No money - no stimulation?

[intpz]

Well not exactly "no" stimulation, but significantly less stimulation. This question is best asked people who actually have plenty of money to spend, buy most (or everything) of what hey want.

Personally, I can think of tens, hundreds or even thousands of things I would do if I had money to do them. Just a few from the top of my head: photography, building electronic stuff, trying musical instruments, etc..

A couple days ago there were some trouble with the electricity, so we didn't have any power for almost all day. They were repairing something or whatever the electrical company said. I was bored as fuck. I cleaned everything up (that is around me and I use, the things I know (as far as I know) that others don't touch), including my PC, keyboard, etc., while at the same time ordering stuff (say placing wire and screwdriver in a steady location, not randomly dropping them in my drawer). Afterwards, I took a walk, even though it was real hot. When I got back home, I didn't know what to do! Nothing came to mind. I was just lying down in silence, since I couldn't sleep. Horrible experience. Basically, I couldn't do shit, since I don't have any money to buy the stuff necessary to do something interesting, and I was unable to think of something that I could do without the money and/or with the stuff I already have (which I don't actually).

P.S. No smart-ass answers would be cool.

 

[InvisibleJim]

You've just about worked it out.

 

[Darby]

I currently live with a person who is into meditation/yoga and all that jazz. I have been attempting to get into it but my "addiction (I don't know how else to put it)" to stimuli has definitely been difficult to fight. I would suggest attempting this approach if you are even looking for a way to be comfortable with not really doing anything.

I just moved btw, so I used to live in a house with 2 other people, and there was always the option of social interaction, even if I didn't participate in it often. However, where I'm living now, I had no internet for a week, and that meant that if my roommate wasn't up for chatting I pretty much stared at the wall.

 

[Architect]

Not sure what your question is. Regardless, I've gone from having no money to having lots of money, it has been an interesting transition.

In many ways not having money is more exciting. It's like being hungry - not pleasant, but you are more alive. Having lots of dough is like having just eaten a big meal. You feel good, pleasant, fat, bloated and insensate. It's no coincidence that your taste buds increase in sensitivity when you are truly hungry (which most people these days don't let themselves get to). Likewise being poor puts an edge on life that is exciting and you miss when it's gone, even though its not pleasant at the time.

So what happens? Well naturally you use your money to create excitement and edge for yourself. I imagine this is why many rich playboys buy women and cars, probably SP types. For an INTP (me) it's buying equipment and travel along the lines you mention. I've got a fully stocked photography cabinet, computers (I pick up any gadget I want pretty much), books, conferences and travel. I also challenge myself more, I could quit working, but I'm working harder than ever now. Not for the money but for the challange and excitement.

So, when life doesn't give you enough excitement you have to make it happen on your own. Regards to your specific question, I'd say that not having money is actually more stimulating than having it, but not as much fun. So I prefer having money to not, but I'm not sure I'd say its entirely better.

By the way I tried 'Voluntary Simplicity' once in an effort to save money and thereby have more money (it did help). Basically it sucked though, what happens is that your energy gets tied up in VS, rather than some creative activity. Seemed pretty common too.

 

[MissQuote]

Man, finding somewhere quiet to just sit or lay down and think by myself is pretty much one of my favorite things to do and necessary to my mental health to have happen regularly. Although, I guess if I literally had nothing else to do I would be bored with with that and not want to do it.

Try reading a book next time. Last time my power went out I read nearly all of Flowers in the Attic and didn't realise the power was back on until a while after it had been.

 

[intpz]

That's an interesting point of view, but I always like Architect's posts, as well as at least one another guy of which I can't recall the name of...

Being poor isn't equal to being poor. What I meant was completely moneyless for anything but basic food so you wouldn't starve. Could you elaborate on the stimulation part in a situation like this?

 

[Meer]

All you need is a pen and some paper.

Money, after looking after basic necessities, is really only useful for making more time for the pen and paper.

 

[downsowf]

I agree with Meer, and like you, I always enjoy reading Architect's posts. He's a good example of a successful INTP who has reached the type of balance I strive for one day. In a way, the necessary amenities that I need to live comfortably, and the constant reliance on different varieties of stimulation, has led to a decline in my personal creativity at times. I know I was most creative when I was living in NYC, eating food from McDonald's dollar menu every day, and walking around the city with a notepad and a pen. There's plenty of stimulation out in the world; sometimes it's easy to overlook this when you get so used to relying on material distractions, or the accumulation of things, as a constant source of stimulation. People with a lot of money, and I'm friends with a few trust fund babies, need to perpetually up their ante of living because their standards of what type of things they need or activities they engage in are always changing. A trip to the mountains an hour away isn't good enough so they take a trip to the Swiss Alps. Then the Swiss Alps get "boring" so they have to go somewhere else. Point is: there is never enough when you're poor or when you're rich. The standards might be different, but the compulsion for more stimulation are always the same. Not sure if responsive to the question.

