Pmj's TWG/Mafia

[QuickTwist]

The time stamp in my original QT should put a whole in your theory.

I was locked and loaded on the pair of you, INDEPENDENTLY.

Moron. 

PMJ never once confirmed anything for me. Deal with it, you sore fucking looser.

You remind me of a politician right now.

 

[Sinny91]

I don't talk about people behind their back.. Pretty sure everyone here can attest to that.

OR WHAT?

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

chaooossssss

CHaaSOOOSOOSSSSSS

CHHHAAAAAAOOOOOOOOSSSSSSS



RUN FOR YOUR LIFE THEY'RE EATING PEOPLE!!!! AHHHH!H!!!!!!!!

 

[Sinny91]

You remind me of a politician right now.

And you remind me of a baby spitting out their dummy.

 

[QuickTwist]

OR WHAT?

There is no or what. Will get back to you in a calm manner in my next post.

 

[Helvete]

no idea why I'm still awake watching this shit when it's 4.30am and I'm struggling to stay awake lol

Have fun all!

 

[QuickTwist]

And you remind me of a baby spitting out their dummy.

Why did you vig rb over me?

I am the realest person you will meet.

 

[Sinny91]

OR WHAT?

EWOB - SO WHAT?

 

[Sinny91]

Why did you vig rb over me?

I am the realest person you will meet.

Because whilst you both looked scummy as fuck to me, I thought I'd have a harder time convincing the rest of Town that RB was scum.. and in addition, I presumed that he would be leading the scum team.

Which I still don't know yet, because I've still not read the QTs yet.

 

[QuickTwist]

EWOB - SO WHAT?

Politicians are corrupt and the Scum of the earth. People who want power just fuck it up for everyone else.

 

[QuickTwist]

Because whilst you both looked scummy as fuck to me, I thought I'd have a harder time convincing the rest of Town that RB was scum.. and in addition, I presumed that he would be leading the scum team.

Which I still don't know yet, because I've still not read the QTs yet.

Go ahead, read it. I'm not going to take full credit.

 

[PmjPmj]

Sincerely, I didn't confirm a darn thing.

I can't honestly claim that I wasn't encouraging Sinny to take the shot, but that was simply due to the fact that I wanted more chaos

 

[Jennywocky]

With the Cheese standing alone:

Reading the Wolf thread, after RB took a face shot and QT got pitched over the cliff, I was reminded of this Kitty Pryde ripoff of the old Wolverine X-men cover:

Go Cheese!

 

[Sinny91]

Just finished the spec thread.

Firstly, thank you Yellow for coming to the rescue... I was mourning you on the inside.

Secondly, Jenny, no offense was intended.. But I couldn't think of how the concept was supposed to be worded, and so I had to make do with my own rather poor definition of 'pulling the emotional sob story card' . I did state that my description lacked finesse.. and it was only named after you because I've only ever played INTPf mafia - and you were the only person to deliberately use that tactic in a calculated manner.

Thirdly, why is that no matter what I do, or what results I get my HATERS always have to resort to "Sinny got lucky, Sinny just OMGUSs everyone" "Sinny obviously got help" "Sinny was pivvy to information we wasn't"

Grow some fucking balls and admit your own short comings. you fuckin fags.

And also, what a fucking over sight on my behalf with the "packing" comment; I'm sure I remember thinking that I should have removed that - but I didn't evidently. Lol, I'm a douche... But at least I can admit it.

I also think RB and QT delibertaly shat on PMJs game. Real poor sportsmanship.

You can say what you want about me and my little angry flare ups, but at least I'm as straight as they come and I'm not a fucking little weasel.

"Ohh but I'm the most experienced player, I'm playing seven games at once - I know everything - my mistakes aren't mistakes you guys are just too dumb to understand, I know this to be the case because my mommy tells me so"

Like really, are you even a man or just a sad excuse for one?

Heck, if all my results are down to luck, I must be the luckiest mofo to grace this forums games.

