Members from INFJf keep telling me I'm an INTP.

[Bird]

And they don't mean it in a nice way...


How much do you think Ti rubs off?

 

[Abraxas]

I don't know about Ti, but the way you write must've somewhat rubbed off....I mean look at your post count!

 

[Fukyo]

Members of INFJf think anyone who is even slightly mean is a T.

It's inferior projection; ascribing disliked traits to one's inferior function.

 

[Melllvar]

Members of INFJf think anyone who is even slightly mean is a T.

It's inferior projection; ascribing disliked traits to one's inferior function.

My experience has been that 95% of everyone on INFJf seems like a real fucking asshole (present company excluded, of course), so I find this rather amusing to read.

Along those same lines, you (Bird) really don't seem like an INTP to me, overall. The fact that you say "they don't mean it in a nice way" makes me question the motives and sincerity of the people saying it. I don't really feel like going into it here though, I mainly just posted this in case random accusers happen to come by this thread. +1 vote against the INTP hypothesis.

I don't know about Ti, but the way you write must've somewhat rubbed off....I mean look at your post count!

The writing style is vastly different from the majority of the people here, though. I don't think it has rubbed off very much...

 

[AlisaD]

How could anyone mean "You are an INTP" in any way other than nice? That's just crazy.

Also, you don't seem like an INTP, but not much like a J either. Though, to be fair, I don't really know much about the typing thing anyway

 

[Cegorach]

Considering that one of those who typed you on that forum was VH, I would not take it seriously.

His grasp on typology is limited, understanding basic fundamentals in theory that are generally accepted and using those to back up and make appear reasonable his bias judgements, his over-generalities, and his bullying. He only wants to look in control and powerful, and on the INFJ forum, where most of the members would rather dish out compliments than correct him, is exactly where he can thrive, especially due to how they feed his ego and believe his every word simply because he knows enough of the basics to make it look like his further claims could be plausible.

Any member he thinks is rude or that he doesn't approve of he refuses to admit is INFJ, and because he's particularly adverse to Ti he tends towards typing those that especially annoy him as Ti Dominants.

Of course, I believe he's an ENFJ, hence Inferior Ti.

- - - -​

That aside, I don't believe you're INTP or INFJ (though I won't go into what type I think you are for now), but, as I post so minimally on forums and present little of my theories except those which I want to test, there's not much reason to believe what I'm claiming either.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

The INFJf ship has sunken and plunged
down the depths of forgotten treasures.
Alas, I hardly knew ye.
​

 

[dark]

I am wondering how one can be typed via the style and words they type.

Is a dominate function really that visible in that manner? If so that would be a very nice thing to learn to do, if only I used it to create characters in stories, it would be nice, at the moment I think I could only make various N and T characters.

 

[Puffy]

I am wondering how one can be typed via the style and words they type.

Is a dominate function really that visible in that manner? If so that would be a very nice thing to learn to do, if only I used it to create characters in stories, it would be nice, at the moment I think I could only make various N and T characters.

I don't think you can be 100% certain through someone's writing style, but I definitely feel it is an observable factor.

Sounds like rubbish anyway, INFJs are bound to be seen as strictly nice seeing as Ni-Fe is perfect for playing to your social surroundings. A little unimaginative on their part.

 

[nanook]

oh i am so sick of all the misunderstanding and so desperate for just one occasion of mutual understanding, concerning such matters as type/cognition. "you are like this, i am like that, we are different, but i can see how you are, you can see how i am, and we have mutual understanding about how we relate". now some people just try to synchronize their "understanding" aka thinking, that's to say, they make up an illusory 'experience of understanding' by inventing and believing in little false selves, designed according to a common-sense-portfolio of supposedly available types/functions/dadada.

i feel we should try to reinvent function theory, based on nothing but honest introspection, and ignoring any relation to type/testresults. and carefully read each others self descriptions. and befriend people who appear to be like-minded, if we can find any at all. and collaboratively attempt to unify the descriptions of our cognitive flow.

not in order to reinvent or validate typology, but simply to get a genuine understanding of the territory. for our selves.

