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Now that I think about it I might want to get a shot at people on this forum typing me. I believe I have a webcam on my laptop which I have forgotten about. I don't know how to use it and wouldn't know what to say; I would need some sort of guideline nor blueprint for this.

Help me out would ya?
 

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What are you most interested in? Talk about your current life life style. Have any pets? What happed after you left school, did you move out? got a job?

Auburn is the best type reader here.
 

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Go to YouTube and study some of theirs. Just for structure, then make one your own using your natural mannerisms.
 

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Thanks. I need to know how to work the webcam and put it on youtube.
 

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There is an upload button once you register. Web cam uses a windows movie maker software on my computer.
 

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You can record from youtube if you don't have recording software. I did that with a few of my videos. The only down side is having to do it one take. So you could practice a bit before you record. I usually have to do a few takes before I feel comfortable. I look forward to the video.
 

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I have my video recorded and I have made a youtube user. I can't get it uploaded. When i try to create a channel it asks me to continue. I try to do that and then nothing happens. Help me out please.
 

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I have my video recorded and I have made a youtube user. I can't get it uploaded. When i try to create a channel it asks me to continue. I try to do that and then nothing happens. Help me out please.

Just go to the upload button. If it's longer than like 5 mins you need to verify your account. It should prompt you if needed.


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I should make this clear. I like to think about physical activity. I don't necessarily like to know how things are made but the origin of where they come from, but much more so where ideas come from. Do you follow?
 

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Yes I follow but I barely found out which type I am thanks to auburns nonverbal communication detection skills. I need practice in that area but I can say Si is good for collecting facts. Or facts on ideas? Do you know the functions? I have been studying it 4 years but I'm still a noob. You seek relaxation from studying and INTPf?
 

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I know the functions for a few types but not all. I know ISTP is Ti, Se, Ni, Fe and INTP is Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. I haven't gone all out on understanding type to exert level yet. I know I am either INTP or ISTP. IDK, It seems like it the video I posted I had a lot of Ne going on and Fe as well.
 

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If Thor came by and hit Keanu Reeves on the forehead, you would be the result.
Gary Oldman in The fifth Element comes to mind. Or Leo Di Caprio. Tilda Swinton.

Im perceiving you as Ni dominant.

It's hard for me to see your feeling, but i think it might be Fe - because i have been influenced, to think of mentioned names as Fe. However i have some difficulty with that. How do you feel about Christian Bale, in comparsion to the above names? Or Eric Bana. They ought to be NiTe.

Btw, i associate the concept of a submissive nature with Fe, since Fi has quite the problem with authority.
 

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to be perfectly honest, a part of my intuition perceives you as estp.

"quick twist" you are a dynamic type, lead in perception. i see you running around like a dog (literally), chasing girls, being like the opposite of introverted, but still doing it all in a very subjective way. doing too much drugs. have you heard of thomas, you know the pod lair guy, he has managed to give himself amnesia somehow, that's the kind of thing that dynamic types pull off, nobody knows how, you remind me of a boy I knew in childhood, who liked to hit his head into doors for fun, like a few times every day. until everyone knew about it. it's like a disrespect for reality, that can apparently lead to estp type behavior, if combined with a weak borderline or psychotic or bipolar ego. which seems almost normal in dynamic types. things like that don't seem to happen to 'rational' types, rational meaning 'judgement lead'.
 

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If Thor came by and hit Keanu Reeves on the forehead, you would be the result.

I don't know if I should be terribly offended by that.

Gary Oldman in The fifth Element comes to mind. Or Leo Di Caprio. Tilda Swinton. Im perceiving you as Ni dominant.

I use to test as INTJ. I don't know the movie The Fifth Element and couldn't care less about celebrities or their names. I did try to google them though.

It's hard for me to see your feeling, but i think it might be Fe - because i have been influenced, to think of mentioned names as Fe. However i have some difficulty with that. How do you feel about Christian Bale, in comparsion to the above names? Or Eric Bana. They ought to be NiTe.

I can see the similarities there, but it could just be that they are the kind of men that a lot of men would like to be like. Hard to imagine I am anything like Leo though.

