Merged: Nobody's insulted in this thread: Is insulting another person even a bad or morally reprehen

[redbaron]

Fukyo m8 u r cruisin' 4 a bruisin'

 

[Fukyo]

das me clawin da fuk out of ur ginger ass m8 i'm gonna chew the top of ur skull off and spit ur brane out gonna shoot u like a somalian pirate from my yacht den we'll see who's cruisin 4 a bruisin sucker

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Re: Is insulting another person even a bad or morally reprehensible thing to do?

The more insulted the victim feels, the greater the truth the perpetrator has called upon.

Thus, should one be punished for tending to call out the truth?

What kind of society will the extreme bring about...? Maybe one in which nobody speaks out for fear of being punished for what they say?

There's an argument to be had that insults are actually a good thing, objectively, for the victim, regardless of the perpetrator's intention. This is because pain causes growth. Desensitization to the object (or word) that causes pain is beneficial in the long run. Thus, insults serve to free you from the bonds the keep you from fully enjoying life.

Whatever, I think that insulting is different from showing the truth so that the person understands.
Insluting is just a waste of energy as is your attempt to put forward your extreme subjective interpretation.
If you want to discuss something that will yield results then we can advance to the bronze age.

 

[redbaron]

i fink u betta chek urself b4 u rek urself m8 becoz u mite shot lyk a somalian pirate but im da OG somalian pirate leader i bin hijackin boatz since i woz 5 i wil rip ur hed off n shit down ur nek i rek lil smart mouf fagetz lyk u jus 4 fun im a tru lyf thug ya herd

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: Is insulting another person even a bad or morally reprehensible thing to do?

The more insulted the victim feels, the greater the truth the perpetrator has called upon.

Thus, should one be punished for tending to call out the truth?

What kind of society will the extreme bring about...? Maybe one in which nobody speaks out for fear of being punished for what they say?

There's an argument to be had that insults are actually a good thing, objectively, for the victim, regardless of the perpetrator's intention. This is because pain causes growth. Desensitization to the object (or word) that causes pain is beneficial in the long run. Thus, insults serve to free you from the bonds the keep you from fully enjoying life.

Holy macro. What a tangled bunch of threads arousing such great interest! (Have I insulted anyone saying that?)

Anyway, generalizing/ over-generalizing, I think of communication in general. When we speak what do we mean? When we listen What is heard? Lots of room for miscommunication, right? What do we find:

Truth imbedded in falsehood. Falsehood laying inside truth. Passive aggressiveness. Active aggressiveness ... lots of possibilities.

Communication.

The obligation to be clear. The obligation to listen. The obligation to discard ambiguity, to ask for clarity. The obligation to ignore ambiguity which has no impact. The obligation to attend to ambiguity which has impact.

Lots of obligations.

 

[tvrgvryen]

not if they deserve it. otherwise, criticizing with good intent is appropriate and insulting is not.

 

[Goku]

not if they deserve it. otherwise, criticizing with good intent is appropriate and insulting is not.

insulting is merely poking at one's insecurities; if one does not have insecurities, then one cannot be insulted. It is that simply, a matter of the perceiver having (or not having) insecurities.

 

[tvrgvryen]

insulting is merely poking at one's insecurities; if one does not have insecurities, then one cannot be insulted. It is that simply, a matter of the perceiver having (or not having) insecurities.

Doesn't everyone have insecurities, at least to some extent? Perhaps I'm just pessimistic.

 

[Goku]

Doesn't everyone have insecurities, at least to some extent? Perhaps I'm just pessimistic.

I dunno, try to insult this guy

[bimgx=300]http://www.psychalive.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Dalai_Lama_2.jpg[/bimgx]

 

[Grayman]

Doesn't everyone have insecurities, at least to some extent? Perhaps I'm just pessimistic.

Everyone has their breaking point no matter how cool they try to act. We human and not all robots like goku.

