MDMA

[kantor1003]

A friend of mine got hold of some mdma in powder form and wants to snort it. Does anyone have any experience with it? Any information he should be aware of other than making sure of drinking enough (but not too much) water?

 

[downsowf]

Leave before you experience multiple hugs and him/her telling you who much they love you.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Leave before you experience multiple hugs and him/her telling you who much they love you.

rofl

 

[shoeless]

if it's pure mdma and you snort it it won't be the same as swallowing a pill of ecstasy. it's much milder, some people don't feel it at all, but some people do. my experience involved a lot of cuddling and talking about my feelings. my boyfriend was mostly just a little hyperactive, didn't have the same emotional stuff i did.

but if it's ecstasy (which i doubt it) i only have experience with other people being on it, and from a sober point of view, they're insufferable. case in point: my friends had bought enough x to share between us, but they decided to take theirs on a day i wasn't able to do it, and while they were rolling they also split mine so i never got to try it. then they pestered me to get money out of the atm for them and lied to me about getting another one and blah blah blah i still kind of hate it to this day because of that. seriously. absolutely insufferable.

but i'm sure it's fun when you're on it, anyway.

 

[snafupants]

That sounds like a pretty efficient route to obliterating your mind. Have a second helping/fistful for ol' snafu. With slightly more seriousness, you should consult the almighty erowid.

 

[kantor1003]

if it's pure mdma and you snort it it won't be the same as swallowing a pill of ecstasy. it's much milder, some people don't feel it at all, but some people do.

Milder? I've heard that it's more intense, but shorter lasting. However, I've read several claiming that the "body" high is more pronounced when ingesting it orally. My friend only has it in powder form however, so I guess dropping it (wrapping it in toilet paper, or something similar, and swallowing it) could be an option?
Ah, and sorry to hear that, shoeless. You will get your second chance though, if you are up for it

That sounds like a pretty efficient route to obliterating your mind. Have a second helping/fistful for ol' snafu. With slightly more seriousness, you should consult the almighty erowid.

Already been through pretty much everything on erowid regarding mdma. I just want to read some experiences and overall input from people like you, ol´snafu

Disclaimer: I'm bringing in some smilies to this thread and I encourage you all to do the same. They are relevant to the topic and I put them here mainly for that reason. It does in no way represent my current mood and if they do, it is mere accidental.

 

[Affinity]

If you have never done it, snorting it would be a total waste IMO as you will have a very short trip not to mention it'll burn like hell. Take it orally by parachuting it like you have mentioned or just mix it in water or juice and drink it. Expect about 45 min to 2 hours before it kicks in and about 6 hour plus duration if it's your first time (ymmv).

Aside from staying hydrated but not too hydrated I'd say eat a good meal prior, pre and post load on multi-vit and 5-htp. Oontzy music is amazing, lights are cool, Vicks smells awesome, and menthol cigarettes tastes fantastic. Have fun, be safe, and enjoy.

 

[kantor1003]

Thanks for the input How much should one be dropping then? 200mg? Oh, and keep in mind that my friend don't know anything about the purity, but if he had to guess it would be that it's about average, perhaps a little under.

Also, if he wants to extend his peak, would it be a good idea to top off snorting it then? or just drop more?

Oh, and where can one acquire 5-htp?

 

[Affinity]

Well, if he doesn't know the purity I would say invest in a test kit. But since the majority of people can't be bothered with such things, tread carefully as everything nowadays seems to be substituted with piperazine or other junk that could potentially kill you, if you take enough of it.

I'd just recommend starting off on 100mg which is about the average you would find in a capsule for the powder (aka Molly). It will prob take an hour to 2 hours to feel anything. And trust me, if that's his first time and the stuff he got is half decent, he'll be floored for at least a few hours and not require anymore. But if you do desire a bump, gum it. Lick your finger, stick it in the powder, and rub it on your gums. Tastes like dog dick but it'll do the trick and quickly too I might add.