 

[smithcommajohn]

You have good intuition, Sinny. Your flip from Cheese to Cheeseumpuffs was your only flaw that game.

 

[Sinny91]

You have good intuition, Sinny. Your flip from Cheese to Cheeseumpuffs was your only flaw that game.

Yea, I am really annoyed with myself about that - Cheese's gambit got me good.

Otherwise I would have pinned all three mafia.

Must be the luck of the Irish

 

[QuickTwist]

Just finished the spec thread.

Firstly, thank you Yellow for coming to the rescue... I was mourning you on the inside.

Secondly, Jenny, no offense was intended.. But I couldn't think of how the concept was supposed to be worded, and so I had to make do with my own rather poor definition of 'pulling the emotional sob story card' . I did state that my description lacked finesse.. and it was only named after you because I've only ever played INTPf mafia - and you were the only person to deliberately use that tactic in a calculated manner.

Thirdly, why is that not matter what I do, or what results I get my HATERS always have to resort to "Sinny got lucky, Sinny just OMGUSs everyone" "Sinny obviously got help" "Sinny was pivvy to information we wasn't"

Grow some fucking balls and admit your own short comings. you fuckin fags.

And also, what a fucking over sight on my behalf with the "packing" comment; I'm sure I remember thinking that I should have removed that - but I didn't evidently. Lol, I'm a douche... But at least I can admit it.

I also think RB and QT delibertaly shat on PMJs game. Real poor sportsmanship.

You can say what you want about me and my little angry flare ups, but at least I'm as straight as they come and I'm not a fucking little weasel.

"Ohh but I'm the most experienced player, I'm playing seven games at once - I know everything - my mistakes aren't mistakes you guys are just too dumb to understand, I know this to be the case because my mommy tells me so"

Like really, are you even a man or just a sad excuse for one?

Heck, if all my results are down to luck, I must be the luckiest mofo to grace this forums games.

Sinny,

I understand your need for dominance, but this game is NOT balanced.

yeah, I made some mistakes, here are some:

I didn't listen to cheese when he said not to go after you. That said. Cheese actually stopped me from making a case on you because he made a post that talked about me pushing you too hard, so I decided to ask you instead "Sinny, did you or did you not read through rb games." I was going to push the lie till the cows came home, but Cheese helped me to see that that prolly wasn't the best idea I could have done.
I got over emotional in my last posts (at least what I was thinking in my head).
I didn't provide a good enough case against Yellow.
I didn't play up any sort of Towniness. That said, what I did say was NAI, but you would have to read through most of my games to know that.

That said, there were plenty of things that didn't go my way, which I will not talk about at this point in time.

That said, I do NOT have a burden of proficiency in my game. I am not nearly accurate enough in my reads for that to be so. I DO however, have a pretty decent winrate as Town. I know you didn't even bother to look at my Wiki, but I have 2/8 games won as Scum and 20/33 games won as Town. I am NOT a great player. I don't make great cases on Scum and am lynchbait, but I still win nonetheless.

 

[Fukyo]

Sinny, stop taking a crap on other players. You've been plenty aggressive in this thread and I think its about time you put a cap on your colorful language and "I'm so tough" boasting with whomever is criticizing you.

On another note, RB was absolutely correct about you thinking anyone who tunnels you is scum. You put too much ego in this game and start dialing up the hostility to your opponents as though they're personal enemies you have to suppress for the sake of ego.He also does have experience in the game and you making fun of that doesn't change it. Nobody has been sabotaging the game, I've seen the spec thread and that's a ridiculous accusation to make. This time around Town had much more advantage going for it and they still lost. That's because we kinda suck at this game(not that it makes it less fun).

Bottom line, if you're bothered by what people said about you in the spec thread, take it there.

 

[Sinny91]

What I got up to with my PM abilities:

Spoiler

Was just asking people for help really, and being mislead by cheese.

