Psilocybin and Openness

[DrSketchpad]

I don't really have much to say on this, but I thought I'd drop this here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21956378

"Consistent with participant claims of hallucinogen-occasioned increases in aesthetic appreciation, imagination, and creativity, we found significant increases in Openness following a high-dose psilocybin session. In participants who had mystical experiences during their psilocybin session, Openness remained significantly higher than baseline more than 1 year after the session."

EDIT:

Complete link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3537171/

 

[nanook]

"high-dose" though

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I guess that depends how high of a dose a "high-dose" is, nanook.

To my mind "high dose" seems more like a "definitely tripping" dose than a "too many shrooms for you" dose.

 

[Sinny91]

Next on my to do list.
Well I dunno, acid might come first.
I need less pussified friends.

 

[groovytaxi98]

Ughhhh I could be taking advantage of these delicious effects if I actually took the time to plan through the whole procedures for my Shrooms garden-closet. Though it wasn't my fault, I noticed one of the bags of rye I bought started molding even before I inoculated them, so the whole thing was bound to end in failure.

edit: and now that I've searched through my desk for the paper I used to calculate my expected profit... I realized that if the whole thing worked I could have grown at least $3000 worth of shrooms from the ~$120 I spent on the materials... which I now have to make up for through sex camming. Or something.

 

[Brontosaurie]

which I now have to make up for through sex camming. Or something.

Is there any market for males in this?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Is there any market for males in this?

Actually yes


...or so I've heard

 

[Yellow]

This would explain a lot. 'Shrooms were my drug of choice in my ill-spent youth. There was no such thing as "too much" when it came to certain species.

It's a wonder I came out of that phase with my mental capacities intact

 

[groovytaxi98]

Is there any market for males in this?

Sure, just dress up in some very feminine and naughty lingerie... just enough to disguise the fact that you are a male. It seems females with penises are quite the rage these days anyways.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Sure, just dress up in some very feminine and naughty lingerie... just enough to disguise the fact that you are a male. It seems females with penises are quite the rage these days anyways.

And you get the job through networking? Or connecting to some distributor?

 

[groovytaxi98]

And you get the job through networking? Or connecting to some distributor?

Hmm no idea, haven't started. :P


Yes, it's probably easier to just join a sex cam hosting website and earn money from tips given by the viewers watching. Or if not live, you could just make videos and upload them to homemade porn sharing sites and get paid per view or something. It might also be fun to dedicate an entire website just to your own videos which you sell as a product lol... though you'd need to have a pretty dedicated fanbase or fill some niche not yet taken advantage of.

 

[kfm]

On shrooms, I always have a phase were I emotionally rethink the past about humans I met in life and wonder how I could be such a cold-faced guy in that situation, while a simple smile or some nice words e.g. could have eased the whole situation for anybody involved.

I often have also the feel just to go out and run around near a canal with some nature, grass, trees etc. to feel the freedom we have in our life, but often don't act on it.

Also, the days after, I feel more connected to the world itself. Casually at work I feel like a zombie, 60 % awake, while still maintaing complex situations in a fast manner (part time job of driving pallets like the other 20 people on small gate ways).

Mostly, I laugh my ass off on trips, but they always contain some very serious moments too. Once I ended up for hours google-imaging pictures of shellshocked soldiers, because I feel a deep relation to them, their whole face expression and body language. Probably because of my own depressive mood, which always blends through.

During a trip, I always write down lots of ideas, because everything makes so much sense then, you experience the value of life and I am so motivated to improve my life with clear plans. But when the trip calms down, I just become detached again. So I have those .txt-files with really good ideas which could improve my poor mans life extraordinary, but for some reason I often just don't care nonetheless.

Looking in a mirror and focusing on yourself, you see all the faces you have, the funny ones, the sad ones, the nice ones, the ugly ones.

Mushrooms evolved my Co-Pilot function, Extraverted iNtuition. As we all should know, Ne is very important for a balanced INTP to become more happy with life. Mushrooms definitly can help.

Drugs are tools, use them wisely to improve yourself.

You can buy Growboxes from dutch internet shops (implying you life in Europe, USA is forbidden to import them IIRC) like Zamnesia or Azarius. You can also start growing mushrooms yourself, it is a very nice hobby, which is teaching you alot.

