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Jesin

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Just dropping this link here:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=204240

It contains some interesting discussion on the reliability of the MBTI. Also, seems that the most common type there is INTP, followed closely by INTJ.

(Most of the discussion has stopped by now, as it started several days ago and has long since fallen way below the front page, but it's still interesting to read.)
 

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possibly because our type is more likely to actually be interested in typing, and the extroverts are probably doing something outside, not using the internetz.
 

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I want to add those human metrics websites are sometimes not very accurate. I've taken those a thousand of times, and I kept getting ISTJ. It wasn't until I took the official test that I got INTP. My roommate (an ESTJ) is really good at figuring out people's MBTI. He knew I was not an ISTJ and suggested that i take the official test just to see if it's different or not.

but hey, many INTPs are suppose to be programmers, so it makes sense that some of us are on the internet lol
 

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S/N

The more I understand the MBTI and Jung the more I think Jung had a better grasp on it and it's somewhat deluded. However, I think the MBTI is a good starting point and with it's popularity is hopefully bound to go into the right area.

The functions are very important, aside from the functions Jung mentioned Introversion and extroversion. I'm not sure where the Perceiving and Judging.

I've been trying to sort my thoughts on the matter of an accurate test based on pairing functions rather than focusing on each individual letter.

I particularly define the S/N axis as the different between brain preference. Intuitives would have a Right brain preference (for input and thinking). The right brain sees the abstract, bigger picture and general idea behind things. I would assume intuition as in "hunch" would be how the right brain responds to sensory information. Unconscious sensory.... Our conscious mind filters out small details, but our brain still notices them. In the purest definition of intuition I've had moments of it before.

When I was in middle school there was a phone call for our teacher I had a hunch about it being his wife, which I said aloud. Indeed it was and my friend thought I was psychic (we were in middle school). The chances that it would be our teacher's wife are probably higher than it would be anyone else (He didn't get a ton of phone calls or anything). In addition to this, the time of the day seemed to hint that it was more likely his wife. It was very close to the end of our day. At the time I wondered how I had known, but it seems like a few general details led to my intuition about it.

This happened in another incident where I knew I'd won this "lottery" drawing for a college giftbasket or whatnot. At first I didn't know how it was that I had such a hunch about it, but now that I look back I may have been aware of where my paper was place and more so the expression on the man's face was a hint. My first name is long and uncommon, my last name is odd to pronounce. I'm not sure at what point I had the "hunch", but I was sure about it before he said it. It seems few, small details like this are what lead to a hint. The annoying thing about this perception is that I can't actually recall details regularly for the life of me...

When details are paired with pictures I tend to remember better. For instance, I don't recall dates and names very well. However there's a picture in a book that says in 1818 Karl (something) had made a huge difference in the world, along with Charles Darwin 1806(?). I recall this, because of the pictures (I'm a visual learning with a visual memory [also said to be part of the right brain]), but it's extremely unusual for me to recall dates...

In a pure sense I think this "hunch" is what intuition is and what it means in contrast to Sensing. At the same time I also think, in the more general definition, it's a right brain preference.

We're taught that the left side of our brain is logical, but this is in a literal fashion. That is to say, a step by step, detailed oriented fashion. Like a sensor. I think sensors have a better time with remembering details and dealing with details. Their logic is actually what makes their problem solving more simplistic and straight forward. It also encourages an opposites complex (that is to say basically a good/bad axis. "If it works, don't fix it")

An intuitive makes a good problem solver because they're more right brained, they can think outside the box and consider the possibilities. They may not be detailed oriented, but are idea oriented. When they input information it's likely to be in a general sense, not a detailed one.

This makes the primary usefulness of a sensor that they probably have a better memory for details, the usefulness for an intuitive is that they can pick up the general principle. If you're somewhat read on the hemispheres of the brain I think this relates with S/N. Of course all people use both sides of their brain, even if it's split.

But here is an example of how the left brain and right brain work. I know I've given this example in a few places, it's one of those things that fascinates me... The brain has to be aware of space and where you are in a room all the time. The left brain keeps track of you and yourself, perhaps also certain objects. The right brain keeps track of where you are in a room, perhaps in a house, on a street...

The Thinking, Feeling difference doesn't seem as clear. I think it has more to do with the emotional mind and limbic system, but I've yet to really understand it. I can observe that feelers like to be personal and are concerned about people and also seem to have a hard time arguing logically. They get attached to things and places and familiarity. They also have a good/bad axis which is defined by how it effects people.
THUS and NF is going to be more willing to consider alternatives to current culture and ways of life. The familiarity/peace complex might keep them from wanting a lot of change though.
SFs are going to be positive on good/bad axis. This would supposedly be a double wammy. I'm not sure though, I don't know if I've met any SFs? I would assume SFs believe in the simplicity of a working system (sensing) and also see that a working system is good (for the people; feeling).

For thinking types it would seem that NTs are the ones who want to figure out how to change/fix the system and STs are the ones who want to keep the current system running smoothly. I think that NTs and NFs are both more likely to be curious. STs and SFs are likely to be more adventurous and active.
 

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Wow, interesting analysis. I have thought of how the left/right brain preference correlates with MBTI, i actualy was thinking about posting a test with a poll or something to see if we are all right brained. But you are way better than me to analyze this things.

Here is a fast test (maybe not so reliable but quite curious), if you see her turning clockwise then you are right brained; if anti-clockwise, left brained.

