Merged: The 5 INTP subtypes

[Perseus]

Hello,

Which type of INTP are you?

http://tinyurl.com/yb4ufj

I do not fit into any of the categories, which rules me out as an INTP. Nearer a combination of 1 & 2 with a little bit of 5.

Phoenix XNXP from Neptune
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Auburn]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Interesting...
I was #3 growing up, then went to #4, and then went to something that's not on this list of options.

This leaves out one of the most important types of INTPs.

Is there not a type which is the psychologist? the sage? the "Gandalf" type. The type who is fascinated with logical purity, true, but also with humanity.

 

[Jennywocky]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I didn't really identify with any. They were all caricatures.

Is there not a type which is the psychologist? the sage? the "Gandalf" type. The type who is fascinated with logical purity, true, but also with humanity.

Wait -- I think I found my niche.

I think the person who created the other types hasn't yet reached a point where they've experienced INTPs with a vested interest in (and ability to communicate with) the bulk of humanity.

I've always had a spiritual/human growth side. I don't know what the answers are, but I always had to search for them and figure out how to become a "better person" ... and help others do that as well. (Commitment to Growth?)

So all of that "logic" and critical thinking and imagination that normally gets used as defensive mechanisms by young INTPs, resulting in most of those other types, is instead channeled to understand the complexities of human behavior and potential. Instead of pulling away, you try to engage people.

 

[grey matters]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I read this last night when I was fritzing around the internet. It sounds like the person who wrote this was a #5 and this was his way of saying "I'm cool and the rest of you are loosers and assholes." I don't fall into any of those categories and I am inclined to believe that nobody else on this site would fit into any of those catagories (at least not 100%), although some may fantiaize about the exciting benifits of being type #5.

 

[FusionKnight]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I'd say I'm a healthy balance of #3 and #5... it sounds like I'm ordering combo meals from the local fast food joint...

 

[Death]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

You can't put me into any subtype,I can be whatever I want,I identify with descriptions with all the odd numbered subtypes.Most of them are just baseless stereotypes.

 

[NoID10ts]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I'm #5 without a doubt. Except that I don't play any instruments and I've been married too long and have to many kids to partake in all the gratuitous "laying".

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I read this last night when I was fritzing around the internet. It sounds like the person who wrote this was a #5 and this was his way of saying "I'm cool and the rest of you are loosers and assholes." I don't fall into any of those categories and I am inclined to believe that nobody else on this site would fit into any of those catagories (at least not 100%), although some may fantiaize about the exciting benifits of being type #5.

I actually agree with you.

Number 5 is INTJ (I know quite a few of these) and the sage (but not Gandalf) religious number 4 one is INFP. Nerds, number 3 are IXTP, a cross between a Bear and an Eagle.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I was mildly offended by all of the types. And sure, #5 is the "good" subtype, but it's description is a little unrealistic and digs it's heels into the other types even more... which makes it offensive.

Perseus, you're out of touch with reality. It is unfortunate that you ever discovered type theory, because now we have to deal with your insane rogue ideas.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Perseus, you're out of touch with reality.

That's a Judgement trait. You can be INTP acting out of character. Only Guardians (SJ) maintain a reality schemata.

High level Perceivers say:

There's a Hole in Reality through which We Can Look if We Wish (John Steinbeck)

ALDOUS HUXLEY The substitution of simple intellectual schemata for the complexities of reality. ISAIAH BERLIN History is reducible to a natural science or a metaphysical or theological schema. E. H. GOMBRICH The schemata and patterns an artist has learned to handle.

 

[Decaf]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I'm definately with Jenny, which makes sense considering the subtle sense of competition I feel when I read your posts I'm curious what other avenues an INTP might take toward becoming more altruistic aside from psychology.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Ps: INTPs are not sarcastic; they go straight from politeness to caustic missing out sarcastic which is reserved for other types. This is one unfortunate trait I have that gets me into terrible trouble.

Acid Bath Murderer.

 

[Decaf]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Ps: INTPs are not sarcastic; they go straight from politeness to caustic missing out sarcastic which is reserved for other types. This is one unfortunate trait I have that gets me into terrible trouble.

Acid Bath Murderer.

I disagree completely. I am sarcastic with lots of my friends and family.

 

[Jesin]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Ps: INTPs are not sarcastic; they go straight from politeness to caustic missing out sarcastic which is reserved for other types. This is one unfortunate trait I have that gets me into terrible trouble.

Acid Bath Murderer.

I'm pretty sure that's just a "you" trait, because it's definitely not an INTP trait.

