Mates (Partners for male INTPs)

[Perseus]

I think the best choice is the Ferret or Weasel (ENFP). That's if you have enough money. This is the Journalist. I wish I knew this when I was younger. Whether the INTP is the best choice for the ENFP is a different matter altogether ??? The best choice for the ENFP is the INTJ Hawk. I tend to just miss the Ferrets.

Failing that the Wolf (ENTJ) or possibly the Bull (ESTJ). The latter is a Guardian. The latter two may be best if they are earners. The Wolf is usually a Manager and the Bull a bureaucrat. Who then wears the trousers?

The worse ones I have found out are the Bear (ISTP), Panda (ISTP variant) or the Horse (ESFJ).

I do not care for the conniving and unfaithful Cat (ISFP) even it if is aspiring to be a Dragon (INTP).

If there is a shortage a young Nurse or Secretary which I call the Little Bear (ISTP) could work, but it went badly wrong for me. That's really only if you are desperate. The same applies to Ponies (ESFJ). The problem is lack of shared interests and matched intelligence.

There ought to be a separate group for Mates/Partners called Relationships (suggestion). I find it appalling difficult, having made the mistakes with Guardian types.

The best match for the INFP Dragon (which I revert to under distress) is the Teacher or Beaver (ENFJ). The other possibility is the working Dragon (not the sleeping one) INFP. This applies to the INTP as well.

Link

http://www.personalitypage.com/relationships.html

This has been enlarged on

http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/11/relationships.html

 

[Perseus]

Who do INTPs and INFP girls usually marry from observation.

Usually, they seem to hitch up with a ISTP Bear and have lots of overweight children. The observation difficulty is separating the INTJs from the INTPs. This appears to be the British culture that causes these matches.

The other possibiity is they get pregnant by a ESFJ Pony (often a hoodlum) and get lumbered. This happens with ENFP Ferrets as well. The Ferrets get beaten. If they marry hoodlums, other people get beaten up as well. They may turn into malignant Weasels.

See the "The Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands".

 

[Auburn]

Dragon

One of the best matches I see for an INTP male, is the INFP female. This, however will not work well unless both are mature in their inferior functions (Fe) (Te). I belive these two functions are the keys to making this matchup ideal.

I read somewhere that each type is attracted to the type with it's same dominant function (S, N, T, F) but in opposite orientation (E or I). If an INTP learns to use Fe properly, it will beutifully satisfy the INFP's dominant Fi. Likewise if the INFP learns to develop Te, it will stimulate the INTP's dominant Ti to no end.

Ferret

I've never known a Ferret before, but from their cognitive functions (Ne, Fi, Te, Si) I can see it working very well. I imagine both of their Ne's could take off into a world of fantasy and daydreaming. I can also see how the Ferret's Te can be a great source of logical stimulation for the INTP male.

Butterfly

Indeed, the butterfly is good for a rainy day. I have an ESFP friend who took me out of a very difficult time by simply being a fun loving spontaneous friend. This, however, is too much extraversion for me to sustain for long.

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Also, Perseus, everyone has one certain type that does not change over time. Each animal is 'dynamic', meaning able to morph into something else temporarily, but it will never lose it's original form. I believe this morphing is due to the temporary exposure of those more hidden functions - but I have to verify that.

 

[Perseus]

Morphing. When I do popular presentations and TV appearances (occasionally) I have to hook the audience. Therefore, I need to deliberately hook into the Sensor world just a little. That's in theory. I probably do ENTP which is just extroversion which is about even for me as XNXP as near as dammit.

Ferrets are very adventurous and take a fancy for sexual experimentation outside of relationships, unless they come a cropper. If they are unaware they may get mistaken for ESFJs which are a nightmare. Dragon females can be insular and too private socially, and can be Cat-like if they have lowish intuition. High intuition Dragons would be nice. I am not sure I have ever met any close-up. I have seen them as other people's wives.

I have so much trouble over partners that I am in despair.

 

[Auburn]

Morphing (my theory)

An example:
An eagle has the cognitive processes Ti-Ne-Si-Fe. Normally only the partnership Ti-Ne is noticeable as this is the core of the INTP. The third and fourth functions are not seen often.

However, even when an INTP does expresses it's Fe it does not become ENFP. It is still INTP, but it more resembles a Skylark (Ni-Fe) or Horse (Fe-Si) at the moment because it's Fe is temporarily being exposed.