Btw, i associate the concept of a submissive nature with Fe, since Fi has quite the problem with authority.

I can be submissive when the situation calls for it. I am usually the dominant type though. If I am trying to learn something from someone I give them full respect. I generally don't do what I am told to do when it comes to people just barking orders for orders sake though.
 

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to be perfectly honest, a part of my intuition perceives you as estp.

"quick twist" you are a dynamic type, lead in perception. i see you running around like a dog (literally), chasing girls, being like the opposite of introverted, but still doing it all in a very subjective way. doing too much drugs. have you heard of thomas, you know the pod lair guy, he has managed to give himself amnesia somehow, that's the kind of thing that dynamic types pull off, nobody knows how, you remind me of a boy I knew in childhood, who liked to hit his head into doors for fun, like a few times every day. until everyone knew about it. it's like a disrespect for reality, that can apparently lead to estp type behavior, if combined with a weak borderline or psychotic or bipolar ego. which seems almost normal in dynamic types. things like that don't seem to happen to 'rational' types, rational meaning 'judgement lead'.

Of the things that pertain to my type I am most sure that I am an introvert. What you may be seeing is that I am comfortable in my own skin. No I am definitely not an extrovert doing irrational things like banging my head against the door. I don't know where you got that from.

Dude, I don't know if you have a problem with me or something at this point. So far you've got me running around like dog, banging my head against doors and giving myself amnesia. You said I was the dynamic type. I don't even know WTF that means. It looks like that is your way of sugar coating it or something? IDK man, what you said comes off as pretty offensive.
 

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Haha, I think my Te is coming on too strong. This is just me communicating ideas and associations and telling it like i see it, i'm totally neutral on the feeling values :)))

I'm really approaching you with sympathies.

dynamic means : dominant perception (Ni) + perceptive shadow (Se). it means they are more directly and more consistently tuned into the environment or their body (even though they may be subjective about it). sometimes their brain (judgement) gets blown out. in contrast static types (who have dominant judgement + judgemental shadow). they can be boring you know. they can forget to open up.


I hope that kid who banged his head into the doors has stopped doing that after a week or so. I like to give several concrete examples to allow for the extraction of the abstract principles. It's more powerful than using a word like "high spirited" which could mean anything. I describe someone, who has an idea and acts on it. Subjects himself to it. Much like what you might have had in mind, when talking about how you go from topic to topic of interest, but with full focus at a time.
 

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by the way, did you know, estp is shadow of NiFe, which is why it's not far fetched to bring the comparison up. SeTi-NiFe vs NiFe-SeTi. both dynamic.

btw, that is also why i brought thor into this. thor is estp, in my mind.

btw, i'm not saying you are estp, i'm saying a part of my mind has this association. different meaning.

however, i was confusing you with another user. that thing about submissive nature. was something Lot said about himself and in a very special context, spiritually. sorry.
 

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Naw man, its cool. You're just doing it how it comes natural to you. I get that. Its just... well... you came across like a real asshole is all. Now I see you were just being you. I try my best to be subtle, but maybe thats just not how I'm built. I'm guessing you didn't think my video was funny. That's good. I mean, you could have been laughing, but that doesn't seem like your style. Care to give me a four letter type? I couldn't see any consistencies with what you gave me being Ni dominant with an Se shadow.
 

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that's why i have no friends :smoker:

I hate 4 letter codes, i hate the j/p dichotomy. I care about functions. But in mbti NiFe means INFJ, NiTe means INTJ, both have Se shadow, because that is just what comes with Ni. mbti calls the shadow "inferior function". inferior doesn't mean weak as in almost unimportant, it means strong and primitive as it caveman. inferior in differentiation. you know, like randomly hitting your head against a door, instead of being athletic. dynamic/static are terms from socionics. irrational/rational are synonyms from carl jung. in socionics NiTe is called ILI/INTp and NiFe is called IEI/INTp (no typo, J/p is reversed between mbti and socionics).

i listend to what you said in the video with one ear, but i was mostly just scanning your face and my mind for associations.
 