we have to begin with knowledge of the territory. only accept the bits of the map, that exactly match known territory. not roughly. not like 'oh this part of the map, of all parts, has the most similarity, so it's got to be it'. no, question the fucking map. we have to stop using maps of other people, stop being 'experts of maps', when we have no idea about the territory. or the hellfire of Babylon will burn forever.

i am not sure why i feel like self-censoring this post.

honestly, i am wondering if we are even capable of knowing the territory. i can see, that some seem to totally suck at it, especially those who don't even try, they are so lost in delusional concepts, but i can't proof that anyone can perceive the territory at all. we find the territory by looking through patterns. those are already mini-maps. pieces. we can make them as tiny as possible. but can we avoid, that they shape our perception and make us see, whats not there? i understand: an abstraction is always unreal. the skilful abstraction smoothly wraps around several distinct incarnations of what is real. how do you make it smooth enough? something that is smooth is alive, it's like cotton waving in the wind. waving is continuity, continuity is exact memory. you can't perceive anything in the present. perception of pattern is created from the past continuum of abstractions. apparently our memory is not good enough. so we fail at typology. yes, i don't care about what you say. i have seen you fail at it big time - for a century (not referring to anyone in particular). also: we create patterns (waving-continuity) from imaginations, that we deem credible because they are intuitive (archetypical, but still randomly made up) then we map those patterns, or interpret the map using those. this is as good (bad actually) as just making up the map first, and reading illusory patterns out of it, later believing that they exist. i think it's the curse of the intuitives. intuition. both introverted and extroverted, makes up a 'possible' and credible reality. the "MBTI" seems possible. and so we swallow it. and choke. our reality is only as realistic, as the the miraculous secretive source of intuition might or might not be inspired by the same archetypical source, that has been the source of the creation of reality, so there might be a synchronicity of guesswork and creation.

 

[Zionoxis]

Nanook, one comment: Roar.

On a more serious note, there are positives to using functions. For one thing, how many different people do you know who seriously introspect...or even better, they THINK about introspecting? I know very few and many are close friends of mine. That being said, it is easier to type someone and allow some well proven generalizations to provide a road map for you on how they think instead of being left completely absent minded as to who they are.

 

[Auburn]

@ nanook - I like your approach. But then, wouldn't mapping out territory that way only give you insight into the minds of those few who are engaging in this mutual map-building? How would you understand anyone outside of that group?

And considering that you'd have to be of somewhat similar disposition to even find such an idea appealing in the first place, isn't there just as well a risk that your 'map' only accounts for the parts of human nature that are present within your small sample size? - leaving you with a flawed/incomplete picture of a human 'psyche'?

 

[nanook]

That being said, it is easier to type someone and allow some well proven generalizations to provide a road map for you on how they think instead of being left completely absent minded as to who they are.

i totally agree and do this with every person i know. but i am sick of stopping there. and/or just no longer capable of believing my thoughts. should i give up on my mind and wake up from symbolic consciousness once and for all, or try to resurrect it once more, attempt to push it to another level ...

wouldn't mapping out territory that way only give you insight into the minds of those few who are engaging in this mutual map-building?

only those have deserved being understood. i don't mean in a moral way, i mean practically. they either make me understand, or i won't understand.

How would you understand anyone outside of that group?

i will just continue to 'understand' them in the same illusory way, we all imagine to 'understand' each other, when we are either just tripping or getting lucky at guessing.

 

[Zionoxis]

You do realize that you do not have to stop analyzing someone on the level of MBTI if you do not want to? If I want to know more, I disregard MBTI to go deeper and I add what I found to my mental profile of that person.

 

[Jennywocky]

How much do you think Ti rubs off?

Well, if you get some rubbed into you, you should be able to scrub it back off in the shower...

Any member he thinks is rude or that he doesn't approve of he refuses to admit is INFJ, and because he's particularly adverse to Ti he tends towards typing those that especially annoy him as Ti Dominants.

Ah yes -- we don't see others as they are, we see them as we are.

 

[Auburn]

How much do you think Ti rubs off?

Well seeing how Ti is the Glorious Crown of our magnificent INTPness, it requires a lot of rubbing before it goes off.

But you have to know where to rub; not just anyone can properly stimulate an INTPness.


How much Ti rubs off depends on the size of the Pness.

 

[Bird]

Auburn...