An INTP using Fe will demonstrate: Extraversion, iNtuition, Feeling & Perception - at the moment - but cognitively speaking they are not an ENFP.

INTP + Fe active:
Fe-Ne-Si-Ti (?)

ENFP - Normal:
Ne-Fi-Te-Si

As you can see, there is still a large difference internally.
I think it is therefore safer to look at the roots (cognitive processes) to determine type, instead of the surface

 

[Jennywocky]

Also, Perseus, everyone has one certain type that does not change over time. Each animal is 'dynamic', meaning able to morph into something else temporarily, but it will never lose it's original form. I believe this morphing is due to the temporary exposure of those more hidden functions - but I have to verify that.

This is my experience: There are still differences between an INTP using Ne more than Ti, versus an ENTP. (As an example.) They still have their original motivations and inclinations.

 

[Perseus]

Relationship Notes

INTP Weaknesses
http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP_rel.html
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My notes in brackets
Not naturally in tune with others' feelings; slow to respond to emotional needs
(This is a big problem, which causes missing mates.)
Not naturally good at expressing their own feelings and emotions
(This OK in privacy and in suitable environments, but hopeless if there is competition or when the INTP feels unsafe)
Tend to be suspicious and distrusting of others
(with good reason)

Not usually good at practical matters, such as money management, unless their work involves these concerns
(Bloody nuisance.)
They have difficulty leaving bad relationships
(Get into a rut)
Tend to "blow off" conflict situations by ignoring them, or else they "blow up" in heated anger
(Can feign unconcern successfully, but is this good policy?)
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Most INFPs will exhibit the following weaknesses with regards to relationship issues:
May tend to be shy and reserved
(A big problem)
Don't like to have their "space" invaded
(yep)
Extreme dislike of conflict
(nope)
Extreme dislike of criticism
(when unfair)
Strong need to receive praise and positive affirmation
(dislike being taken for granted)
May react very emotionally to stressful situations
(can do when seriously bad, but more of an INTP trait)
Have difficulty leaving a bad relationship
Have difficulty scolding or punishing others
(not as recently, but let abuse go on for too long)
Tend to be reserved about expressing their feelings
(with good reason to avoid getting into trouble)
Perfectionistic tendencies may cause them to not give themselves enough credit
(?)
Tendency to blame themselves for problems, and hold everything on their own shoulders
(trying not to do this, vented feelings at others)

 

[Auburn]

Perseus, what if you take this test:
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/assessment/develop_old.html
or
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/assessment/surveyOriginal.html

This will attempt to tell you what your true type is by examining your cognitive functions. Let me know what you get

 

[Perseus]

This is my experience: There are still differences between an INTP using Ne more than Ti, versus an ENTP. (As an example.) They still have their original motivations and inclinations.

I have a bit of a problem using the Ti and Ne terms. I have read somewhere, with the auxiliary functions etc, but I am running high stress on inferior function right now and I have been for 18 months.

Have you got a web page where I can see how it works please?

I am reading from Quenk, and I do know the score, but I am not nerdish enough to get lost in technical terms. I run Goldon Boy without the dosh, but more likely to go Religious (if I was that inclined which I am not) than Nerdish. I have got a stalker bullying problem. These are Guards after my Dragon (INFP) and Snake (ENTP) selves. I need some money desperately, so I have a bigger castle, or more likely a Thundersbarrow with more treasure. Then I can Guard the treasure, dragon-style. Trouble is I am more like a highly edible Marzipan Dragon.

 

[Perseus]

Perseus, what if you take this test:
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/assessment/develop_old.html
or
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/assessment/surveyOriginal.html

This will attempt to tell you what your true type is by examining your cognitive functions. Let me know what you get

First test:

I am running at Critical Stress level right now and I came out as ENFP (Ferret).

I am not currently running true to type. True type is XNXP so it is not far out. INTP is definitely my type though, it is just the extraversion and Thinking are not much above average.

 

[Perseus]

On the second test, I came out as INTP.

Thanks for the links. I found the choices difficult.

 

[Perseus]

I am using Ne and Ni mostly.

Intuition instead of Sensing.

However, it is my Perception (ahead of Judging) which is getting me into trouble, stress-wise. I take in too much information (by the ENTJ & INTJ standards) and relate it to arcane knowledge. Well, this is to be expected, as they do not know my personal experience, and I am going to tell them either as they would not understand, how can they?