 

[Goku]

Everyone has their breaking point no matter how cool they try to act. We human and not all robots like goku.

and then what happens after you break?

 

[Grayman]

and then what happens after you break?

Me? Or people? The temptation for me is to allow myself different levels of narcissism.

 

[pernoctator]

insulting is merely poking at one's insecurities; if one does not have insecurities, then one cannot be insulted. It is that simply, a matter of the perceiver having (or not having) insecurities.

If you define insecurity as the ability to be insulted, nobody can argue with you. That's just semantics; it's circular, and you haven't really said anything. The implication seems to be that insecurity is entirely self-imposed. Is that what you're putting forward? Anyway, we need a more complete definition of insecurity to proceed.

 

[Grayman]

If you define insecurity as the ability to be insulted, nobody can argue with you. That's just semantics; it's circular, and you haven't really said anything. The implication seems to be that insecurity is entirely self-imposed. Is that what you're putting forward? Anyway, we need a more complete definition of insecurity to proceed.

Don't stoop to his level.

 

[Hawkeye]

Those that get insulted need to adjust their priorities.

I shall paraphrase something I said earlier: "try insulting someone who doesn't give a shit."


Only the weak-minded are insulted.

 

[Grayman]

Those that get insulted need to adjust their priorities.

I shall paraphrase something I said earlier: "try insulting someone who doesn't give a shit."


Only the weak-minded are insulted.

I agree for the most part but if you are hinting that your logic in this makes it okay for you to insult, you are wrong! In this case you need DIVINE intervention and only by ACCEPTING Jesus will God forgive you.

 

[Jennywocky]

I agree for the most part but if you are hinting that your logic in this makes it okay for you to insult, you are wrong! In this case you need DIVINE intervention and only by ACCEPTING Jesus will God forgive you.

Ooooh, shit just got real.

.....

So has anything enlightening been said yet besides you can't be insulted by anything if you don't give a crap?

Also, we have Godwin's Law for when Hitler is brought into a conversation. Do we have anything for when the Dalai Lama is?

 

[Grayman]

Ooooh, shit just got real.

.....

So has anything enlightening been said yet besides you can't be insulted by anything if you don't give a crap?

Yes, "Only robots don't give a crap."

Everyone else are just thick skinned. Regardless of what they would like to think, they can bleed.
Or they are thin skinned and they have trouble keeping from bruising.

 

[Hawkeye]

 

[BigApplePi]

I shall paraphrase something I said earlier: "try insulting someone who doesn't give a shit." Only the weak-minded are insulted.

First you have to find someone who doesn't give a shit. Suppose someone says, "You don't give a shit? Then just for that I'm taking away all your freedom, putting you in solitary, banning you, taking you away from everything and everybody because of what you are."

 

[Grayman]

They do bleed from the teeth of the Alpha, yours truly.

 

[Hawkeye]

First you have to find someone who doesn't give a shit.

I am one of these people in the context of this forum.

Suppose someone says, "You don't give a shit? Then just for that I'm taking away all your freedom, putting you in solitary, banning you, taking you away from everything and everybody because of what you are."

It would make no difference to the person that was removed. What it would do is ease the mind of the person that was irritated by them.

They do bleed from the teeth of the Alpha, yours truly.

Physical pain and mental pain are different with the former being generated from the weaker-minded of the two opponents.

 

[Grayman]

Physical pain and mental pain are different with the former being generated from the weaker-minded of the two opponents.

Stronger minded or arragont enough to think your opinion is always the only one that matters?

 

[Jennywocky]

They do bleed from the teeth of the Alpha, yours truly.

Once more into the fray
Into the last good fight I'll ever know
Live and die on this day
Live and die on this day

 

[Hawkeye]

Stronger minded or arragont enough to think your opinion is always the only one that matters?