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OH!!! You meant inferior function instead of shadow but said shadow instead. K. It sucks that you associate me with a cave man. Man IDK how much lower I can get. Yeah, IDK man... this just makes me feel bad. I was hoping for less negative feedback, but I guess you get what you get. No sense in complaining. I will think about what you said.


Anyone else have an opinion?
 

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i'm merely explaining the meaning of the word inferior, by using a metaphor. and carl jung calls it shadow, btw. you hardly demonstrate Se in the video, not anything cave man like, i'm just picturing how it might be a part of you, to see if that imagination feels credible to myself and to you. i'm involving you in the decision. imagination, you know. i swear, i didn't say a negative thing.
 

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People's relation of their perceptions of you to you is a bitch. It is also very easy to make extreme interpretations of such critical perceptions, when you are of a sensitive disposition. I like subtlety too in my life, but sometimes I just need the unvarnished impression.
 

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Would you care to give a type @TBerg? Although I can understand if you would rather not at this point.

Yup, I'm sensitive by nature and I've been through hell.

@nanook, No, I can't really identify myself as a caveman although I am pretty tough minded meaning, I have put a hell of a lot of effort into not letting things bother me. Things may affect me on the inside but I tend to tone it down quite a bit on the exterior. I don't usually give enough visual cues to tell what is actually going through my mind. It is a defence mechanism, and a good one. "Show no weakness" I do my best. You mentioned drugs. I've been on drugs. I was put on Ritalin in 7th grade. Then on Adderall. My sophomore year of HS I said fuck this shit and took myself off drugs. I have been offered cocaine several times and have always turned it down. I'm not an idiot, I know what that shit would do to me.

So if I come across as over sensitive there is a good reason for that. I'm not emotional right now so you don't have to worry.

Still looking for feedback although I proly scared half the forum off of saying anything. LOL

BTW, I'll give a +1 to anyone who can tell when I'm being sarcastic in the video. There's lots to choose from. Have at it.
 

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I think Ni/Se are your perception functions. Just from that video, it's difficult to say what your judging functions are.

You didn't seem too interested in what you were talking about. For instance, at 2:17, when you started reciting the recording time in seconds! It was apparent that you were either bored or very self-conscious. Maybe you should try talking about something that truly interest you or gets you amped.

Want my best guess?
 

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You didn't appear very comfortable in the video. It's better to distinguish a type based on someone's default, comfortable behaviors.

Here is another neat way that can help determine your dominants. I got it out of a book called "Influencing People Using Myers Briggs".

Imagine reading an article. It can be any kind of article. Would you prefer to read a paragraph that focuses on:

Facts? Or Possibilities?
Details? Or an overview?
On the present? Or the future?
Practicality? Or innovation?
Enjoyment? Or anticipation?
Realism? or idealism?
On using something? Or changing something?

If you more prefer the left side, it may indicate that your dominantly a sensor. The right side represents intuitive.

The next thing, is to think about qualities you admire in a person. What kind of characteristics would you find make a great role model for yourself? Someone who is:

Analyzing? Or sympathizing?
Objective? Or subjective?
Logical? Or personal?
Critical? Or appreciative?
An onlooker? Or a participant?
Decides on principal? Or decides using ethical values?
Has a long term view? Or an immediate view?

If you admire the characteristics on the left, you may be a thinker. On the right, a feeler type person.

All that would be left, is determining the direction of those functions.
 

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You didn't appear very comfortable in the video. It's better to distinguish a type based on someone's default, comfortable behaviors.

Here is another neat way that can help determine your dominants. I got it out of a book called "Influencing People Using Myers Briggs".

Imagine reading an article. It can be any kind of article. Would you prefer to read a paragraph that focuses on:

Facts? Or Possibilities?
Details? Or an overview?
On the present? Or the future?
Practicality? Or innovation?
Enjoyment? Or anticipation?
Realism? or idealism?
On using something? Or changing something?

If you more prefer the left side, it may indicate that your dominantly a sensor. The right side represents intuitive.

