Perversity

[Cognisant]

So there I was in Machida walking through the manga section of a bookstore and I'm confronted by imagery that's frankly erotic, so like any supposedly healthy minded person I'm trying not to look as I browse for more tasteful fare like "Black Jack" or "Ghost In The Shell"... well okay I'm trying not to be seen looking. But when I look around I'm intrigued by the total aplomb of the people around me, they couldn't care less about what I'm looking at, or what I see them looking at, to them this blatant perversity (yoai, yuri, and everything else) was mundane. So I just stood there for a bit, mulling it over, untill the truth of it occurred to me in a burst of hilarity, that in fact I was the perverse one.

After some time and coffee I had worked out the sheer hilariously-horrifying extent of my mind's perversity, for y'see to be perverse is to derive sexual connotations from actions/situations/context of a non-sexual nature. Now consider the simple act of holding hands which is something I actively avoid doing (as with almost all human contact) and I'm sure many, if not all of you, would be uncomfortable if I picked up your (still attached ) hand. Lets ask ourselves why this is uncomfortable, is it because I'm hurting you (no), is it because I'm restricting your movement (very unlikely) or is it because I'm encroaching upon your personal space, that is to say I'm not just touching you, that by merely touching your hand I've put you in a intimate situation… are we really so sensitive? If I rubbed the skin on the back of your hand the right way could that be considered an intimate act with sexual connotations?

Of course this is ridiculous, hands are just hands, there’s nothing sexual about holding someone’s hand, but y’see the problem is psychological, to the person who considers (subconsciously) the act of holding hands to be connotative of further intimacy having their hand abruptly seized by another is a lesser form of rape, and here I am seizing up whenever someone hugs me *face palm* not because I’m turned on in any way, instead because on a psychological level I’m being raped.

The same principals apply to my original example, being in the bookstore, where I falsely (subconsciously) perceived the context to be of a sexual nature because of the explicit nature of the imagery around me, but in reality I may as well have been standing in the law history section of a state library. Was the guy next to me going to condemn me for looking at what any healthy young man can’t help but notice, of course not, unless obviously the content contained socially unacceptable messages of a clearly sexist nature, or something like that.

…

Robots, robots, robots.
They don’t feeling being touched, they don’t have subconscious connotations.
I wanted to be a robot, to be freed of cognitive dissonance.

Today I bought a pack of Gundam Condoms, because I thought they were cool.

 

[Cognisant]

I just remembered I arranged for the address of this website to be given to some of the more interesting people I've met lately, and this will probably be the first of my posts they see... well s****.

Oh f*** it my ego's been through worse.

 

[snafupants]

Prurient impulses = preprogrammed to think that way; this is not a copout. No worries, there is always someone else less, just as, and more perverse than you. It was awkward because the latter people were not in the bookstore at the time.

 

[DesertSmeagle]

This world is built upon sex. Just look around its EVERYWHERE. People just dont recognize it. ANd ya you can connect literally connect everything to some kind of perversive remark hhaha..-hes happy because hes watching a naked man pet a dog.-hes confused because he just discovered that females dont have penises.-hes shocked at the massive amount of hair in his mothers vagina.-hes hoping noone cathes him while he makes barbie dolls have sex...We live in a sexual society..Go ahead and go look at that freaky anime porn in the bookstore. You know you want to.

 

[Fukyo]

This world is built upon sex. Just look around its EVERYWHERE. People just dont recognize it. ANd ya you can connect literally connect everything to some kind of perversive remark hhaha..-hes happy because hes watching a naked man pet a dog.-hes confused because he just discovered that females dont have penises.-hes shocked at the massive amount of hair in his mothers vagina.-hes hoping noone cathes him while he makes barbie dolls have sex...We live in a sexual society..Go ahead and go look at that freaky anime porn in the bookstore. You know you want to.

Could you seriously be any more incoherent AND disturbing?

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Could you seriously be any more incoherent AND disturbing?

I don't know but I hope he tries.

As to perversity, it's more perverse to deny your curiosity. Now if you unzipped and began rubbing one off in that bookstore, I can see where you might run into a spot of trouble but to merely examine the imagery is
the most normal thing you could do. perfectly reasonable.