 

[Auburn]

Is that a disapproving moan?

or a.. ...i'll shut up now.

 

[pjoa09]

OMFGLMFAOWTFGTFO

HA!

Yeah... no.

 

[Words]

How much do you think Ti rubs off?

No rubbing. Your preference for a relativistic or otherwise "free" perspective is representative of Ni. Ti is chained by consistency and reason; it builds things.

 

[Lostwitheal]

Is that a disapproving moan?

or a.. ...i'll shut up now.

I believe she was tired and forgot to type "Oh" before your name

 

[scorpiomover]

Just to put things in perspective, INTJs are Judging types. As one INTJ explained, INTJs are apt to say "A is true", and then expect that if they are wrong, that someone will come back and say that A is not true, and explain why. So just because an INTJ says that you are an INTP, it doesn't mean they are sure that you an INTP. It just means that they are putting it out there, and are expecting that if you have good reason to think you are not an INTP, that you will explain why you think you are an INTJ, and will keep fighting your corner, until they are convinced that you are an INTJ.

Of course, if you really ARE an an INTJ, then you are apt to the same behaviour. You would be inclined to state you are an INTJ, and then give a short reason why you think that is true, and then you would expect that if you are not so, then someone else will prove you. Then, if someone else disputed that, you would then defend your view, as strongly as you can, until the other person knocks it down.

On the other hand, if you really ARE an INTP, then you are apt to simply point out reasons why you think that you are not an INTP, and then let others deduce from that, that you are an INTJ. INTPs are Ps, doubters. We only point out the weaknesses in an argument, to leave room for all possibilities, including that you are neither an INTJ nor an INTP, but possibly something else.

So you already have clear characteristics that would distinguish whether you are an INTJ or not, and whether you are an INTP or not.

More than likely, those INTJs think that you cannot be an INTJ, because you expressed a view that they do not share. As Judging types, INTJs tend to think that that any INTJ would naturally share their opinions, and especially those opinions about which a great many INTJs have the same view.

Doesn't mean they are right, because even INTJs can have opinions that differ from most INTJs. It's just part of the way Judging types see things, that they tend to expect that everyone thinks like them, because they tend to think that they have THE answer, rather than AN answer.

 

[Jennywocky]

How much Ti rubs off depends on the size of the Pness.

Sigh. Why does everything with Ti guys always comes back to the rubbing of the Pness?

 

[Oblivious]

Bird can rub my Ti anytime.

 

[Auburn]

I believe she was tired and forgot to type "Oh" before your name

Ohh.. yes..
Well it is hard work after all.... and can be tiring for the less.. er... developed types.

But once you understand how cognitive functions.. ..fit together you can optimize your Peak Pathway (PP) to orgasmic new Heights!

Or at least that's what the Podlair enhancers I bought advertised, but they don't seem to be working. Bastards.

 

[Auburn]

Sigh. Why does everything with Ti guys always comes back to the rubbing of the Pness?

And yet, you know you love us.

 

[Lostwitheal]

It's because of this that you love us.

There, I fixed that for you.

 

[Auburn]

Ah, thanks losty!
I'm glad you're always there to pirk me back up when i fall.:smiley_emoticons_mr
Brightly colored pants eh? That must have an interesting story behind it.

 

[Lostwitheal]

Ah, thanks losty!
I'm glad you're always there to raise me back up when I fall.:smiley_emoticons_mr
Brightly colored pants eh? That must have an interesting story behind it.

By way of an explanation, please see the guidelines sent to me by my girlfiend shortly after we started talking:

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Ohh.. yes..
Well it is hard work after all.... and can be tiring for the less.. er... developed types.

But once you understand how cognitive functions.. ..'function' together you can optimize your Peak Pathway (PP) to orgasmic new Heights!

Or at least that's what the Podlair enhancers I bought advertised, but they don't seem to be working. Bastards.

 

[Auburn]

Did we just successfully derail a thread? ^_^

I feel so accomplished! Noddy would be proud.. *wipes tears*

Rest his tiny pathetic soul..

