McCain is INTP?

[Eschaton]

I came here to this forum from the Type Logic page; they have McCain as an INTP? Is this right?

He seems introverted now in his communication style but a former flyboy navy pilot is introverted?

A ladies man and a bit of a jerk when it comes to women?

The whole perceiving rather than judging type doesn't fit with republican outlook?

Actually i can kind of see it in that the military life was chosen by his background not by him.

Maybe he is really not what he shows himself to be. maybe when elected he will be very different from the party? Maybe he does not have the strong social moral judgment the party espouses?

 

[ElectricWizard]

If he's an INTP, it probably means that he's an undercover commie. Which is awesome. If this is confirmed, maybe I'll support him.

 

[Eschaton]

exactly, this whole thing is making me take a second look. He is not a believer; maybe he is an undercover subversive. It is what i would be if i was in his position.

 

[Decaf]

Actually INTPs make pretty good pilots if they develop a good spatial awareness and have good reflexes. After all, ISTPs are the most common type to be a fighter pilot and we share the same dominant function. I don't know if they make the BEST pilots, but INTPs are underrated as athletes of all sorts... especially by other INTPs. Remember... when flying its better to think, then do. Introverts have the edge in that department.

I'm still working on whether or not I belive McCain is one of us. I remember seeing that claim too, but I just don't have enough information to make a judgement call.

 

[EditorOne]

I have no idea.

But he is capable of being emotionally tone deaf, which rings true for many INTPs.

Remember the terrible incident back in 1998 or 1999 when he was speaking to a bunch of Republicans and had a two-liner?

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because Janet Reno is her father."

An INTP could do that. Somebody said it to him, he thought it was clever, and that's as far as he went. He didn't "feel" how it would be received.

Everyone was pretty much appalled except, publicly at least, Chelsea Clinton. And McCain did apologize, with that befuddled look all INTPs get when we're doing something we're told we have to do without really understanding why.

 

[Ermine]

I don't know. He seems more extraverted, but as part of any presidential campaign, you can't totally be yourself. You have to put on an act so people will like you, be affiliated with the right people, be either a democrat or a republican, etc. But he seems to be more of a moderate with Republican leanings than a real Republican. In short, you can't tell for sure in a publicity stunt like a presidential campaign.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Ahh McCain, you've do it again (rhyme for an Australian TV ad)

Not being American I can't really make comments about your politics.

 

[mmortal03]

This new interview of him may shed some light on this: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4463698n

 

[mmortal03]

This new interview of him may shed some light on this: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4463698n

 

[Kidege]

I'm not from the US, and I haven't thought about this before, but if as you say, he's not a believer, maybe his actual beliefs are even more conservative than what he says? I mean, if he doesn't believe in what he says, what makes you think he's some kind of leftist?

Plus, they do say we're principled. Saying one thing and believing another for personal gain is generally considered as lacking principles.

 

[Thread Killer]

I'm convinced that McCain is ESTJ.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I'm convinced that McCain is ESTJ.

I hope he is ESFJ so I can tell myself that he and I are exact opposites.

 

[p0psicle]

He's ISTJ/ISFJ something. Definitely not N.

 

[Decaf]

I definitely think introvert drawn from his inability to get the press on his side without help. But for much of his career he was called a "maverick" by his party, which despite his very unimaginative position now, doesn't seem very sensor to me. Then again, maybe he's an ISTP and its the extraverted perceiver I'm picking up.

 

[Fedayeen]

According to Typelogic.com McCain is an INTP its right on the front page

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

According to Typelogic.com McCain is an INTP its right on the front page

I saw that yesterday. Been in a deep funk ever since.

 

[Gorgrim]

I don't know what to think yet!

EDIT:

he seem's surprisingly like an INTP when he make's his points, now that I'm actually trying to notice it.

He has some quite impressive INTP verbal skills IMO, if that's his type. I don't think the fact that he was in the military is an indication he cant be INTP either.

 

[Ermine]

I don't know what to think yet!

EDIT:

he seem's surprisingly like an INTP when he make's his points, now that I'm actually trying to notice it.

He has some quite impressive INTP verbal skills IMO, if that's his type. I don't think the fact that he was in the military is an indication he cant be INTP either.

There was a draft for Vietnam, so who knows? Maybe he didn't volunteer? His being INTP could explain why he's dangerously out of touch.

 

[Gorgrim]

Ah, im danish, and not so much into history. You could definitely have a possibility there. that he was drafted and didnt actually want to go.

McCain was eager to tell his war stories. If someday he said how he got into the military and how he ended up in combat, i'd be happy.

