Looping

[Hourglass]

Does every MBTI have a loop?

The Ni Fi loop is something that I’ve been aware of for INTJs.

I might be in a ni fi loop. I can’t really tell.

I did a bunch of things today and became exhausted physically but not mentally.

Te doesn’t seem to always be helpful to “stop” the loop.

Do INTPs loop? What is your experience like looping?

 

[Black Rose]

Ni Fi loop

seeing where your future attachments lie.

Do INTPs loop?

Ti-Si

breaking reactions to sounds down into their phonetic components.

 

[Hourglass]

Ni Fi loop

seeing where your future attachments lie.

Do INTPs loop?

Ti-Si

breaking reactions to sounds down into their phonetic components.

I find the Ti-Si loop interesting because I’m not sure if I do this at all and I’m trying to comprehend it.

I hear sounds as magnified (compared to others I know) and I can’t always receive all of it.

The way I would be able to break a sound down into its phonetic components would require me to write it and look at it first, or listen to the same thing over and over.

 

[birdsnestfern]

As an INTP, as long as your focus is on the future rather than the past, (things that might have been, vs things that could be) you are not in a loop. You are healthy if you are constantly exploring possible new outcomes. (I think this sounds like the loop is depressive or too nostalgic). Or, if you are analyzing something way too much, you want to put it aside and focus on something new.

 

[Hourglass]

As an INTP, as long as your focus is on the future rather than the past, (things that might have been, vs things that could be) you are not in a loop. You are healthy if you are constantly exploring possible new outcomes. (I think this sounds like the loop is depressive or too nostalgic). Or, if you are analyzing something way too much, you want to put it aside and focus on something new.

I like that newness is viewed as healthy in this case. Thanks.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Does every MBTI have a loop?

The Ni Fi loop is something that I’ve been aware of for INTJs.

I might be in a ni fi loop. I can’t really tell.

I did a bunch of things today and became exhausted physically but not mentally.

Te doesn’t seem to always be helpful to “stop” the loop.

Do INTPs loop? What is your experience like looping?

You can certainly be depressed and be functioning that it does not warrant a clinical response.
I think what you have is a mild depression if you are in a loop.
It happens when we end up in situations we don't like or have to make decisions that we don't like or we are in circumstances we have to endure and we become repressed mildly.

What it means is you went through something that your mind did not like generally speaking.
You did not figure out how to deal with it, and therefore it became repressed.
Simply put, when significant things are outside of our control, we tend to repress it.
It can happen purely on subconscious level so you end up in a loop.

Realistically the best way is to go back and reflect where you felt uncomfortable most lately and figure out why.

The reasons for repressing this might be you might feel its not something you can change or address at the moment.

But, becoming consciously aware of it, can help you figure out what it is, and maybe address it in future when it comes up.
There might be part of you that knows its something that cannot change and has recurring pattern.

9 times out of 10 its got something to do with people.

INTJs and INTPs tend to intellectualize and withdraw a lot in case of loops.
Lots of thinking and no action.

 

[Hourglass]

in circumstances we have to endure and we become repressed mildly.

I suppose I’m kind of stuck doing too many things and I don’t have much “free time”.

I don’t feel depressed but instead the feeling is more like I’m sailing with a wide heavy boat through a tiny narrow river with rocky things in the way, rather than a clear open sea… I’m doing a lot and the things where I “have” to do them take up a lot of time.

Regarding the “repressed” part, I had decided last week that this week I would speak with a healthcare professional about a childhood memory that is not painless (I was of elementary school age). It wasn’t easy to convince myself to “ask for help” but hopefully this begins a “healing” process or some other helpful process so I can find ways to reduce the amount of times this memory appears, or so I don’t feel as badly if the memory appears.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I know this feeling, and I think I just know the best advice I can give you as this problem will often come up in life. Literally a million times over.
Find little pockets of time where you literally do nothing at all.
Like literally hypnotize the ceiling or wall.
Our minds are actually highly sensitive computers that need down time to function.
Learning to do nothing at all is a life skill hard to learn.
Its integral to our functioning though.
Because no matter how hard you try your brain will have hard time processing when doing nothing, but it won't stop learning or working when you do nothing.
I would call it recalibration period time.
Making your task oriented brain to do nothing is literally hard and sometimes literally painful.
Its an important life skill.
Start with small stuff.
The more down time you can get the more efficient you get.
I know this sounds cray cray, but trust me I saw people break because of lack of this skill.

 

[Hourglass]

I know this feeling, and I think I just know the best advice I can give you as this problem will often come up in life. Literally a million times over.
Find little pockets of time where you literally do nothing at all.
Like literally hypnotize the ceiling or wall.
Our minds are actually highly sensitive computers that need down time to function.
Learning to do nothing at all is a life skill hard to learn.
Its integral to our functioning though.
Because no matter how hard you try your brain will have hard time processing when doing nothing, but it won't stop learning or working when you do nothing.
I would call it recalibration period time.
Making your task oriented brain to do nothing is literally hard and sometimes literally painful.
Its an important life skill.
Start with small stuff.
The more down time you can get the more efficient you get.
I know this sounds cray cray, but trust me I saw people break because of lack of this skill.

Thanks @ZenRaiden

 

[ZenRaiden]

Thanks @ZenRaiden

No problem.