 

[Turniphead]

I like this thread...

Sometimes being broke is nice because then I don't have to make decisions. Right now I have some money, but I should save it because my income is less than my expenses. Arrrghhh, I just distract myself with what to buy or not to buy.

Of cource, if I had huge amounts of money, then decisions would likely be easier as well.

All you need is a pen and some paper.

Money, after looking after basic necessities, is really only useful for making more time for the pen and paper.

This is a good reminder for me. It's easy to forget.

 

[snafupants]

Library cards, meditation, girls, exercise, and nature are free. I could immediately relinquish all of my possessions, move into the woods, and remain relatively content. Opulence would get me down.

 

[Architect]

I agree with Meer, and like you, I always enjoy reading Architect's posts. He's a good example of a successful INTP who has reached the type of balance I strive for one day.

Thank you

In a way, the necessary amenities that I need to live comfortably, and the constant reliance on different varieties of stimulation, has led to a decline in my personal creativity at times.

Yes, good way to put it.

Another angle on it is that I struggled for years to become financially independent so I could quit my job and 'follow my true passion'. Once I got there and actually had a choice, I found my true passion was exactly what I was doing, but it had been obscured by the need to earn a living. So now I'm able to be doing exactly what I was doing before, but since I don't have to do it, but instead by do it by choice, the tables are turned. So in this example money, just the idea of it (because I don't really have money, but rather a number in a computer somewhere representing some amount of investments) I'm able to find greater self discovery.

It also has aided self discovery in that it opens up new avenues. For example with photography, a horrifically expensive hobby. Even today in the age of digital without film costs, now we've got camera and lens manufactures (Canon especially) jacking up the price of gear. Having the ability to do this has given me an opportunity to develop my visual side, which has had no time ever in my life.

Taken to extremes I think it becomes a negative. I have just enough to maintain me in a retirement, when I eventually choose to take it. I believe the most pathetic people on the planet are the Bankers and Traders who have millions, all earned for doing nothing. Just guessing the markets and moving some numbers around, I'd feel bad for them if they weren't such a pathetic lot.

Anyhow I believe that one day we'll be living in a Star Trek like universe in that the basic necessities will become more available to all, and then we'll all have the chance to experience it. Robotics and available Solar System energy sources will enable this, I hope and expect.

 

[intpz]

All you need is a pen and some paper.

Money, after looking after basic necessities, is really only useful for making more time for the pen and paper.

Personally, since I'm extremely low on material things, even though I like writing, I don't feel like doing it. I guess you could call that depression in a way or literally. In other words, I disagree with you.

sometimes it's easy to overlook this when you get so used to relying on material distractions, or the accumulation of things, as a constant source of stimulation.

I disagree again, and again by applying my own situation. I've never been used to living good ("relying on material distractions"), because I never could do that, and yet I seem to be overlooking it.

Sometimes being broke is nice because then I don't have to make decisions. Right now I have some money, but I should save it because my income is less than my expenses. Arrrghhh, I just distract myself with what to buy or not to buy.

Would you really prefer to have a $3k/year job instead of a $6k/year job, just so you could avoid making some decisions...?

Library cards, meditation, girls, exercise, and nature are free. I could immediately relinquish all of my possessions, move into the woods, and remain relatively content. Opulence would get me down.

Personal situation comments:

Not every country has libraries, especially if you want a library that has any interesting books.

I actually thought that INTPs would find meditation boring. It's sort of an anti-stimulant in my opinion.

Girls require money and often looks, therefore I think you should discard this.

Personally I find exercising boring, it's a physical stimulation, not mental stimulation. That was the point of this thread actually, mental stimulation.

Nature is kinda abstract, don't you think?

Anyhow I believe that one day we'll be living in a Star Trek like universe in that the basic necessities will become more available to all, and then we'll all have the chance to experience it. Robotics and available Solar System energy sources will enable this, I hope and expect.

Unless time travel would become available or you would freeze yourself for a thousand years, we are not gonna see that. Would be astonishing though.

 

[Architect]

Unless time travel would become available or you would freeze yourself for a thousand years, we are not gonna see that. Would be astonishing though.

I disagree. Look at the second derivative of technological change, you might see the famous 'hockey stick' pattern. It's due to the feedback of technology, particularly measurement technology, into other technology areas. I've spent my life in measurement tech and have noticed this first hand, you can look at the work of Ray Kurzweil for the published evidence.

 

[intpz]

I disagree. Look at the second derivative of technological change, you might see the famous 'hockey stick' pattern. It's due to the feedback of technology, particularly measurement technology, into other technology areas. I've spent my life in measurement tech and have noticed this first hand, you can look at the work of Ray Kurzweil for the published evidence.

