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I knew it. This is an ESFJ forum. I VE BEEN TRICKED ! GAHH !! We are XSFJs thinking we are INTPs !!! NOOOOO
 

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F's are dumb. T's are smart.

no actually that's a bit shallow. okay F's use feeling to JUDGE, T's use thinking to JUDGE.

vary vague actually. whatever, doesn't matter what proxy is, i think his rather a lively character on this forum.
 

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PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
I am not sure about the E, but I am almost positive you are an F (N and P are givens.) Why do you think you aren't one?
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Because I'm cynical. I get angry with people who whine and cry. I don't try to soothe them, I can't. My little brother who's 8 he's very "F'ey" and cries a lot. Last time he started crying, because our grandmother died. I couldn't give him a hug. It made me feel unformfortable and awkward. It even kind of disgusted me in a way. Not that I don't hug people. But just the whole "hug and cry" thing.
That.. And because I'm answer all my questions and solve all my problems through logic and not what I "prefer"

EDIT: Also. I'm getting the feeling that you think I'm an F because you are one and because there was a topic we agreed a lot on when we "PM'ed"
I do that myself. I see common opinions, attitudes and interests in someone and I am inclined to think we are of a similar type. (not necessarily the exact same. Just similar)

Now... Why do you think I'm E? Because I have lots of questions and lots of things to say? As far as I understood, the amount of speech is not what decides E/I. And why do you think I'm F? I'm really curious about this one!
 

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Oh, and i'm not sure typology is even considered real psychology, and it maybe a big part of the nonsense in your life, as much as you claim awareness of it limitations, you clearly ignore them in your conduct, real insight comes from introspection and observations of tendencies and patterns, i suppose its a wonderful idea to pretend we can read what peoples lives revolves around from premature interaction, in the end, you would eventually impose your models on them and label them without actually understanding the motive behind their behavior.
so scream rare INTJ as much as you want, your a much more common than you think, and your ability to grasp new concepts is i suppose average. now dilute these thought into that slow processing cognition of yours without deteriorating that artificial value system. defence mechanisms would probably do the job.
 

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Oh, and i'm not sure typology is even considered real psychology, and it maybe a big part of the nonsense in your life, as much as you claim awareness of it limitations, you clearly ignore them in your conduct, real insight comes from introspection and observations of tendencies and patterns, i suppose its a wonderful idea to pretend we can read what peoples lives revolves around from premature interaction, in the end, you would eventually impose your models on them and label them without actually understanding the motive behind their behavior.
so scream rare INTJ as much as you want, your a much more common than you think, and your ability to grasp new concepts is i suppose average. now dilute these thought into that slow processing cognition of yours without deteriorating that artificial value system. defence mechanisms would probably do the job.
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Is this adressed to me? I've never mentioned me or anyone else being INTJ. I don't think me (or anyone else) has claimed that MBTI is 'real psychology' whatever that means. I think all psychological theories are up for debate. So they are all equally real and/or 'unreal'
 

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Lobstrich is ESFp. He thinks he's INTp because that's his socionics dual and thus his idealised type form, to the point of effectively adopting it himself to become his own other.
 

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Is this adressed to me? I've never mentioned me or anyone else being INTJ. I don't think me (or anyone else) has claimed that MBTI is 'real psychology' whatever that means. I think all psychological theories are up for debate. So they are all equally real and/or 'unreal'
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Okay play dumb. just shows how desperate your chess moves are becoming.
 

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Okay play dumb. just shows how desperate your chess moves are becoming.
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I absolutely love this quote and I will love it erryday.
 

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This all sounds a bit personal.

Is this forum the best platform for this?
 

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Lobstrich said:
Because I'm cynical. I get angry with people who whine and cry. I don't try to soothe them, I can't. My little brother who's 8 he's very "F'ey" and cries a lot. Last time he started crying, because our grandmother died. I couldn't give him a hug. It made me feel unformfortable and awkward. It even kind of disgusted me in a way. Not that I don't hug people. But just the whole "hug and cry" thing.
That.. And because I'm answer all my questions and solve all my problems through logic and not what I "prefer"

EDIT: Also. I'm getting the feeling that you think I'm an F because you are one and because there was a topic we agreed a lot on when we "PM'ed"
I do that myself. I see common opinions, attitudes and interests in someone and I am inclined to think we are of a similar type. (not necessarily the exact same. Just similar)

Now... Why do you think I'm E? Because I have lots of questions and lots of things to say? As far as I understood, the amount of speech is not what decides E/I. And why do you think I'm F? I'm really curious about this one!
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The most convincing piece of evidence I have of you being an F is your picture. T's rarely look so warm or compassionate. Adymus made a thread earlier about judging the strength of the feeling function based on the extent of a person's smile, and while I am not sure this method would always work, it supports my theory in this case.

Another reason is how well you seem to discern the motivations of people, and decide if they are genuine or not; this is indicative of you being an NF.

Not all F's are touchy-feely; that is such a stereotype. Even as an F, I am not a particularly empathetic or sympathetic person (I can be, but do not act this way toward the majority of others) and I hate blatant, saccharine displays of emotion because they seem so forced and artificial.

I am not sure if this applies to you, but traumatic situations can definitely make someone appear T when they cause one to adopt the T persona as a self-defense mechanism to appear less fragile or vulnerable. In addition, it is not too uncommon for people to utilize functions that are not one of the top four functions of their type according to the Jungian cognitive function model. For instance, I have very strong Ti, which initially led me to believe I was an INTP. I am very logical and possess traits that are typically considered "left-brained", but still consider myself an INFP because of my general temperament.

I think you are an E because your dominant function appears to be either Ne or Fe. The way you express yourself more naturally in person with the aid of body language supports this categorization.