Spoiler

 

[Sinny91]

Sinny, stop taking a crap on other players. You've been plenty aggressive in this thread and I think its about time you put a cap on your colorful language and "I'm so tough" boasting with whomever is criticizing you.

On another note, RB was absolutely correct about you thinking anyone who tunnels you is scum. You put too much ego in this game and start dialing up the hostility to your opponents as though they're personal enemies you have to suppress for the sake of ego.He also does have experience in the game and you making fun of that doesn't change it. Nobody has been sabotaging the game, I've seen the spec thread and that's a ridiculous accusation to make. This time around Town had much more advantage going for it and they still lost. That's because we kinda suck at this game(not that it makes it less fun).

Bottom line, if you're bothered by what people said about you in the spec thread, take it there.

Duly noted Mrs Alpha.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Grow some fucking balls and admit your own short comings. you fuckin fags.

Can you actually display some humility yourself?

I don't have to look far back to find instances when you couldn't accept my criticism of your town play as you went pretty blindly against my own and others' evaluations.

Sure, there are annoying or insensitive people who might be rubbing you the wrong way, but can you be of clear conscience that you don't have times when you act the exact same way?

 

[Sinny91]

Can you actually display some humility yourself?

I don't have to look far back to find instances when you couldn't accept my criticism of your town play as you went pretty blindly against my own and others evaluations.

Sure, there are fags or insensitive people who might be annoying, but can you be of clear conscience that you don't have times when you act the exact same way?

Please for the love god, don't make me introspect. It hurts.

Haha ahh.

Spoiler

Why do you two always tag team me at the same time? Could be that Blars diplomacy attempts to balance out Fukyos aggression? Hmm dumm.

Spoiler

But seriously, I don't experience remorse.

 

[QuickTwist]

What I got up to with my PM abilities:

Spoiler

Was just asking people for help really, and being mislead by cheese.

Spoiler

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Please for the love god, don't make me introspect. It hurts.

Haha ahh.

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Why do you two always tag team me at the same time? Could be that Blars diplomacy attempts to balance out Fukyos aggression? Hmm dumm.

I see, you were having a personal kind of meltdown, that just happened to be on a public forum and by chance happened to indirectly indict a few bad people of doing not-nice-things.

I think Fukyo was a bit too harsh, but you can't expect everyone to adjust to your personal "needs". You probably notice that you have issues with people who treat you roughly and don't go according to your preferences, why is it so difficult to understand that you're doing the same thing to them.

TBH, you should be grateful that people hit you in the face and don't play around because it means they didn't yet get tired of treating you like a normal person. Unless you want to live in some pink candy kingdom sort of reality where everyone pleases you, at least respect their natural respect for your existence.

If only everyone had the patience and willingness to meet half-way, duh, that would be boring.

You know the good/bad cop cliche , it's irrelevant and you can ignore it. You are seeing patterns where there are none .

 

[Sinny91]

"at least respect their natural respect for your existence"

I don't even know what this means.

 

[redbaron]

Tbh this game was even stated by Pmj to meant to be for shits and giggles so why even mad for?

Just realised, Sinny doesn't just have an OMGUS mafia game, her entire life is just an endless cycle of OMGUS

 

[Sinny91]

Tbh this game was even stated by Pmj to meant to be for shits and giggles so why even mad for?

Just realised, Sinny doesn't just have an OMGUS mafia game, her entire life is just an endless cycle of OMGUS

Redmaggot, that's the best you got?

Come on dude, no wonder I'm always left dissatisfied.

 

[redbaron]

Case in point.

 

[Sinny91]

Case in point.

I'm reactive... Ergo, I react.

Annddd the world goes round.

 

[Fukyo]

I wasn't intending to be aggressive.

No, this wasn't a coordinated effort. I reacted because I thought your expletive filled and mocking communication with QT, then taking a dig at RB has crossed a line a while ago.

Just an observation: You seem to turn everything into a struggle and overreach when asserting yourself.