Star Trek example would be an intergalactic civilization, which means a lot of control over the environment and a lot of power. We can't even create pollution-free power ourselves yet, we are overpopulated, conflict and money-seeking, and quite a few countries don't even have access to the commodities that an average citizen in the US has. Some people don't even have clean water.

I think the first step would be to harvest energy of the nature, which, I think, is pretty close. And don't say solar/wind/water energy technology that we have now, it is very primitive as of now. The second step would be an invention of modern enough space shuttles that could carry us to other habitable planets, or make uninhabitable planets habitable. Only then, after colonizing space, we could begin comparing ourselves to a Star Trek civilization.

 

[snafupants]

Personally, since I'm extremely low on material things, even though I like writing, I don't feel like doing it. I guess you could call that depression in a way or literally. In other words, I disagree with you.



I disagree again, and again by applying my own situation. I've never been used to living good ("relying on material distractions"), because I never could do that, and yet I seem to be overlooking it.



Would you really prefer to have a $3k/year job instead of a $6k/year job, just so you could avoid making some decisions...?



Personal situation comments:

Not every country has libraries, especially if you want a library that has any interesting books.

I actually thought that INTPs would find meditation boring. It's sort of an anti-stimulant in my opinion.

Girls require money and often looks, therefore I think you should discard this.

Personally I find exercising boring, it's a physical stimulation, not mental stimulation. That was the point of this thread actually, mental stimulation.

Nature is kinda abstract, don't you think?



Unless time travel would become available or you would freeze yourself for a thousand years, we are not gonna see that. Would be astonishing though.

On one level, bullet pointing items which were mentally stimulating might have possessed some limited utility. This thread appears more geared towards alleviating the lack of stimulation rather than mental stimulation per se. In this vein, my previous suggestions were meant to assist in gratuitously obviating boredom down the road and ultimately rewiring the brain. The opening testimony indicated cognitive distortion to the extent that money was conflated with contentment and stimulation, let alone that stimulation was necessary for contentment; my intention was to disabuse this specious correlation.

 

[Turniphead]

Would you really prefer to have a $3k/year job instead of a $6k/year job, just so you could avoid making some decisions...?
Hmm, depends on what my goals are. If I actually had a clear purpose for the money than sure, it's better. I haven't thought about it in an either or situation, as I've just had to deal with the scenarios as they come.

I actually thought that INTPs would find meditation boring. It's sort of an anti-stimulant in my opinion.
It's interesting as a sort of game, but gets boring, yes.

Girls require money and often looks, therefore I think you should discard this.
Not all of them, the one I'm with needs less money than I do.

Personally I find exercising boring, it's a physical stimulation, not mental stimulation. That was the point of this thread actually, mental stimulation.
There are things that combine both. Parkour is a good one if you don't have money, lot's of problem solving involved.

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Also, somewhat on topic.... You may want to look into the philosophy of Stoicism.
It's helped me appreciate what I have more than I used to. It's a fair bit like Zen Buddhism but without the anti-stimulation parts.

 

[intpz]

@snafupants I didn't formulate my question in any way indicating that I was asking "how to rewire your brain if you can't get stimulation from money." That would be a completely different subject, which would unravel into the "monkey work dimension." In other words, it would sound something like this: "How to make your brain to stop thinking and make yourself believe that you like it."

@Turniphead I've heard some info about this, we were learning about it at school for the past two years in the opposite subject to "religion." I didn't like it, just like I don't like anything that has a word "spiritual" in it. I'm a huge skeptic about that and I don't do other peoples' opinions or beliefs. I value everything independent of how much I have, but dependent on what is available. If there is clean water available but I have only dirty water, I don't value the dirty water. In fact, I think that valuing what you have independent of what is available is stupid, as in a far extend you could value a carton box and a rotten sandwich...

 

[Turniphead]

@Turniphead I've heard some info about this, we were learning about it at school for the past two years in the opposite subject to "religion." I didn't like it, just like I don't like anything that has a word "spiritual" in it.

Hah, there is nothing "spiritual" about it. It's just a vague collection of ideas that a group of now dead people had.

I'm a huge skeptic about that and I don't do other peoples' opinions or beliefs.

Bullshit. All of your beliefs/opinions are based on, or in reaction to, the rest of the humans on this planet. You aren't an island of unique thought just because you have the ablility to think internally.

I value everything independent of how much I have, but dependent on what is available. If there is clean water available but I have only dirty water, I don't value the dirty water. In fact, I think that valuing what you have independent of what is available is stupid, as in a far extend you could value a carton box and a rotten sandwich...

That's a good way to never be satisfied.

 

[intpz]

Bullshit. All of your beliefs/opinions are based on, or in reaction to, the rest of the humans on this planet. You aren't an island of unique thought just because you have the ablility to think internally.

Exactly, they are not copies of the beliefs of others'. If Joe says he thinks that 7bil people is a good thing, I say bullshit, the planet's overcrowded. My opinion is based on the fact that the planet has a lot of people and on the information about habitable/uninhabitable zones, as well as a lot of other shit. It's not because someone on TV (can they even say that on TV?) said so.