Pure arrogance.
Plus what I say is usually true which always helps. ^^

 

[The Void]

Why is insult such a big deal?
Why care so much about maintaining some delusionary sense of identity.
When someone insults out of lack of knowledge just laugh.
Or just say "so?"
Whats the problem with insults?
Why remain sensitive humans when we can become more than human (superman!)?
I just laugh when people insults me.
My brother insulted me so much.
I insulted myself even more, yes yes,
laugh at yourself, laugh at everyone, Y so serious?
Why remain slaves to evolutionary instincts and social conditionings abouty caring to belong and always thinking how others think about you? Let us train to go beyond. and then only we can evolve.
But this is the age of devolution after all.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

insulting is merely poking at one's insecurities; if one does not have insecurities, then one cannot be insulted. It is that simply, a matter of the perceiver having (or not having) insecurities.

But this is not over after this.

I have ignored someones attempt at insulting me, however I can still use this past attempt to defend myself and to find insecurities in that person.

Insulting, in a natural context, is a basic attempt of agression regardless wheter attacks valid or invalid insecure points.

If you were to point out something true about a person you can either put it so that the person realises it or so that the person feels hurt or insecure.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Re: INTP vs INTJ(Yes, Again)

you made me literally LOL when you said that

can you please point out, with the exact post #, at what point in time I crossed this imaginary boundary that only exists in your mind?

Can you please stop trying to reduce social interaction into axioms and deductions within some weird closed system of an autistic nature?

People are humans which are social creatures and not some conscious extract of rationality.

This view of yours presupposes that humans are something they are not, it's a "in a perfect world"-kind of argument which has little bearing on reality. It is everyones responsibility to learn some social graces because they are needed. Not doing so just because one thinks it doesn't make sense is not very smart and is mean.

The bottom line is it doesn't matter what you think makes sense and what you think doesn't

 

[The Void]

Yes, "Only robots don't give a crap."

Everyone else are just thick skinned. Regardless of what they would like to think, they can bleed.
Or they are thin skinned and they have trouble keeping from bruising.

Then why remain human?
Whats so special about being human?
Become robots.
When I was a human there was only pain with certain times in pleasure.
But then I realized I was never a human, but a robot, the mind and body is automatic, I thought deeply, I though I thought but I didnt thought, all just happening, I am not there, I am someone else,

When you realize your true primary self you become detached from mind body and spirit(wattever it is) and life becomings like a passing movie without any attachment to anything.

Why not become robots (transcend beyond psychological emotions and be free)? why remain humans?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Then why remain human?
Whats so special about being human?
Become robots.
When I was a human there was only pain with certain times in pleasure.
But then I realized I was never a human, but a robot, the mind and body is automatic, I thought deeply, I though I thought but I didnt thought, all just happening, I am not there, I am someone else,

When you realize your true primary self you become detached from mind body and spirit(wattever it is) and life becomings like a passing movie without any attachment to anything.

Why not become robots (transcend beyond psychological emotions and be free)? why remain humans?

Because you don't chose what you are. You are human regardless of what you strive for, your brain doesn't posess enough plasticity for you to ever become a robot. Typically the people who claim to be all rational and robotic -making only sense and ignoring feelings- just don't see the emotional content of and basis for their thoughts and their opinions.

Even if some people could make such a transition the argument would still be null when the majority is considered.

 

[The Void]

Stronger minded or arragont enough to think your opinion is always the only one that matters?

Buddha, Jesus etc will they get offended if insulted?
well how can I know they are stories?
But I don't know of any instances when they got angry or offended at someone.
Even if they are by chance fictional that personality is respected.
Are they arrogant?

If someone provides a reasonable insult (truth about some deficiency of mine), I can just analyze the opinion and if I feel yes I need it to be corrected in order to attain something, then I will train to fill up the deficiency, but there is no reason to suffer from insult,

And actually nothing does matter, neither my opinion nor others.

 

[Minuend]

Those that get insulted need to adjust their priorities.