5-htp can be found at most places that sell dietary and herbal supplements.

 

[kantor1003]

Well, if he doesn't know the purity I would say invest in a test kit. But since the majority of people can't be bothered with such things, tread carefully as everything nowadays seems to be substituted with piperazine or other junk that could potentially kill you, if you take enough of it.

It is pretty much a one time deal for him and he knows people that have already tested it (albeit, only by consuming it), so he don't want to invest in a kit at this particular moment in time.

I'd just recommend starting off on 100mg which is about the average you would find in a capsule for the powder (aka Molly). It will prob take an hour to 2 hours to feel anything. And trust me, if that's his first time and the stuff he got is half decent, he'll be floored for at least a few hours and not require anymore. But if you do desire a bump the effects quickly, gum it. Lick your finger, stick it in the powder, and rub it on your gums. Tastes like dog dick but it'll do the trick and quickly too I might add.

Ok, 100 mg. Hopefully that will do the trick Perhaps he will try the gum thing as well, but I presume that would be akin to snorting it, but instead of being absorbed in the nasal cavity, it is absorbed in the gums? thanks again for all the help.

 

[Affinity]

It is pretty much a one time deal for him

Famous last words.

Ok, 100 mg. Hopefully that will do the trick Perhaps he will try the gum thing as well, but I presume that would be akin to snorting it, but instead of being absorbed in the nasal cavity, it is absorbed in the gums? thanks again for all the help.

100mg or less will be a good starting point IMO just to get a feel for the purity and how one's body will react to it. It can be snorted no doubt, I'm just saying that unlike cocaine or opiates, it's much less effective than being ingested, it burns, and the drips... Gumming is a much better option in this case IMO and yes, it is absorbed through the gums much like it would be absorbed through your nasal cavities if you snorted it.

 

[kantor1003]

Ok, he thought it was pretty similar to the likes of speed and cocaine with regards to how effective it was to snort. Also, he seems to have a special "affinity" towards snorting compared to just consuming something.
Ah, and regarding the "one time thing", well.. ehm.. yes, I know how silly it sounds and have heard it countless times myself and went like "yeah, right".

"100mg or less will be a good starting point IMO just to get a feel for the purity and how one's body will react to it."
Sounds like sound advice. Preferably he would like to roll pretty hard though, but reading what you have said, it sounds like it's more than enough for a first timer.

 

[shoeless]

if you empty it into a liquid and drink it it will hit much quicker than if you were to use a blumba (parachute it, whatever, that's what we called it in germany).

if you snort it, it will also hit you faster, but like it's already been said, it will burn (which some people don't like but i've always enjoyed snorting things, sue me) and it won't last as long or be quite as intense. like i said, my only experience with mdma is snorting it. if i were to do it again (depending on the amount i have) i'd probably drink it, maybe top it off by snorting a little just to kick it in.

also yeah, 5-htp is found at any health supplement store. i work at one, i take it on a regular basis, it's not something you'd use recreationally and it's definitely not something you should take while you're doing the mdma. serotonin syndrome is no laughing matter.

 

[Doodle]

I agree withhttp://www.intpforum.com/member.php?u=3274 snafupants, erowids a fantastic website that has a massive catalog of drug basics, tips, trip reports etc. I used to read that shit as bed time stories

 

[snafupants]

Famous last words.



100mg or less will be a good starting point IMO just to get a feel for the purity and how one's body will react to it. It can be snorted no doubt, I'm just saying that unlike cocaine or opiates, it's much less effective than being ingested, it burns, and the drips... Gumming is a much better option in this case IMO and yes, it is absorbed through the gums much like it would be absorbed through your nasal cavities if you snorted it.

Did William Burroughs or Edward Murrow ever visit The Muppets set? That's a sick avatar.