 

[flow]

Those 5 subtypes seemed wildly inaccurate. I don't personally identify with any of them.

Oh and PS: If INTPs aren't sarcastic, I don't know who is.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

That's a Judgement trait. You can be INTP acting out of character. Only Guardians (SJ) maintain a reality schemata.

High level Perceivers say:

There's a Hole in Reality through which We Can Look if We Wish (John Steinbeck)

ALDOUS HUXLEY The substitution of simple intellectual schemata for the complexities of reality. ISAIAH BERLIN History is reducible to a natural science or a metaphysical or theological schema. E. H. GOMBRICH The schemata and patterns an artist has learned to handle.

You take the attitude that if you aren't any of those INTP subtypes then it rules you out of being INTP. THAT is why you're out of touch with reality- whatever logic system you use it's not one I'm familiar with. (Heh: maybe we can have a new MBTI judging-function. Thinking, Feeling, peRseus. I'm typing you now: You're INRP, "The Dodo bird".)

Usually I would just ignore what you said... but I actively disagree with everything involved here. An acceptable way to share these subtypes with us would have been "haha, look at some subtypes someone wrote about INTPs".

Taking it from a literal "oh, you must be one of these subtypes" is the wrong attitude. And even if these subtypes are true, they're not helpful to us because they're all negatively focused! Really, just re-read them again.

I can almost fit into a few of the types, and I resent the assumptions that go along with it. I was bullied in elementary school, and maybe I was "crushed" a little because in the follow middle and high school I was very quiet and shy. And recently I've been getting into religion- someone who took those subtypes would cast me as #4 (Religious Fanatic) and ridicule my situation and my inability to rationalize with the real world.

That document was written for all the wrong reasons. I'm surprised you didn't see that.

And even more... you were applying non-INTP types to these subtypes? It's really like you're picking and chosing when to apply the MBTI, and you're applying them on different levels. It's absurd.

 

[EloquentBohemian]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I did not like the descriptions and thought they were demeaning and insulting. There may have been an element of irony in them, but that is beside the point.

Is there not a type which is the psychologist? the sage? the "Gandalf" type. The type who is fascinated with logical purity, true, but also with humanity.

This is my question also, though I relate to Merlin more than Gandalf. In all the delieations of INTP I've read, this seems to be missing, or I have missed it.

I've always had a spiritual/human growth side. I don't know what the answers are, but I always had to search for them and figure out how to become a "better person" ... and help others do that as well. (Commitment to Growth?)

I think this is what drew me to Astrology, and the fact that it was odd enough to investigate. I tore it apart and reconstructed it so that the elements which were questionable and arbitrary in foundation were sublimated to the more empirical elements. With this tool, I have engendered my own 'growth' and assisted that in others.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

i would have to say that these descriptions were written as a joke. i read these a while back on INTPc i think, and everyone there seemed to think they were hilarious. i found them funny in a self-depricating way, but even funnier is that people took them seriously.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I'm pretty sure that's just a "you" trait, because it's definitely not an INTP trait.

Type profiles identify this sarcastic trait with a type which is not INTP.

The very experienced aware people will know the types without looking them up (if they are behaving true to type and not acting as they are expected to).

My first guess is right. It is a INTJ trait. Half the people on this forum are INTJs.

http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ_per.html

 

[loveofreason]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

i would have to say that these descriptions were written as a joke. i read these a while back on INTPc i think, and everyone there seemed to think they were hilarious. i found them funny in a self-depricating way, but even funnier is that people took them seriously.

Exactly. All tongue-in-cheek and not worth the effort getting offended by. Laugh instead.

Oh. and anyone who lets themselves get baited into an "I'm not an INTJ" argument, loses.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

From a character writer's point of view (should I care to be one, which would only be for the dosh), the profiles are rather interesting. It could be INTPs acting (by the demands of society) using their auxiliary modes to a more or less degree. Quenk has something on this and is probably the authority. And what are the types but character profiles?

Number Five: the girl ones get laid a lot, so they say, in and out of relationships. Maybe, I am missing the cues. It is usually the ENFPs that are the trophy hunters (dirt diggers) amongst the girls. A Weasel (malignants that fabricate stories) done me in, or rather provoked an ambush attack (nearly murdered) on me.

Portrait of the resistance fighter whore getting into bed with the enemy chief to find out the secrets. Your imagination can do the rest.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

You take the attitude that if you aren't any of those INTP subtypes then it rules you out of being INTP. THAT is why you're out of touch with reality- whatever logic system you use it's not one I'm familiar with. (Heh: maybe we can have a new MBTI judging-function. Thinking, Feeling, peRseus. I'm typing you now: You're INRP, "The Dodo bird".)