 

[redbaron]

Nice of you to admit I'm completely right.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Wow, this went from fun to boring/annoying really fast.

 

[cheese]

Shame that everyone wants to kill me next game/will never trust me again. Someone warned me this'd happen if I made it through.

It really was by the skin of my teeth though. Also I can't weigh up how much the Treestump gambit was necessary for changing the tide compared to the self-sacrifice. I imagine they both played a role, but I'd never even heard of Treestump till QT mentioned it (after he was dead too ). So probably wouldn't have gotten through without his suggestion to use it.

TRUST ME AGAIN PLEASE! I...I DIDN'T MEAN ANY OF IT!

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Shame that everyone wants to kill me next game/will never trust me again. Someone warned me this'd happen if I made it through.

It really was by the skin of my teeth though. Also I can't weigh up how much the Treestump gambit was necessary for changing the tide compared to the self-sacrifice. I imagine they both played a role, but I'd never even heard of Treestump till QT mentioned it (after he was dead too ). So probably wouldn't have gotten through without his suggestion to use it.

TRUST ME AGAIN PLEASE! I...I DIDN'T MEAN ANY OF IT!

The treestump thing made me want to kill you more.

Too bad I'd mentally clocked out of the game by that point.

 

[cheese]

Aw, I thought you wanted to kill Helvete.

Bros before helvs, man.

 

[The Gopher]

Shame that everyone wants to kill me next game/will never trust me again. Someone warned me this'd happen if I made it through.

Well people could instead... not trust anyone who claims treestump.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Aw, I thought you wanted to kill Helvete.

Bros before helvs, man.

Yeah, he was still my first choice, but you were never completely off the table for me and by that point in the day being able to get a helv lynch wasn't going to happen, so you were pretty much my only option.

You can kind of see the thought process behind it in my option tree I made for switching my vote to you in the first place. It would have been a different process if I'd updated my options to account for your claim, but it still would have ended up with a conclusion of "lynch cheese. if that doesn't work out, I have 24 hours to get Smithjohn to lynch Helv"

 

[cheese]

Ah, I see. You had no suspicion towards smithcommajohn? Dammit. Yeah, I decided to aim to take Helv and smith through with me to the next day, because Helv thought I was towny and iirc thought smith was off, so he'd be more likely to vote with me.

Gopher, hopefully it's just that. It's just not what they said.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I was a very strong defender of the (no CC)=(minu is blue) relationship which, again, is a fucking fact. If there was any implication that I was wholly on board minu with no reservations then those were unintentional.















Oh hello, Mr. Pot. I didn't know you were in town for the kettle convention.



I town read you the same way I've started out making all my reads. Intuition.

Minu's claim changed everything about the game, from my perspective. My number one suspect was blue and someone I thought was town was red. Clearly my approach was not working. Reevaluation had to be done. When I made my case against minuend and went through her filter I also skimmed through yours and cheese's (such as his was). I found myself disappointed with the fact that your post history wasn't really noticeably any better (arguably worse) than I found hers to be. I did some mental gymnastics at the time and tried to zero in on her. But her claim threw all of my previous thoughts out the window.



Messages:

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His first PM in response to my post about Minu not being the night kill if either she was lying or if scum wanted to make her look like a liar:


My response


His response:


My response:

oops, just realized I didn't respond to most of the things I quoted here.