That's a good way to never be satisfied.

I'm a realist, I don't make myself believe (or at least don't do it consciously) that some things are true or false to make my life more bearable. I leave that for the religious people.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Well not exactly "no" stimulation, but significantly less stimulation. This question is best asked people who actually have plenty of money to spend, buy most (or everything) of what hey want.

Personally, I can think of tens, hundreds or even thousands of things I would do if I had money to do them. Just a few from the top of my head: photography, building electronic stuff, trying musical instruments, etc..

A couple days ago there were some trouble with the electricity, so we didn't have any power for almost all day. They were repairing something or whatever the electrical company said. I was bored as fuck. I cleaned everything up (that is around me and I use, the things I know (as far as I know) that others don't touch), including my PC, keyboard, etc., while at the same time ordering stuff (say placing wire and screwdriver in a steady location, not randomly dropping them in my drawer). Afterwards, I took a walk, even though it was real hot. When I got back home, I didn't know what to do! Nothing came to mind. I was just lying down in silence, since I couldn't sleep. Horrible experience. Basically, I couldn't do shit, since I don't have any money to buy the stuff necessary to do something interesting, and I was unable to think of something that I could do without the money and/or with the stuff I already have (which I don't actually).

P.S. No smart-ass answers would be cool.

Do you live in the city?

 

[Turniphead]

Exactly, they are not copies of the beliefs of others'. If Joe says he thinks that 7bil people is a good thing, I say bullshit, the planet's overcrowded. My opinion is based on the fact that the planet has a lot of people and on the information about habitable/uninhabitable zones, as well as a lot of other shit. It's not because someone on TV (can they even say that on TV?) said so.

Right, so why would you rule out a group of ideas(ex. stoicism) just because the ideas didn't start in your own head. I value ideas for how much sense they make, not for where they came from.

What if "Joe" had said "the planet has a lot of people and on the information about habitable/uninhabitable zones, as well as a lot of other shit."
Would you disagree just because you didn't say it first?

I'm a realist, I don't make myself believe (or at least don't do it consciously) that some things are true or false to make my life more bearable. I leave that for the religious people.

Well, whatever floats your banana boat. I would consider myself a nihilist, but it's not a very practical viewpoint for day to day living so I have to find aditional ideas that make dealing with things like money and boredom easier.

 

[intpz]

Do you live in the city?

...I do. Odd question regarding my post?

Right, so why would you rule out a group of ideas(ex. stoicism) just because the ideas didn't start in your own head. I value ideas for how much sense they make, not for where they came from.

You answered your own question later on. I don't discard them, they do not correlate with my ideas.

What if "Joe" had said "the planet has a lot of people and on the information about habitable/uninhabitable zones, as well as a lot of other shit."
Would you disagree just because you didn't say it first?

I genuinely don't care who said it first, what I care about is if I thought about it before I heard someone say it or read about it. If some other idea comes around which I think makes more scientific sense, then I think if it really does make more sense 10 more times, take into account various possibilities, and if it really does make more sense, I take it in. However, I do not consider emotional ideas more than thinking about what they could mean, how many people does that, why did someone think of that, etc..

Well, whatever floats your banana boat. I would consider myself a nihilist, but it's not a very practical viewpoint for day to day living so I have to find aditional ideas that make dealing with things like money and boredom easier.

Nihilism, in my opinion, is a bit irrational. Since I'm trying to be as rational as I can with my potential, I consider myself a realist, as the reality is the most rational form of perceiving the world. Everything else, more or less, has certain irrational viewpoints that deform some aspects of your life.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

...I do. Odd question regarding my post?

You can screw around in the city. Depending on where you live there are different things to do in the city but there's usually a local park.

 

[intpz]

You can screw around in the city. Depending on where you live there are different things to do in the city but there's usually a local park.

Okay, let's partially derail a bit.

Well I live pretty much in the center of the city. Not one of those... "Russian" regions, the equivalent to the "black" neighborhoods in the US according to what I read. I don't really know if the situations at least half as bad in those as it is around here...

So anyway, could you elaborate on the subject?

 

[Turniphead]

Nihilism, in my opinion, is a bit irrational. Since I'm trying to be as rational as I can with my potential, I consider myself a realist, as the reality is the most rational form of perceiving the world. Everything else, more or less, has certain irrational viewpoints that deform some aspects of your life.

Ok, after reading some of your other posts on this forum I've jumped to the conclusion that you have a warped view on what being rational even is. You actually come across as being somewhat close minded and irrational. A lot of your posts seem to be about rationalizing your own point of view and making excuses rather than thinking about other possibilities.

You also seem to have some sort of vendetta against feelings but,
If you didn't have feelings you would just sit there, doing nothing.
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/...gical-the-neuroscience-behind-decision-making



Just trying to understand in my little brain.