The way that he is a pilot tells me that he like's to be distant though. And intuition while flying in combat seem's like quite a good trait. Coupled with our dominant thinking. Maybe he was happy with the way his military job turned out. I don't know how it all happened back then.


But despite all that, it's also the way he acts in the interviews, he spends time thinking through his words more than I think Obama does. So in a sense Obama's speaches are mroe captivating but I enjoy McCain's words more.

Percieving for McCain also seems obvious. While I think it is atleast a good possibility that he has both INTP!

 

[Ermine]

No matter how much you don't like the thought of going into the military, it will improve you for the better. At the very least, you will be more physically fit and disciplined, and thanks to the GI Bill, there's hefty financial aid for college, a pension, and various discounts that come with being in the military. If it weren't for the having to obey orders and the chance of being killed, it's a pretty good deal.

 

[Waterstiller]

I think of McCain as some sort of INTP gone wrong. Our only hope try to turn him onto this forum somehow, but that seems unlikely since he doesn't use computers.

And the color scheme might freak him out. You know, with death looming so closely and all.

 

[mmortal03]

There was a draft for Vietnam, so who knows? Maybe he didn't volunteer? His being INTP could explain why he's dangerously out of touch.

Guys, you are forgetting that he attended the U.S. Naval Academy. Midshipmen commit to serve a minimum of five years after they graduate from there, so he wasn't drafted, he chose to join when he decided to go to school there.

 

[Jordan~]

No matter how much you don't like the thought of going into the military, it will improve you for the better. At the very least, you will be more physically fit and disciplined, and thanks to the GI Bill, there's hefty financial aid for college, a pension, and various discounts that come with being in the military. If it weren't for the having to obey orders and the chance of being killed, it's a pretty good deal.

You can be physically fit without going into the army, I'm not sure I see discipline as a good thing, university is free for me if I want it to be, and most jobs give pension (aside from state pension). Discounts, I can get from my gran, a compulsive discount-token-hoarder. :P
Doesn't seem like such a great deal, especially when you factor in things like post-traumatic stress disorder, and the likelihood that you'll need to kill people, which is almost as bad for me as the danger of being killed. Then there's the military lifestyle, and supporting a system you don't agree with. Euch, it's my worst nightmare.

 

[Decaf]

No matter how much you don't like the thought of going into the military, it will improve you for the better. At the very least, you will be more physically fit and disciplined, and thanks to the GI Bill, there's hefty financial aid for college, a pension, and various discounts that come with being in the military. If it weren't for the having to obey orders and the chance of being killed, it's a pretty good deal.

And the stories. I joined for all those reasons, and to feel like my life wasn't as boring as it felt. I had no stories worth telling, and even though I don't really tell those stories much anymore, its a subtle boost to my social confidence that I could tell a good story if I needed to.

I joined the national guard 3 months before Sept 11th 2001. I am not particularly gifted at timing. I wouldn't recommend joining now simply because of the neo-conservatives and the possibility of going to a war I don't believe we should have a part in. When that all goes away (and it will... eventually) I may change back to my original view of it being a useful thing to do with your life (if I'm still alive by the time we finally pull out).

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

I joined the national guard 3 months before Sept 11th 2001. I am not particularly gifted at timing. I wouldn't recommend joining now simply because of the neo-conservatives and the possibility of going to a war I don't believe we should have a part in. When that all goes away (and it will... eventually) I may change back to my original view of it being a useful thing to do with your life (if I'm still alive by the time we finally pull out).

Did you go to fight in Afghanistan or Iraq?

 

[Decaf]

Did you go to fight in Afghanistan or Iraq?

No. The paperwork that would have sent me to Afghanistan was delayed for two months, in which time other paperwork went through that scheduled my unit for closure, so my deployment was scrubbed. I got off lucky.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Guys, you are forgetting that he attended the U.S. Naval Academy. Midshipmen commit to serve a minimum of five years after they graduate from there, so he wasn't drafted, he chose to join when he decided to go to school there.

Don't get me started on McCain's military record.....However he is the son (and grandson) of admirals in the navy and went to the Naval Academy where he had a less than stellar record. He went on to have a less than stellar record as a pilot until he got shot down and captured. Depending on the source you believe, he crashed anywhere between two and five planes. But it is his lack of intellectual curiosity that he seems to display that makes me question his status as INTP.

 

[Gorgrim]

Well. He is running for president. I think that's a big step. I think he has to display as if he already knows everything he needs to, if he wanted to seek intellectual knowledge, he'd not do it in public while running for president. He knows he's experienced and that idea is enforced by the fact that he knows the things he has to know in the eyes of other people.

But beeing a president would be new challenges and alot of new experience as things go by.


i am personally more intrigued on how he found out he wanted to be the president, because I think he would do a good job, but it's an insanely enormous amount of effort to run for president.

