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Hello everyone! I've been reading threads on here for a while now and I finally found a reason to post on here! So here it goes...

Right now I am considering all these paths my life can take right now (in terms of education and then career) but I could really use some insight from people already in the field! Right now I'm attending CCNY Grove School of Engineering but I'm worried that its reputation is not on par with other engineering schools.

Here are my list of questions:
  • Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?
  • Is transferring to a different school a good idea?
  • How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?
  • Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)


I'm sure my Ne will generate more questions later on :p
 

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More or less everything I know I learnt through either practical experience or the internet.

I'm not a paid engineer, I work in retail and do my own prototypes in my own time and with my own money, so I'm not Dilbert, if you want to be Dilbert go get the sheet of paper that says you've paid your tuition fees and you're a qualified engineer now.

If that's what you want.

Me? I just want to build robots.
 

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Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?

It won't affect salary, but will affect where you can get a job. For instance if you went to a top 3 school then you would find it easier to get an interview and job at one of the top engineering companies. It's all a sliding scale however because not having a degree from a top flight school does not mean you won't get a interview or job at a top employer.

It's like everything else, meaning everything helps (where you went to school, your grades, your interview, ...)


Is transferring to a different school a good idea?

:confused: Yeah, no, I don't know? In the scale of things the engineering school you went to isn't huge. If you know your stuff it won't matter much.

How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?

Most places not at all to it will count against you somewhat. Google actually likes advanced degrees but they are the exception.

Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)

If I had it to do over I would have moved to Silicon Valley for ten years.
 

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More or less everything I know I learnt through either practical experience or the internet.

I'm not a paid engineer, I work in retail and do my own prototypes in my own time and with my own money, so I'm not Dilbert, if you want to be Dilbert go get the sheet of paper that says you've paid your tuition fees and you're a qualified engineer now.

If that's what you want.

Me? I just want to build robots.

interesting...what would you label your occupation as? (or is there no label for it?) building your own prototypes sounds pretty cool, ive always wanted to design my own products



It won't affect salary, but will affect where you can get a job. For instance if you went to a top 3 school then you would find it easier to get an interview and job at one of the top engineering companies. It's all a sliding scale however because not having a degree from a top flight school does not mean you won't get a interview or job at a top employer.

It's like everything else, meaning everything helps (where you went to school, your grades, your interview, ...)




:confused: Yeah, no, I don't know? In the scale of things the engineering school you went to isn't huge. If you know your stuff it won't matter much.



Most places not at all to it will count against you somewhat. Google actually likes advanced degrees but they are the exception.



If I had it to do over I would have moved to Silicon Valley for ten years.

thanks for the insight, its what i expected but its better to hear it from someone already in the industry. moving to silicon valley is high up on my list of future possibilities, but i hear los angeles is becoming the new silicon valley so ill see where that goes :slashnew:
 

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Whether or not a PhD will be useful depends on what you wish do in the field and what your PhD topic is. If you wish to be a R&D engineer a PhD will be helpful.

My PhD in engineering will guarantee that I will never work in the general civil engineer field. I will probably work as a statistician when I am done.
 

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but i hear los angeles is becoming the new silicon valley so ill see where that goes :slashnew:

Nope, other cities like to fancy themselves that but at best they are minor satellites. For tech Silicon Valley is #1. Next is probably Austin and Portland. Third place is Boston, LA and a few other places.
 

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Whether or not a PhD will be useful depends on what you wish do in the field and what your PhD topic is. If you wish to be a R&D engineer a PhD will be helpful.

My PhD in engineering will guarantee that I will never work in the general civil engineer field. I will probably work as a statistician when I am done.

thats good to know, i didnt realize that. havent narrowed down what kind of role i want to play yet so ill figure that out later. thanks

Nope, other cities like to fancy themselves that but at best they are minor satellites. For tech Silicon Valley is #1. Next is probably Austin and Portland. Third place is Boston, LA and a few other places.

ooh, looks like ive been misinformed :confused:
 

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ooh, looks like ive been misinformed :confused:

It's just an opinion, these kinds of things are vague guesses anyhow. But I think it's right because you can tell by the job listings, and this is what I see in tech jobs - there are more openings in Portland and Austin then there are in LA
 

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Well 10 years into the career, what will matter the most will be the last 3/4 years of employment. So, from where you are looking now the total height of the ladder will not change if you change college. Nevertheless, a better school is very likely to make your first career steps less steep.

