Long Posts

[Words]

Why do many here write so much? The amount of reading, information, and eye-movement, doesn't it make you not want to read? with writing, wouldn't you prefer short, simple and concise sentences/paragraphs. I just don't see how many are driven to write novels. I, for one, likes loose, editable, easy and simple paragraphs. What is the reason? The introversion that allows great focus?

 

[Darby]

I generally write that way, but on here I feel it more informal, and therefore I can write how I think, which is long winded, and often contradictory. This is because I am finding errors while I go, while taking notes on errors without correcting the ones I made prior to finding. This makes explaining everything tremendously lengthy. I also edit a lot, summing up what was originally said later.

EDIT: also, compared to many on this forum I still don't write all that much

EDIT: I think it may be due to the fact that we don't like missing things, if we failed to address a point, then we feel we have failed at life in some way, and so we must address everything to feel what we say is secure and valid.

 

[Words]

I generally write that way, but on here I feel it more informal, and therefore I can write how I think, which is long winded, and often contradictory. This is because I am finding errors while I go, while taking notes on errors without correcting the ones I made prior to finding. This makes explaining everything tremendously lengthy. I also edit a lot, summing up what was originally said later.

EDIT: also, compared to many on this forum I still don't write all that much

EDIT: I think it may be due to the fact that we don't like missing things, if we failed to address a point, then we feel we have failed at life in some way, and so we must address everything to feel what we say is secure and valid.

perfectionists?

 

[Darby]

In a sense, yes, but not entirely, not everything is perfect, we just like to not look like idiots, and we have a knack for seeing inconsistencies(and a lack of social restraint/politeness), which means a number of us will tear apart anyones post who fails an argument.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I'm more bothered by pages of text that aren't broken up into paragraphs.

Though for long posts it would be nice if users would label different sections and perhaps bold statements they deem of the most importance.

 

[Darby]

I'm more bothered by pages of text that aren't broken up into paragraphs.

Though for long posts it would be nice if users would label different sections and perhaps bold statements they deem of the most importance.

I have terrible grammar, or I would try harder, it's one of those things I fail to think is important for myself, at some point I just decide to cut it and start a new paragraph(sometimes mid-sentence)

the second remark I couldn't agree more for, although I fail at that also, but for clarifying purposes, how long of a post are we talking about? I am thinking about triple this post(at least, and including quote).

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I guess anything that would be longer than a page on a regular word document. Unless the person is responding to a lot of quotes of course.

 

[Adymus]

Quality over quantity is really what it comes down to. I don't mind extensive writing at all if the content if worth reading, and uses it's length to inform rather than drag on.

 

[Darby]

then I think they should either color theirs and place it within(Da Blob did that), it made it easy to read since you could read the response right away, or you could number them at the bottom after the quote

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I actually dislike Blob's method, as it makes his posts difficult to quote.

 

[Darby]

ahh, this is true, I don't quote Blob often so I haven't had that experience yet, and it's only with the longer ones that I've seen it. I was specifically just referring to the easy read part which was the topic of the thread

 

[Words]

you guys like books? i do hate them....the amount of information ugh... i like pictures. Adaire's way seems good and obvious. though i doubt this'll be put into any action..i'll just hope.

 

[Auburn]

My thought process is very similar to Darby's; scatterbrained and unorganized. It take a conscious effort on my part to organize my thoughts, but I do try to make my posts as compact as possible for precisely the reason Adaire mentioned. Mountains of text discourage me from reading, and I know it'd discourage others if I did the same.

I wish I wasn't repelled by walls of text because I know they could contain precious gems in them. The fact that the post isn't neatly and aesthetically arranged shouldn't be a reason to disregard the author's words - or so I'd like to think. The reality is, however, that it does play a roll.

I have fun making my posts ^^
I like to use color and bold usernames, as well as key terms.
I can only hope it makes it easier for some to read but perhaps it's just me being silly..

 

[Words]

My thought process is very similar to Darby's; scatterbrained and unorganized. It take a conscious effort on my part to organize my thoughts, but I do try to make my posts as compact as possible for precisely the reason Adaire mentioned. Mountains of text discourage me from reading, and I know it'd discourage others if I did the same.

I wish I wasn't repelled by walls of text because I know they could contain precious gems in them. The fact that the post isn't neatly and aesthetically arranged shouldn't be a reason to disregard the author's words - or so I'd like to think. The reality is, however, that it does play a roll.

I have fun making my posts ^^
I like to use color and bold usernames, as well as key terms.
I can only hope it makes it easier for some to read but perhaps it's just me being silly..

How do you speak? Plenty? like your post? i speak with few words hoping people'll get it. everything is just in my head and its kinda hard to convey....

 

[Auburn]

Quite similar to my posts, yes, though rarely as substantial. Unless I've meditated on the topic beforehand and can articulate my opinion of it professionally- I will not elaborate.