 

[kantor1003]

A new question; how would it be to take it at a party (consisting of 2-3 people you know fairly well and 10-15 you either don't know or people you just have had one or two conversations with (all uni students)) if you knew you were the only one doing it? One should proba ly ask the one holding the party in advance whether it would be fine that you might turn up a little (lot) happier than usual with dilated pupils? I guess one would stick out quite a bit. Perhaps it would be a little awkward both for me and the others unless they are dancing to loud music by the time one get's there.

 

[lucky12]

Take it orally! Never snorted it before, so I'm biased. Parachute, don't mix in a drink. It's kind of nasty and bitter. Depending on the quality, it could kick in earlier than 45 minutes so don't plan on driving anywhere :P I did that once. Kicked in really quickly, good thing the roads were snowy cause no one was on them.

Have a good friend with you, the party wont be a problem. Have fun man, it's a cool perspective. When I do MDMA I just get very talkative and I can get people interested in really fun conversations. The body buzz feeling is really nice, but the effects on the mind are the best.

Do it all in one go, don't take more after your high subsides. 100 mg is good, if you have drabbled in drugs 200 mg isn't too crazy. 200 will sort of punch you in the face for a first timer though, it kicks in all at once seemingly.

 

[Synthetix]

First off, make sure he has real Mdma.. There are many other chemicals in powder or crystalline form that people present as Mdma, such as TFMPP, BZP, Methamphetamine, Methylone, 5-MeO-DiPT, as well as others.

You can obtain a cheap testing kit from www.dancesafe.org

Marquis is the most popular but for all round screening also use Mecke, Mandelin and Simons.. Simons reacts blue to the methyl group, therefore differentiating between MDMA and MDA.. If you like MDMA then I'll think you'll most certainly love MDA, they are like brothers, but MDA is longer lasting with a more psychedelic edge, however slightly more neurotoxic and, cardiotoxic. But MDA isn't as common as MDMA.. Still, MDMA is becoming increasingly more rare, in the United States, so a test kit is a must, even though it won't reveal non active substances.

For a complete GC/MS test of a sample, send your molly to www.ecstasydata.org... It's a pretty penny to have them test but they reveal exact chemical contents and the milligram weight of the entire sample.

Snorting it may take longer to kick in than expected.. The two routes of highest bioavailability are rectal (90%) and intravenous (99%).. I don't think rectal is going to appeal to anyone lol, but intravenous administration of MDMA will get the most out of how much he has.. If that way scares you then just take it orally. Hours after any meal.. Take a tums five minutes before.

 

[lightspeed]

I would simply just pour the powder in my mouth....endure the horrible taste (i love the taste it lets me know how good it is by how bad it tastes...) Because when in tablets, I would just chew them anyhow.


*wishing i could find some MDMA in okc myself*

 

[lightspeed]

True mdma is a beautiful thing....It really makes me be the person I want to be all the time on the inside....only on the outside....

 

[Synthetix]

MDMA has always been a wonderful drug to me.. I lost the magic with it for a while but have so far been on an eight month break.. A good and legal replacement for MDMA is 4-FA.. Lovely stuff but it still can't compare to the real thing. I recently ordered 5-MeO-MiPT, after hearing that it was a good, more psychedelic alternative to MDMA.. I found it more similar to a low-medium dose of shrooms, with a strong erotic taste to it.

 

[Synthetix]

I forgot to mention in one of my above posts that since the Simons reagent test reacts blue to methyl groups that it won't differentiate between MDMA and Methamphetamine, thus it is necessary to obtain one of the other three mentioned reagent kits.. preferably Marquis.

 

[Affinity]

I would simply just pour the powder in my mouth....endure the horrible taste (i love the taste it lets me know how good it is by how bad it tastes...) Because when in tablets, I would just chew them anyhow.

This is my preferred method as well. The taste is another avenue in which I can judge the quality before it goes completely down the hatch.