[*]Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?
I would suggest you also take advice with other people. Not only with us INTPs. Compared to other people, we tend to overvalue knowledge and dismiss reputation. Other people think quite the contrary.

[*]Is transferring to a different school a good idea?
There is way too many factors in such decision, such as how different the 2 schools would, scholarly and financially. And how long you have been doing your course.

[*]How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?
But if you are worried about your college, one way of "correcting" that would be to make a M.Sc in a college with better reputation

[*]Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)
You seem to be rather ambitious, both intellectually and financially. Add to that being an INTP and then you are probably very self-driven. In general those characteristics should do you some good in your career but they also have side effects. Be very careful to respect your own body (enough sleep, exercises, etc) and also to respect other people. Do not let ambition go over your values.
 

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As someone who works in oil as a petroleum engineer: everything is important, depending on what you want to do. Just make sure you don't over commit. Its best to focus on what you can do and follow through completely than fail because a PhD just wasn't for you.
 

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i think i understood all of these things before starting this thread, i just needed confirmation that im headed the right way (which i got!)
so thanks for the input, i have a "plan" thought out. and ill see about that PhD when i get there, i guess. lets see if i can handle getting a masters first...:storks:
 

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i think i understood all of these things before starting this thread, i just needed confirmation that im headed the right way (which i got!)
so thanks for the input, i have a "plan" thought out. and ill see about that PhD when i get there, i guess. lets see if i can handle getting a masters first...:storks:

In Australia and the UK, if you receive first class honours (GPA>6.5) for your 4th year research thesis, you can skip masters and go directly into a PhD program.

Other than that a Bachelors degree is sufficient in getting a graduate engineering position. All of my graduating class all gained employment in the field. Well, apart from myself. I went on to do a PhD because I was offered a scholarship.
 

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Note that I am not currently working for an engineering firm, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I have, however, recently completed a computer science degree at a top-10 U.S. university.

Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?

A lot of top employers will gravitate toward more renowned schools and so it makes connecting easier and in perception, at least, more organic. With regards to salary, it only affects the job offer. Once you have shown ability through work, duration of experience and quality of work matter 10:1. At the undergraduate level, education quality and reputation are somewhat inelastic, but it depends on the school. It's at the masters and PhD level especially where reputation is the most important factor. Something to keep in mind if you plan on submatriculating.

Is transferring to a different school a good idea?

You should go somewhere you are happy, honestly. If you share some common interests with your peers, you will be much better off immediately. However, if the curriculum is too easy for you and is not offering you sufficient opportunites to hone your skills and develop your weaknesses, then it may be a good idea to look elsewhere. You want to be somewhere with a tangible energy on campus and a sense of community. If your school is lacking this, you might not be able to connect with others and should transfer.

How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?

This is a lot less straightforward than most imagine. One thing to consider is that a lot of top students are opting for masters in droves. As it is usually only 1 year of additional schoolwork (for which you can receive financial aid if you submatriculate), I would certainly consider it and do some preliminary planning once you are settled in. Master's degrees are desirable to employers, especially in engineering fields and boost the starting salary by a considerable margin.

A PhD, however, is a much different road. It is wholly research based, so you should only consider it if you love research and wouldn't mind doing nothing but it for years straight, making little money. You'll need to prove yourself with your name on a paper or two during undergraduate in order to entice the top institutions into funding you, as reputation is all that matters. That being said, engineering PhDs are the most valuable of all the potential PhDs to employers, and I argue that if you are passionate about computer science and have a talent for it (namely math), then a CS PhD just might be the most valuable thing you can get from universities for the future economy. If it's in anything else, be aware that too many employers, unfortunately, see a PhD as somewhat unemployable because they find a 30 year old without private sector experience to actually be a sketchy prospect. It's sad but it's true. Additionally, PhDs in the private sector do not enjoy a higher starting salary than those with master's degrees. If you want to be a professor or command a top position in Big Pharma, then it is your path to entry, but otherwise you probably shouldn't. Live life instead.

Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)

Challenge yourself, but don't overwork yourself. Work smart, not hard. The worst thing you can do is avoid courses that interest you because they seem too difficult. Hardship is underrated, and you'll find a lot of students picking easier majors to avoid it (in fact I think that's a big problem behind this economy's stagnation, but that's for another time). If you can find your personal limit for a given semester, sit a half step below it and make each day count. It'll be over before you know it.