I can almost fit into a few of the types, and I resent the assumptions that go along with it. I was bullied in elementary school, and maybe I was "crushed" a little because in the follow middle and high school I was very quiet and shy. And recently I've been getting into religion- someone who took those subtypes would cast me as #4 (Religious Fanatic) and ridicule my situation and my inability to rationalize with the real world.

That document was written for all the wrong reasons. I'm surprised you didn't see that.

. It's absurd.

Crush is usually by the Pony Girl or the Stalking Horse (ESFJ). These are usually very obvious.

Look up Absurdism on Wikipedia: it is the modern religion (or lack of), the Corporation T-shirt as advocated by Margaret Thatcher and the colonialists.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Without the benefit of education, Type 2 (Golden Boy) probably reverts to Type 5 (unless they want to be a Nerd!), as the psycho-social circumstances dictate, which really means the behaviour of the land owners and their Guardians (SJ) and the colonial empire.

Unless they get caught in the God/Idealist net. Intimidation victims (like me) but I am not an INFP, so I can think my way out of this trap. Whether, I have got enough dosh is a different matter!

The Dragons (INFP) hide from the Guards in their Thundersbarrow.

 

[Ogion]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

[...]Oh. and anyone who lets themselves get baited into an "I'm not an INTJ" argument, loses.

Haha, i was just about to set off, then i read your post and thought: "Right, don't feed the trolls. Don't fee them..."

Thanks lor
Ogion

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Haha, i was just about to set off, then i read your post and thought: "Right, don't feed the trolls. Don't fee them..."

Thanks lor
Ogion

That's the INXP response. Nearer to my type. Are you resolute about this?

 

[Ogion]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

You know, i don't want to be offensive, and i certainly am not prejudging you, but no single one of your posts does make sense to me. It seems to me that you just seem to write in English but rather you are writing in some technical terminology only inherent to your specific about MBTI+animals and stuff...

Ogion

 

[Decaf]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

It wouldn't hurt to proof read your posts for grammar from time to time. There's usually enough confusing sentences in a post that I'm not entirely sure what it is you're trying to express as an opinion.

Half the people on this forum are INTJs.

<refrains from saying "Dem's fightin' words">

Don't you mean Hawk?

As a complete aside, just for the sake of your theory... Eagles and Hawks have no taxonimical difference. They are different in the same way that Hondas are from Toyotas. Its all about who named them and has very little to do with the biology or psychology of the birds themselves.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Just testing.

The Weasel and Pony have been confirmed by criminal psychologists. They can be dangerous. The weasel is like an evil journalist (or just somebody malicious) that makes up stories about people. The pony is a nymphomaniac. Just don't marry them.

 

[Jesin]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Don't you mean Hawk?

Nooo! He had started using terminology we could understand, making his posts slightly less incomprehensible. Now he's back to his own terminology again. Why did you do that?

 

[Decaf]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Just testing.

The Weasel and Pony have been confirmed by criminal psychologists. They can be dangerous. The weasel is like an evil journalist (or just somebody malicious) that makes up stories about people. The pony is a nymphomaniac. Just don't marry them.

Maliciousness is a behavioral choice and nymphomania is a psychological disorder. Are you suggesting that those are inherent in people's genetic personalities?

Nooo! He had started using terminology we could understand, making his posts slightly less incomprehensible. Now he's back to his own terminology again. Why did you do that?

I'm more comfortable with his using his own terminology, because even though he sometimes uses our words, he's still referring to his own theory. Not that I understand what he's saying, but at least it makes more sense why.

 

[Jesin]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I'm more comfortable with his using his own terminology, because even though he sometimes uses our words, he's still referring to his own theory. Not that I understand what he's saying, but at least it makes more sense why.

OK, fine.

 

[krisa]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

bwahahaha.. hehe
i am VERY MUCH no. 5

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

Odds on Golden Boy marries a Pony girl (ESFJ). These can be a nightmare.

The cynical realist has morph-shifted to INTJ. The religious one has morph-shifted to INFP. The Nerd and Liberal are not aware, the N scores are lowish or at aspect is denied.

I expect I am a Phoenix (to be described). In essence, the Phoenix needs to be a fur-lined prison (ISTP), a spaceship with Guards (Blake's Seven, but Blake got killed), but I would like to end up on Babylon Five under attack by Earthlings and tracked down by Bester like a hunted animal. Not a golden spoon but a climate of persistent Bullying (ESTJ) looking for a refuge from the storm, hunted by the Wolf Pack (ENTJ) and Horsemen (ESFJ).

