Latest Forum Outage [Bandwidth exceeded at the end of May]

[Cognisant]

So what happened, another denial of service attack?

 

[Polaris]

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Bandwidth use exceeded it's limit which is similar to going over the limit of your phone plan. Sometimes it can be caused by heavy bot traffic. Or this site could just be really popular...

 

[BigApplePi]

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Anything any of us can do about it ... as larger servers? And do you know Polaris, what the fix was as wouldn't the traffic have diminished much sooner?

 

[Polaris]

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The owner would have to increase the bandwidth/speed by paying more...I think we're lucky he pays at all since he's hardly here anymore. Sometimes I fear the site will disappear for good...



Thank the mighty Ragnar...

Mind you, a donation system would have been good.

Edit: Oh, and to answer your question, the bandwidth limit is by a monthly basis (I think), which is why it will be inaccessible if the limit is reached before the end of the period.

 

[BigApplePi]

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Polaris. That's what I mean by "Is there anything we can do about it?" We'd have to hear from Ragnar to see what his interests are.

Hey Raggie. What's happening? What's up?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

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Contact the guy, get his account or paypal, post it somewhere on the forum and put a server on unlimited better bandwidth cap.

Or make a paypal or another account dedicated to collecting money for this forum.

Some random probably not acccurate stats:
p1
p2

One of this pages gives us 500k(-) page views/month, which given a size of our pages 1.5mb(+)*500.000 would amount to 750 gb, but given how many other pages are full of images and youtube links, I would give a higher average/page.

Still it would seem we don't even need an unlimited usage, simply a few terabytes.

I realise how incompetent my calculation is, it is used to give an idea.

I found this on one stat page:

Creation Date: 2007-07-07 01:15:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-07-07 01:15:00Z

Does it mean we will be doomed around 7.7.14?

 

[Coolydudey]

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Yeah it would probably be a good idea to take the burden off ragnar, he's been handling it for such a long time and doesn't even use this place any more (as far as I can see). If enough members could agree to a monthly subscription fee (which I don't imagine is even very expensive at all), I think we should just thank him for all he's done and take it upon the community. I for one, would be in, at least for a year (assuming it's less than 5-10 dollars a month per person).

 

[Cognisant]

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Does it mean we will be doomed around 7.7.14?

The end is neigh!

 

[BigApplePi]

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Cooly. I'd be agreeable to throwing money at it, but what about the technicals? I know zero to nothing about that. Does Ragnar do it? Who has to be responsible for that?

 

[Coolydudey]

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The end is neigh!

I was wondering that... I looked it up, the domain name needs to be renewed with the registrar, I wouldn't be surprised if it just happens automatically as part of the subscription ragnar has set up.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

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Yeah it would probably be a good idea to take the burden off ragnar, he's been handling it for such a long time and doesn't even use this place any more (as far as I can see). If enough members could agree to a monthly subscription fee (which I don't imagine is even very expensive at all), I think we should just thank him for all he's done and take it upon the community. I for one, would be in, at least for a year (assuming it's less than 5-10 dollars a month per person).

No no , make him pay if he wants to. Just give him what we can gather to support. No reason to resign from his generosity when he is clearly needed.

I don't know how much he is investing already, but we could have a decent platfrom from 80+ $, from what it seems.

 

[Coolydudey]

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Cooly. I'd be agreeable to throwing money at it, but what about the technicals? I know zero to nothing about that. Does Ragnar do it? Who has to be responsible for that?

gibberish edited out;
There are two issues;
Finding someone to handle the money;
Finding someone to take care of the technical stuff (this second part shouldn't be hard here )

 

[Coolydudey]

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No no , make him pay if he wants to. Just give him what we can gather to support. No reason to resign from his generosity when he is clearly needed.

I don't know how much he is investing already, but we could have a decent platfrom from 80+ $, from what it seems.

I guess it all depends what the cost is.

Edit: looks to be of the order of 100-200 (max) dollars a year... perfectly manageable from within the forum, don't you think?

edit 2: as an example, hosting for 9 dollars a month with unlimited storage and bandwidth (there is still the cost of the domain name though):
http://www.dreamhost.com/web-hostin...rieA.0&utm_referrer=http://www.dreamhost.com/

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

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I guess it all depends what the cost is.