But the sensors are causing trouble with their intimidation and violence.

 

[Auburn]

I have a bit of a problem using the Ti and Ne terms.

To say it simple, there are 8 cognitive functions:

Perceptive
Ni, Ne, Si, Se

Judging
Fi, Fe, Ti, Te


Upon growing up as a child, we begin to use one of these as our Dominant. Then we develop an Auxiliary (supporting) function. If the first was a perceiving function, the second will be judging function (and the opposite is also true).

Since there are 4 perceiving functions and 4 judging functions, there are 16 possible combination (4x4=16). It only takes these first two functions to determine which of the 16 types you are.


The Eagle (INTP) = Ti, Ne

The Snake (ENTP) = Ne, Ti

The Ferret (ENFP) = Ne, Fi

The Dragon (INFP) = Fi, Ne


The question for you, Perseus, is which first two functions do you use?

 

[Perseus]

Do Wolf (ENTJ) Ladies exist? Perhaps, I should say female Wolves?

Career list:

program designer
attorney
administrator
office manager
chemical engineer
sales manager
logistics consultant
franchise owner
new business developer
personnel manager
investment banker
labor relations
management trainer
credit investigator
mortgage broker
corporate team trainer
environmental engineer
biomedical engineer
business consultant
educational consultant
personal financial planner
network integration
...specialist
media planner/buyer


I do not move in these circles.

Bullies (ESTJ)

government employee
pharmaceutical sales
auditor
computer analyst
technical trainer
project manager
officer manager
factory supervisor
credit analyst
electrical engineer
stockbroker
regulatory compliance
...officer
chief information officer
construction worker
general contractor
paralegal
industrial engineer
budget analyst
data base manager
funeral director


More likely a few of these. Apart from the first one, they seem more like a job for the boys. Factory supervisors tend to be rather boring and cold. Boring is out of the question, cold I don't mind.

For a fancy Dress Party, I would go as Columbo the Detective and enquire (Ferret, ENFP) into people. This is the extravert. The INFP is the Dragon. When I am sleeping at Thundersbarrow, the sensors may think I am hibernating Bear (ISTP) and this misrepresentation causes me great distress.

A proof reader may be a EXTJ ? I have a sub-editor in the past who is very pernicky and gets cross.

 

[Perseus]

Ne, Fi
Ne, Fi (clear leader)
so Ne, Fi it is.
But I am functioning under stress.

Looks like I am Ferret at the moment. This may be an aberration because of most unusual relationship cirumstances.

 

[Perseus]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Verdana, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type:

INFP
Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENFP, or INTP

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[FusionKnight]

Hey Perseus, how'd you get your own Lair in this forum?

 

[Perseus]

Hey Perseus, how'd you get your own Lair in this forum?

Somebody else's (the Moderator) Judgement Call after secret messages, probably. Welcome to the shadow world of the devil and deception of the INTP.

 

[Perseus]

Because I am stressed out, I think I am acting more like ENTP & INFP, Snake which spooks the Horses (ESFJ) and causes very big trouble, and Dragon which annoys all the Guardians (SJ).
The ESFJ want to kill me and they have tried once, and the SJ Guardians just intimidate and threaten me. The INTP is lonely "All along the Watchtower". ENFP annoys people with secrets to hide and criminals and cheats.
The ENTP is a motivator, and if there are sadists, violent people, they get motivated as well. So do not be surprised if I am a bit reserved in the strange company, as it can be dangerous. Stalked by righteous nutters with a propensity for violence. It has already involved the Police and just about every imaginable authority.

 

[Perseus]

Change is Now

I am now making sensory observations (that I have overlooked before) and I am putting in the context of my MO, and also it requires thinking. In this way both by Sensing and Thinking are increased. Introversion and Perception are also increasing. No energy expenditure involved.

XNXP is becoming INTP. Intuition is still very high. Trend moving towards the ISTP, which is the Bear. Not sure about this. Check cognitive processes.

Checked
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/extravertedintuiting.html

Not moving towards sensing at all. Just making sure I do not miss things, which is a refinement on intuition. This is just personal growth when sober. Perhaps, I am growing up!?

When awake, thinking can be increased. I am not missing things when I concentrate.

 

[Kidege]

Somebody else's (the Moderator) Judgement Call after secret messages, probably. Welcome to the shadow world of the devil and deception of the INTP.