 

[Synthetix]

With supposed MDMA the taste test is far from accurate, yes it'll have a bitter taste but there are dozens of other chemicals that will have a taste indistinguishable from it. A reagent test is the only way to know for certain. Unless you're brave and gobble it down anyway to find out, or if your source is trusted and has a reputation for good quality stuff. However a candyshop sort of smell is present in many samples of high purity MDMA, due to the safrole used in synthesis. Maybe check for that smell as well.

 

[snafupants]

With supposed MDMA the taste test is far from accurate, yes it'll have a bitter taste but there are dozens of other chemicals that will have a taste indistinguishable from it. A reagent test is the only way to know for certain. Unless you're brave and gobble it down anyway to find out, or if your source is trusted and has a reputation for good quality stuff. However a candyshop sort of smell is present in many samples of high purity MDMA, due to the safrole used in synthesis. Maybe check for that smell as well.

So the Pepsi Challenge does not apply to street ecstasy? I'm learning a lot from this forum. The most valuable nugget is not to do ecstasy.

 

[Synthetix]

Lol nah, like I said above, the only way to know is to test it with one or preferably more of the reagents.. You can check the logo of a certain street ecstasy tablet on www.pillreports.com... But if you live in the U.S., buying pills is a gamble due to the fact that most pills marketed as ecstasy these days do not even contain MDMA, or may have small amounts of MDMA in combo with more dangerous chemicals.

 

[Affinity]

With supposed MDMA the taste test is far from accurate, yes it'll have a bitter taste but there are dozens of other chemicals that will have a taste indistinguishable from it. A reagent test is the only way to know for certain. Unless you're brave and gobble it down anyway to find out, or if your source is trusted and has a reputation for good quality stuff. However a candyshop sort of smell is present in many samples of high purity MDMA, due to the safrole used in synthesis. Maybe check for that smell as well.

Meh, I wouldn't trust anyone's inputs of tabs anyways. No one knows wtf they're buying, not even the dealers, and I see the quality of the stuff getting worse and worse as the years go by. So yes, test kit is the best way to go but I've never ever got one because realistically, I'm not going to go to some dealer and ask whether or not I can test their shit before I buy it and I don't plan to buy them only to find out that they are shit and end up throwing them away.

My best advice and the methodology that has worked the best for me is to find out what's in your local market, check sites such as pillreports and ecstasydata to find out what you can about prospective tabs and stock up when the good ones come through.

 

[Synthetix]

I remember when pokeballs were flooding the west, only MDMA and Caffeine, and the ratio was always in favor of the MDMA, sadly though, there hasn't been a legit batch of those in many months.. If you live in Chicago though and can get Mints you're good to go, they produce lots of good MDMA/MDA combos.. As for crystal and powder Molly in this country, there is plenty if you know good sources. Canadian brown sugar had been making its rounds recently, however the brown product is usually a sign of impurities, missing a good acetone wash after synthesis.

 

[kantor1003]

Thanks for all the input.
Well, smelling the powder it had, if not a "candyshop" smell, definitely a sweetish smell to it. Yes, I've heard that e has gone down the drain quality wise and one would presume that it is also the case in norway. Would it be fair to say, however, that molly, in general, is better quality, on average, compared to e pills?

Lucky12: The plan is to take 100mg and boost with 30mg after an hour. According to some data on erowid, it was a good way to extend the peak for someone with my friends body weight. He definitely doesn't plan to take anything when the effects subsides as it would be too late by then.

 

[Synthetix]

On average it really depends on your location, but overall Molly is usually more trusted, however the quality of both Molly and pills has seen a decline in recent years. And that's alright if your buddy wants to boost it I like extending the peak as much as possible. Just don't redose more than 90 minutes after the first dose. If you have more questions you can go to www.bluelight.ru and find the Ecstasy Discussion section, if you make an account, otherwise just find the Anonymous Posting forum where you can log in as a guest and ask your question there but make it clear that you want the post moved to the Ecstasy Discussion forum and a mod will do so.

