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[Grayman]

What decision? About drugs?
never had a choice...

His right to choose was voided.

 

[Pizzabeak]

How long, exactly, have you been in the void?

 

[The Void]

How long, exactly, have you been in the void?

Don't remember.
I am still not perfectly out there or may be.
But I am kinda there. Each the I move closer to the Void or Void comes closer to me or I don't know what the hell is happening .
It started about 2 years ago I guess, (keeping cause and effect in mind it cannot be traced back into when it exactly started but the process started becoming more prominent at that time)

 

[The Void]

His right to choose was voided.

I had no opportunity.
My opportunity was voided.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Don't remember.
I am still not perfectly out there or may be.
But I am kinda there. Each the I move closer to the Void or Void comes closer to me or I don't know what the hell is happening .
It started about 2 years ago I guess, (keeping cause and effect in mind it cannot be traced back into when it exactly started but the process started becoming more prominent at that time)

What about support aspects? Food, water, accomodation? Do you have these things from your work/self sufficiency?

 

[The Void]

What about support aspects? Food, water, accomodation? Do you have these things from your work/self sufficiency?

http://www.anandavala.info/miscl/I_Am_That.pdf

It just like this guy says, the mind and body, just works like always, though influenced but it just works, thinks just happens, without much effort, almost spontaneous. So it is all pretty normal. I drink eat all normally.

I had been walking and then I stopped and realized I had been walking yet not at all conscious about I am walking.
I stopped one day and realized, I am going on like a puppet following conditionings and impulses and reflexes, a robot working on programmings, but the major portion of attention is beyond in the void in peace and detachment,

Awareness is like a light that brings illumination to the mindless workings of the mind, it creates some illusion that we have perfect control, whereas most of the process are unconscious.

By meditating, and consciousness evolution, one may gain more control, unconsciousness will dissolve and one may gain God like abilities,

But Void is just simple awareness, the light of awareness, the original essense, just my focus is attached to the void and the workings of my mind and body is like a passing movie. (nothing about power)

I feel depressed, sadness and happiness, but all that really don't affect me. The Void part of me remains same when mental states changes.....

There is always a part that is constant as long as 'you are', the part is Void, it is always there, mental states and all are impermanent, fleeting moments.

When the sense One is just focused on the natural or primary self.....then one remains as something.....eh only direct experience can speak...

I don't know what happens why happens, or even if there is really any reason or really any good and bad... but these all just happens.......

But I still don't know if I am really on some correct path or even if there really is any path or whatever.

But lately I am getting used to meditation. I'll just see what happens.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Can you describe your process of meditation? What type of benefits from the induced state is being sought? Do you see colors?

Recently, I had a roommate that tried to get me to meditate with him a few times but I wasn't exactly sure what he was up to. I'm sure it would take practice and the more one does it the more the thing is apparent. However, sitting there in that manner just seemed all too familiar so that any lower levels or beginning stages of the meditating discipline seemed almost unnecessary.. I think it might be possible to inadvertently meditate so that certain mental states or states of being don't require the traditional from of meditation. It could be a discipline that allows increased understanding of things via further competency; many disciplines exist and mediation might be a specific one. But, if it promotes forms of spiritual growth would one want to argue against it (people argue against religion)?

The roommate seemed to have been meditating for a while, and he would ask if I "felt it" or understood what was going on but he could have just been testing. I wasn't exactly sure what their goal was, but I'm sure if I devoted more time a day on a weekly basis to the activity I might be able to be more of a proponent of it. There were vague feelings of what was supposed to be happening, but again the same thing could probably happen while laying down in bed at night waiting to fall asleep.

how alive? too alive?

 

[DelusiveNinja]

If you don't give a shit about human interactions, you're losing information that can frame a lot of the big picture of how the world actually works with a diversity of people... you've just limited your perspective.

*head abruptly hits the table in awe*

 

[The Void]

Can you describe your process of meditation? What type of benefits from the induced state is being sought? Do you see colors?

Recently, I had a roommate that tried to get me to meditate with him a few times but I wasn't exactly sure what he was up to. I'm sure it would take practice and the more one does it the more the thing is apparent. However, sitting there in that manner just seemed all too familiar so that any lower levels or beginning stages of the meditating discipline seemed almost unnecessary.. I think it might be possible to inadvertently meditate so that certain mental states or states of being don't require the traditional from of meditation. It could be a discipline that allows increased understanding of things via further competency; many disciplines exist and mediation might be a specific one. But, if it promotes forms of spiritual growth would one want to argue against it (people argue against religion)?

The roommate seemed to have been meditating for a while, and he would ask if I "felt it" or understood what was going on but he could have just been testing. I wasn't exactly sure what their goal was, but I'm sure if I devoted more time a day on a weekly basis to the activity I might be able to be more of a proponent of it. There were vague feelings of what was supposed to be happening, but again the same thing could probably happen while laying down in bed at night waiting to fall asleep.

how alive? too alive?