No secret messages. There was an open discussion about how this forum should encompass a diversity of subjects, and about how there were so many threads on Perseus' interests that it seemed animal typing was the only purpose of the forum. The way I see it, the solution was fair.

Here's the link.

 

[FusionKnight]

Interesting.

 

[Auburn]

Ne is definitely one of the two main functions, and the other is probably Fi.
This means either ENFP or INFP

I actually have met some Ferret now that I remember. They are very social and openly warmhearted. They are quick to complement others. This expression will be seen even in early childhood.

I've also met a few Dragons. Very shy and secretive, but also lovers of people. They like to imagine and often times create their own little world where they may spend hours living. The "Dreamer" is a very accurate title.

If I had to be the one to say, I would say you're more like an INFP. However, this is just my opinion from the little I know you. INFPs are self reflective and very concerned with their own 'identity' just as the INTPs.

However, I don't really think you're 'naturally' an INTP. Your Ti came up as very weak on the test. INTPs have dominant Ti, and even under stress, I don't think it would go that far down in an INTP.

But, yes, since you are under stress the results may be inaccurate. It must be difficult trying to understand yourself during stressful times. I really hope things get better. Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help.

Here are the definitions of what tends to happen to these two types under stress. Perhaps you can relate to one of these?

ENFP Under Stress

ENFPs have a tendency to overextend themselves in both their physical and emotional commitments. Their proclivity to procrastinate and to overlook details complicates their circumstances. ENFPs often move on to new ventures without completing those they have already started. Their charming personalities can show signs of irritability and over-sensitivity when their desires to please different people come into conflict. During times of stress, ENFPs feel alienated. They then engage in deceptions that serve to obscure what is occurring within themselves.

The ENFP finds symbolic meanings behind the immediate circumstances. These meanings are construed as foreboding problems when ENFPs are under stress. Having a pervasive feeling of losing control over their own independent identities, ENFPs will feel virtually split apart by intruding circumstances. They will be "besides themselves" and "just not all there" — as if something, or someone, has taken away the essence of who they are. Not feeling like themselves, the ENFP will become subject to their own feelings of shame for being a phony, a fake or an impostor. If stress continues to grow, they may attribute malevolent schemes to others in order to explain away their fears.
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INFP Under Stress

INFPs feel internal turmoil when they find themselves in situations in which there is conflict between their inner code of ethics and their relationships with others. They feel caught between pleasing others and maintaining their own integrity. Their natural tendency to identify with others, compounded with their self-sacrificial dispositions, tends to leave them confused as to who they really are. Their quiet personalities further feeds their feelings of depersonalization. The INFP's quest for self-identity then seems even more alluring — but increasingly impossible to attain.

As with all NFs, the INFP will feel lost and perplexed at stressful times. As stress builds, INFPs become disconnected from their own personality and perceived place in life. They will lose sight of who they are in relation to time and place. They may not make basic observations, while instead they will focus on the more abstract and symbolic meanings of a particular interaction. This can sometimes baffle those who expect more direct communication and a fairly concrete relationship.

http://www.iloveulove.com/psychology/personality/perstypestress.htm
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[Perseus]

I am definitely an INTP, but very close to a XNXP. Thinking (Rational type by the David Keirsey book) is low because the resolution component is not high (sometimes negligible) like proper Thinkers. This is experience and deduction and might not be in the books. Lack of resolution has made me easily revert to the Dragon.

My stress level is marked by hypersensitivity to relationships (INTP), with only a temptation to impulsive action (INFP). The temptation is baulked by the the Thinking process. It is all very clever thought out. It is mucked up and more Dragon-like because of my lack of social etiquette.

Note my job choice if I had the opportunity (limited use made of) in order would be:

Writer (INXP style)
Strategic Planner (INTP)
Graphics Designer (INFP)
Researcher (INFP)
Professor (INXP)
Environmental Planner (INTJ)
Staff Development (INTP)
Poet/Novelist/Playwright (INFJ)
Bar Owner/Art Director (ENTP)
Recreation Director (ENFJ)

 

[Perseus]

Ne is definitely one of the two main functions, and the other is probably Fi.
This means either ENFP or INFP

INFP Under Stress​

INFPs feel internal turmoil when they find themselves in situations in which there is conflict between their inner code of ethics and their relationships with others. They feel caught between pleasing others and maintaining their own integrity. Their natural tendency to identify with others, compounded with their self-sacrificial dispositions, tends to leave them confused as to who they really are. Their quiet personalities further feeds their feelings of depersonalization. The INFP's quest for self-identity then seems even more alluring — but increasingly impossible to attain. ​