 

[lightspeed]

MDMA has always been a wonderful drug to me.. I lost the magic with it for a while but have so far been on an eight month break.. A good and legal replacement for MDMA is 4-FA.. Lovely stuff but it still can't compare to the real thing. I recently ordered 5-MeO-MiPT, after hearing that it was a good, more psychedelic alternative to MDMA.. I found it more similar to a low-medium dose of shrooms, with a strong erotic taste to it.

Beautiful! I wish I were with you now! Oh dear....would I enjoy that!

 

[Cogitabundus]

A friend of mine got hold of some mdma in powder form and wants to snort it. Does anyone have any experience with it? Any information he should be aware of other than making sure of drinking enough (but not too much) water?

I have no experience with illegal substances outside of a petty marijuana usage. Sometimes the best experience is to always wonder rather than get yourself involved, especially with something so petty as a mind altering chemical.

 

[kantor1003]

Mind altering substances and the word petty doesn't line up in my book regardless of what moral stance I happen to have on the consummation of such drugs, either for spiritual-, or purely hedonistic reasons.

 

[Synthetix]

^ precisely my thought

 

[Cogitabundus]

Mind altering substances and the word petty doesn't line up in my book regardless of what moral stance I happen to have on the consummation of such drugs, either for spiritual-, or purely hedonistic reasons.

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.

I just think I'm better off not putting a chemical someone created without any regulation into my body.

I'm not morally against it. I respect the law, and I respect my body even more.

 

[kantor1003]

Judging from your reply, I think you must have misunderstood me. I was stating my disapproval of the word petty to describe mind altering substances, something I think you would agree with as well, especially when you mention how much you respect your body. I don't mind either way whether you condemn the use of such or not.
You respect the law? Why? In what way?
The law, in the case of MDMA, has done nothing other than making it more dangerous and the decision to make it a schedule 1 drug, as far as I know, wasn't based on any real evidence on it's potential harmfulness as much as people using drugs to enhance mood, instead of using it as a "cure", is frowned upon by todays society. If not, why is MDMA illegal while prozac, for example, is not? I can't respect laws made on pure bias, and I think it's foolish for anyone to do so.

 

[Cogitabundus]

Judging from your reply, I think you must have misunderstood me. I was stating my disapproval of the word petty to describe mind altering substances, something I think you would agree with as well, especially when you mention how much you respect your body. I don't mind either way whether you condemn the use of such or not.
You respect the law? Why? In what way?
The law, in the case of MDMA, has done nothing other than making it more dangerous and the decision to make it a schedule 1 drug, as far as I know, wasn't based on any real evidence on it's potential harmfulness as much as people using drugs to enhance mood, instead of using it as a "cure", is frowned upon by todays society. If not, why is MDMA illegal while prozac, for example, is not? I can't respect laws made on pure bias, and I think it's foolish for anyone to do so.

Thank for you for clarifying. Maybe I am wrong in thinking marijuana is petty, could be true. I just know that in my experience most people who smoke it are complete idiots. I did it only out of peer pressure. It's very different than alcohol. When I was high I was conscious of the fact I couldn't control myself, and freaked out 90% of the time. No fun. I need to feel in control of myself if not the situation.

Again allow me to restate. When it comes to drug use I never condemn anyone no matter how much I frown upon it personally. The only thing I ask of my friends who do partake is to not include me in the scenario. It works out swimmingly.

As far as the benefits and the legal side of MDMA I have nothing to say. Personally, I would never use it. The law says it is a Schedule I, so that is what it is to me. I'm indifferent at best. The difference between Prozac (which is also scheduled, III I believe) is that Prozac has been developed and marketed in a control environment.

I am not saying that people do not abuse prescription drugs. They do that more so than illicit ones. That's neither here nor now though in this discussion.

I apologize if my original comment may have been antagonistic, it was not my intention. I hope this clears things up, if not continues the discussion.

Cheers!

 

[snafupants]

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.

I just think I'm better off not putting a chemical someone created without any regulation into my body.

I'm not morally against it. I respect the law, and I respect my body even more.