But Garibaldi the chief Guard (ESXJ) on Babylon Five was doctored and compromised, tricked into betrayal.

 

[Bufferkiller]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I'm number five, if you cut out the self absorbed bullshit the writer put into it.

 

[Perseus]

Re: Which type of INTP are you?

I have added two rare types.

The Recluse. Hides away in a fortress.

The Thespian. A serious actor rather that the travelling performer. (These can be mistaken for Gypsies and persecuted.)

The essence of all types is they are hated by the Horsemen (ESFJ). The religious types, the nerds, and the married golden boy (to a Pony girl) are OK because they are not a threat. Number Five are a threat to married types, but are crafty enough to get out of trouble by having partners.

I don't know about the Liberal Losers. I expect they may shack with unsuitable partners like a damaged ISFJ.

I should have chosen a Ferret (ENFP) when younger. This is another type not recorded anywhere. I did not appreciate them at the time, coming out of a disaster with a ISTP. Iwas more Dragon-like (INFP) then, and I was a Shooting Star (which should have led on to number 5) but I was out of work.

 

[Staywhatyouare]

The 5 INTP subtypes

Obviously written as a joke, but do you think there's any truth to these? Do any of these describe you at all? I'd say a mixture of aspects of Liberal Lose and Cynical Realist would describe me the best.



"1) Liberal Loser:
This INTP subtype tends to let an overwhelming sense of social injustice often due to their inability to control their immature feelings cloud their logic. Too much weed, or not enough, smoked at the peace rallies they attend with their overwhelmingly illogical SP soul mates typically add to the feelings of social injustice. They tend to rationalize everything around them in black and whites and gross generalities, by spouting off cliches and urban myths as fact. They are the classic pseudo intellectual, who look for social injustices in the way that INTPs are generally thought to look for facts, and are always ready to spout off why something is bad or wrong based upon one of their illogical findings, which they consider "conventional wisdom" or "common sense". Unfortunately, as an INTP, they don't actually do anything about it, just complain about it on groups such as the INTPopen.

2) Golden Boy (or girl):
This INTP subtype is as rare to see as a baby pigeon, as they tend to be physics professors, philosophy professors, professional programmers for prestigious universities or international companies, or as government analysts for the CIA and NSA. They are rarely seen, but when they are, it is typically due to personal issues that they need to whine about on internet lists, such as "my wife is a crazy bitch" or "I have no friends, I want someone to love me". They tend to be blind to the plight of their lesser INTP brethren because they have been given a golden spoon, accelerated classes in grade school, honors classes in high school, and full scholarships to MIT and Princeton. They tend to be very strange, as they are successful enough to not know or care how to bathe or take care of themselves, and tend to dress very poorly, and are incapable of brushing their hair. They tend to marry the first woman who lays them in their late 20's or early 30's, but eventually end up with their wives cheating on them with their more "normal" colleagues in the Business Administration department, but never tend to notice anyway, because they are too busy and engrossed in their esoteric work for any human activities.

3) Classic Nerds:
Similar to golden boys without the golden spoons, they tend to be intelligent, yet utterly incapable of holding a jargon free conversation. Most normal humans are incapable of communication with them outside of topics such as Star Trek, role-playing games, or the latest Matrix movie. To most, they appear asexual (and tend to BE asexual). They tend to get low level programming jobs, teach computer science at the local community college, or unemployed creating annoying email viruses while living in their parent's basement in a rat-hole filled with moldy pizza and empty potato chip bags. If they find a woman at all, it tends to be in their late 20's to mid 30's, when they realize that the odd human mating rituals involve things such as bathing and clean laundry, however, fortunately, they tend to attract others of the same subtype for mating – greasy overweight slobs, or Auschwitz- skinny freaks with coke bottle glasses, and can easily be spotted together with dyed black hair, wearing matching "Card Captor Sakura" t-shirts while browsing the latest additions to the anime section at blockbuster, while talking about their latest goth festival or roll playing gathering.

4) Religious Fanatic:
This type has given internal logic up for the external imposition of logic. This is usually due to severe bullying and ridicule as a child, which causes this INTP to be crushed to an empty shell – the perfect vessel for religion. These INTPs have no need for mere objective logic; they become masters of their religion, able to counter any argument logically within the confines of said religion. They accept the tenets and scriptures on "faith", and then feed it into their pool of logic. This type of INTP is incapable of losing an argument as they can creatively invent new logic off of old ideas. If their religion tells them the sun is a big chocolate square, they WILL FIND A WAY to deflect any argument that points out that the sun, in fact, is not a big chocolate square at all. The easiest way to end a debate with this type is "you are right" (due to the fact that they are incapable of being wrong, as that would require more pages of the dead sea scrolls which have yet to turn up).