The next thing, is to think about qualities you admire in a person. What kind of characteristics would you find make a great role model for yourself? Someone who is:

Analyzing? Or sympathizing?
Objective? Or subjective?
Logical? Or personal?
Critical? Or appreciative?
An onlooker? Or a participant?
Decides on principal? Or decides using ethical values?
Has a long term view? Or an immediate view?

If you admire the characteristics on the left, you may be a thinker. On the right, a feeler type person.

All that would be left, is determining the direction of those functions.

All in all the the most probable reason you think I am uncomfortable in that video is because of the sound of my voice, right? IDK I felt pretty comfortable. Most people do look uncomfortable in front of a camera though so you might be on to something.

@Ninja, go for it.
 

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0.0 - woah nanook, you're all over the place...
I agree with QuickTwist that was all more than a little harsh, Te or not. c__c


@QuickTwist - There's definitely a lot to take in, with the functions and all - and moreso with visual signals. But maybe I can help a bit. Both psychologically and visually you certainly have Ni/Se.

Psychologically

From a psychological angle, your mind's attention is turned toward (and tuned into) visceral reality as it's transpiring sensationally around you -- as well as the causal implications that this sense births. Your choice of topics also reflected this tendency, though this doesn't always have to be the case with all people. Your mind tries to think of things to say and lingers naturally into the somatic.

An example of this is at about 3:30+ when you run out of things to say, your eyes begin to sharply scan the environment (while your mind is probably searching internally) and then come back around at 3:45 with "I've been trying to get more physically fit lately".

Somatic Attention

Also, little things like being heavily affected by physical discomforts and noticing the tedious passing of time, are side-effects of very present Se. As well as some level of impatience when things aren't moving forward into new stimuli. Your body seemed like it was waiting (in a way that is more specific than just general camera-uneasiness)

Ne users on camera usually display much less uneasiness even when they run out of topics because their psyche scatters and branches so easily that they produce tangents naturally. There's also an initial metaphorical mental 'hop' with a little excitement when an Ne user lands on a new topic. With Ni/Se users, this hop is absent and instead they just glide right into the new topic.. as it seems to follow quite inevitably from where they were at just prior.

Trial and Error

"I hate trial and error stuff. I don't like to do it (i can do it, but I don't like it)" - this is also telling, if we consider the way you said it and how it was meant. Of course, I wouldn't suggest that all Ni/Se types hate trial and error -- and all types can dislike it -- but Ne/Si users (who build their worldview more from peeking their nose into every possibility, only to have most of them be dead ends, yet trying again and again) live their life as one long trial-and-error process. Thus Ne/Si users usually enjoy the trial and error process and have an optimistic energy to invest energies on another try.

To build a quick caricature of this difference..

It could be said Ne/Si is like... "..but what about this?? lets try it! ..oh wait, that didn't work. Ok, how about this!! ...no? ...then this? ...ahh, yes, yes. Now if I just do this too, what will I get".

Whereas Ni/Se may be more like "....no, that won't work. No, that won't work either. Ok, maybe that one will. *tries it*. Crap it failed. screw this, we're getting nowhere."

Visually

Your eyes are continually sharp and focused. They stay steady for long stretches of time, with the edge of the eyebrows slightly elevated and the upper eyelid slightly resting down on the eye. Something sometimes referred to as "cat-like" eyes by some.

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(It takes a while to explain the nuance of this, so I won't go into it in this post.)

Te/Fi

As for your judgment functions, I believe you very likely have Te/Fi (although more footage would help confirm this), and I do believe you are an NiTe with moderate-to-high development of Se and some development of Fi.

Your body movements are very snappy; jittery in a quick way. With a lot of abrupt shoulder shrugs, sassy swaying (a clear example at 4:49-4:51 but they're everywhere) which are all indications of Te/Fi being very quick and snappy in its judgments and the body consequently following that rhythm. The sassyness comes more from the independence of Fi being channeled through Te articulation.

Your articulation lacks an emotional energy; it is entirely monotone and spartan. The combination of dispassionate articulation of this sort with jittery body movements/swaying is classic Te.