I shall paraphrase something I said earlier: "try insulting someone who doesn't give a shit."


Only the weak-minded are insulted.

Sometimes people are in stages of their lives where they do not possess the mental tools to "adjust their priorities".

With some people, less defense against insults is intertwined with other beneficial (to the tribe) personality traits.

It's not that black and white, really. Brains work slightly different among individuals (in some cases more dramatically), it makes sense that some are more receptive to insults. I don't see why it's such a bad thing, however.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Buddha, Jesus etc will they get offended if insulted?
well how can I know they are stories?
But I don't know of any instances when they got angry or offended at someone.
Even if they are by chance fictional that personality is respected.
Are they arrogant?

Are they real people in the way we know them? Nope, they characters in stories retold, they've been idealized and they do not make a sound basis for your claim.

Furthermore, you need to consider more people than a few exceptional ones deviating from everyone else.

 

[The Void]

Because you don't chose what you are. You are human regardless of what you strive for, your brain doesn't posess enough plasticity for you to ever become a robot. Typically the people who claim to be all rational and robotic -making only sense and ignoring feelings- just don't see the emotional content of and basis for their thoughts and their opinions.

Even if some people could make such a transition the argument would still be null when the majority is considered.

I am not saying about becoming robots (i said because apathetic people was compare to robots). I meant becoming more that whatever you are.
In a sense it is about becoming more human.
Majority of human are mindless slaves of conditionings and impulses without that much of a free will and also immersed in the daily meainingless drama.
But anyone can grow the WILL and guide more freedom by expanding awareness through meditation and attaining more and more mental stability by detachment or THD's selective apathy.
Yes it is ignoring the effects caused by emotions. Why not ignore what has no purpose to suffer from.
If someone comes to torture you with a knife and say you can ignore me and leave if you want then will you choose to suffer or will you choose to ignore and leave?

Why suffer when you have a choice to ignore suffering.

If you enjoy suffering then it is different but if you enjoy suffering then how is that suffering?

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: Is insulting another person even a bad or morally reprehensible thing to do?

Why is insult such a big deal?

For one thing insult can be a predecessor to public humiliation.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Again I doubt many people would be able to achieve what you describe, more people would think they achieved it though.

It is not a pointless way of thinking that which you describe, but I think your overrestimate the degree to which it can be incorporated and I think the description is somewhat off. Sounds a lot like simply becoming secure and comfortable with ones place in the world.

Edit: Oh and before this happens, insults are still insulting and the fault lies with the insulter (most of the time, there's no need to be categorical about it, there are after all people who are overly touchy that it becomes a social issue of theirs instead).

 

[The Void]

Are they real people in the way we know them? Nope, they characters in stories retold, they've been idealized and they do not make a sound basis for your claim.

Furthermore, you need to consider more people than a few exceptional ones deviating from everyone else.

We should all try to reduce our suffering using selective apathy or something like that.
Others opinions can be used as productive means without suffering from it's harshness.
Why not choose the way to eternal peace over the unnaturaly natural state of eternal pain and some momentary pleasure and then again immense pain.

It is like Buddha said, it is what Crowley realized to we all are disorder.
Normal is disordered.

Detachment is not lying in the bed all day or leaving to jungle, detachment can also be doing whatever you do with mindfulness being in the present, and being unconcerned at the same time, i.e immune to suffering.

The mind thinks crap all the time. Most of the time I have noticed suffering is induced by over-exagerrated crap thoughts by mind.

So why not meditate to attain real stability of mind instead of crying and suffering all day?

Not even meditation is needed.

Just rewire the mind with the mind and start anew life being a true human.

 

[Grayman]

Pure arrogance.
Plus what I say is usually true which always helps. ^^

Then we have to but wait for Hubris to take a fall.

 

[The Void]

Again I doubt many people would be able to achieve what you describe, more people would think they achieved it though.