 

[Anthile]

I'm surprised they even sell hentai stuff, considering how ridiculous Australia's censorship for games is. Here in Germany, the section for Japanese stuff in the bookstores grew significantly in the past ten years but I can't even imagine them selling products of this kind. Not even high quality products. I guess it's because it justifies some old prejudices. Needless to say, that's also why we have to rely on fan translations and, by extension, on software piracy to get our hands on visual novels. While western media have a strong division between erotic and actual plot, the Japanese have absolutely no qualms about making porn with stories that put Hollywood movies to shame. Needless to say, this can be quite jarring to the western audience which is not used to this kind of presentation.


Also, why would you buy Gundam condoms? Gundams can't impregnate you, silly.

 

[Fukyo]

I'm surprised they even sell hentai stuff, considering how ridiculous Australia's censorship for games is. Here in Germany, the section for Japanese stuff in the bookstores grew significantly in the past ten years but I can't even imagine them selling products of this kind. Not even high quality products. I guess it's because it justifies some old prejudices. Needless to say, that's also why we have to rely on fan translations and, by extension, on software piracy to get our hands on visual novels. While western media have a strong division between erotic and actual plot, the Japanese have absolutely no qualms about making porn with stories that put Hollywood movies to shame. Needless to say, this can be quite jarring to the western audience which is not used to this kind of presentation.


Also, why would you buy Gundam condoms? Gundams can't impregnate you, silly.

Spoiler

So there I was in Machida...

On a side note,

Damn, am I jealous of you Cog.

 

[Anthile]

On a side note,

Damn, am I jealous of you Cog.

Of course, I was just testing you. Not bad although your reflexes are a bit off. Better luck next time.

 

[DesertSmeagle]

I think that anime porn isnt ad abundant in Europe but is in america because over here, in CA we gots ourselves the porn capital of the world. To bad i live in NY, i could be walkin down the street in CA and see some naked people walkin down the street. So im sure there are all these porn conventions and shit, and thats where the money is for advertising.. I can walk into my local movie store and buy freaky anime porn with robots and demons and its not in some restricted room or anything. Right next to the action movies, for obvious reasons.
Ya im kinda a perverse person, sorry. But thats just human nature.

 

[Beat Mango]

After some time and coffee I had worked out the sheer hilariously-horrifying extent of my mind's perversity, for y'see to be perverse is to derive sexual connotations from actions/situations/context of a non-sexual nature. Now consider the simple act of holding hands which is something I actively avoid doing (as with almost all human contact) and I'm sure many, if not all of you, would be uncomfortable if I picked up your (still attached ) hand. Lets ask ourselves why this is uncomfortable, is it because I'm hurting you (no), is it because I'm restricting your movement (very unlikely) or is it because I'm encroaching upon your personal space, that is to say I'm not just touching you, that by merely touching your hand I've put you in a intimate situation… are we really so sensitive? If I rubbed the skin on the back of your hand the right way could that be considered an intimate act with sexual connotations?

Of course this is ridiculous, hands are just hands, there’s nothing sexual about holding someone’s hand, but y’see the problem is psychological, to the person who considers (subconsciously) the act of holding hands to be connotative of further intimacy having their hand abruptly seized by another is a lesser form of rape, and here I am seizing up whenever someone hugs me *face palm* not because I’m turned on in any way, instead because on a psychological level I’m being raped.

Well, something interesting I've learnt from studying Law is that any physical touching, including hand holding or hugging, could constitute assault and battery, particularly if it's "abruptly seized".

 

[DesertSmeagle]

Americas law system is fuckin rediculous...Oh im sueing you because you touched my hand when i didnt want you to..Thats just an excuse for sueing someone because you dont like them.

 

[Beat Mango]

You wouldn't actually win if you tried to sue someone just for hand-holding, other factors need to be considered (unless it was abruptly seized from behind in a dark alley, then you're probably gone), but the principle is sound: each person is entitled not to have their own person interfered with.

And, I'm in Australia btw.