 

[Bird]

Just to put things in perspective, INTJs are Judging types. As one INTJ explained, INTJs are apt to say "A is true", and then expect that if they are wrong, that someone will come back and say that A is not true, and explain why. So just because an INTJ says that you are an INTP, it doesn't mean they are sure that you an INTP. It just means that they are putting it out there, and are expecting that if you have good reason to think you are not an INTP, that you will explain why you think you are an INTJ, and will keep fighting your corner, until they are convinced that you are an INTJ.

Of course, if you really ARE an an INTJ, then you are apt to the same behaviour. You would be inclined to state you are an INTJ, and then give a short reason why you think that is true, and then you would expect that if you are not so, then someone else will prove you. Then, if someone else disputed that, you would then defend your view, as strongly as you can, until the other person knocks it down.

On the other hand, if you really ARE an INTP, then you are apt to simply point out reasons why you think that you are not an INTP, and then let others deduce from that, that you are an INTJ. INTPs are Ps, doubters. We only point out the weaknesses in an argument, to leave room for all possibilities, including that you are neither an INTJ nor an INTP, but possibly something else.

So you already have clear characteristics that would distinguish whether you are an INTJ or not, and whether you are an INTP or not.

More than likely, those INTJs think that you cannot be an INTJ, because you expressed a view that they do not share. As Judging types, INTJs tend to think that that any INTJ would naturally share their opinions, and especially those opinions about which a great many INTJs have the same view.

Doesn't mean they are right, because even INTJs can have opinions that differ from most INTJs. It's just part of the way Judging types see things, that they tend to expect that everyone thinks like them, because they tend to think that they have THE answer, rather than AN answer.

(: INFJ*

 

[xbox]

It doesn't rub off on others. Trust me, it doesn't.

 

[Hadoblado]

I tried to find the thread but couldn't find it.
I yearn to bare witness to such folly!
:smiley_emoticons_mr

 

[Bird]

I tried to find the thread but couldn't find it.
I yearn to bare witness to such folly!
:smiley_emoticons_mr

You have to have so many posts to view it or something.
INFJf has intense privacy settings for its members.
We're a pretty sensitive group, you know?

 

[scorpiomover]

(: INFJ*

Huh?

 

[GYX_Kid]

you seem INFJ round these parts.
you just don't fit in anywhere.

 

[scorpiomover]

you seem INFJ round these parts.

If you look at my MBTI assessment, in the spoiler in my signature, you will see that I am currently 63% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 53% Thinking and 53% Judging. So my T & F are close to 50%.

You, on the other hand, are 58% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 68% Thinking and 84% Perceiving. So compared to you, and probably a lot of others here, who are also very strong in Thinking and Perceiving and very weak in Feeling and Judging, I do come across as an INFJ.

I'm simply using a lot MORE Feeling and Judging than you are. But I still score as an INTP, because my Thinking and Perceiving are still stronger than my Feeling and Judging.

I'm an INTP. I'm only an INFJ relative to your cognitive processes.

you just don't fit in anywhere.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I felt like a freak of nature for almost all of my life, until I discovered this forum, when suddenly, the things that I do, that hardly anyone else does, I found were done by most of the other INTPs here. Now you are telling me that I don't belong?

 

[Words]

^

How amusingly imperceptive...

 

[Bird]

Huh?

In your post, you mentioned a lot about INTJs, which
confuses me because this is more about INTPs and
INFJs, I thought maybe you just made extensive
typos.

 

[Hadoblado]

Is is cruel not to tell him? I actually cringed reading this, I now feel uncomfortable.

edit:bird beat me to it

 

[Bird]

If you look at my MBTI assessment, in the spoiler in my signature, you will see that I am currently 63% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 53% Thinking and 53% Judging. So my T & F are close to 50%.

You, on the other hand, are 58% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 68% Thinking and 84% Perceiving. So compared to you, and probably a lot of others here, who are also very strong in Thinking and Perceiving and very weak in Feeling and Judging, I do come across as an INFJ.

I'm simply using a lot MORE Feeling and Judging than you are. But I still score as an INTP, because my Thinking and Perceiving are still stronger than my Feeling and Judging.

I'm an INTP. I'm only an INFJ relative to your cognitive processes.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I felt like a freak of nature for almost all of my life, until I discovered this forum, when suddenly, the things that I do, that hardly anyone else does, I found were done by most of the other INTPs here. Now you are telling me that I don't belong?

He was not addressing you, but me.

