Jaded

[Agent Intellect]

has anyone else gotten musically jaded? obiuosly, i'm talking the more mainstream-ish shit. its just a conversation i frequently have with a friend of mine. i mainly listen to hip-hop, but i listen to rock too, and both genres seem to have very little come out thats even worth pirating for free over the internet. is it something that just happens to everybody when they get older, they just pine for the music they grew up with and hate the new shit? 1998-1999 is when (in myopinion) it started going downhill, and has juts gotten worse form there. christ, i'm just drunkdenly rambling now lol.

 

[fullerene]

lol, of course I have... my friends and me have been complaining about crappy mainstream music for the past 4 1/2 years. It's horrendous, at least in the US. Rap died with crunk (fuck little john), and rock with alternative.

Indie stuff is the way to go. There's good music out there, but it depends on what you're looking for--and it's most definitely not found on the radio... at least not near the cities in the northeast.

 

[Wisp]

I like Jonathon Coulton.

 

[Ermine]

While I identify with the aforesaid sentiments, not all the mainstream stuff is bad. I recently immersed myself in Muse, and it's fairly mainstream.

 

[Dissident]

What do you want Muse for when there is Radiohead?

 

[fullerene]

Three cheers for Dissident!

no, I mean... they're not nearly as close to each other as everyone makes them out to be, in my opinion. Muse is definitely on the higher quality end of mainstream music too though.

 

[Dissident]

I have nothing against them, but Radiohead is in another level.

On topic: Yes, it sucks. I used to watch some MTV, there were decent songs some years ago, now theres almost nothing potable.

On the radio they only put either hits or classics, so they are all songs that you are sick of listening to.

 

[Jordan~]

I've never liked mainstream music, and the music I do listen to enchants me. So no, I go for the creme de la creme and I don't get fed up of it.

 

[Kuu]

On the radio they only put either hits or classics, so they are all songs that you are sick of listening to.

If I had to listen to the radio, that would be the most horrible of deaths.

Indie stuff is the way to go. There's good music out there, but it depends on what you're looking for--and it's most definitely not found on the radio... at least not near the cities in the northeast.

And Indie won't die like rock and rap and everything else?
Is there a way to avoid the recuperation process? Globalized Capitalism is too good at consumerizing everything good into a pulp... Few decent things manage to last...

 

[Jordan~]

Latch on to something uncorruptible and don't let go.

 

[Decaf]

Latch on to something incorruptible and don't let go.

I think the greatest tragedy of the world for the INTP is that nothing is incorruptible.

 

[fullerene]

And Indie won't die like rock and rap and everything else?
Is there a way to avoid the recuperation process? Globalized Capitalism is too good at consumerizing everything good into a pulp... Few decent things manage to last...

Well, in once sense you're right... but in another I'm not sure. Indie is a sort of catch-all term for "unsigned artists," ie everything that's not popular. As soon as it becomes popular (and therefore overused, which causes the death of music a lot), it's no longer indie... so the genre shifts. At least... that's the definition of it that I've always used... it's the one I had in mind when I said indie stuff was the way to go.

 

[Agent Intellect]

indie (or underground, if you please) is pretty much all i listen to these days (at least as far as hip hop) most of the rock i listen to is 90's or earlier more "mainstream" stuff.

obviously, the main problem with mainstream music is that its mainstream. a lot of the people i work with listen to all that bullshit, and it makes me feel almost physically ill when they turn the radio on while we work.

 

[Kuu]

I don't consider indie a "genre" because being indie is "the unstable state of not being mainstream... yet". It's destined to fail, shift, change, die... constantly.

the greatest tragedy of the world for the INTP is that nothing is incorruptible.

Indeed.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

I don't really hate on music anymore. I just don't like music that takes itself too seriously, and music that forsakes the musical aspect. Granted, there has to be an idea behind the music, it just has to stay there, behind (or at least leveled with) the music.

You just have to remember that music is for entertainment. And popular music is going to entertain the populace, which means that most of it wont be built to suite the INTP.

Though I have to say my friend has caused me an unwarranted distaste for power metal, as it is all he plays, and he can play the same cd on end for days.

