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Black Rose

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What makes humans moral or not is reasoning in some way.

ok, so now we're back to "humans are not animals" ?

p1: animals can't be evil
p2: humans are not evil because humans are animals
p3: humans have a rational function
p4: animals do not have a rational function (except for dolphins and apes and crows)
p5: a rational function makes moral intuition valid
p6: moral frameworks are perfectly rational

c1: humans can be evil because they are rational and make moral decisions

please let me know specifically which parts of this you rationally agree with

please let me know specifically which parts of this you rationally disagree with

ok

p1: animals can't be evil

if evil does not exist then no

p2: humans are not evil because humans are animals

no, because evil is not a valid concept when thinking in terms of what a person is.

a person has a form and a form in an environment causes other forms to interact under those conditions.

p3: humans have a rational function

true, but humans have values, values are what we use to equate one thing with another and prioritize those objects. a human is valued so far as what they do and what they do is based on the form they have taken in reality and what this form does to other humans in reality

p4: animals do not have a rational function (except for dolphins and apes and crows)

this would imply humans do not have metabolisms which is incorrect

humans eat things

p5: a rational function makes moral intuition valid

emotions are rational but sometimes they hinder us from understanding consequences we would otherwise get from other functions. both need to work together to correctly evaluate subjects and objects.

p6: moral frameworks are perfectly rational

no, not when we consider emotions as irrational
emotions can make us unable to function in extreme conditions.
emotions help us function but in non-extreme conditions.
emotions are the first part of the human evaluation system.

c1: humans can be evil because they are rational and make moral decisions

humans can think what they do is good or evil yet sometimes they are delusional.

the human mind is not all-knowing, it must operate within limits.

what makes people moral or not is the ability to reflect on the consequences of other beings in reality, what is good in the view that the benefits outweigh the costs when making value judgments. what is the worth of any human being and what should be done to secure their wellbeing in comparison to myself and others.

no object/subject would be seen as totally evil unless its value was absolutely negative. thus evil is relative not absolute making evil a non-valid concept, no being or object is absolute in any negative sense. all subjects are seen as worth something so evil would just be an abstraction from what is relative and that means all things that create negative benefits overall.
 

Black Rose

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Jobs seem to be the key to declining poverty.

but how do we give everyone a job?

what kind of economy would we need to create?
 

LOGICZOMBIE

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what kind of economy would we need to create?

i'm actually in favor of creating "voluntary prisons"

i mean

if you commit a crime, the state is more than happy to spend $20,000+ per year to house and feed you - why not make it voluntary ?
 

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It says all wars are because of certain central banks?
 

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It says all wars are because of certain central banks?
Well the rich want wars, yes, but the wars exist, because we people kind of are complicit. We tend to fight wars, out of primal habits.
Ergo you tell a 18 year old you MUST fight for your country.
Then we shame them and put them in the brig if they don't.
So people fight.
But there are ideological reasons as well.

But I was thinking of how in the past fighting actually made a difference.
For instance a Spartan would go to war, and he would yield actual benefits from war. Owning spoils of war, slaves, territory, or simply capture something valuable.
Today we kind of fight wars for the hive and we give life for the hive.
But we kind of get nothing in return other than pay, and PTSD, or bad health.
So we could argue people in the past at least had more motivation to fight.
Today we fight for fiction not tangible reasons.
Fiction that sometimes or often does not even directly translates to better outcomes for us personally.
Many wars have no direct positive correlation with the fighters putting down their lives.
They fight and die, and in case they live, they get a piece of metal on the chest, that reminds them they fought. That is about it.
Its actually cray cray we humans are this obtuse.
 

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poor people are need to supply necessary slave labor, but only at minimum wage which the capitalist class sees it

they are gears in the system that are replacable.

they need the gears, but gears are replacable with cheap alternatives.
 
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