 

[scorpiomover]

Does every MBTI have a loop?

I believe that's the theory. But each type has a different set of functions in the loop, which usually produces different effects.

The Ni Fi loop is something that I’ve been aware of for INTJs.

I might be in a ni fi loop. I can’t really tell.

Easy to tell.

Ni is the visionary function, the function that urges you to make the world into your vision. Fi is the values function, the function that urges you that a world that doesn't fit your values, is wrong. When you're in an Ni-Fi loop, your vision and your values feed each other until your values are your vision, and vice versa. Then anything that disagrees with your vision seems to be wrong, and everything that agrees with your vision seems right.

I did a bunch of things today and became exhausted physically but not mentally.

Te doesn’t seem to always be helpful to “stop” the loop.

Ni is a visionary function, a probability-based function that is set in the future. So probability-wise, it can't get everything right. Te is there to physically test all of the Ni's predictions about the current state of reality and where it's headed, to check and eliminate the high-probability wrong notions, and include the low-probability right notions.

As long as your cardinal principle, is that Ni needs to be refined, as it isn't 100% perfect, then Te can correct your Ni.

Do INTPs loop? What is your experience like looping?

Ti-Si. Depressive rumination.

We also have Ne-Fe, which is when your feelings constantly lead you from momentary interest to momentary interest. It's like being in a candy shop where you just can't stop munching candies.

 

[Hourglass]

to check and eliminate the high-probability wrong notions, and include the low-probability right notions.

I did speak to more than one human being today and I believe I used Te.

It did help me feel better, albeit a bit drained in terms of “social battery”.

I have an ESTJ family member who has a very prominent Te. From what I’ve observed it seems ESTJs have a very different functional stack. The way she uses Te is very pronounced. I think I’m the opposite in demeanor.

I suppose I may be in a ni-fi loop, then, and starting to break free from it.

 

[Hourglass]

We also have Ne-Fe, which is when your feelings constantly lead you from momentary interest to momentary interest. It's like being in a candy shop where you just can't stop munching candies.

I actually feel this way as well.

 

[Hourglass]

Making your task oriented brain to do nothing is literally hard and sometimes literally painful.
Its an important life skill.
Start with small stuff.
The more down time you can get the more efficient you get.

It is difficult. I tried to meditate. Also difficult.

It feels scary to be without goals.

Maybe I’ll just tell myself “what would an ENFP do?”. Maybe that’s the secret.

 

[scorpiomover]

It is difficult. I tried to meditate. Also difficult.

It feels scary to be without goals.

The key to meditation, is to have a goal (like listening to your body's sensations without judging it and letting them come and go), and to simply keep refocussing on it, so the other goals don't get a look in.

 

[scorpiomover]

to check and eliminate the high-probability wrong notions, and include the low-probability right notions.

I did speak to more than one human being today and I believe I used Te.

It did help me feel better, albeit a bit drained in terms of “social battery”.

I have an ESTJ family member who has a very prominent Te. From what I’ve observed it seems ESTJs have a very different functional stack. The way she uses Te is very pronounced. I think I’m the opposite in demeanor.

The way Te-doms (like ESTJs) use their Te, is very different from how Te-aux (like INTJs) use their Te. Te-doms are more into about delegating tasks to others as if they are all in one group that succeeds and fails together, and so are more communal.

Te-aux are much more about developing their own method/strategy to help them personally achieve tasks, and so are much more individualistic.

I suppose I may be in a ni-fi loop, then, and starting to break free from it.

Progress is good.

 

[ZenRaiden]

It is difficult. I tried to meditate. Also difficult.

If you do it for first time its actually scary. First time I did meditation I got vertigo felt like I was falling backwards and lost focus, because I really felt darkness.
My brain was not connected to the body. Or to put it more accurately my brain did not read the sensations of the body.
It took me 6 months to be able to sit down and meditate.

Some experts say as little as 15 seconds of meditation is enough to change your mood, thoughts and mind. But only if you do it on frequent basis, because your brain has to connect neurons in a new way for it to read things correctly.

So mediation is also called practice, because only after you learn to do it it becomes easy and effective. The first few times it actually has no or very little effect. Which made me feel like I am doing it wrong or made me feel like its bullshit. Its very counter intuitive. I actually got upset about it few times.
There are 100s of types of meditation.

One meditation that is easy is to focus on a single point very hard.

By the time now when I meditate it has different effect on me when I first started.
Its actually weird to feel different by not doing anything.

I am not going to give you any other advice as I don't want to tell you things you aren't interested in. But if you want to know more I can give you more hints later.
Its only worth it only once you know it works.

 

[Black Rose]

The ESFJ counselor I know said that emotions were impulses.

So we should not focus on them because we would trigger something.

Currently after sleeping, I feel like I am better at awareness of stability in me.

To meditate I just realize that I exist and that I have energy inside me at any moment.

Whatever it is that I focus on I do it with the whole system.

That way I can realize self-awareness.

But also I can stop myself.

I found that inhibiting my impulses strengthens my control.

But only if I can relax the tensions inside myself.

I was feeling numb but then I realized I needed to move to meditate.

Just to get the flow going but also to become aware of the numb parts.

Whatever you have that is not flowing you should learn to get going.