 

[intpz]

Well that article basically says that everything is based on emotions and logic doesn't exist. Basically, by using arguments of that sort, we can discard everything, and therefore comply to your nihilistic world view. For example, we can discard a phrase like "black neighborhood," because there sure is one white or Hispanic dude, or someone who had a white mother and a black dad, he isn't completely black. I prefer to put stuff like that in abstract low-level stereotypes that are generally used.

 

[Turniphead]

Once again, I find myself confused by your post.

 

[Meer]

Since I'm extremely low on material things, even though I like writing, I don't feel like doing it. I guess you could call that depression.
I've never been used to living good.

You seem to have bought into the idea that money and buying things is extremely important, even though you supposedly have never really been able to take part in it (right?). This is weird. You're depressed and can't write because... you haven't bought enough stuff? If you could go get an iPad tomorrow, you'd be okay to start writing?

You're putting yourself into a box. I don't understand what you're looking for. Do you want me to agree with you and feel sorry for your lack of money? I don't see how this is useful.

As far as your examples go, with photography, electronics and music, a few hundred dollars will put you on the path to 'stimulation' or whatever the fuck pretty good. You can get an analog synth kit to build for only a couple hundred bucks and kill two birds with one stone.

Urgh, the consumerism.

 

[intpz]

You seem to have bought into the idea that money and buying things is extremely important, even though you supposedly have never really been able to take part in it (right?). This is weird. You're depressed and can't write because... you haven't bought enough stuff? If you could go get an iPad tomorrow, you'd be okay to start writing?

I don't need an iPad. I didn't mean anything that's costly (or not, no idea how much an iPad costs). I would be okay with getting a nice meal every day. I would be okay with getting a new PC that could handle modern software. I wouldn't mind a laptop so that I could write outside. I wouldn't mind a camera so I could take pictures. I wouldn't mind a house instead of 4m^2 that I live in. Just a few examples what would make me much happier.

You're putting yourself into a box. I don't understand what you're looking for. Do you want me to agree with you and feel sorry for your lack of money? I don't see how this is useful.

Actually this post was to get the opinions and experience of others. So no, I don't want either. I want a discussion.

As far as your examples go, with photography, electronics and music, a few hundred dollars will put you on the path to 'stimulation' or whatever the fuck pretty good. You can get an analog synth kit to build for only a couple hundred bucks and kill two birds with one stone.

A couple hundred dollars is what our family gets a month. We have to buy food and pay taxes with that money. Having in mind that by couple you mean <$300.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Okay, let's partially derail a bit.

Well I live pretty much in the center of the city. Not one of those... "Russian" regions, the equivalent to the "black" neighborhoods in the US according to what I read. I don't really know if the situations at least half as bad in those as it is around here...

So anyway, could you elaborate on the subject?

Nothing to really elaborate, I suppose by city I meant metropolitan area or business district.

Like I said it depends on where you live for what you could possibly do. If you can, just go outside and do stuff, explore.

 

[intpz]

Nothing to really elaborate, I suppose by city I meant metropolitan area or business district.

Like I said it depends on where you live for what you could possibly do. If you can, just go outside and do stuff, explore.

I pretty much explored the city already. Except the dangerous neighborhoods, where people at some bus stops literally are waiting for "vulnerable" people to get out, so they could get stripped of their phones and/or wallets.

It didn't take long. I usually go wherever I haven't been yet, and when I feel that I'm getting tired, I am looking for a way back. I don't have a map with me nor I am planning where to go before going out.

I guess the city is really small, especially if we exclude the "rich" homes and farms around the outskirts. We don't really have a metropolitan area too, just an area that attracts teenagers/tourists, which you can explore in 2-3 hours tops if you are walking slowly. There's two very small and not remote parks, so being in a park is pretty much being on the street, except there's a few bums around you. There's another, a bit more remote park, where I can get in around an hour when walking pretty quickly. However, junkies love to hang out there, as it's remote and there's an old abandoned building in the center of it, so I consider it quite dangerous.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I pretty much explored the city already. Except the dangerous neighborhoods, where people at some bus stops literally are waiting for "vulnerable" people to get out, so they could get stripped of their phones and/or wallets.

It didn't take long. I usually go wherever I haven't been yet, and when I feel that I'm getting tired, I am looking for a way back. I don't have a map with me nor I am planning where to go before going out.

I guess the city is really small, especially if we exclude the "rich" homes and farms around the outskirts. We don't really have a metropolitan area too, just an area that attracts teenagers/tourists, which you can explore in 2-3 hours tops if you are walking slowly. There's two very small and not remote parks, so being in a park is pretty much being on the street, except there's a few bums around you. There's another, a bit more remote park, where I can get in around an hour when walking pretty quickly. However, junkies love to hang out there, as it's remote and there's an old abandoned building in the center of it, so I consider it quite dangerous.