It is not a pointless way of thinking that which you describe, but I think your overrestimate the degree to which it can be incorporated and I think the description is somewhat off. Sounds a lot like simply becoming secure and comfortable with ones place in the world.

Edit: Oh and before this happens, insults are still insulting and the fault lies with the insulter (most of the time, there's no need to be categorical about it, there are after all people who are overly touchy that it becomes a social issue of theirs instead).

yes I doubt too.
With all these social conditionings and all that it is just an unrealistic dream to think about everyone attaining some state like that.
So I dont really go around insulting everyone.
Well I have noticed those who really go around with the intentions of actually 'hurting' others have some unsolved issues within themselves.
Again one can say the truth in more sophisticated ways to without being aggressive or something.

If someone gets insulted even if the insulter just wanted their well being or something then I dont know what to do.

But I will research more on different psychological states and meditation, and then I will preach the way or may be not.

In conventional cases insulter do have the fault and so does the insulted.
Both have their faults.

And in a sense both are victims.

Insulter (those who intentionally wanto hurt to feel good) is also some victim of unresolved issue, or high mental unsatisfactoriness or something.



But the point is it is possible to train the mind to rise beyond.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Doing what you suggest requires time and effort, life is short you need to do a lot of stuff.

Another issue is that pain and suffering promote achievement. Just as there's the carrot dangling in front of the donkey urging it to move forward there's whip hitting its back doing the same thing. Removal of the whip does not effect the desirability of the carrot and so you are left with less motivation not more.

Is it then rational to rid oneself of pain if doing so lessens ones ability to achieve desired goals in life?

 

[Jennywocky]

But this is not over after this.

I have ignored someones attempt at insulting me, however I can still use this past attempt to defend myself and to find insecurities in that person.

Insulting, in a natural context, is a basic attempt of agression regardless wheter attacks valid or invalid insecure points.

If you were to point out something true about a person you can either put it so that the person realises it or so that the person feels hurt or insecure.

This is kind of getting at more of the "big picture" of abrasive environments.

it probably shouldn't be surprising for people who participate on an INTP forum to view social interactions in the frame of "me" and "everyone else" as the only two entities, with "me" as the central figure. (and by "me" I don't mean me specifically, I mean "the individual" in general.)

In that sense, it seems rational for each individual to worry about shoring up their own defenses and not having any kinds of insecurity to worry about. Everyone is 100% responsible for themselves. The group isn't really a community where individuals relate to each other as people, it's just a group of separate individuals who come together to exchange whatever commodity is valued, and people try to maximize their return on what ideas they put in. Each person remains full protected within their individual bubble, and there is no personal connection or friendship to worry about.

There are pro's and con's to this approach. One of the pro's is being in total control of oneself and not being impacted by anything anyone else says or does; one of the con's is remaining in isolation and a rather solipsist existence. Which is fine if that is what one wants, but I'm kind of amazed at times how people who inhabit forums like this tend to fall either into the smaller group of isolationists who are fine with that and don't desire more vs another group that tends to bemoan how lonely they are and how they wish they had friends and people in their lives and usually withdraw into isolation simply because they're frustrated at their inability to function outside their own boundaries. "Oh, I wish I had someone who loved me [romantically!" or whatever other bullshit.

There are benefits and negatives to every approach to life. The isolationist approach is simply that, if you block off the roads or don't give a shit, then no traffic comes in even if you're cool with no traffic coming out. You can grow in terms of the exchange of ideas, but only ideas you already value. you're not going to be situations where you have to learn the things that you don't feel like learning, so there will be aspects of humanity that you will never understand. If you don't give a shit about human interactions, you're losing information that can frame a lot of the big picture of how the world actually works with a diversity of people... you've just limited your perspective.