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1-Vote cheese. gives 3 votes to cheese and 1 on me. Cheese presumably swings to me. 3-2. I don't think Sinny or smithjohn pull of cheese. (Maybe smithy?, he seems easily influenced)
1a-cheese is red. yay we win.
1b-cheese is green. I am 99% certain helv is red. Presumably sinny dies. Me, smithjohn and helv left. Can I convince johnny that I'm the town and helv isn't? Unknown.
2-stick to helv. gives 2cheese, 1 me, 1helv. Cheese probably doesn't want to die so he votes helv(? more likely than voting me). Forces a no lynch either way
2a-no lynch sticks. Sinny probably dies. Even more bickering and wifoming between the three of us while smithjohn hops around without sinny to guide him.
2b-someone decides to counter the no lynch.
2bi-smithjohn swings to helv
2bi1-helv green. cheese is most likely wolf. I am in big trouble, though.
2bi2-helv red. yay we win.
2bii-sinny swings to helv
lol yeah right sinny isn't doing that.
2biii-helv swings to cheese (unlikely)
2biii1-cheese is green. Helv is likely wolf. Not next on sinny's pecking order, which means not next on smith's pecking order. Which means I am dead and helv wins.
2biii2-cheese is red. Yay we win.
2biv-I swing to cheese
see option 1
2bv-cheese does nothing because he can't swing to himself
see option 2a.

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obviously, all the shenanigans surrounding a no lynch are less optimal than lynching cheese. Although, the thought did cross my mind that I should draw out the voting process some more and see if Helv flips to cheese. Scum Helv wants town blood, he doesn't give a shit who it is, and besides, he thinks he can skew a cheese mislynch to make me look scummy. I abandoned that thought, though, because it felt too convoluted.

ohmygodIwanttofuckingdie.
I just skimmed through most of Helvete's posts starting at day 2 and I'm actually starting to think he might be town

That said, if cheese's claim is true, my only options are him or smithjohn and smithjohn's done a wonderful job of making me think he's just a useless n00b player. I almost want you guys to kill me now so we can get this over with and I can stop devolving further into madness (my notes QT has at this point just become a space for me to tell myself how much I fucking suck at this game). BUT, if I have you guys put me out of my misery, then we don't get to see if cheese's claim is true which means we're left in the last day with three people who I cannot in good conscience trust at this point which would by wildly irresponsible.

These two posts kind of sum up my thoughts on the matter.

Basically, the treestump claim is useless without confirmation. It's not the kind of thing someone can CC against. And the only way to get confirmation is by killing the claimer for that one. In a mylo or lylo situation I wouldn't have risked it, but seeing as we only went to 2v1 on a mislynch of you, it was worth the risk to off you anyway (Edit: especially if the alternative was to have a 2-2 vote tie. I much rather would have mislynched you than get a no lynch. Letting sinny die in the night and leaving the four of us alone for a day would have been the absolute worst situation, for me. pmj really would have been "disturbed" by my notes if that had happened).

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Ah, I see. You had no suspicion towards smithcommajohn? Dammit. Yeah, I decided to aim to take Helv and smith through with me to the next day, because Helv thought I was towny and iirc thought smith was off, so he'd be more likely to vote with me.

Gopher, hopefully it's just that. It's just not what they said.

It wasn't that I didn't have any doubt about Smith,john (I always have doubt about everything), but by that point it was completely dwarfed by the doubt I had about you other two. He'd acted too n00bish for it to even be a wolf ploy, imo.

If the last day had ended with you me and smith my doubts about him would probably have increased, but I still probably would've gone after you.

 

[QuickTwist]

Do you all want to hear about MY accomplishments now?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7179386#p7179386

 

[Jennywocky]

Shame that everyone wants to kill me next game/will never trust me again. Someone warned me this'd happen if I made it through.

It's okay, we're in the same boat.

So if you and I ever play in the same game, you have a 50% chance to make it to Day 2.

 

[cheese]

Basically, the treestump claim is useless without confirmation. It's not the kind of thing someone can CC against. And the only way to get confirmation is by killing the claimer for that one. In a mylo or lylo situation I wouldn't have risked it, but seeing as we only went to 2v1 on a mislynch of you, it was worth the risk to off you anyway (Edit: especially if the alternative was to have a 2-2 vote tie. I much rather would have mislynched you than get a no lynch. Letting sinny die in the night and leaving the four of us alone for a day would have been the absolute worst situation, for me. pmj really would have been "disturbed" by my notes if that had happened).

Good thoughts. Yeah, it's a bullshit and useless claim, and you and sinny were the only confirmed town from your POV. Eliminating one of the other potential scum made sense. Makes the probability of lynching right the next day higher anyway.