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Interesting thoughts, Zero. I was precisely reading about something like that earlier today... about relating the jungian functions with specific parts of the brain.... It claims that the left side is Judging, and the right Perceiving:

http://www.braintypes.com/16_types.htm
http://www.braintypes.com/brain.htm

Not sure about the "scientific data" they claim, but its an interesting thought...

@ Dissident: What happens if I see it going one way, and after a while, I see it going the other way? It just constantly switches!
 

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It means either nothing, or that you are balanced, like i said it may not be so accurate. I can only see it turning clockwise, ive tryed to see it turning the other way but i failed miserably :(

For a more comprehensive test you could check http://similarminds.com/brain.html
 

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We took the official test in high school but because I was so familiar with the system, I knew which question correlated to which preference. I was convinced I was INFP for the longest time and I scored INFP. I am sure if I took the test again, I would come out INTP as I feel I have a firmer grasp on what it means to decide by logic versus feelings. I would say my head rules my heart in most every situation.
 

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Definitely going Clockwise... I think I'm horribly right-brained... I have absolutely NO sense of direction...
 

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I know I'm right brained, because this was a part of the reason I had learning disabilities. I went to brain therapists to strengthen the connection between the hemispheres of my brain. Having CAPD (auditory processing disorder) may have been related to the weakness between the hemispheres of my brain or vice versa.

The physical therapy of the brain therapy has helped quite a bit....
Having this issue is probably why I have the interest in the brain and know as much as I do about it. In a way I'm my own test/research test subject.

I believe I saw the woman turning clockwise before, but I blinked while looking at her foot and she changed (started going counter clockwise). She appears to be going clockwise again now. She looks like she's doing a back spin. Visual information is processed in the right side of the brain. I will see how my mother responds to it.

I see some correspondence between J/P and right brain, left brain activity. Being orderly will likely be due to the left brain and J factor, but such orderliness can also be trained and laziness doesn't seem to be a right brain function more so than a left brain function. It's more a question of will and need, which I would suspect to be in the lower part of the brain... (perhaps not all the cortex) I see that a lot of this is environmental as well.

Surprisingly, my dad, who I think is a sensor, saw the figure turning counter-clockwise. I'm not surprised, because I think he's a sensor, but because I wasn't sure about this figure perception.

My mom saw her going counter clockwise at first as well.
 
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I already posted this but its gone for "Admin approval" (seems like my links look suspicious or something)

The revolving girl does work most of the times, but its not guaranteed, you can find a better test here:

similarminds,com/brain,html
(change the coloms for dots, i know its stupid but otherwise its gonna be blocked again)

Please nevermind the previous post whenever happens to appear
 
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Brain Lateralization Test Results

Right Brain 46%
Left Brain 52%

[SIZE=-7]*results won't usually add up to 100% as this test measures each side seperately[/SIZE]... Overall you appear to have fairly Equal Hemispheres

Does that make me... ambi-hemisphere-trous? So that explains I can see the revolving girl going both ways just as easily...
 

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Left: 22
Right: 66

Well, that explains why I can only see her moving clockwise... and I've TRIED to see her moving the other way...
 

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My God! That woman is awesome.

The simularmind teast said moderately right, but I felt some of the words ambiguous. Too many possible connotations and denotations; I ended up choosing accurate on many seemingly contradictory questions based on the fact that somewhere in the possible meanings of what was asked, one of them was accurate. Since inaccurate means 'empty set' it was no longer the right answer.

I saw the woman going clockwise, and was almost convinced that it could never go the other way, rigged. After a while I figured out how to will it into going counter-clockwise. I focused on a particular body part, her extended foot. The when it circled around the back, I told myself it was going around the front, and it worked. It stayed that way untill I willed back to clockwise, which was much easier.
 

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what the fuck! how can it go anti-clockwise? I can't make myself see it.

tried for 10 minutes. hmm...
 

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64 right, 36 left. But then I can only see that girl thing going anti-clockwise. wtf?
 

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what the fuck! how can it go anti-clockwise? I can't make myself see it.

tried for 10 minutes. hmm...


Takes a bit of effort, but I can get it to reverse by concentrating on her extended toe and blinking as it passes the 'front' of the screen (ie. at 6 o'clock).
 

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when i closed my left eye and only looked at the feet, i was able to get it anti clockwise, otherwise i can only get it clockwise.
 

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I see the dancer going counter clockwise. She switched after a while, then went back to counter and got stuck on that.

Edit: she keeps switching now! Try focussing on the shadow of her moving foot.
 

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aha! that did it. lol the shadow was the only way I could get it to switch.

I must be pretty horribly right-brained too, though, because I can't even get her to switch when I know what I'm looking for, unless I look at the shadow first.
 

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Overall you appear to have fairly Equal Hemispheres

I see the spinning lady going clockwise when I first see her, but then she starts switching directions regularly.
 

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I would like to draw everyone's attention to what I posted in another thread:
And what does her perceived direction of rotation have to do with which side of the brain you use more? Why would there be any connection?
 

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Definitely going Clockwise... I think I'm horribly right-brained... I have absolutely NO sense of direction...

im perdy shur' thats a left brain trait. hmm, that test is bogus i think. no offenence, it was fun while i believed it.
 

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After about ten minutes, I can now get it to switch =)

Right Brain 52%
Left Brain 44%
 

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I think we had a different thread for that test.
 

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Everyone else is posting it here.
 

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Is? Look at the date.
 

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Oh wow! cryptonia has L as his avatar!..........I know this has no relevence to the thread I just wanted to say it.......
 

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I KNEW I'D SEEN THAT FACE BEFORE!

*epiphany*
 
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