Well if you're averse to that then you already seem to have access to the internet. Download games and stuff.

Checking out that abandoned building might be a thrill though.

 

[intpz]

Well if you're averse to that then you already seem to have access to the internet. Download games and stuff.

Checking out that abandoned building might be a thrill though.

That's what I do. However, my PC is really old, therefore it can't run any modern games. Old stuff gets boring after a while. Nonetheless, only playing games is not enough stimulation for me. It's okay as long as I only play games, but if I wanna take something like programming (again), I'm starting to have trouble. In other words, I wanna do something else than play games for "fun," but since my choices are so limited, I am not free to choose to do something else, something that requires money. I assume that's kinda depressing.

Sure, I'd meet a few guys ready to rob me and stick a few needles. I tend to stay out of places like that. Nonetheless, old buildings (not only around here, I presume) are usually... wrecked. Sprayed on. Shit in. Etc..

 

[EyeSeeCold]

That's what I do. However, my PC is really old, therefore it can't run any modern games. Old stuff gets boring after a while. Nonetheless, only playing games is not enough stimulation for me. It's okay as long as I only play games, but if I wanna take something like programming (again), I'm starting to have trouble. In other words, I wanna do something else than play games for "fun," but since my choices are so limited, I am not free to choose to do something else, something that requires money. I assume that's kinda depressing.

Modern like what? Could it handle 2006 and down? 2003 and down?

I don't have much motivation to learn code from textbooks and other presentational learning methods, but this site works for me: Codeacademy. It's a website with interactive javascript lessons and some HTML + CSS, where you're able to test your knowledge right away. The only problem is you can blaze through without practicing much, unless you make the effort to practice. Old lessons come up frequently in later lessons so maybe it's not really a problem.

Sure, I'd meet a few guys ready to rob me and stick a few needles. I tend to stay out of places like that. Nonetheless, old buildings (not only around here, I presume) are usually... wrecked. Sprayed on. Shit in. Etc..

Do some of those things. Nothing wrong with breaking the windows of an abandoned building.

 

[intpz]

Modern like what? Could it handle 2006 and down? 2003 and down?

Something along the lines of 2005-2006 and down.

I don't have much motivation to learn code from textbooks and other presentational learning methods, but this site works for me: Codeacademy. It's a website with interactive javascript lessons and some HTML + CSS, where you're able to test your knowledge right away. The only problem is you can blaze through without practicing much, unless you make the effort to practice. Old lessons come up frequently in later lessons so maybe it's not really a problem.

I enjoy C++ more than any other language. That is what I used to code when I had a little bit more of stimulation. It lasted for a very short period of time, but it was very fun, it allowed me to do something interesting. During that period of time I've learned C++ and coded a few games and did some other stuff.

Thanks for the link though, I guess it will be useful if I'll ever think of opening another site. That's when I usually read various lessons on JS/HTML/CSS/SQL/PHP and edit the template/plugins, etc. for my site.

Do some of those things. Nothing wrong with breaking the windows of an abandoned building.

Windows are boring unless you have a gun or something of that sort. Unfortunately something of that sort requires money. I wouldn't mind to learn how to shoot though, shoot some cans or something. That would be fun.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Something along the lines of 2005-2006 and down.

GUN
Portal, Team Fortress 2
Minecraft
Counter-Strike

Grand Theft Auto
Battlefield
Call of Duty
Half-Life
Elder Scrolls (probably not, maybe Morrowind)

music
movies
television
etc

I enjoy C++ more than any other language. That is what I used to code when I had a little bit more of stimulation. It lasted for a very short period of time, but it was very fun, it allowed me to do something interesting. During that period of time I've learned C++ and coded a few games and did some other stuff.

Thanks for the link though, I guess it will be useful if I'll ever think of opening another site. That's when I usually read various lessons on JS/HTML/CSS/SQL/PHP and edit the template/plugins, etc. for my site.

Ah, well you're already farther than me.

The appeal of it is that the lessons are presented in the form of tasks, so it's not like you're learning code but carrying out assignments. And since you're accomplishing things that fill your time with what feels like productive work, it can be satisfying.

Windows are boring unless you have a gun or something of that sort. Unfortunately something of that sort requires money. I wouldn't mind to learn how to shoot though, shoot some cans or something. That would be fun.

I don't know, I'd prefer being more involved in the direct impact, like hurling rocks or swinging a metal bar or something, like an outlet.

 

[intpz]

GUN
Portal
Minecraft
Counter-Strike

Grand Theft Auto
Battlefield
Call of Duty
Half-Life
Elder Scrolls (probably not, maybe Morrowind)

music
movies
television
etc

I thought I said that I've already played a lot of games, watched a lot of shows and movies. The situation with these "attractions" right now is this:

I've played all the games that interest me and can be ran on my PC until the point where I get bored because they are too repetitive or I complete it. I usually don't wanna play the same game again, however on some occasions I played the same game twice.
I've watched all the movies that are good, afterwards I watched all the averagely shitty movies. I decline to watch the absolutely shitty movies. I also watched some movies twice, which is also unusual for me.
I watched the shows that interest me, some of them even twice.
"Etc" - see where I'm going with this?