Edit: looks to be of the order of 100-200 (max) dollars a year... perfectly manageable from within the forum, don't you think?

Given 400 active members, and 100$ maintenance, given at least 30% of them don't have an income, given the ones willing to pay (1%-99%~50%) we could have 140 users giving 0.72 $ monthly to have it done.

Also, we cannot change the domain name, if we want the recurring and seasoned users to find us easily, we need to at least save the INTP in the domain name. Changing would make others think that the forum is down or search for it on google with a degree of success, so it would be a loss of at least some users.

Well, there could be a redirect, etc. I'm not as versed in this.

 

[Coolydudey]

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I was just thinking we get in contact with Ragnar and renew the purchase of the same domain ourselves...

also, as far as payment goes, stability is key, and I think 5-10 core members could commit to supporting the place for periods of time (1-2 dollars a month for at least a year say), in a similar vein to what ragnar did. We don't need to have (can't have) 100 people paying for the site, it would be quite a bit of a nightmare.

shouldn't we really be waiting for him to actually say something though?

 

[Jennywocky]

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Bandwidth use exceeded it's limit which is similar to going over the limit of your phone plan. Sometimes it can be caused by heavy bot traffic. Or this site could just be really popular...

...I bet it was all the tldr posts lately...

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

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shouldn't we really be waiting for him to actually say something though?

As far as most of us know, he could be on International Space Station. There is little reason to wait and little reason to decide where we cannot act, or where we even cannot generate the influence from our decisions, other than our need to express and understand.

Discussing it or brainstorming a bit isn't that bad, don't you think? There need't be an outcome to this.

 

[Coolydudey]

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As far as most of us know, he could be on International Space Station. There is little reason to wait and little reason to decide where we cannot act, or where we even cannot generate an influence from our decisions, other than our need to express and understand.

Discussing it or brainstorming a bit isn't that bad, don't you think? There need't be an outcome to this.

well we've already got some ideas down. I assumed one or two of the mods had the ability to contact him which they would have done. If we can't get through to him then clearly the wisest (the only) plan of action is to leave things as they are for now, and have some people ready to contact each other and set another arrangement up in due time if the place does go down.

 

[Architect]

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I'd recommend a few ideas.

For user support in my experience donation ware, even with dedicated fans, doesn't pay well unless there are millions of them. Instead have a "Donation" member status (like Premier on other sites). Donation members get access to extra forum features, some kind of recognition in their post masthead, and possibly even things like access to Donaters only forums. There should be levels of support, the poor kids can surely chip in $5 or $10 a year. Sure it's segregation but the only thing that would work I think. *

Two, I'd recommend as part of this upgrading the software, similar to what INTPComplex has done. That will cost money I think, but we should have some money to afford it. But an upgraded server should support features we can give out on a paying basis.

Three the forum should be moved to somebody who wants to be here for the longer haul.

* I've talked about writing the "AA" eBook - I'd donate that as a "members only" content for example.

 

[Coolydudey]

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I was expecting archie to chime in with some good feedback

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

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console cheat enabled 1:
yesmen
vote passed

The suggestions are good, the separation is something to avoid, premium membership would be better as a "feel good badge" rather than a functional difference, but maybe it would be necessary to raise the funds.

 

[Jennywocky]

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I'd recommend a few ideas.

For user support in my experience donation ware, even with dedicated fans, doesn't pay well unless there are millions of them. Instead have a "Donation" member status (like Premier on other sites). Donation members get access to extra forum features, some kind of recognition in their post masthead, and possibly even things like access to Donaters only forums. There should be levels of support, the poor kids can surely chip in $5 or $10 a year. Sure it's segregation but the only thing that would work I think. *

Two, I'd recommend as part of this upgrading the software, similar to what INTPComplex has done. That will cost money I think, but we should have some money to afford it. But an upgraded server should support features we can give out on a paying basis.

Three the forum should be moved to somebody who wants to be here for the longer haul.

* I've talked about writing the "AA" eBook - I'd donate that as a "members only" content for example.