 

[Cognisant]

*strokes Smeagle's hand perversely*

 

[DesertSmeagle]

*strokes Smeagle's hand perversely*

Ill see you in court....woa...more emoticons...ohh yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Chimera]

I don't know many people (excluding highschool boys) who would blatantly stare at hentai in a public place if no one else was. There's some social restriction about it; no one wants to be "that guy", because being "that guy" *alone* means you:
a- don't get laid
b- have a low respect for women
c- have mental issues
d- don't get laid.
Face it, if someone picked up that book and started reading it right there, the people around them wouldn't react externally at all. They'd stand around like good socially restricted people, politely ignoring the person like people do when a child throws a tantrum in the middle of a store. And half of them probably really wouldn't give a damn about someone reading the book. But too many people are just waiting to slap stereotypes onto everyone.
'Course, people have no problem being interested in sexual stuff if they're not in public or surrounded by like minded people.

If some stranger held my hand, I'd mentally freak out and escape the situation as soon as possible. It's a defensive thing, my thoughts would be something like "What the hell is this guy thinking, holding my hand? What does he want from me?" Because there's no good reason for whoever to be holding my hand. It's a physical symbol of intimacy, sure, because everywhere you look there are children holding their parents' hands, couples holding hands--the gesture has special meanings, same as waving or any other weird motion humans do to communicate. There has to be a reason for it, otherwise it's uncomfortable and foreign. So if some random person, or even a friend who you didn't feel "that way" about, picked up your hand, it makes perfect sense to shy away. Most people would, if only mentally.

(Sigh. I feel like that was a mountain of rambling, but my thoughts decided to be incoherent. Again.)

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[DesertSmeagle]

I'm not saying I do and I mean no disrespect but I'm curious. How does staring at something sexually suggestanle like porn booksean disrespect to women ? Is it beacause that suggests we like women for their bodies and not them? If so that rely sucks for females. They have become sex symbols for society. Except for the smart ones who don't dress like whores.. Womans clothing just screams sex for guys with the cleavage shirts and the tight pants... And that's sociably acceptable. It's not socially acceptable for guys to walk around with skin tight pants showing their bulge.. Which means it's socially acceptable that females are sex symbols.. That sucks for females.sry for any weird grammar mistakes. Using an iPod touch

 

[Da Blob]

So there I was in Machida walking through the manga section of a bookstore and I'm confronted by imagery that's frankly erotic, so like any supposedly healthy minded person I'm trying not to look as I browse for more tasteful fare like "Black Jack" or "Ghost In The Shell"... well okay I'm trying not to be seen looking. But when I look around I'm intrigued by the total aplomb of the people around me, they couldn't care less about what I'm looking at, or what I see them looking at, to them this blatant perversity (yoai, yuri, and everything else) was mundane. So I just stood there for a bit, mulling it over, untill the truth of it occurred to me in a burst of hilarity, that in fact I was the perverse one.

After some time and coffee I had worked out the sheer hilariously-horrifying extent of my mind's perversity, for y'see to be perverse is to derive sexual connotations from actions/situations/context of a non-sexual nature. Now consider the simple act of holding hands which is something I actively avoid doing (as with almost all human contact) and I'm sure many, if not all of you, would be uncomfortable if I picked up your (still attached ) hand. Lets ask ourselves why this is uncomfortable, is it because I'm hurting you (no), is it because I'm restricting your movement (very unlikely) or is it because I'm encroaching upon your personal space, that is to say I'm not just touching you, that by merely touching your hand I've put you in a intimate situation… are we really so sensitive? If I rubbed the skin on the back of your hand the right way could that be considered an intimate act with sexual connotations?

Of course this is ridiculous, hands are just hands, there’s nothing sexual about holding someone’s hand, but y’see the problem is psychological, to the person who considers (subconsciously) the act of holding hands to be connotative of further intimacy having their hand abruptly seized by another is a lesser form of rape, and here I am seizing up whenever someone hugs me *face palm* not because I’m turned on in any way, instead because on a psychological level I’m being raped.

The same principals apply to my original example, being in the bookstore, where I falsely (subconsciously) perceived the context to be of a sexual nature because of the explicit nature of the imagery around me, but in reality I may as well have been standing in the law history section of a state library. Was the guy next to me going to condemn me for looking at what any healthy young man can’t help but notice, of course not, unless obviously the content contained socially unacceptable messages of a clearly sexist nature, or something like that.