I don't know, I'd prefer being more involved in the direct impact, like hurling rocks or swinging a metal bar or something, like an outlet.

That would make me feel like one of these asshole criminals who think that jail is cool. I'm not interested in bashing objects. I am, however, interested in trying guns. Mostly, though, I'd prefer targets (those circle things or human forms with points written on them).

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I thought I said that I've already played a lot of games, watched a lot of shows and movies. The situation with these "attractions" right now is this:

I've played all the games that interest me and can be ran on my PC until the point where I get bored because they are too repetitive or I complete it. I usually don't wanna play the same game again, however on some occasions I played the same game twice.
I've watched all the movies that are good, afterwards I watched all the averagely shitty movies. I decline to watch the absolutely shitty movies. I also watched some movies twice, which is also unusual for me.
I watched the shows that interest me, some of them even twice.
"Etc" - see where I'm going with this?

Yea I don't know which ones you played so I just listed some. But I'm definitely sure there are good movies out there you've never seen.

That would make me feel like one of these asshole criminals who think that jail is cool. I'm not interested in bashing objects. I am, however, interested in trying guns. Mostly, though, I'd prefer targets (those circle things or human forms with points written on them).

lol Not sure how guns are less criminal.

 

[intpz]

Yea I don't know which ones you played so I just listed some. But I'm definitely sure there are good movies out there you've never seen.



lol Not sure how guns are less criminal.

There is, but I've spend a couple hours looking for some the other day (looked through thousands of movies, literally), so I'm not willing to do that again.

It's not, however as I said, I'd prefer targets over windows, which is not criminal.

 

[snafupants]

Apparently you would rather remain in a rut than tempt true novelty and hazard (gasp) personal psyche risk. That's fine, but just have some insight into the situation and stop pretending like others are posing frivolous, wholly unworkable ideas when, in fact, you're afraid to change.

Spoiler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Messiah

 

[intpz]

Apparently you would rather remain in a rut than tempt true novelty and hazard (gasp) personal psyche risk. That's fine, but just have some insight into the situation and stop pretending like others are posing frivolous, wholly unworkable ideas when, in fact, you're afraid to change.

Spoiler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Messiah

Actually I wouldn't mind change at all. For example, I'd like to move out of this country to an English-speaking one, and I think this is as big as it gets in a change department.

 

[snafupants]

Actually I wouldn't mind change at all. For example, I'd like to move out of this country to an English-speaking one, and I think this is as big as it gets in a change department.

Not necessarily. You could tromp around every continent and still avoid dealing with core existential problems. It seems as though you craft large theoretical changes as a defense mechanism such that medium-sized, reasonably alterable issues are temporarily obviated. This keeps you in the same cushy place, but is to your long-term detriment.

 

[intpz]

Not necessarily. You could tromp around every continent and still avoid dealing with core existential problems. It seems as though you craft large theoretical changes as a defense mechanism such that medium-sized, reasonably alterable issues are temporarily obviated. This keeps you in the same cushy place, but is to your long-term detriment.

I see. So which changes are you talking about exactly?

 

[snafupants]

I see. So which changes are you talking about exactly?

I just mean that instead of inquiring about personal hangups or foibles which are holding you back, you seem to be dismissing decent input from this forum's members while conjuring grand schemes designed to evaporate all of your issues. It's really a personal quest. You need to designate the important things in life for you, which necessitates understanding yourself. From there, you need to undertake the potentially fulfilling/painful experiences unlocked by the aforesaid discoveries, which requires courage and a leap of faith. Initially, it's not necessarily fun because you're effectively counteracting safety and years of conditioning and convention. That's the quickest way to grow.

 

[intpz]

I just mean that instead of inquiring about personal hangups or foibles which are holding you back, you seem to be dismissing decent input from this forum's members while conjuring grand schemes designed to evaporate all of your issues. It's really a personal quest. You need to designate the important things in life for you, which necessitates understanding yourself. From there, you need to undertake the potentially fulfilling/painful experiences unlocked by the aforesaid discoveries, which requires courage and a leap of faith. Initially, it's not necessarily fun because you're effectively counteracting safety and years of conditioning and convention. That's the quickest way to grow.

You mean the fact that I "countered" your post?

Library cards, meditation, girls, exercise, and nature are free. I could immediately relinquish all of my possessions, move into the woods, and remain relatively content. Opulence would get me down.

Personal situation comments:

Not every country has libraries, especially if you want a library that has any interesting books.

I actually thought that INTPs would find meditation boring. It's sort of an anti-stimulant in my opinion.