As with all NFs, the INFP will feel lost and perplexed at stressful times. As stress builds, INFANTs become disconnected from their own personality and perceived place in life. They will lose sight of who they are in relation to time and place. They may not make basic observations, while instead they will focus on the more abstract and symbolic meanings of a particular interaction. This can sometimes baffle those who expect more direct communication and a fairly concrete relationship.​

http://www.iloveulove.com/psychology/personality/perstypestress.htm​

In a typical INTP manner, I am unable to accept the above analysis as wholly accurate, and I am prepared to accept that at the Critical Stress level (sometimes called PTSD) that the above would actually apply. And it did do at one time, but I have adapted (especially regarding basic observations, achieved by increasing the Thinking process, possible when awake). But traumatic stress, is a bit below my stress level of visual hallucinations and sleep deprivation, so the study has to escalate a little bit.

The more accurate analysis (bit still not right) can be found at:

Logic Emphasised to an Extreme

Effective dominant extraverted feeling types are quite comfortable making decisions that are non logical. Introverted thinking types in the grip of interior extraverted feeling may be compassionately insistent on the application of logic, becoming quite emotional about their approach. As an extension of the loss of control over the thinking function, the introverted thinker begins to engage in excessively logical, unproductive thinking. There may be an obsessive quality to this thinking. One ISTP feels compelled to "prove" the accuracy of his
perception of things. An INTP said, “lf a problem comes up that I’m unable to resolve, I work at it anyway and can’t let go of it, even if l know cannot solve it, convinced that he or she is unloved and ultimately unlovable.

Other introverted thinkers report becoming less articulate, speaking their childhood feeling of being extremely different from other children, rapidly and disjointedly, obsessively trying to solve the insoluble, using marching to a different and unacceptable drummer. often with no clue
sharp, clear, but “paranoid” logic. They may find that they forget things, about how others see things. The memory of childhood misery and misplace objects, and engage in futile projects that don’t accomplish helplessness may intensify the adult’s inferior function experience.


Further text at The Grip:

http://www.glaucus.org.uk/The-Grip.jpg

The paranoia and unproduction is a bit like these blog entries. It depends on the measurement. By INTJ standards and ENTJ standards they are paranoid (Because our perception is higher) and unproductive (as the results cannot be measured in the acceptable worldly view by the judges).

I am sure that psychiatry is a confidence trick an their designations are all illusions, but this view is only shared by a certain type or Perceived. I score 11 out of 12. I bet the 12 out of 12 ones think personality types are an illusion as well, but I am not there, but I have an inkling they could be right. Cognitive intuitive processes.

People who criticise "personality type" thinking are usually Earthlings (S) with an agenda that would be called into doubt by different types. These are mostly the Guardians (SJ) who think their way is the only one.

I may be suffering (partly enjoying) transference stress (now switching), which is emotional theft or swapping with a ESFP. This can happen in connection relationships where you grab parts of each others personality.

 

[Perseus]

PS: ENFP stress comes to journalists. "Get a proper job" says the Earthling.
This a direct attempt to belittle the Ferret.
They only understand the pay packet and writers do not get paid very much, cause Earthlings do not read much.

 

[Perseus]

No secret messages. There was an open discussion about how this forum should encompass a diversity of subjects, and about how there were so many threads on Perseus' interests that it seemed animal typing was the only purpose of the forum. The way I see it, the solution was fair.

Here's the link.

No complaints, I was just being mischievous.

I would like a separate group for relationships though.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/
There's a Hole in Reality through which We Can Look if We Wish

 

[Perseus]

Got a shade of ENTP last night. It is not so much that Snakes cannot hear (this one can) but to put it bluntly, we don't shag models (or ghosts). Somebody is trying to work an oracle on me and succeeding to the point of me thinking about suicide. Hope is still in the box. Don't even fancy shagging live whores, courtesy of Bester.

 

[Perseus]

It may be that the Ferret (ENFP) is the worst match, being the Queen of Hearts!

Nor sure, The Dragon may be the Queen of Hearts and it is small morph-shift from the Ferret.