You're also kind of a shit if you're willing to play by your own rules and take advantage of a group to get what you want without giving back in ways that others in the group can appreciate. The independent person isn't independent if he is taking without giving; he's just a parasite. Your options are to find a small enough group somewhere where everyone has the same perspective and approach as you, so that you all give and get in accordance with expectation, or being a little more flexible and taking other people's perspectives and values into account while expecting them to learn from yours.

moving on to how groups work: Homogenous groups can be strong in the sense they share the same process and goal, they are also very very weak in that there is nothing to shore up the shared weaknesses... the group is horribly vulnerable. heterogeneous groups, diverse groups, have the benefit of shoring up any weak spots and covering all the bases, challenging people with new ideas and approaches so that we are all independently pushed to grow, but at the same time you have to accept that your approach is not necessarily an approach that works for others and everyone has to listen, learn, and flex. You automatically give up a bit of your own sense of identity in order to understand and play a role within the larger group, even if you don't need to allow yourself to be completely subsumed (nor should you, as the group would no longer be diverse). But at that point, yeah, you DO need to start giving a shit about how your approach impacts others and they need to care about how their approach impacts you.

There's also consideration of your own enlightenment. Sure, maybe someone else shouldn't be bothered by your insults if they were 100% secure, but at the same time, what kind of person are you if you know something bothers someone else and you abuse them anyway? think about your own character a minute, even if you think their character is weak. Is that who you are? Someone who specifically targets someone in an area of weakness or simply doesn't give a shit? It doesn't mean cater to someone, but it does mean being perceptive and having a point rather than just crapping over someone else because you can. And to hit you where it might hurt -- that kind of interaction deadens and slows the exchange of diverse ideas. If you want ideas and experiences to ponder that you might normally not be privy to in your own head, then you need to be willing to flex as part of the exchange of hearing about those ideas and experiences. How many groups -- forums, families, workplaces, friendships -- does one have to be in before they realize that the kind of approach where you can say and do whatever you want at someone else's expense inevitably derails and dissolves the group?

To put it in a nutshell: most of the premise of this thread is perfectly doable if you are willing to go off by yourself and live in the woods alone, not taking and not giving to anyone. As soon as you enter into an exchange with someone who is not your clone, sorry, you're going to have to flex a bit. That's the cost you pay for interacting with other human beings. That's how I see it. If you don't want to pay the cost, don't engage. if you're happy being alone and independent and totally in control of your life, fine... but why are you here in a group then?

And now, to tie this back to the actual thread question: I don't see "moral" as relevant here, my entire explanation revolves around whether it's SENSIBLE in terms of the big picture. Moral is all based on a person's individual morality, and I can't answer that question, I just care about how things actually work or don't work.

 

[Hawkeye]

Then we have to but wait for Hubris to take a fall.

That may take a while with me for you see, I've already fallen.

 

[BigApplePi]

If you don't read Jennywocky's "Big Picture" and do it now, I may be forced to search high and low for someone who will insult you.

 

[Cherry Cola]

but it was such tldr

JK brilliant post

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

To put it in a nutshell: most of the premise of this thread is perfectly doable if you are willing to go off by yourself and live in the woods alone, not taking and not giving to anyone. As soon as you enter into an exchange with someone who is not your clone, sorry, you're going to have to flex a bit. That's the cost you pay for interacting with other human beings. That's how I see it. If you don't want to pay the cost, don't engage. if you're happy being alone and independent and totally in control of your life, fine... but why are you here in a group then?

And now, to tie this back to the actual thread question: I don't see "moral" as relevant here, my entire explanation revolves around whether it's SENSIBLE in terms of the big picture. Moral is all based on a person's individual morality, and I can't answer that question, I just care about how things actually work or don't work.

Indeed, good insight, I view this coin in a similar way.

Growing up I wanted to be a part of a strong heterogenous group and ended with comparable personalities, I know how this could be interesting in theory to have different and yet involved people around, that's just what I have read or realised on my own and experienced shortly.