Girls require money and often looks, therefore I think you should discard this.

Personally I find exercising boring, it's a physical stimulation, not mental stimulation. That was the point of this thread actually, mental stimulation.

Nature is kinda abstract, don't you think?

 

[snafupants]

You mean the fact that I "countered" your post?

Now you seem to be attempting to evoke anger or vexation in order to deflect.

Spoiler

While I maintain that I gave serviceable counsel earlier, I was predominately alluding to your offhanded dismissal of different advice in this thread.

 

[intpz]

Now you seem to be attempting to evoke anger or vexation in order to deflect.

Spoiler

While I maintain that I gave serviceable counsel earlier, I was predominately alluding to your offhanded dismissal of different advice in this thread.

Well I was trying to figure out what's the problem here, as I commented on every advice with a plausible explanation for each one of them. That includes breaking windows, watching movies/shows/playing games, exploring the city (this I actually do a few times a month, even though I've been everywhere I can, as I mentioned earlier. If I'd do it more often, it would become too boring as I would continue to see the same things too often), take up on some beliefs (stoicism). I might've missed something, as I just skimmed through the posts, but you can find my comments in the quotes to those posts.

 

[ach003]

You seem more keen on playing devil's advocate than actually taking in any advice and implementing changes into your life where you can. I think that you don't yet realize the power that you truly do have to create your own version of supreme happiness. God, you sound exactly like me only a few years ago...it is actually pretty eerie...just the way you are responding to everyone. I've always known my mind was a wonderful place, that I could argue anything, and that I had already "considered all of my options"...but realizing there is a MASSIVE difference between thinking something and actually applying in in real life is what made me grow a lot as a person. I know its tough getting out of your own head once in a while....I do believe taking a few risks would be good for you, on the principle that you ought to experience things sometimes before you can rationalize not doing them. If after you've done something you still hate it (assuming you've gone into doing something first with the mentality that you will attempt to enjoy it at all costs) then I say to you: rationalize away! Thinking about it scientifically, theories are respected versions of "truths" that come from thinking, and understanding something. However, no theory holds any weight without empirical evidence supporting said theory through some sort of experimentation. You are on a quest to find happiness...if that is the case then should you not put your mind and body through some experimentation?

Also, lying down in silence can be fulfilling, if you let it be.

 

[intpz]

You seem more keen on playing devil's advocate than actually taking in any advice and implementing changes into your life where you can. I think that you don't yet realize the power that you truly do have to create your own version of supreme happiness. God, you sound exactly like me only a few years ago...it is actually pretty eerie...just the way you are responding to everyone. I've always known my mind was a wonderful place, that I could argue anything, and that I had already "considered all of my options"...but realizing there is a MASSIVE difference between thinking something and actually applying in in real life is what made me grow a lot as a person. I know its tough getting out of your own head once in a while....I do believe taking a few risks would be good for you, on the principle that you ought to experience things sometimes before you can rationalize not doing them. If after you've done something you still hate it (assuming you've gone into doing something first with the mentality that you will attempt to enjoy it at all costs) then I say to you: rationalize away! Thinking about it scientifically, theories are respected versions of "truths" that come from thinking, and understanding something. However, no theory holds any weight without empirical evidence supporting said theory through some sort of experimentation. You are on a quest to find happiness...if that is the case then should you not put your mind and body through some experimentation?

Also, lying down in silence can be fulfilling, if you let it be.

I do agree with the fact that not trying to do something and rationalizing why not is bad. I've started doing more stuff since probably 2 or 3 years ago. That's when I started gaining more confidence, as I've started using my "information sponge" abilities. My rationale is somewhat along the lines of "what's the worst thing that can happen" now. Not for all things. I don't do drugs, I don't go beating druggies or other stuff like that, but for simple things like taking a walk.

However, I do not agree that I haven't considered the given advices. Let's analyze them from my last post (once again, not going through the whole thread, just through the last post):

Breaking windows - criminal activity that I do not enjoy. In fact, I was at some old Soviet clothes factory a few years back, so I do have experience breaking windows with a tire iron or a stone. I did not enjoy it one bit.

Watching movies/shows/playing games - already said that I've done that repeatedly with all that I was interested in/could find.

Exploring the city - that is a good advice, and I already did that repeatedly. Except I missed the dangerous neighborhood, to which I refuse to go unless I'll have a weapon, preferably a ranged weapon. I could go to city outskirts, a bit further than I was so far, but if it takes me more than 1.5-2h to get there, I don't wanna do that. I would be taking a walk all day long. Unless I would have a camera, in that case there would be a "deeper purpose" for taking those walks.

Take up beliefs - Stoicism, I do not like those beliefs and am not willing to take them, same as I don't like Christianity and am not willing to believe in god.

Now that I analyzed each one of them and told a backstory on some of them, I believe that I don't fit into your post.