And in case you get confused by words' post,
he is implying that you're a dumbass for
thinking that gyx_kid was addressing you.

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

I sort of think that there a lot of mistypes going on forums these days. People have got it all wrong, you see.

Also, these days I sort of think I'm in an INFJ, though with strong Ti. Those people are all idiots. You're okay in my book.

*does thumbs up with awkward wink and smile*

 

[Chimera]

If you look at my MBTI assessment, in the spoiler in my signature, you will see that I am currently 63% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 53% Thinking and 53% Judging. So my T & F are close to 50%.

You, on the other hand, are 58% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 68% Thinking and 84% Perceiving. So compared to you, and probably a lot of others here, who are also very strong in Thinking and Perceiving and very weak in Feeling and Judging, I do come across as an INFJ.

I'm simply using a lot MORE Feeling and Judging than you are. But I still score as an INTP, because my Thinking and Perceiving are still stronger than my Feeling and Judging.

There's this little ache in the back of my head demanding that I point out that one internet test is not the end-all to typology qualms, and that you are not a percentage of any of the traits--and that the test itself gives a rough estimate of what your type might be, at best. My results on that test consistently come out 100% Introverted, 80-90% Intuitive, with T/F and P/J balancing on the 50% area. So, just because the test decides to calls me an INFP one day (which it has) doesn't mean I'm suddenly an INFP. Referencing numbers which are rough estimates of rough estimates of personality is...not a step toward strengthening your argument, sorry. ^-^
​

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I felt like a freak of nature for almost all of my life, until I discovered this forum, when suddenly, the things that I do, that hardly anyone else does, I found were done by most of the other INTPs here. Now you are telling me that I don't belong?

Whoa nelly.
First, I'm sorry you've felt like a freak of nature for almost all your life. That must have been rough.
Second, regardless of what some test says you are, or what some other person says you are, if you've found a place where you feel you belong...to hell with everything else, yeah? No reason to get upset. Especially since the post wasn't directed at you.



@other thread people:
Ze made an honest mistake--there are ways to point it out without being nasty, ne? And if you must be nasty, at least make it interesting. Eesh.
​

 

[astroninja]

INTPs and most other T types actually owe a big kudos to the Enlightenment project, whose ethos for rationality, logic, and intellect have filtered down into most modern day contexts. The canonical discourses that are being proliferated today places the art of intellectualisation higher up in the hierarchy of preferred human traits than that of emotionalism, and us T types greatly benefit from this (This is why we oftentimes get praised for being 'smart', whilst those who are too emotional and 'irrational' are chastised for being 'dumb'). So, if I were you, I would extricate myself from the INFJ community immediately and declare yourself the victor! A victor of modern day thought and social contexts! Hurrah! *chokes from excitement*

 

[scorpiomover]

In your post, you mentioned a lot about INTJs, which
confuses me because this is more about INTPs and
INFJs, I thought maybe you just made extensive
typos.

Oh. I joined INTJf when this one went down. I ended up doing a lot of reading on the thread there about INTJs vs INTPs. I had that on my mind. So I mistook INFJf for INTJf. Silly me.

He was not addressing you, but me.

And in case you get confused by words' post,
he is implying that you're a dumbass for
thinking that gyx_kid was addressing you.

I wasn't sure. If someone is p*ssed off at me, I prefer to apologise or explain myself, and get it all over and done with. Was playing it safe.

Again, silly me.

I do make mistakes. I am human, even if some think of me as an organic computer.

 

[terraxceles]

You are not INTP.

:smiley_emoticons_mr

(^ I don't really feel this happy, I just thought my post looked too drab otherwise.)

 

[GYX_Kid]

If you look at my MBTI assessment, in the spoiler in my signature, you will see that I am currently 63% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 53% Thinking and 53% Judging. So my T & F are close to 50%.

You, on the other hand, are 58% Introverted, 74% Intuitive, 68% Thinking and 84% Perceiving. So compared to you, and probably a lot of others here, who are also very strong in Thinking and Perceiving and very weak in Feeling and Judging, I do come across as an INFJ.

I'm simply using a lot MORE Feeling and Judging than you are. But I still score as an INTP, because my Thinking and Perceiving are still stronger than my Feeling and Judging.