Make really good friends as soon as you can because they can remain companions for life and will be your support during the tough times (there will be some, I assure you). Despite my school having average SAT scores in the mid-700s, a disgustingly large number of undergraduates were narcissistic, unexamined, blabbering brats. They took everything for granted and felt comfortable in popular contemporary opinions. It wasn't until halfway through that I really found people like myself, and I really wish I had found them sooner.

Treat it like an enrichment experience. There may not be many more times in your life where you can spend each day in a dense information network of your peers without being expected to be wholly self-sufficient. If you're really into engineering, make everything else you do separate from it. Don't be the guy who's an engineer by day and MMO addict by night. You'll spend much of the rest of your life doing what you want with your time anyway, so take this opportunity to do things that you might normally not do.
 

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Hello everyone! I've been reading threads on here for a while now and I finally found a reason to post on here! So here it goes...

Right now I am considering all these paths my life can take right now (in terms of education and then career) but I could really use some insight from people already in the field! Right now I'm attending CCNY Grove School of Engineering but I'm worried that its reputation is not on par with other engineering schools.

Here are my list of questions:
  • Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?
  • Is transferring to a different school a good idea?
  • How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?
  • Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)


I'm sure my Ne will generate more questions later on :p

you make me think I need to pee. :cat: :phear:

Hi there, I took engineering as my undergrad major, but I worked as an assistant MARKETING manager and then as a credit analyst in a BANK. :D
Yea I know, it was kinda funny and weird, that was why I quit.

  • Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?

    Reputation? Nope, only if you're graduated from such a very famous university and then you apply for jobs that there are many people that graduated from the same university with you in the top management positions.
    Your background and GPA means nothing if you apply to the famous companies, they usually will give you some tests to find out about how good is your skills.
    There are many of my friends with GPA under 2.75 or even Dropped Out with better careers than the Summa Cumlaude ones.

  • Is transferring to a different school a good idea?

    Maybe you'll get better education but it will be harder for you to study there because there are more smartass, and I believe the curriculum will be better.

  • How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?

    Master degree will boost up your salary, but PhD is unnecessary if you plan to work in the office as an employee. Only if you plan to be a professor in an university, then you need PhD degree.

  • Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)
    Just enjoy every single time when you're being a student. Remember, GPA means nothing. It's not grades on a piece of paper that makes you smarter and better from others. ;)
 

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  • Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)
    Just enjoy every single time when you're being a student. Remember, GPA means nothing. It's not grades on a piece of paper that makes you smarter and better from others. ;)

Good grades determines your salary when you leave university. The high achieving students were offered work starting at 80k where as the low achieving students were offered work stating at 50k. I was offered a job which had a salary of 100k.
 

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Good grades determines your salary when you leave university. The high achieving students were offered work starting at 80k where as the low achieving students were offered work stating at 50k. I was offered a job which had a salary of 100k.

Nope, not all companies see the GPA to recruit new employees.

Maybe this is only in my circle of friends, but most of the Summa Cumlaudes only become a regular employees--yeah sure they work in big companies-- but they're not as successful as my other friends who have GPA under 2.75 and even dropped out.
Why? Because they have many skills other than only read books and get the summa cumlaude. Many things can't be solved only by the knowledge from your college books. :phear:
 

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Nope, not all companies see the GPA to recruit new employees.

Maybe this is only in my circle of friends, but most of the Summa Cumlaudes only become a regular employees--yeah sure they work in big companies-- but they're not as successful as my other friends who have GPA under 2.75 and even dropped out.
Why? Because they have many skills other than only read books and get the summa cumlaude. Many things can't be solved only by the knowledge from your college books. :phear:

I definitely agree with you on this. Had all A's with almost all AP classes my last two years in high school, so it's not that I couldn't get spectacular grades in college. It just came to a point of diminishing marginal returns. I'd put in 12 hours of work on a problem set. This will get me a solid B or B-. If I had put in another 10, I would have gotten an A. But in those 10 hours, I could read this philosophy book, do some much needed socializing, or reflect on my day/week in a relaxing way.

Stellar grades just weren't worth my sanity, personality, and happiness. To someone else, it might be. But I knew that I knew the material at least as well as the A students, and I simply didn't care if I proved it or not.
 

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Nope, not all companies see the GPA to recruit new employees.