 

[Perseus]

How the malignant Weasel (ENFP) is Made and other Stories


How the malignant Weasel (ENFP) is Made and other Stories

She (or he) starts off as an honest Ferret and marries a Horseman (because she is so keen on new experiences like sex, and the Horses are the randiest players around) and then gets beaten about a bit. Therefore, she runs off with a third person. When she returns to hubbie, she has to Weasel her way out with all her lies eliminating her casual lover (who becomes a casualty).

It is the Eagle (INTP) that is most at danger because of the attraction between the two and because the Eagle cannot see how he or she attracts the opposite sex.

That is why the Ferret should choose the Hawk (INTJ). The Eagle should choose the Wolfman (ENTJ).

 

[Perseus]

The Mongoose (ENFP) torments the Snake (ENTP).

Type Relationships says Companion.

Companion
similar modes of expression: bear each other's company well

Puff the Magic Dragon (Malignant INFP) terrorises the Snake.

 

[Perseus]

Cat v Eagle


A section is devoted to using this information with problem solving and communication. All eight functions are needed when dealing with problems. Here is where the value of the combined skills of a group are shown to be greater than those of the individual, assuming the group process allows for all of the eight functions to be utilized. When looking at how the eight functions relate to communication, diagramming the dynamics of each type will help show the difficulties of communicating and what must be done to alleviate the problem. E.g.: An INTP has Ti as the Leading process while an ISFP has Ti in the eight position or the Devilish process. This makes it It is easier to see why these two types have difficulty in communicating and why they have to work at overcoming these difficulties.

Berens, Linda V., Dynamics of Personality Type: Understanding and Applying Jung’s Cognitive Processes, Huntington Beach, CA: Telos Publications, 1999, ISBN 0-9664624-5-9, 60 pp

http://www.trytel.com/~jfalt/Rev-per-type/dyn-ber.html

ISFP: "Artist" = CAT 5% Synthesizing (part of Composing)
Goes where she enjoys best advantage. Independent and unfaithful if neglected.

INTP: "Architect" = EAGLE 1% Designing
High flier in the clouds with talons.

 

[Perseus]

I think the INFP Dragon is a bit problematical as well. Dragon at the extreme Feeling end goes Heart to Head and the Eagle goes Head to Heart. I expect (my intuition) says that extreme Feeling types may cause problems for the Rationals. It is how to cater for their emoptional needs, and lots of sexual desire in casual relationships. It is hard to even speak to the ones that come all out in roar emotion.

 

[Agent Intellect]

what about mates for people in between?

 

[Perseus]

An ENFP Mongoose is great, but can she control her emotions? This is when the Feeling level is high and Thinking is almost non-existent at times, even thinking about emotions. In this way they can resemble the ESFJ young Pony, except the Perception is more like an Artisan. If the Intuition is a bit on the lowish side, can resemble the Panther (ESFP).

 

[Perseus]

The trouble with the Ferret is she can try and Weasle out of it.

 

[Perseus]

The Secretary Bird (IXXJ) is a good choice. She is not a goer.

 

[Gorgrim]

it is obvious to me that you learn, through enviroment, to deal with other functions than your own. It can be observed in how Persues has distinct problems with ESFJ's, while, my sister, being ESFJ, and several others, don't get to me. Aswell as not getting to me, i've noticed that they bring positive associations for me.


with that said, 'ENFP' is the exact type my mother is, and we get into problems all the time. I might attribute it to beeing my mum, because I seem to get a long with ENFP's in class.

Also. I've got a mate from school, who is positively ENTJ, while one of his friends are ISTJ ( that i cannot stand). both of them are J, and have extroverted thinking, but while ENTJ and ISTJ works...

ISTJ - INTP don't. And it's a problem, because i only like talking to the ENTJ.


anyway, the point is, the more you develop yourself and functions to better suit different people's need, the easier it becomes and the more enjoyable.

To an extent, certain types cater to INTP's though. And at the same time, it depends on who the actual person is, because even with two diffrent INFJ's, i've found that I've been able to relate much easier to one, because of similar circumstances growing up, and such.


With that said, I know an INFJ that would basically be the ultimate girl, albeit older than me, and not from Denmark, making it abit useless. And ofcourse, two of my male friends, both beeing ENTJ, would be really yummy if they were female. )

I also think i would like ENFPS, just as my mum is. I think i would find utopia with a ENTJ girl if we worked well enough together. but, alot of it depends on the person, and it makes it kind of hard, imo.

 

[Perseus]

INTJs tend to be secretive. ESFJs of the oppoisite sex are easier to handle. They are still a nightmare though, especially the young Pony girls. The problem is if they are heavy on the Feeling (of the moment) and lacking in the Thinking department.