I don't really meditate much.
In school once upon a time I felt something tingly in between the eye brows and chose to focus on it coz it was fun and It kept on focusing because of a pleasing feeling and so it was easy to do it. Hours passed by and something happened, felt like some reactions started in that position, and then when I closed my eyes I didn't saw what I used to see but felt like an extra depth had added.
Then days passed, and I kept on playing with the tingly sensation and my closed eye vison (which felt like a dark wide space, sometimes kinda like stars and stuff were there ) and then with practice I started to see colors which eyes were closed.

Then I did some meditation (just lied down and calmed down nothing more) and with more inner silence colors brighten and then when I partly open my eyes, the colors were visible still in the real world (outside closed eyes).

I also started playing with what they call 'chi'.

Just kept my hand with the gravity and calmed down and started to feel stuff in the hand, windy, tingly, magnetic push and pull, cold cold (sensations vary from people to people).

Then when by keeping my two hands near each other I could create a sensation as if I am holding an invisble ball like thing. I can't do anything with it though.
It may not be even anything mystical. But if I make the ball and close my eyes and focus, and open partly I can see the colors, are more prominent in the ball area.

In the darkness it is all the better.
The colors (kinda gas like fire like, Violet fires most of the time) are visible even in naked eyes (it happened after I did whatever I did in the area between the brows (which they say : The third eye)) and if I focus chi colors becomes promonent.

It is like dragon ball Z (all those colors, auras, chi balls) but it doesn't do anything, like telekinesis, or blow things up (may be it can if I master it).

Then when I meditated (at the beginning, I just didn't care and lied down and relaxed as much as I can: and I had nothing much to worry about so it was not so hard) and I could feel all these wierd sensations in the body.

Sometimes I could feel some liquid things flowing from my head. (but there was no water or stuff on the surface: All internal process: May be some chemicals?)

I hadn't any spiritual vision type of experiences (only some rare psychic sense like intuition or precognition (with started happening after awakening the third eye),
but once I felt universal love bliss stuff, and intense energy\or whatever I don't know. And once I had a vision that its all subjective)

But I was too lazy to meditate. I still am. I passed more times spamming on internet and gaming, and started to lose touch with it, then I again gained some stuff by getting away from computer and then again lost touch and it started an infinite loop going nowhere.

(also the first time I seriously meditated (lying down) I felt some slimiy thing (the feeling was like a line of ants walking through my body) rised up to my crown and there started some reaction some energy(or whatever who knows what?) movements that lasted more years. )

But as years past, the less I practice, I got terrible with all these, my psychic sense is below average, (any average people has some little intuition ), colors that I used to see got faded more and more, and all got crazy, and that made me even more repelled from all these and depressed.

I wanted power, psychich superhuman powers! Higher consciousness, enlightenment and all that.

Then I realized that I was just chasing behind my tails, all this selfish seeking to go beyond humanity goes nowhere (yes it goes but it doesnt lead to true perfection, you may turn Godly masters but not truly perfect) and then I stopped seeking.

Now a days I meditate in normal ways (sitting in normal posture) just attain some inner silence, without expecting anything, without attaching or involving with mental chatter. And I am getting quite used to it. I do meditate but for nothing.
Just to 'be'.
To 'be' in the silence of the Void.

Ye colors comes, I feel strange stuffs, going on, and I let things happen on its own.

It reduces restlessness, and connects me with my true inner nature, emptiness, and helps me to survive in the most boring situations without being bored.
I am just 'be-ing'. A silent witness.

(I came to the state of indifference in which nothing much affects me, (yes I feel fear, depression, happiness, but very little and they don't even affect me, more like watching a 4D film, feeling the emotions from a detached perspective the real me standing beyond just experiencing them all and most of the time my emotion is just null.) I don't know why what is happening and I don't care. There is no real reason, things just happens.)

Spoiler

(they say that when one meditates without expectation or anything then they get close to true enlightenment, yes, may be I am gonna become a real enlightened guru soon but I don't care seriously.)

 

[The Void]

According to some of the works of some specific self claimed enlightened people (most of the gurus are just narcissist, (You are human with flaws and ego! Obey me! respect me! I have transcended the self , a fully awakened soul muhahahhahahah!! Give me money, bow before me! you a girl? Come sleep with me! Hey you disciples maintain celibacy, never contact with opposite sex. This is the scenario most of the time lol)), I have found some of them to be pretty 'realistic' because they focuses on negation of every belief systems of hocus focus mumbo jumbo, social construction.

They don't promote all the powerful spiritual experiences about moments of infinite bliss, oneness with the universe, kundalini awakening, seeing light within and all that stuff, because they seemed to see them as just feeting moments and not really bringing much of a real psychological change but just addition to memory and when people find one moment to be pleasant they again seek behind such experiences and just end up as slaves.