I'm not 100% certain about the function arrangement, though Ni(Te/Fi)Se is what I am seeing from this video. That's my $0.02. :)

ps. - NiTe's, as actual real people, are different from the INTJ profiles, so I'd be careful about directly correlating the two. What an NiTe is, in a lot of ways, has to be experienced -- as with all other types. o.o As inconvenient as that is for readers.
 

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You seem pretty grounded, like no pretensions or anything, just you being you. I'm guessing you are a pretty chill person.

My initial impressions(before the video, a long time ago) were ENTP/ISTP. Though I have no idea now.
 

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All in all the the most probable reason you think I am uncomfortable in that video is because of the sound of my voice, right? IDK I felt pretty comfortable. Most people do look uncomfortable in front of a camera though so you might be on to something.

@Ninja, go for it.

The sound of your voice was fine.

The cues I got was the fidgeting, stopping mid-sentence and stumbling on finding words, gulping, big sighs, and (perhaps) a little bit of blushing. All are signs of being under pressure, and being anxious. Remember in your other thread that when I said when we are afraid, certain parts of the brain gets turned off a bit? This is why when being pressured and anxious, it's hard to find the words, and there are a lot of "ums" and "ahs". A little extra adrenaline makes us fidget, and a big sigh is almost a reflex to help calm us down by balancing out the CO2 in our blood with some extra oxygen.

You are correct in that most people feel uncomfortable in front of a camera. I know I would feel a little bit in the spot light, which I don't like either.

There are certain hints in your reactions to our responses that you may feel fear from criticism. I would imagine that right now, you are feeling slightly defensive from reading my observations of you. Just know that there are many people with this characteristic, we all loathe being in a vulnerable state.

Anyways, I very well could be wrong, and you may be acting yourself when making your video. I'm just saying it can be hard to type someone when they are under pressure or stress. It's best when they are at peace and comfortably doing what they do best.
 

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I agree with QuickTwist that was all more than a little harsh, Te or not. c__c


@QuickTwist - There's definitely a lot to take in, with the functions and all - and moreso with visual signals. But maybe I can help a bit. Both psychologically and visually you certainly have Ni/Se.

Psychologically

From a psychological angle, your mind's attention is turned toward (and tuned into) visceral reality as it's transpiring sensationally around you -- as well as the causal implications that this sense births. Your choice of topics also reflected this tendency, though this doesn't always have to be the case with all people. Your mind tries to think of things to say and lingers naturally into the somatic.

An example of this is at about 3:30+ when you run out of things to say, your eyes begin to sharply scan the environment (while your mind is probably searching internally) and then come back around at 3:45 with "I've been trying to get more physically fit lately".

Somatic Attention

Also, little things like being heavily affected by physical discomforts and noticing the tedious passing of time, are side-effects of very present Se. As well as some level of impatience when things aren't moving forward into new stimuli. Your body seemed like it was waiting (in a way that is more specific than just general camera-uneasiness)

Ne users on camera usually display much less uneasiness even when they run out of topics because their psyche scatters and branches so easily that they produce tangents naturally. There's also an initial metaphorical mental 'hop' with a little excitement when an Ne user lands on a new topic. With Ni/Se users, this hop is absent and instead they just glide right into the new topic.. as it seems to follow quite inevitably from where they were at just prior.

Trial and Error

"I hate trial and error stuff. I don't like to do it (i can do it, but I don't like it)" - this is also telling, if we consider the way you said it and how it was meant. Of course, I wouldn't suggest that all Ni/Se types hate trial and error -- and all types can dislike it -- but Ne/Si users (who build their worldview more from peeking their nose into every possibility, only to have most of them be dead ends, yet trying again and again) live their life as one long trial-and-error process. Thus Ne/Si users usually enjoy the trial and error process and have an optimistic energy to invest energies on another try.

To build a quick caricature of this difference..

It could be said Ne/Si is like... "..but what about this?? lets try it! ..oh wait, that didn't work. Ok, how about this!! ...no? ...then this? ...ahh, yes, yes. Now if I just do this too, what will I get".

Whereas Ni/Se may be more like "....no, that won't work. No, that won't work either. Ok, maybe that one will. *tries it*. Crap it failed. screw this, we're getting nowhere."