I treat the sharing of my ideas as a presentation. I do not share my thoughts, via posts or in person, unless I feel they are presentable, polished, and relevant. Any half-baked thoughts I have are never voiced because I know I would cause confusion. First I retreat to my own mental arena, make sense of it all, and attach words to them before voicing them.

I've long since given up expecting for people to understand my thoughts. I find it best to keep my words to a minimum unless I sense genuine interest.

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But as for the topic at hand, I'd love to see more people adapting different posting themes.

 

[Words]

Quite similar to my posts, yes, though rarely as substantial. Unless I've meditated on the topic beforehand and can articulate my opinion of it professionally- I will not elaborate.

I treat the sharing of my ideas as a presentation. I do not share my thoughts, via posts or in person, unless I feel they are presentable, polished, and relevant. Any half-baked thoughts I have are never voiced because I know I would cause confusion. First I retreat to my own mental arena, make sense of it all, and attach words to them before voicing them.

I know this isn't "right" for personal discussion but.... you never share half-baked thoughts? ..we're opposites...i always share them hoping some to relate and help. I wonder if I'm really an intp.

I've long since given up expecting for people to understand my thoughts. I find it best to keep my words to a minimum unless I sense genuine interest.

ditto. (color? wow)

 

[Agent Intellect]

I try to stay as concise as possible, but like someone else said, I also try to make sure that nothing is omitted. When I start a topic, I usually attempt to take it in a logical 'flow' that starts from a point where people will understand where the thought is coming from, and then follow my line of reasoning into the questions I want to posit on the subject - and the structure is usually breaking differing thought "components" into separate paragraphs.

Unfortunately, and this is probably true for a lot of people here, the pursuit of precision and fullness will sometimes make my posts long - and I myself do have a tendency to glaze over some of the longer posts (and, like Adaire said, especially if they are not broken up properly).

 

[shoeless]

Ti = obsessive precision of language (for many) ?

that's what i think anyway.

i only do that sometimes. once i accidentally wrote a 30-page essay for my english class, because she didn't give a length requirement, and i wanted to be really really sure she got what i was saying. it worked, though. A+. and she actually read it.

so, i dunno.

 

[fullerene]

might also just have to do with speed. If you're a slow reader/typer, cauterize, then you won't have the patience to write as much as the other people here. I type quickly, but read slowly, so it's much easier for me to type a lot without realizing it than it is for me to read long posts. I feel sort of bad about it... but it's the way it is.

 

[Words]

Ti = obsessive precision of language (for many) ?

that's what i think anyway.

i only do that sometimes. once i accidentally wrote a 30-page essay for my english class, because she didn't give a length requirement, and i wanted to be really really sure she got what i was saying. it worked, though. A+. and she actually read it.

so, i dunno.

and i thought the iNuition would lessen details. the longest essay i've ever written was 4 pages....all full of unstructured raw ideas molded for the sake of passing a requirement. one of the reasons why I fail in school is the memorizations...

might also just have to do with speed. If you're a slow reader/typer, cauterize, then you won't have the patience to write as much as the other people here. I type quickly, but read slowly, so it's much easier for me to type a lot without realizing it than it is for me to read long posts. I feel sort of bad about it... but it's the way it is.

oh..i type fast and read fairly speedily. its one of the rare things i somehow practiced.

 

[saffyangelis]

Personally, I'm not particularly put off by long posts, unless they're written without any paragraphs.
I read pretty fast, so it's not too bad for me, but I don't tend to write longer posts myself. (I always feel like I'm rambling on stupidly, and making less and less sense, before mostly I end up just giving up and either deleting my post before I send it, or re-writing it until it's shorter)

Quite a lot of the time, the longer posts explain the reasoning behind their contributions though, which is interesting to read =P.

Also:

you guys like books? i do hate them...

*gasp* Blasphemy! =P

 

[Words]

Quite a lot of the time, the longer posts explain the reasoning behind their contributions though, which is interesting to read =P.

yeah..but wouldn't you prefer if we could go slowly correcting ourselves along the way? longer posts makes it feel...*established*...not very attractive IMO. (forgive my showing of self-centeredness)

*gasp* Blasphemy! =P

<not to THAT extreme...

 

[saffyangelis]

yeah..but wouldn't you prefer if we could go slowly correcting ourselves along the way? longer posts makes it feel...*established*...not very attractive IMO. (forgive my showing of self-centeredness)
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<not to THAT extreme...

I don't really get the feeling of thoughts being 'established' so much as as if thoughts are being offered up for consideration. One of the things I've noticed here (as compared to a few other forums I lurk on) is that everyone tends to be a bit more cautious with their ideas. People don't tend to offer them up unless they're at least a good deal sure about them, and even then people often change their minds as they look at the other suggestions.

It's not like the "This is my thoughts and they aren't about to change" feeling that I get from the word established. I agree that the idea of posts like that don't seem particularly nice.