My choice is always the Golden Teacher strain, put like 1 to 1.5g dry in tea for a small trip (e.g. face morphing, but not on Mars), let them soak a while, chew them nicely and then eat (and drink tea to end of course). Before I had Cubensis B+, but they are crap compared to Golden Teacher.

Maybe start with a bit less mushrooms to get some feeling for your brain on psilocybin first, because some people are just way more sensitive to it and e.g. 1 gram might go much stronger than expected. There are too many unknown variables (plants + digestion + brain).

 

[nanook]

Influencing attitudes, such as philosophical appreciation of being alive, is easy, a moderate dose of any entheogen will do the job. The change would show up in a psychological questionnaire, so i wonder how they have tested for openness.

But influencing openness as a solid behavior requires a change of feeling, a loss of anxiety. And i believe this takes complete and prolonged ego death, in other words very fucking high doses. Since feelings are so much deeper, in terms of conditioning.

New positive and functional thoughts can be learned and patched on top of old self-deprecating thoughts, but feelings can't be patched, they need to be healed at the core.

Whenever i take entheogens, i try to linger near the boundary to ego death in the hopes of drifting back and forth in a gentle way, such as when crossing the gab between breathing out and in.

After all it's the resistance, the fear, that creates separation in the first place, so if there is less fear, there is less distance and the transition is gentle, almost meaningless. But resistance evokes all the meanings, the false ideas of how much will be lost, when I is lost, the delusion that everything depends on I.

So i often take only half of what is considered a full dose.

I have gently tapped into nonduality once, for moments of fearlessness. I have also been trapped, egoically struggling against the icy grip of death for hours.

And behavior was, in my personal experience, not jet sufficiently opened up. Significantly perhaps, but not sufficiently. To simply face life.

I like to say i am too weak to live, too stubborn to die.

Weak as a soul in the sense of being intimidated/impressed too easily.

To avoid the thought that i am simply a coward about dosing i tell myself, that i try to avoid a psychosis.

Not everyone can handle complete prolonged ego loss well.... or so they say. Illuminati Mind control. Just kidding, haha.

 

[DrSketchpad]

@nanook

"Influencing attitudes, such as philosophical appreciation of being alive, is easy, a moderate dose of any entheogen will do the job. The change would show up in a psychological questionnaire, so i wonder how they have tested for openness."

Hrmm... I'll have to look closer at the article. That is a good point.

"And behavior was, in my personal experience, not jet sufficiently opened up. Significantly perhaps, but not sufficiently. To simply face life."

Have you came into meaningful introspection even if it didn't effect your behavior sufficiently?

 

[nanook]

meaningful introspection ... what should i count in as meaningful?

only one of my entheogenic experiences was with a type of shroom, so i will only comment on that. the experience was mostly lingering around ego death, extremely weird and difficult to remember, hard to interpret impressionism.

one aspect that stood out as meaningful to my personal life (as opposed to the general human condition) was some insight about how i am entangled with my mother, ... my question was, whether i am allowed to leave my parents alone and start my own life and the answer was, that i had to stay around until she dies and that this would take about a decade ... that answer came to me like a commandment from the heavenz ab0ve, jesus fucking christ, and i had to obey it in the following years (resentfully, i had hoped for the opposite message, i hoped the drug would set me free), i am still caught in that dream loop ... the thing is, i fear it's all delusion of course (modern people just don't want to believe that kids might have responsibility for their parents, plus we say that the super ego commandments are just arbitrary ideas that should be hacked at the will of ego) and so i wonder: instead or reinforcing it, a higher dose (that would have wiped my ego out more completely) might have caused the dissolution of this commandment. or not! perhaps the opposite is true ... a higher dose might also have rendered me even more wholeheartedly accepting of my destiny and duty to my family.

this is really a subject about which i would require therapy badly, but it's not possible to find a competent therapist, who understands things like this from an integral perspective ...

we like to think that openness is simple: just a matter of how much you try to manipulate and control or how much you worry about what other people think of you. as if openness means we become a selfish party animal.

i guess mdma might create that impression, when used as a party drug.

but it runs much deeper as seen here. into questions like: is this even my own life and what is my mission? openness must also be openness to the truth, whether that implies responsibilities or other scary concepts.