All generally good ideas, although I'm leery of "donaters only" forums depending on what type of content is permitted there. It's too easy for main content to shift into what amounts to a private forum. (INTPComplex, which you bring up, is leery even of the regular Groups function for that very reason.)

 

[Architect]

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All generally good ideas, although I'm leery of "donaters only" forums depending on what type of content is permitted there. It's too easy for main content to shift into what amounts to a private forum. (INTPComplex, which you bring up, is leery even of the regular Groups function for that very reason.)

Yeah I thought that wouldn't be a popular idea, heck, I don't like it myself. Natural for libertarian minded INTP's ... We should just keep in mind that keeping the forum alive is the important thing, whatever that means.

 

[Coolydudey]

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I think a nice shiny donator's badge is all that is necessary...

 

[Cognisant]

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I fear people will still feel entitled by it.

Remember this is not a democracy,
remember you paya your tithe or I a brekka your legs.

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

Latest Forum Outrage

just hoping this might make up for the disappointment i felt upon realising i had misread the title of that other thread.

well, what was it?

 

[Architect]

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I think a nice shiny donator's badge is all that is necessary...

Badges!? We don't need no steenkin badges!

 

[Cherry Cola]

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I think it is the fact that people identify and sympathize with the scumbag Elliot Rodger like they have something important to prove but are simultaneously unable and unwilling to see that his views on women and sex were totally fucked up and the cause of his despicable actions. Views which can be seen all over the web including here.

 

[Base groove]

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Wow I totally imagined creating this thread because I thought I was the one with the awesome donation idea. God dammmjmmmmj it

Donation recognition is retarded, and so not INTP.... It must be anonymous. Just my opinion.

I can't imagine how an extra $30-$40/month wouldn't help out.... there are like 500 active members here, if everybody paid a dollar (or a dime) a month, mandatory, we'd be covered. If some people randomly offered up five bucks, we'd be covered....

Like Blarraun has indicated, it's not reasonable to wait around for Ragnar. Perhaps there is a way to make this a republic?

 

[Helvete]

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Just have a donate button at the top of the page and a meter showing how much has been raised. People would donate rather than see it crumble before their eyes, plus any money left over can go towards the next month.

I think any segregation is a bad idea.

 

[Base groove]

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I think it is the fact that people identify and sympathize with the scumbag Elliot Rodger like they have something important to prove but are simultaneously unable and unwilling to see that his views on women and sex were totally fucked up and the cause of his despicable actions. Views which can be seen all over the web including here.

Latest forum outrage: Cherry Cola indicates that because certain views are available/prevalent all over the web, they must be more accurate than anything you can come up with, so why are you even bothering with analyzing Elliot's situation any further?

 

[BigApplePi]

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Guys and gals,

I sent a brief msg to Ragnar referencing this thread.

BAP

 

[Base groove]

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I think any segregation is a bad idea.

It's possible he was joking...

An INTP forum that charges $ and offers special privileges to stand-out members who pay...?

sounds more like the ISTJ forum

 

[Jennywocky]

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[in response to Cherry]

...multiplied by the irony that anyone here who empathizes with him would have still been mowed down by him as likely as others, as at the end he didn't really care who he hurt, driving pell-mell down the highway of bitterness and rage.

We all have our reasons and we all still make our choices. I've studied a lot of murder cases, and there might be things in there I can identify with, but for those without a bona fide mental infirmity, at some point we make decisions to take one path over another, long before any outward crimes occur.

 

[Cognisant]

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Perhaps there is a way to make this a republic?

Noooooooooooo!!!

A dictatorship or monarchy, nothing democratic.

 

[Jennywocky]

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Noooooooooooo!!!

A dictatorship or monarchy, nothing democratic.

Nonsense. Rome must be a republic again!


... does this displease you?

 

[Cherry Cola]

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[in response to Cherry]

...multiplied by the irony that anyone here who empathizes with him would have still been mowed down by him as likely as others, as at the end he didn't really care who he hurt, driving pell-mell down the highway of bitterness and rage.

We all have our reasons and we all still make our choices. I've studied a lot of murder cases, and there might be things in there I can identify with, but for those without a bona fide mental infirmity, at some point we make decisions to take one path over another, long before any outward crimes occur.