 

[Jordan~]

Music for entertainment is something I don't really believe in, or at least, something that doesn't interest me. I get much more pleasure from music intended to convey an artistic message deeper than "smack my bitch up". I definitely disagree with you, Radioactive Sprigntime - to me, the message of the music is as important if not more important than the music itself. Indeed, the musical aspect of a song is a tool to be used in delivering that idea. I can't stand poetasty in lyrics, nor pretention to skill from someone who's just a mouthpiece for a board of directors at Sony. Any trained chimp can sing or play an instrument, but artistic genius - the type required to write beautiful music and lyrics - is one in a million. Meaningless music frustrates me as well, I just can't stand shallow things and the concept of art for the sake of money nauseates me.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Music for entertainment is something I don't really believe in, or at least, something that doesn't interest me. I get much more pleasure from music intended to convey an artistic message deeper than "smack my bitch up". I definitely disagree with you, Radioactive Sprigntime - to me, the message of the music is as important if not more important than the music itself. Indeed, the musical aspect of a song is a tool to be used in delivering that idea. I can't stand poetasty in lyrics, nor pretention to skill from someone who's just a mouthpiece for a board of directors at Sony. Any trained chimp can sing or play an instrument, but artistic genius - the type required to write beautiful music and lyrics - is one in a million. Meaningless music frustrates me as well, I just can't stand shallow things and the concept of art for the sake of money nauseates me.

co-sign

 

[Dissident]

Music is to entertain you as much as a painting is to decorate a livingroom, it can do that, but it can be so much more. Music is art, people forget THAT, asuming they ever understood what that is.

 

[Agent Intellect]

are people more interested in the lyrics of a song, or the actual music (instrumentation) of a song? its something i've discussed with a friend of mine before. when i first hear a song, i hear the music first, where when he hears a song, he hears the lyrics first (talking mainly about hip hop, but it can apply with any other music that contains lyrics and instrumentation lol).

although i enjoy lyrics and love hearing good lyrics, when i listen to a song i get more into the actual instrumentation of it, where a certain song can make me feel more pumped up and even motivate me to do something (i can listen to a CD and it just makes me really want to read or write or occasionally go out and do something).

music also gets attached to things i do while listening to it. for instance, last christmas i got a few CD's and a few books, so obviously i listened to those CD's as i read the books and now everytime i listen to certain songs on those albums the imagery from those books comes back to me immediately (pavlovian conditioning perhaps?)

 

[Dissident]

Certainly the instrumentation, I feel like lyrics without music is poetry but music without lyrics is still music. The two toghether are very powerful tho.

 

[Jordan~]

I'm more interested in the lyrics, because I know how to interpret and appreciate them properly but the music has only aesthetic value to me. Still, the music is very beautiful sometimes.

 

[Wisp]

I listened to an album, while playing Zelda 2 : Adventures of Link, last year, and that game is the most AGGRAVATING SON OF A ... ahem... the point is that now the two have a mental link for better or worse... prob'ly worse.

 

[zxc]

The actual music is of far greater importance to me than the lyrics, if there are any. However, that isn't to say that I don't pay attention to lyrics: it's just usually a lower priority for me.

 

[Waterstiller]

For anyone who's jaded..

www.pandora.com

I could listen to my "Explosions in the Sky" radio all day long.

 

[Jordan~]

I used to have Pandora and it failed to find any music I liked, then said I couldn't use it because I wasn't American enough.

 

[kellimaier]

I'm an Opera fan and then after that if it has a fair amount of complexity and/or lots of boom boom I like it. I also love Latin music of all sorts....but I like to dance.

 

[aahzombies]

I enjoy most types of music, but there is a time and place for everything in my opinion. However, I do have a certain distaste for a good part of mainstream music.

As for lyrics/instruments, when I get a CD that I am excited about, I spend hours analyzing it. First, I play it and just listen to it naturally, letting everything soak in. The second time through, I focus on the lyrics and any sort of meaning behind them. Third time, if it's a rock album, the guitar(s). Fourth, bass and fifth, rhythm. There will probably be certain songs that I play over again to listen to an interesting line or musical phrase or use of an atypical instrument.