They also didn't promote higher levels of consciousness and altered states and all that, and also wasn't interested in saikick powers like remote viewing, clairvoyance and other superhuman powers though apparently they believed those existed and cultivable but they didn't care a bit about them.

They say there can be strong spiritual experiences which may just some psychological things, strong insights, some people can have great powers, or easy access to altered states of consciousness and all that but still may not be liberated or truly mature.

They don't really denounce all this spiritual powers, but they just mean that there is no real relation between all that mumbo jumbo with true liberation or maturity.

One of them said this thing: A man seeking for a woman is innocent in front of so called spiritual guys seeking permanent bliss.

The point is spirituality appears to be about restricting bhogya or material enjoyment but yet hypocirtically most of the time it is associated with greed of even more pleasure and bliss and all that.

These people promoted the simplicity of the state of pure awareness. These people though experienced powerful spiritual visions and experiences were not attached to them and later they even stopped having or cultivating such experienced.

They supported the simplicity of just 'being'.

Just as psychology said, man is a work of stimulis, memorie,s habits and conditionings.
There are multiple selves.
There is no one 'I'.
There is no centre of I (soul).
The I dies and a new 'I' gets created every moment.

So these guys negated associated with their own mind, body and all of that, they talked about the thing that always is, that is the thing that creates the illusion of continuity of 'I'.

What is it?
Simple awareness.

Degree of consciousness changes. (like while sleeping consciousness becomes very dim)
But the simple pure awareness is always the same, even when you become mad due to physcial changes.

THey called this state of pure awareness as the pure being, the silent witness, but they also called something about going beyond that to the absolute source of all these, which I don't know much about.

Also they spoke about non-duality of experiencer and experience which is true, because without experience there is no experiencer and without experiencer there is no experience and it is because of this buddha said there is no independant do-er or self (soul) that the philosophers preached at Buddha's time.

And you may have noticed, that the work is best when the sense of self (ego) disappears and you become the action itself.

When you find sometime to interesting and you get lost in it, completely dissolved, and any sesne of 'I am seeing it and all that' disappears, that is when the best work is done.

It is like getting lost in the art while drawing it.

SO one guy also promoted this thing, about this spontaneous action, (getting completely lost in the present moment, becoming the moment itself which I found to be true from my experience).

Whenever an 'I' comes out, trouble comes out, you start to interpret, judge and think all stuffs, you start to think 'oh it is boring' 'oh it is this, well wahetevr' or 'about future stuff'
and you lose the moment.

(But getting lost in thought is also living in the present, no?).

But the problem is which you think about denying something, and still ahve to do it, then it gets troublesome, and suffering occurs, at that moment if one can let go of the 'I' and mix with the experience completely it can be fun and better works can be done this way.

( the masters do without doing and that is why their work is so great or something like that was written in Tao Te ching, I think)

But these stuff I can understand.

Also the theory of all is one I can understand, like my body is not an isolated system, it is continously interacting with universe to grow and all that so in a sense the whole universe in my body (just like my organs within are workng together in harmony to maintain the body, my body and universe is working together too) and then when I die, my body will change form, decompose (or it will be incinerated to ash and mix with the air (thats what happens here)).
So it is an interdependant system.

But some of these guys (who did say a lot of practical things) also made a claim that the pure aware state is all there is, all is within the consciousness, the world is within us not we within the world just like in a dream (where we are the whole world, the dream and the dreamer)
(in a sense it is true because whatever we see is under consciousness but if things exist outside it or not it is impossible to know because if I go beyond consciousness then there will be no 'me' left to percieve whats beyond but the point is we can't know, but how is that guy so sure that there is nothing outside?) and also that the pure awareness is eternal, it was always there, and always will be, birthless and thus deathless, body and mind was born, those will die, infact the mind dies pretty much every moment, but the pure and the simple awareness is eternal : which I am not so sure about. May be I need enlightenment for that? )

Well in the end it is more fun without any 'binding' desires expectations, or any power of predictions or control over life, I let life unfold itself, uncertainty is the real fun.

When you can control and have absolute power, there is no fun.

So I just 'be'. I don't run behind power and control anymore.

( I still do but it is just for fun, without any serious expectation or stuff)

I do meditation when I feel like, and I do it for the sake of nothing,
I just get into inner silence, I let thoughts come and go without interfering or involving in it,
if I get involved and then realize it I get detached again and continue, with more adaptation, thoughts lessen too, mind get silent too. And then I pretty much spontaneously stop meditating.

I pretty much have no control. Things went on happening. Just like I am just going on typing. It all works pretty much on it's own.

I just go with the flow, without resisting anything not even resistance (now it is confusing isn't it? not resisting resistance? But I don't think about all these stuff, because I don't feel like)

When my inner nature get more and more centred in the pure state of awareness and just 'be', mind and body automatically balances and adapts, becomes more and more silent, and just works on their own just like my heart is beating on its own, nose is breathing on it's own,
All goes on on its own, why stress trying control it? Its more fun to not know, and see things happen.