Visually

Your eyes are continually sharp and focused. They stay steady for long stretches of time, with the edge of the eyebrows slightly elevated and the upper eyelid slightly resting down on the eye. Something sometimes referred to as "cat-like" eyes by some.

KwboVRd.png



(It takes a while to explain the nuance of this, so I won't go into it in this post.)

Te/Fi

As for your judgment functions, I believe you very likely have Te/Fi (although more footage would help confirm this), and I do believe you are an NiTe with moderate-to-high development of Se and some development of Fi.

Your body movements are very snappy; jittery in a quick way. With a lot of abrupt shoulder shrugs, sassy swaying (a clear example at 4:49-4:51 but they're everywhere) which are all indications of Te/Fi being very quick and snappy in its judgments and the body consequently following that rhythm. The sassyness comes more from the independence of Fi being channeled through Te articulation.

Your articulation lacks an emotional energy; it is entirely monotone and spartan. The combination of dispassionate articulation of this sort with jittery body movements/swaying is classic Te.

I'm not 100% certain about the function arrangement, though Ni(Te/Fi)Se is what I am seeing from this video. That's my $0.02. :)

ps. - NiTe's, as actual real people, are different from the INTJ profiles, so I'd be careful about directly correlating the two. What an NiTe is, in a lot of ways, has to be experienced -- as with all other types. o.o As inconvenient as that is for readers.

Yeah, I can get that. I would like to know more about what you think about my eyes -that whole cat like thing. I also noticed that my eyes rested somewhat on my irises. I don't look in the mirror very often so I was kinda surprised by that. I would like to know more details about facial cues of this nature and what it means if you have time. I would be willing to do another video but would like more guidelines since I will typically run out of things to say without direction.

You seem pretty grounded, like no pretensions or anything, just you being you. I'm guessing you are a pretty chill person.

My initial impressions(before the video, a long time ago) were ENTP/ISTP. Though I have no idea now.

Hey man, glad you could see it. Even though you didn't provide a type I still think that you made a decent post and it was honest in your interpretation and I would agree with it.





I would love living in CA BTW

http://youtu.be/K2zqAmP0DpM
 

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I was leaning toward ISTP because of the lack of Fe, but I can see NiTe as well.

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@Auburn was the smile at 2:48 not a Fe interpersonal smile.
 

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I am actually curious to hear what Lot thinks... I don't know why. I think his perspective could be very enlightening. Again, I don't know why. Maybe its because Lot tends to withhold his opinions of others. Most of the time this is a good thing but I am asking him here.
 

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If you are NiTe as Auburn says then you don't have a clamp on your Te as I do. That's why you feel comfortable because you decide easily. See my thread (Began School at 8) for more info.
 

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Thanks. I took a look at it already. Obviously what we are both seeing is that Auburn is a good visual typist. If you would like my opinion I will try to give a fair response. Just ask.
 

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My last post was about how I think I operate. Ni is pattern surfing in my videos ideas being pulled out of my subconscious. What do you think?
 

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sorry Ninja if you were just looking for a short answer!
@Auburn was the smile at 2:48 not a Fe interpersonal smile.

I can see what you're picking up on, yeah. There's another similar smile at 4:08. In general all of his smiles go outward to the sides quite a bit. But to me that's the only "Fe-like" quality they hold, but they lack the most important distinguisher between the two smiles: the direction of the tension.

I've found this to often be a difficult cue to explain to others, since it's so subtle, but for Fi/Te when they smile there's a vertical tension occurring, while for Fe there's a diagonal tension going roughly toward the ears. And the tension is independent of the width of the smile.

The wide-vs-short length of the smile is a good starting point, but I've found that there are some people whose faces have more spread out cheekbones or the facial muscles are spread differently. Which is actually fine since CT isn't physiognomy -- as in a practice that reads static features -- but the dynamic reading of muscular tension as it occurs in the face. So wide-smiles actually aren't an Fe trait at all: only more typical, by extension, from the natural and typical consequence of having tension spread out diagonally instead of vertically.