…

Robots, robots, robots.
They don’t feeling being touched, they don’t have subconscious connotations.
I wanted to be a robot, to be freed of cognitive dissonance.

Today I bought a pack of Gundam Condoms, because I thought they were cool.

Hmmm obviously you did not read very many of my posts on human relationships, as touching forms one of the dimensions of any human relationship. Crud, look at the root of the word "Intimate". However, I also avoid touch - perhaps it is an INTPian thing, as a way to avoid "intimate" relationships (?)

 

[cheese]

I love this thread, mostly for DesertSmeagle's responses but also for Blob's bracketed question marks (?).

 

[Mello]

I'm not saying I do and I mean no disrespect but I'm curious. How does staring at something sexually suggestanle like porn booksean disrespect to women ? Is it beacause that suggests we like women for their bodies and not them? If so that rely sucks for females. They have become sex symbols for society. Except for the smart ones who don't dress like whores.. Womans clothing just screams sex for guys with the cleavage shirts and the tight pants... And that's sociably acceptable. It's not socially acceptable for guys to walk around with skin tight pants showing their bulge.. Which means it's socially acceptable that females are sex symbols.. That sucks for females.sry for any weird grammar mistakes. Using an iPod touch

Plenty of guys wear skinny jeans.

 

[AlisaD]

So there I was in Machida walking through the manga section of a bookstore and I'm confronted by imagery that's frankly erotic, so like any supposedly healthy minded person I'm trying not to look as I browse for more tasteful fare like "Black Jack" or "Ghost In The Shell"... well okay I'm trying not to be seen looking. But when I look around I'm intrigued by the total aplomb of the people around me, they couldn't care less about what I'm looking at, or what I see them looking at, to them this blatant perversity (yoai, yuri, and everything else) was mundane. So I just stood there for a bit, mulling it over, untill the truth of it occurred to me in a burst of hilarity, that in fact I was the perverse one.

After some time and coffee I had worked out the sheer hilariously-horrifying extent of my mind's perversity, for y'see to be perverse is to derive sexual connotations from actions/situations/context of a non-sexual nature. Now consider the simple act of holding hands which is something I actively avoid doing (as with almost all human contact) and I'm sure many, if not all of you, would be uncomfortable if I picked up your (still attached ) hand. Lets ask ourselves why this is uncomfortable, is it because I'm hurting you (no), is it because I'm restricting your movement (very unlikely) or is it because I'm encroaching upon your personal space, that is to say I'm not just touching you, that by merely touching your hand I've put you in a intimate situation… are we really so sensitive? If I rubbed the skin on the back of your hand the right way could that be considered an intimate act with sexual connotations?

Of course this is ridiculous, hands are just hands, there’s nothing sexual about holding someone’s hand, but y’see the problem is psychological, to the person who considers (subconsciously) the act of holding hands to be connotative of further intimacy having their hand abruptly seized by another is a lesser form of rape, and here I am seizing up whenever someone hugs me *face palm* not because I’m turned on in any way, instead because on a psychological level I’m being raped.

The same principals apply to my original example, being in the bookstore, where I falsely (subconsciously) perceived the context to be of a sexual nature because of the explicit nature of the imagery around me, but in reality I may as well have been standing in the law history section of a state library. Was the guy next to me going to condemn me for looking at what any healthy young man can’t help but notice, of course not, unless obviously the content contained socially unacceptable messages of a clearly sexist nature, or something like that.

…

Robots, robots, robots.
They don’t feeling being touched, they don’t have subconscious connotations.
I wanted to be a robot, to be freed of cognitive dissonance.

Today I bought a pack of Gundam Condoms, because I thought they were cool.

From what I gather you issue isn't with sex, it's with intimacy. As I'm sue you know, sex can be quite sterile and robot so buying Gundam condoms or reading manga porn is fine, I suppose.

Holding hands can be a lot more emotionally disturbing then sex.

And as for what is perverse, it's anything you do and feel shouldn't be doing.
Being a nihilist, for you it's probably not the usual stuff that society frowns upon.
Being an INTP, it probably is holding hands.