I'm an INTP. I'm only an INFJ relative to your cognitive processes.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I felt like a freak of nature for almost all of my life, until I discovered this forum, when suddenly, the things that I do, that hardly anyone else does, I found were done by most of the other INTPs here. Now you are telling me that I don't belong?

If I started randomly paying acute attention to your posts and analyzing them now, would you feel more or less self-consciously paranoid?

I'll be serious for a second (was just playing, Bird can take it)

Do you feel like even though people only notice you when you grab their attention, they're out to point fingers at you anyway? I'm not sure whether that's a more P or J thing (J may assume that others are judging them mutually) but I've gone through that too, to certain degrees

 

[Auburn]

Second, regardless of what some test says you are, or what some other person says you are, if you've found a place where you feel you belong...to hell with everything else, yeah?
​

*nods*
I was thinking too.. that even though the test doesn't accurately assess type* it does group together people with similar surface behaviors which can sometimes lead to more resonance than a group of the same cognitive types - since sharing cog.function order doesn't guarantee people will mesh well... in theory. I've yet to see a large group purely of any one type so I dunno..

* = putting the validity of typology aside; assuming it's a true phenomenon.

 

[scorpiomover]

There's this little ache in the back of my head demanding that I point out that one internet test is not the end-all to typology qualms,

That's all right. You cannot be expected to know that as an INTP, I wouldn't have trusted just one test, had taken many MBTI tests throughout my life, and plenty of other psychological assessments as well, including a couple of psychometric tests in applications for jobs, and pretty much every one brought me out as an extreme INTP, until about 30. These tests matched my personality so precisely, that my real-life friends were totally unsurprised, even though no-one else came out like that on these tests, because no-one else I knew was like me.

From then on, I have tested once as an ENTP and an INFP, and the majority were INTP. But then, from then on, I was doing major re-writing of my own personality, enough that if you met me then, and now, you'd say that I look the same, but still act basically the same, but in a much more balanced manner. So really, it's not that surprising, except to confirm what Jung said about types not being set in stone.

and that you are not a percentage of any of the traits--

That's also all right. You cannot be expected to know that as an INTP, I knew that, from when I was your age, about 7 years before you were born. How were you to know facts that were true, before you were even conceived? It would require intelligent independent thinking to do that.

and that the test itself gives a rough estimate of what your type might be, at best. My results on that test consistently come out 100% Introverted, 80-90% Intuitive, with T/F and P/J balancing on the 50% area. So, just because the test decides to calls me an INFP one day (which it has) doesn't mean I'm suddenly an INFP. Referencing numbers which are rough estimates of rough estimates of personality is...not a step toward strengthening your argument,

You are absolutely right that a single test, doesn't show anything, and neither do percentages by themselves. But as I said, I knew that, and that would be obvious to anyone using Ti-Ne, and not just assuming something about other people, without at least considering all the possibilities.

sorry.

Sorry for being totally wrong about me, or sorry for making such a monumentally flawed assumption?

As my sister used to say: Don't ASSUME, or you make an ASS out of U and ME.

The above can be sarcasm, if it was a genuine mistake. If it wasn't, then it's a dig. Take your pick.

Please, if you want to query something I posted, please do. But if you make foolish statements, then either apologise for being such a plonker, as I did, or expect that I might elect to point out the flaws in your argument, like they are.

Whoa nelly.
First, I'm sorry you've felt like a freak of nature for almost all your life. That must have been rough.

Seeing as I felt that way, from 4 years old onwards, and have little to no memory before then, and even before then, my family's history of me indicates that I was still nothing like them, even when I was 6 months old, it's been so normal for me, that I didn't know how to perceive reality any other way. By the time I was 20, over 20 years ago, it was water off a duck's back. Still hurts. But if you grew up from day one, knowing that you really were "a stranger in a strange land", and keep waiting for someone to tell you that you were really an alien, it's just par for the course.

Second, regardless of what some test says you are, or what some other person says you are, if you've found a place where you feel you belong...to hell with everything else, yeah? No reason to get upset. Especially since the post wasn't directed at you.

I did for the first few weeks. Now, not so much. I'm discovering a lot less P-ness than I thought, and if there is one type that rubs me up the wrong way, it's J-ness.