Indeed, if only he had the power he would've created "mountains of skulls and rivers of blood".

He could've totally played the role of Geoffrey in GOT though, it's a shame he didn't audition for it.

 

[Cavallier]

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The sky is falling!!!

 

[Jennywocky]

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Indeed, if only he had the power he would've created "mountains of skulls and rivers of blood".

He could've totally played the role of Geoffrey in GOT though, it's a shame he didn't audition for it.

No, he didn't really show the remarkable capacity for glee that Joffrey did, even if his metaphorical speech was similar.

EDIT: Wait, who merged two different threads? jeesum creesum.

 

[BigApplePi]

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A dictatorship or monarchy, nothing democratic.

Citizens of the world. Beware of aliens ... and the banned.

 

[Cognisant]

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Nonsense. Rome must be a republic again!

... does this displease you?

Rome fell BECAUSE it was a republic!

Rome, the Congo, Star Wars, republics never work!

 

[Jennywocky]

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Rome fell BECAUSE it was a republic!

Rome, the Congo, Star Wars, republics never work!

No, but at least it's a hell of a ride.
Don't you want to live in interesting times?

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

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EDIT: Wait, who merged two different threads? jeesum creesum.

what's your problem? - it makes perfect sense.

jeesum does indeed work in mysterious ways.

 

[Cognisant]

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Interesting, you think war is interesting?
When you're knee deep in subjectivist bullshit fighting back the seemingly unending horde of sophists, carefully picking your shots to conserve your steadily depleting reserves of patience as you await reinforcements that probably won't arrive in time lets see if you still think it's interesting.

 

[Jennywocky]

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Sooooo.... was it interesting? ^^

what's your problem? - it makes perfect sense.

jeesum does indeed work in mysterious ways.

I'd say, "perfect, my ass," except my ass is perfect.
Hmm.... that leaves me at a disadvantage.

 

[Coolydudey]

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Guys and gals,

I sent a brief msg to Ragnar referencing this thread.

BAP

ty BAP. btw, how did you contact him? did you always have his details or are they available somewhere?

 

[Fukyo]

I've changed the thread title to better reflect the situation and make distinguishing between these types of threads easier.

As I've said before, making vague threads like this isn't helpful and should probably be left to the staff, although nobody seems to listen, and then afterwards we have to merge threads and clean stuff up. So, if you insist on making these kinds of threads the least you can do is create a more pertinent and descriptive title.

With that little rant out of the way - Ragnar has been contacted via email since the outrag...err outage started, but he is notoriously bad at checking email, by his admission.

When we get a hold of him, we'll see and discuss about the financial matters, although in the past his attitude was that he did not want to take donations.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

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I'd recommend a few ideas.

Two, I'd recommend as part of this upgrading the software, similar to what INTPComplex has done. That will cost money I think, but we should have some money to afford it. But an upgraded server should support features we can give out on a paying basis.

Ragnar mentioned something about upgrading the software before (that it was too complicated to keep the features?) I would look into that. But I wouldn't like to lose the skin as that would kill the whole aesthetic, a generic forum layout would really suck.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

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Ragnar mentioned something about upgrading the software before (that it was too complicated to keep the features?) I would look into that. But I wouldn't like to lose the skin as that would kill the whole aesthetic, a generic forum layout would really suck.

Keeping the gray/dark skin is one of the easiest things to be done. Pretty much any free generic forum has a variety of skins at your disposal and it definitely can be set up or reset to the right one. We even should get more skins from the list or get to make "custom" coloured skins as seen on other forums.

That is if we ever get to change things, for now it seems that Ragnar's consent is paramount.

 

[Cognisant]

As I've said before, making vague threads like this isn't helpful and should probably be left to the staff, although nobody seems to listen, and then afterwards we have to merge threads and clean stuff up. So, if you insist on making these kinds of threads the least you can do is create a more pertinent and descriptive title.

Oh c'mon I didn't know the bandwidth had been exceeded and everybody who cares already knows when it happened, this was the first and only helpful thread, all the others were imitations on the theme of misunderstanding the title.

If you don't like it then beat me to it, I don't make duplicate threads.