I take back my certainty about your N and P preferences. I am not positive about these, as I've noticed contradictory tendencies in your posts, but would still go with ENFP if I were to type you at this point.
 

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Are you being sarcastic? Because I can't really tell.. If you are; Lol. If you're not; Lol!
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Oh no, I'm being very serious.

As an innate ENFP, due to a high valuing of T dominance have attempted to turn their Tep into a dominant, which means either going to Tip or Tej, and N adjusting accordingly (if Ne devaluing also takes place, then Sip/Sej will be promoted too).

So Ne - Fi -> (T) Ne Fi -> Ti - Ne

I'm super cereal guys, why won't you believe me. I see those dancing eyes.
 

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PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
The most convincing piece of evidence I have of you being an F is your picture. T's rarely look so warm or compassionate. Adymus made a thread earlier about judging the strength of the feeling function based on the extent of a person's smile, and while I am not sure this method would always work, it supports my theory in this case.
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Go away Pod'Lair.. Please.
Besides, it was a lucky picture, really. It's like 4 years old and it is 4 years old because I'm not very photogenic. I remember I took at least 50 pictures until I got that one I have, which I'm still not "satisfied" with.

"Ts rarely look so warm or compassionate" This makes no sense to me. Physiology has nothing to do with psychology if you ask me. I do not believe that you can judge if a person is systematical or not by look at how he smiles. Pod'Lair is a joke if you ask me. But that's another topic.

PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
Another reason is how well you seem to discern the motivations of people, and decide if they are genuine or not; this is indicative of you being an NF.
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By this logic you simply cannot decide wether people are genuine or not if you're a T. Nobody is 100% anything. I'm not 100% T so therefore I have some F, like any other "T person" and what my percentage of F gives me. Is this.

PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
Not all F's are touchy-feely; that is such a stereotype. Even as an F, I am not a particularly empathetic or sympathetic person (I can be, but do not act this way toward the majority of others) and I hate blatant, saccharine displays of emotion because they seem so forced and artificial.
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I never said all F's are. But the fact that most peoples feelings either annoy or disgust me. That I've never told my brother(8yo)/sister(23yo) that I love them or my mother since I was about 8.

PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
I am not sure if this applies to you, but traumatic situations can definitely make someone appear T when they cause one to adopt the T persona as a self-defense mechanism to appear less fragile or vulnerable. In addition, it is not too uncommon for people to utilize functions that are not one of the top four functions of their type according to the Jungian cognitive function model. For instance, I have very strong Ti, which initially led me to believe I was an INTP. I am very logical and possess traits that are typically considered "left-brained", but still consider myself an INFP because of my general temperament.
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I've nevr considered what I've been through to be traumatic. Just saying "what I've been through" Makes me feel like an ass.
And like you said yourself. You consider yourself INFP. I consider myself INTP.

PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
I think you are an E because your dominant function appears to be either Ne or Fe. The way you express yourself more naturally in person with the aid of body language supports this categorization.
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I never got into the whole "Ne" "Fe" "Ti" etc. so I can't reply to this. And I don't agree that prefering to speak in front of each other and not on a forum is a sign of being "E"

PhoenixofVindemiatrix said:
I take back my certainty about your N and P preferences. I am not positive about these, as I've noticed contradictory tendencies in your posts, but would still go with ENFP if I were to type you at this point.
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And I'd continue to see myself as an INTP as that is what the test I took, said.


I respect your opinion and will not tell you to stop believing what you want. It'd be cool if you saved typing me as ENFP till after we've talked more than 45 minutes in total though. And if your most convincing arguement was not supported by Pod'Lair; How I look..
I just cannot see what you're saying as I don't think your arguements are not strong enough and one (my picture) I simply don't see as valid. I see it like "The allies won WW2 because they found an epic axe from a boss, it could shoot lightning and they won" That is; like a joke. No offense though. I just simply don't believe in the whole Pod'Lair thing.
 

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Oh no, I'm being very serious.

As an innate ENFP, due to a high valuing of T dominance have attempted to turn their Tep into a dominant, which means either going to Tip or Tej, and N adjusting accordingly (if Ne devaluing also takes place, then Sip/Sej will be promoted too).

So Ne - Fi -> (T) Ne Fi -> Ti - Ne

I'm super cereal guys, why won't you believe me. I see those dancing eyes.
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I still can't tell. Except for the last part, which tells a bit. But the first part makes me go back from "yep, sarcasm" To "can't tell" :confused:

People have to understand that a thing such as sarcasm needs signs to be understood. In the "real world" those signs are tone of voice, body languge or your facial expression.

On forums those signs could be exaggerated typing, smilies or just plain out ridiculousness. It's of course subjective what is ridiculous but I think we can all agree that "TROLOLOL I JUST SOLD MY HORSE SO I KNOW A LOT OF MBTI I TYPE YOU INIFWINF" Is not serious.
 

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Lobstrich said:
People have to understand that a thing such as sarcasm needs signs to be understood. In the "real world" those signs are tone of voice, body languge or your facial expression. On forums those signs could be exaggerated typing, smilies or just plain out ridiculousness.
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And how the hell would this be fun for me?
 

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If it helps, i agree with Food being ENFP.
f(experience).
 

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"F's are dumb", I shall remember this day Alrai. Watch your steps ;)
 

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@Lobstrich: The photo was what first made me suspect you were an F, but the way you speak in all your posts confirms this fact beyond a doubt. Most of your claims are founded in your beliefs and values. Just read them, and notice how often you say something along the lines of, "I believe this" or "This is morally wrong" or "I see it this way".

There is no reason Fs can't as logical as Ts; they just use different evidence to support their claims.
 
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