And I'm biased about the books, since I'm a complete bookworm =P

 

[Words]

One of the things I've noticed here (as compared to a few other forums I lurk on) is that everyone tends to be a bit more cautious with their ideas. People don't tend to offer them up unless they're at least a good deal sure about them.

I see. from introverted thinking? what do you call the opposite of sharing half-baked ideas? Te?

 

[fullerene]

I also hate books... and saffy gives me crap about it too. Best to get yourself a good set of earplugs, or maybe a ball-gag.

 

[Starfruit M.E.]

I try to stay as concise as possible, but like someone else said, I also try to make sure that nothing is omitted. When I start a topic, I usually attempt to take it in a logical 'flow' that starts from a point where people will understand where the thought is coming from, and then follow my line of reasoning into the questions I want to posit on the subject - and the structure is usually breaking differing thought "components" into separate paragraphs.

Unfortunately, and this is probably true for a lot of people here, the pursuit of precision and fullness will sometimes make my posts long - and I myself do have a tendency to glaze over some of the longer posts (and, like Adaire said, especially if they are not broken up properly).

I couldn't have explained myself better. I'm trying to add more formatting to make it easier to read though. I don't monologue out loud. I prefer debate style where we go back a forth. But on here it's easy to just sit down and get it all out at once.

Edit:
For factual books, I skim for main points. For fiction, I like to savor the details that make the story meaningful. That is why novel writing appeals to me. Non-fiction creates mental "pictures" through use of words. So the words are necessary. Telling an entire story directly would be annoying and confusing.
Example: Bob looked at the tree. He walked past it. It reminded him of his mother because of how it looked. He went back and gave it a hug.

If makes more sense if I give vivid imagery to help you understand the context of the situation, and if I explain how the tree looked instead of skipping to the points.

 

[Words]

so what's its connection to personality theory?

 

[Darby]

Wow, lots to say.

For half baked thoughts, I rarely do it, except on this forum(and others if I was on any), because our forums branch so quickly if I don't get it out at that moment, I may miss it entirely, and then it wouldn't make sense. My only real hope is that I already have the thought formed when I read about it on here.

For books, I do like them, but I get bored quickly, I am generally very good at seeing where things are going quickly, and for a long time I didn't read. Those two things together means I'm trying to get back into reading, but I see where the story is going after about half way/three quarters, and I get bored, and I try to tell myself it will explode with awesome, but I just have a hard time picking back up where I left off.

I also don't get that "established" feel, that's not why I am on here, to tell everyone else they're wrong, I am here to learn about new ideas that are important (or not), that are worth knowing and may change the way I think about things, thats the point of my being here, to change, not be "established." I just don't want to be torn apart when my idea has a minor flaw, so I try to give it a base

And for Starfruit M.E.'s example of boring writing, that is exactly why I don't write much. For creative stories, all my papers always look like that, there's no fun inside, but I have a hard time creating fun, so it's a dry hunk of dirt instead

 

[Van]

Perfectionism makes you write more? I wish I could do that! I usually find myself wanting to cut things down, so that a bunch of thinking ends up as some totally vague comment. It's not good when you're trying to write an essay.
I would have guessed that Ne = more stuff, Ti = less stuff.

 

[Words]

Isn't Ne...or any N....generalizations with connections? less specific? ...so how is it more stuff?

 

[Van]

How I saw it is that because you have all those connections, Ne will cover a lot of ground. Less detail, but more ideas to work with.

 

[Words]

How I saw it is that because you have all those connections, Ne will cover a lot of ground. Less detail, but more ideas to work with.

isn't detail more data than idea? more tools vs. one flexible tool?

 

[Van]

One idea implies a whole lot of details. Maybe I should have said Ne gives more stuff via brainstorming, and Ti refines it.

 

[Darby]

One idea implies a whole lot of details. Maybe I should have said Ne gives more stuff via brainstorming, and Ti refines it.

I agree with this, although for me the Ti wouldn't "refine" as much as plug all the holes the vagueness of the Ne may leave behind

 

[ohrtonz]

Im constantly feeling the need to clarify and constantly pre-empting any reaction I foresee. I end up covering all angles to make sure I said what I want hoping to make the right impression. Because I see how when I make something short it can be read in many ways.

 

[Da Blob]

I actually dislike Blob's method, as it makes his posts difficult to quote.

Hmmm? you are not the first to mention that. I tried to make it easier by deleting the </QUOTE> after writing within another's comment. Did that not work? I am open to suggestions - I Like to be quoted...

 

[saffyangelis]

I also hate books... and saffy gives me crap about it too. Best to get yourself a good set of earplugs, or maybe a ball-gag.

Okay, ONE time! Once! That's hardly anything Well.. I only remember telling you off once anyways...

Also, having googled ball-gag, I feel I should add O_o here too.

And the better answer is to read more =P
Okay, maybe it's twice now...