I can see how dividing on me vs the world is an acceptable philosophy but often ends in relying on social support which realy creates this feeling of superiority and control to the things you have pointed out.

I don't know if the exchange of ideas is more important in group experiences, sometimes I find it is enough to be able to support others or do something together to satisfy my social needs.

 

[pernoctator]

Don't stoop to his level.

I don't plan to.

 

[Hawkeye]

A group of like-minds will eventually dissolve too due to lack of spice.

On this forum, if we didn't have those that went against the grain, it would be a rather dull place. We'd have nothing but threads containing a single post smothered in cheesy +1's.

 

[Jennywocky]

More curry powder, less jerk spice please.

 

[The Void]

Doing what you suggest requires time and effort, life is short you need to do a lot of stuff.

Another issue is that pain and suffering promote achievement. Just as there's the carrot dangling in front of the donkey urging it to move forward there's whip hitting its back doing the same thing. Removal of the whip does not effect the desirability of the carrot and so you are left with less motivation not more.

Is it then rational to rid oneself of pain if doing so lessens ones ability to achieve desired goals in life?

Life is short. May be may be not... life may even be eternal. I don't know nor do I care.

Since life is short people it is all of a more reason to attain mental peace and stability and enjoy life to the fullest instead of running and distracting from the issues and being dependant on mundane things and delusions for happiness.

And we are always doing a lot of meaningless empty things in life. Isn't it better to try to explore to attain understanding about one's own inner world?

We study so much about the world, so much about relationships, rules, predujices, customs and every craps but so very few want to understand oneself, the truth.

Isn't it better to attain to mental peace to enjoy the life at all times?

Well better is relative.
If you like the loop of suffering and pleasure and the contrast in it, then it is yours choice ( but that is the goal actually, to enjoy suffering, enjoy the contrast)

Pain and suffering is what that can enable one to overcome pain and suffering.
The thing is why is motivation good?
Why is it really necessary?
(I am not saying about losing all motivation even to drink water or talk and walk and die out of starvation and due to losing motivation to breath.)

Example: There is some poor guy in poor family with lots of suffering. The suffering motivates one to study more and more 24/7 to get some good job for money and pleasure.

But This whole suffering and getting motivated to ease suffering and then again desiring more it turns into a vicious cycle.

The big motivations arise when one desires what one don't have and stopped caring about what one have, and to fullfill the desire the one goes through even more sufferings and hard work, (or if the desire is low one will not work and just suffer and dream about desire) and when the desire is fullfilled, some peak of happiness is acheived but after some days it again returns to normal (psychological exp shows a guy who won lotery is about as happy as a paralyzed guy. The thing is there is one peak moment of sadness or happiness but then it again turns into normal ) and then again unsatisfactoriness arose and new desires comes.

So isn't it better to learn to be at the present moment and be at peace in every moment?

Don't get me wrong I am not demoting motivations. One can use selective apathy for motivation. Like I am meditating to gain omniscience and omnipotence but I dont care if those are possible or will I even gain them or not, I just do because I do, mind can be manipulated in exceptional and contradictory ways.

If one just focuses on the present without worrying or dreaming about future and just enjoy fully the pains that may be present at that moment then they job is actually better anyway.

And the best thing about this is what I am talking about does not really need meditation.

Meditation can be done any time 24/7 parallely doing everything.
This state of mind can be cultivated while doing whatever one daily do.

If someone insults one and one just happily agrees with the insult if it is reasonable or just laught it off it is out of ignorance then isn't that better?

And if one tries to cultivate such behaviours all one needs to do is just try and slowly adapt to the situation.

It doesnt really takes much. And it can be done parallely.

And I am not really taking about going into extreme modes of solipsism, but the middle path.

People are made to do lots of useless craps in this short life anyway.

 

[The Void]

If you don't read Jennywocky's "Big Picture" and do it now, I may be forced to search high and low for someone who will insult you.

Can you find one for me.
I have some experimental purposes.