5) Cynical Realist:
This type of INTP has seen the world, and realized that they want no part of it, except where they can get knowledge, experience, and entertainment from it. They see life for what it is, a big cosmic joke, and often wonder if they should laugh or cry, but otherwise just say the hell with it, and go get laid. They tend to be sarcastic and funny, are world travelers, and can blend in to any environment, and they tend to get laid a lot. They also tend to be fairly well educated, yet stuck in worthless and meaningless jobs, both because the people around them are idiots and because they don't have the mindless compulsion to kiss ass to move up in life. They are the street philosopher, the beat poet, the writers, and fountains of knowledge and wisdom. They tend to play multiple instruments, and just generally look cool and sexy. Their experience is as wide as their knowledge is deep, and tend to be very observant, and get laid a whole lot. They shower regularly, dress well yet comfortably, tend to be sexy in a low key sort of way, and tend to score easily with members of the opposite sex. Although their living quarters tend to appear disorganized, it is an organized disorganization, arranged in such a way as to be easy to get from the bed to the door, and back without interruption. This subtype also tends to like to party, likes to go out for drinks, can get along with pretty much anyone, and tends to get laid more than any other subtype of INTP.

"

taken from: http://homepage.mac.com/bahlberg/iblog/B1386252977/C715152919/E467503953/index.html

 

[Jesin]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

We already have this thread.

 

[Ogion]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

Yea, i approved of it anyways. Perhaps this way all the newcomers can comment on it without having everything already said

Ogion

 

[grey matters]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

Great, can I just post a link to my old reply?

 

[Jesin]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

Yea, i approved of it anyways. Perhaps this way all the newcomers can comment on it without having everything already said

Ogion

We usually handle this sort of thing with a thread merge...

 

[Ogion]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

Yea, true. Go ahead if you want to, i am too lazy right now, perhaps later

Ogion

 

[sagewolf]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

It's so nice to know that we have such diligent moderators on our forum.

I think I'm the fifth one. "Sarcastic and funny" describes me very well (even though sometimes people simply don't get it at all, there are a couple of people who I can always get laughing), and the rest of it is mostly me as well (there is indeed a path from bed to door in the mess on the floor of my room). Even if I'm not close to many people I can usually fit in with any group for a little while, I like to learn in school but don't care about acclaim or overall results as much, and I'm an artist and a writer, and I play trumpet (kinda).

Oh, yeah, and apparently my college years are going to be fun.

 

[grey matters]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

^^Well, at least with type #5 you can count the number of times you get laid to prove your hypothesis that you actually are type #5.

Have I mentioned yet that I think the 5 INTP subtypes are bullshit, or did I do this the last time a thread like this was started?

 

[Luzian]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

Have I mentioned yet that I think the 5 INTP subtypes are bullshit, or did I do this the last time a thread like this was started?

I agree. It seems the person who wrote this, felt out of place with most INTPs, so he wrote this to separate himself from the rest. He's obviously self-proclaimedly type 5.

 

[sagewolf]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

He probably did. Either that or he decided that the Myers-Briggs system was too simple for him and subsequently devised a new subsystem to further divide his own type. Because we INTPs just love making up systems.

If they aren't bullshit (or, as Staywhatyouare suggested, a big joke), then type 5 probably describes about 80+ percent of INTPs. The INTP as described in most profiles of the type.

 

[Perseus]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

The Western system seems to compel a choice of one or a combination of these five types. Maybe the Eastern system with the Mongol raiders as well. It is very depressing.

I can't operate Type Five without stimulants as it it is too depressing.

 

[Jesin]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

Threads merged.

 

[hopefulmonster]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

This screams satire.

 

[Perseus]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

This screams satire.

No, its real. The Guards (SJ) hate you/me/us and you had better get that through your head. Satire is a side issue. The real issue is to hide your true intentions and don't wear your heart on your sleeve like an Idealist (NF). These Guardian bastards will ambush in a back alley and steal your soul, if they could.

 

[hopefulmonster]

Re: The 5 INTP subtypes

No, its real. The Guards (SJ) hate you/me/us and you had better get that through your head. Satire is a side issue. The real issue is to hide your true intentions and don't wear your heart on your sleeve like an Idealist (NF). These Guardian bastards will ambush in a back alley and steal your soul, if they could.

Stop touching my mind! It tickles and makes me taste lemons.