Especially regarding drug policy in the US, I find the laws uncomfortably paternalistic. Nixon set a terrible precedent of railroading the Controlled Substances Act through without sufficient investigation, research, or really any hard evidence.

That's bad enough, but even if there was hard evidence I would suggest less harsh offense policies - none at all would be better - and that our tax money did not go towards punishing a victimless crime.

The stupidity of this law, in particular, and drug policy, in general, is that the least abusable substances, the ones that break behavioral patterns, are typically highest in the "offense" totem pole; as an example, marijuana is placed with heroin as most baneful, Schedule One; this is pretty interesting because marijuana is legal for medical use in over a dozen states and heroin is used as a post-surgery analgesic in Europe.

On a moral plane, I do not care too much what another person puts into her body, as long as she don't plan on driving, etc. and endangering others. Another thing is I feel people should have the right to volitionally kill themselves - with beer, heroin, foods, or cigarettes - without government/religious/moral intervention.

Oh, and one more problem I have with the drug laws and DEA is that they tend to heighten the appeal of drugs among already ignorant folk, they lead to a poorer quality product (as has already been alluded to in this thread), and they indirectly promote crime in "third world" countries and poor stateside communities among gangs...we would all be better without draconian drug laws that ultimately punish the wrong people (eroding civil liberties, etc.) and incentivize crime and violence and ignorance.

Why don't we also look at why people take drugs? That's a dangerous discussion that no US representative wants to embrace.

 

[Psychedelatry]

Do it.

Brilliant for INTPs who want to explore feelings in greater depth. Enjoy.

 

[snafupants]

Do it.

Brilliant for INTPs who want to explore feelings in greater depth. Enjoy.

Instead of constructive advice you get Nike slogans.

 

[kantor1003]

Well, this thread is, frankly, of no longer use to me.
Who knows though, I might have some questions again some time in the future. In the meanwhile, those who do happen to have some questions regarding MDMA and it's use, or have any experiences to share, I guess this thread is as good as any.

 

[Synthetix]

This is the wrong site for MDMA info.

Refer to

www.bluelight.ru

And find the 'Ecstasy Discussion' forum... Read the guidelines before asking a question though.

Or go to Erowid's MDMA vault.

 

[kantor1003]

This is the wrong site for MDMA info.

Well, yes.

 

[7even]

A friend of mine got hold of some mdma in powder form and wants to snort it. Does anyone have any experience with it? Any information he should be aware of other than making sure of drinking enough (but not too much) water?

I've heard that snorting it is pretty disgusting, and gives you a terrible burning sensation and taste in your throat.. and gets you constantly swallowing. Definitely bomb it I've heard, get a skin, make a cone with one closed end, put the power in, close the other end and make it crush the skin into a tiny ball then swallow.
Also, it should be crystals that'll indicate that it's quite pure, if it's powder you're never really sure what's in it, but it's definitely not pure. Start with 100 mg, or 150 mg - up your dose later if you feel you need too but I doubt you would. Don't mess around with this drug either, it alters your serotonin levels, and that's your happy centre. Pretty crazy what this drug does. Keep hydrated, remember you're tripping, and be in a good atmosphere. I heard chewing gum is a good idea too. I suggest not mixing either and not drinking alcohol. Though some people do a bit of ganj on the 'come down' which I've heard can be unpleasant but just stay positive! Next day, eat real healthy, vitamins etc. You're going to really fuck with your body so really give it a good treat when you wake up. - Take care of your body well, and get plenty of rest. Atleast this is what I've heard haha.

 

[Psychedelatry]

Instead of constructive advice you get Nike slogans.

Hahaha, fuck you. :P

 

[negativemotivation]

Snorting it isn't bad at all. If you want real snorting pain try one of the 2c's. The drip is fine if it isn't contaminated which it probably is. You can only roll as hard as your initial dose for the rest of the night so I would advise more then 100mg. I would also advise something to potentiate the molly considering the contaminates.