 

[cheese]

Yeah Jenny. I'll *share* the door with you on the ocean. I promise.

QT wtf was that? I can't believe people bought that!

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Good thoughts. Yeah, it's a bullshit and useless claim, and you and sinny were the only confirmed town from your POV. Eliminating one of the other potential scum made sense. Makes the probability of lynching right the next day higher anyway.

Yeah, exactly. Starting from Minu's claim I started trying to play a game more of elimination as opposed to suspicion.

I knew I was town. I knew Sinny was town. I felt johnnyboy was a fairly safe town bet. That left you and helv. Helv gave me a worse feeling, but with 2 suspects and 2 potential night cycles it wasn't super imperative for me to get him right away.

And then when I came back this morning I started really second guessing my Helv read and that's when you stumpclaimed so I was more or less equally sus of the two of you, unable to get a helv lynch, and killing you would've resulted in more info.

 

[QuickTwist]

Good thoughts. Yeah, it's a bullshit and useless claim, and you and sinny were the only confirmed town from your POV. Eliminating one of the other potential scum made sense. Makes the probability of lynching right the next day higher anyway.

Sinny was the only confirmed Town???

 

[cheese]

Sinny and Puffs were the only confirmed town from Puffs' POV.

 

[cheese]

Oh and btw the "defensiveness" to Sinny was actually real, not a play at all. I was stressed and trying to be clear from the outset (like in the PMs) that regardless of alignment, the other stuff I had to do came first. That really was RL cheese talking. Can't be expected to be believed in game though.

 

[cheese]

Another clarification:
QT and I didn't want to lynch or NK Sinny because it might've helped confirm me scum (since I was the one who received the PM saying she's Vigilante), and she'd already read QT and RB. As a paranoid power role, Sinny might've set up a PM network as a safety net for identifying scum if she's killed. (Eg if she'd told only me and one other player she's Vigi, her being NK'd should point to me or [not and] that player, since she was already convinced about QT and RB. Even more useful for her if she'd told several other people she's a town role without specifying that she was power, and given every member the list of every other name she'd PM'd. She might've been baiting her own death to narrow down the pool of suspects.) I didn't know if her giving me the info was baiting me, covering for the actual Vigi, mining for info or genuinely asking for help.

It didn't matter if she was entirely reasonable because Town is never entirely reasonable, and if she was NK'd, her words regarding QT/RB would suddenly hold a lot more weight (because that's how people would think regardless of whether it makes the most sense). I thought her death would give her a martyr glow, and people would start thinking of the other games where her intuition has led her right on occasion. Whereas if she was alive for another day, we figured she'd be ignored a little longer despite having pinned 2 out of 3 and that might buy us more time. Plus I'd look more town in her eyes - which was good since the other two were goners for her - if revealing she was a power role to me didn't get her killed.

Her turning out to be a day Vig was problematic since it meant we couldn't stop her killing us by roleblocking her. We weren't told what sort of Vig she was; Pmj decided last minute. Day vigs are rare I think, so it was less likely anyway.

Obviously in a normal game we'd kill her straightaway. The PMs and lack of public information really complicated things. They allow for information to be distributed unequally, meaning subsequent Mafia actions dependent on information can be traced back to their source more quickly than you can where all the information is public.

That she was day Vig, then Min getting a perfect read - on a Wolf, on the first night despite only being a 50/50 Seer - was really unlucky. It almost immediately took out the majority of the scum team which also happened to be the most experienced members.

I don't know if not NKing her was the right move. I had no experience with the complications and potential for traps PMs brought in and didn't have time to think it through.

 

[redbaron]

Tbh QT got off the yellow wagon which I didn't want. I wanted to make a Sinny/Cheeseums/Yellow contest but we didn't organise well. I couldn't unvote sinny because our lynch votes were tied. We could have got vigilante lynched if you voted last minute