 

[Perseus]

Although two well-developed individuals of any type can enjoy a healthy relationship, the INTP's natural partner is the ENTJ, or the ESTJ. The INTP's dominant function of Introverted Thinking is best matched with a partner whose personality is dominated by Extraverted Thinking. The INTP/ENTJ match is ideal, because these types shared Intuition as a common way of perceiving the world, but INTP/ESTJ is also a good match. How did we arrive at this?
http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP_rel.html
Animal types: This is the Wolfman (or Wolf Lady) and the Bully (or Cow).

In practice, the Wolf Lady wants things her way (if she does not say straight away, she will quite soon). She will try to use sex as a bargaining tool.
The Eagle and Cow (as bad as a Cat) simply does not work. The Eagle has to transform to Snake and tease the life out of the poor little Cow to get any reaction whatsoever.

 

[Fukyo]

Perseus what are these animal types you always speak about?

 

[Luzian]

Perseus what are these animal types you always speak about?

Nonsense. At least until he gives us schematics of his seemingly rubbish system.

 

[Ogion]

He links animals to mbti types. With his own reasons, which he didn't communicat to us yet.

Ogion

 

[Perseus]

Modern Animism World (Latest Revision)
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/07/modern-animism-world-latest-revision_25.html

 

[Luzian]

He links animals to mbti types. With his own reasons, which he didn't communicat to us yet.

Ogion

That's what I've concluded, but I read in at least one instance, him referring to one type with two different animals.

 

[Perseus]

I am beginning to think that I am INTP in the real world, but INFP with relationships. The Feeling/Idealist bit is my vulnerability ot Emotional Devastation, and my lack of resolution.

Although two well-developed individuals of any type can enjoy a healthy relationship, INFP's natural partner is the ENFJ, or the ESFJ. INFP's dominant function of Introverted Feeling is best matched with a partner whose dominant function is Extraverted Feeling. The INFP/ENFJ combination is ideal, because it shares the Sensing way of peceiving, but the INFP/ESFJ combination is also a good match. How did we arrive at this?
http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_rel.html

This means the Beaver ENFJ which blocks the stream of consciousness (I know INTPs have global thinking) and the Pony girls ESFJ which are rubbish because they do not understand body language. Older Horsey girls are usually damaged. The SF is irrational. What else can they expect?

The biggest disgreements come between Judgement and Perception. As Perception at 11/12 is my highest characteristic, this causes the most conflict. NPs need Guards (SJ) against the outside world though, or community protection. Therein lies the problem.

 

[Perseus]

That's what I've concluded, but I read in at least one instance, him referring to one type with two different animals.

The system has not been developed properly yet.

e.g

ESFJ standard is the Horse (or Pony if young) (see Tantric Asian sex videos if in doubt) but variants include the Camel with different levels of Feeling/Thinking from the wild Mustang Sally (thinking is low, sometimes not operating at all in the sex frenzies).

INTP is Eagle, but there are lots of different Eagles, and Albatrosses (P 12/12). At 12/12 the person is probably a religious mystic that has even transcended his personality type. UMMMM!!!

I think at the watering holes/feeding ground, society demands extroversion, which in our case means tranforming to the Snake.
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/06/serpent-transforming-to-eagle.html

 

[Perseus]

Some types should have a health warning attached, notably the horseplay and disease of the ESFJ, but I am having strong doubts about Ferrets and the Weasel tribe (ENFP).

Also just about all Irrationals (SF) and the whores in the Cathouse (ISFP). ESFP (Butterflies) are Rainy Day Women.

 

[Perseus]

I would report that all my relationships have quickly ended in disaster with SJ Guardians and SF Irrationals, not so quickly in one case.

I am not even sure I can be see eye to eye to NJs, NPs seem to be essential.

ENTP, INTP, ENFP, INFP. Snake, Eagle (?), Ferret, Dragon (?).

However, I think I could get on with INFJ, ENFJ. Skylark, Beaver.

Worst case scenario: Young ESFJ, ISFP. Pony, Cat.

Suggested matches: ENTJ, ESTJ Wolf, Bull

 

[Perseus]

Robert the Architect on the Dating Scene:

http://www.keirsey.com/personalityzone/lz74.asp

Gawd knows. I never expected that much. I don't like Artisans much though. They say I am fussy.