Somehow though he managed to make discussions verbally, in public, pretty decently... He's must've worked tons on beeing decent socially and handling the pressure, that's problably why he is managing all this so well.


I have no definitive answer but I don't really doubt that he could be INTP .

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Don't get me started on McCain's military record.....However he is the son (and grandson) of admirals in the navy and went to the Naval Academy where he had a less than stellar record.

Well, not getting motivated to do schoolwork is a hallmark of INTP.

 

[Chronomar]

Okay, McCain may be an INTP, and therefore logical, but sometimes people are logical and use logic to come to the wrong conculsion. There are many different ways to look at a problem, and, as much as it hurts me as a logic based person, sometimes, to lead a group of people, you need to be "feeling" as well as "thinking". We see this again and again in history. The ruler who was either too feeling or too thinking. It's why leadership is reserved to a select few. Not many people's personalities are a perfect balence between thinking and feeling. As much as I love living as a logic person, I know I would totally mess up the country if I was president.

 

[Chronomar]

Well, not getting motivated to do schoolwork is a hallmark of INTP.

It is true that not getting started on assigned things is not my favorite thing, I would much rather learn about things and think about things in my own way (without mandatory assignments).

However, at an early age my mother impressed upon me that if I wanted to achieve anything and therefore be able to go into a career that I would enjoy, I had to do the mandatory work.

So now, I am like the perfect student, except I always secretly put everything off and only do it at the last minute. Becuase, amazingly, I am able to do the kind of work that looks like it took me two weeks in only 2 hours, I am able to look like a perfect student without actually being one! Perfect!

My mother is just like an INTP, except very organized and hyper-practical, not one to let her thoughts wander very much, but yet has the ablilty to understand all my crazy ideas. I haven't gotten her to take the test yet though, she doesn't trust tests and doesn't like to "waste time" (while time wasting is my primary ocupation).

Anybody else doing that kind of thing with their school (or job) work?

Sorry for being off topic.

 

[Zero]

Politicians are like hand puppets. It would be hard to say what McCain really is.

We do know, for sure, that he's old.... (I think that's all we really know about the "real McCain". Politics are politics).

I think it would be weird for an INTP to get into politics, that requires a lot of work, being in the public eye and having to give in a lot. I would assume most politicians to be S, because they're more common and also because S means DO something.

They might've seen McCain as an INTP, because he acted rather independently (apparently). They (Palin) kept calling him a maverick. It's hard to say what happened behind the scenes though. Despite what people think, he and Obama agreed on a lot of issues. They just played different parts on TV.

It's politics.

Typelogic also says that Jung was an INTP and a lot of place and people say he was an INFJ.

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

Zero - Thomas Jefferson did it! Go on wiki or something and read about how he got into politics and all. It's pretty cool. ^_^

 

[Firehazard159]

I'm kind of annoyed by seeing all the "No INTP would join the Military!" styled comments.

We have some members (as have posted, some that haven't.) that are currently in the military, it's something that quite a few of us are curious about. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

I joined the air force, and my job's won't have anything to do with standing around on the front line waiting to be shot. Realistically, the only thing I'm worried about *is* the severe structure system.

When you go into the benefits, the pay is amazing - all those little projects I've been wanting to work on but couldn't afford, well, I can buy those now.

All that education I want - I can now get, free. I plan on making a career out of being in the military if I can tolerate all the rigid structure. And I think I will be able to, because, we INTP's tend to have a razor sharp focus when we're determined to do something, and I'm determined to succeed and exceed expectations.

Chances of getting killed are extremely low for an INTP in the military. Intellectually, we'll tend to score high on the asvab, which means we're going to be put in more of an intel position rather than handed a gun and told where to shoot. Plus, the Air Force has the highest entrance standard intellectually, and the lowest casualty rate in our current wars (and probably overall too, but I haven't bothered to check.)

Rawr. Sorry, /end rant now.

All that said, maybe the military service *did* change McCain. Plus, chameleon-ing so many SJ's with stronger conservative views could have put him into a habit of being a somewhat unorthodox conservative (which, really sounds exactly like what an INTP would do, to me)

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

I don't think it makes sense to shoehorn political preferences or even life choices in with personality type. It's just a tool, not the defining aspect of a person.

I've considered joining the military, but for a variety of reasons don't actually intend to. Philosophical distaste of shooting dudes and getting told what to do are not among these reasons.

 

[Zero]

The 1800s counts as prior to Politics completely sucking and being a media stunt. I imagine politics were completely different back in the day. Politics today seem as legit as reality TV.

Besides, Jefferson was a man of many interest and talents. In the 1800s I guess I could see it working.