Maybe this is only in my circle of friends, but most of the Summa Cumlaudes only become a regular employees--yeah sure they work in big companies-- but they're not as successful as my other friends who have GPA under 2.75 and even dropped out.
Why? Because they have many skills other than only read books and get the summa cumlaude. Many things can't be solved only by the knowledge from your college books. :phear:

Don't think you are following him. I am sure the under 2.75 that became 'successful' aren't even employees, they almost always own a small company. I am also sure that there are more under 2.75 that are miserable versus above 2.75 that aren't. That being said, making a small company work is hard work.

ProxyAmenRa is talking about getting employed and being paid 80k. I sincerely don't think a company would want to hire someone who has a record of not being able to do what they are being told to do. There is a boss and there are going to be demands, those demands need to be completed. If I were a boss I'd take the guy who has consistently done the work he was demanded to do for eight years and is willing for more. To point out the obvious, employees do what they are told to do in exchange for money. The best candidate isn't the guy who had difficulty in doing in that in the first place.

The word 'successful' sounds like jargon to me in the context of career unless if there was ever a specific aim. But that is a different story.

Dedication and hard work is what counts. There are just too many damn people doing something that they don't feel dedicated to. That includes me. :D
 

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Don't think you are following him. I am sure the under 2.75 that became 'successful' aren't even employees, they almost always own a small company. I am also sure that there are more under 2.75 that are miserable versus above 2.75 that aren't. That being said, making a small company work is hard work.

ProxyAmenRa is talking about getting employed and being paid 80k. I sincerely don't think a company would want to hire someone who has a record of not being able to do what they are being told to do. There is a boss and there are going to be demands, those demands need to be completed. If I were a boss I'd take the guy who has consistently done the work he was demanded to do for eight years and is willing for more. To point out the obvious, employees do what they are told to do in exchange for money. The best candidate isn't the guy who had difficulty in doing in that in the first place.

The word 'successful' sounds like jargon to me in the context of career unless if there was ever a specific aim. But that is a different story.

Dedication and hard work is what counts. There are just too many damn people doing something that they don't feel dedicated to. That includes me. :D

Not at all, they all work in companies.
I won't tell about those who have their own business to compare with, that's ridiculous. ;)
Most of them started as programmer, there are two work in manufacturing companies.

Well okay, actually my brother dropped out from college but now he's an IT manager in Freeport. And one of my friends only has GPA 2.69 and he's a senior java developer in Experian.
 

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Not at all, they all work in companies.
I won't tell about those who have their own business to compare with, that's ridiculous. ;)
Most of them started as programmer, there are two work in manufacturing companies.

Well okay, actually my brother dropped out from college but now he's an IT manager in Freeport. And one of my friends only has GPA 2.69 and he's a senior java developer in Experian.

I was afraid of mentioning that whole computer science sector. In non-computer science related jobs, it's tough. Programming does take some intellect and effort on it's own.
 

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i have decided that i am going to stay here because i don't want to leave school with debt and ill probably find the most internships (and the best?) here in NYC compared to the rest of NY state. i think ill learn a good amount through internships way since i don't really have much of an attention span during my classes. and like most of you said, grad school is what really matters when it comes to reputation so im going to strive for a good GPA to get into a good grad school. i just hope im making the right choice, i was never one to be confident in my own convictions...
 

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Here are my list of questions:
  • Does reputation really matter, and how much will it affect my salary?
  • Is transferring to a different school a good idea?
  • How much can getting a masters/PhD in the field benefit me?
  • Is there any advice you have for a young engineering student like me? :) (any regrets?)
1) The reputation of the school matters, but, doesn't matter as much as your own skill. (See #3)
2) Transferring can be a good idea, but, see #3.
3) The more education you have, the more options you'll have. If you go beyond the BS, then the school you choose matters. Get into the very best graduate school you can get into. (Which, of course, may alter #1 and #2. After all, getting into a great graduate school may require graduating from a great BS program.)
4) Yes. Learn things outside of engineering. Trust me.

Dave
 

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Everyone needs to have access to life outside of employment. But, also, within employment, having access to more variation makes you a better candidate.
 

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Everyone needs to have access to life outside of employment. But, also, within employment, having access to more variation makes you a better candidate.

ooh i see. definitely, i have a wide array of interests, even if i dont have the time/attention span to go in depth with each of them. i embrace my Ne often :D
 
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