To help illustrate this a bit, here's Fe-user Lawrence Krauss vs Fi-user Janet Jackson, who both have naturally wide smiles.

Krauss: http://i.imgur.com/dQjUj2U.jpg
Krauss: http://i.imgur.com/vMwlQDX.jpg

Jackson: http://i.imgur.com/3fdsbeW.jpg
Jackson: http://i.imgur.com/L9fsgc2.jpg
Jackson: http://i.imgur.com/t3nnWJJ.jpg

Notice the bulge that forms on Jackson's cheeks. Not all Fi users have this but it's the result of upward-tension of the levator anguli oris clashing against the nose area.

What happens is that the levator anguli oris has much less room to go upward (before it clashes into the nose) than Fe's room to go diagonally. So what often results in Fi users is a bulge that has a very sharp/steep slope. It's like the cheek is pulled taut. On a face with closer cheekbones it looks like this (which you're probably familiar with)

But the bulge only applies to people who have well defined cheek muscles (often higher-Fi users have this). Fi/Te users with less toned cheeks still have that upward clash but it looks something like this:

Dawkins: http://i.imgur.com/HaLY7IS.jpg
Dawkins: http://i.imgur.com/Kh9221e.jpg
Dawkins: http://i.imgur.com/nF4yQvJ.jpg (intermediate)

Notice how in the first two images the bulge is hardly there, but in the third it's there. But the way the smile is cringing is the same. After a while you learn to notice the way the smile is cringing (upward) more than whether or not there's a bulge or if the smile is wide.

One way to phrase this is:

1. upward tension: most reliable cue (difficulty: hard)
2. bulge from clashing with nose: reliable cue (difficulty: moderate)
3. widening from Fe diagonal pulling: somewhat reliable cue (difficulty: easy)

Err... now to bring it back home. I think that QuickTwist has upward tension when he smiles, despite some wideness, though the video quality's a bit too low to be fully certain (which is why I'm more certain about his perception than judgment).

But what really helps me better confirm Te is the presence of Fi tension at rest. If one sees the cues of one function, the cues of the polar should be there too. In this case, Ti neutrality vs Fi tension. If you look at Krauss' face at rest:

Krauss: http://i.imgur.com/P4GHwrq.jpg
QuickTwist: http://i.imgur.com/EcZGIpG.png

Compared with QuickTwist, who almost seems to have pursed lips -- as if something invisible is contracting them together, pinching them... especially right above the corners of the lips where you can see some shadow... then we see that he has Fi tension as a default. This means that due to his emotional world being inward turned, he has an inner association with his emotional register -- causing a constantly emotional face. In his case his face constantly looks a bit sad/upset. Krauss has an inner disassociation with the emotional register, causing no default tension around the lips or nose.

(but I should note Krauss is NeTi, so this level/caliber of neutrality is more related to high-Ti. Fe has a different sort of tension too but nonetheless its still not like the Fi tension.)


But on top of these cues there's the presence of the sassy swaying, head jittering, shoulder shrugs, and monotone speech - reminiscent of the NiTe Visual Reading video. Which, altogther form a pretty consistent case for Te/Fi.

@quicktwist - i took the liberty of screenshotting your video a few times, but please let me know if you'd rather have the pics deleted and i can do that for you. :) :cat:
 

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@Auburn, I got bit by a dog on the lip and had to get some stitches. Does that tell you anything about my facial expressions? You can keep the pics up.
 

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On second thought it probably means nothing. Thanks for you input all, especially @Auburn.
 

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As suggested in my other thread, my advice is to watch The Wire. See if you identify more with the ISTPs (namely Detective Jimmy McNulty) or more with the INTPs (such as Detective Lester Freamon). It's a long series (5 seasons, ~12 or so episodes per season, hour per episode), but you could probably get away with just the first two seasons, and I would say this option should remove any doubt from your mind as to which type you are.
 

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Great example of ISTP behavior is S2E08 "Duck and Cover" 0:00-4:00.
http://youtu.be/OhaZunwvW5o

Great example of INTP behavior is S2E12 "Port in a Storm" 15:55-18:20.
 
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Hmm after thinking about it for a bit I think Auburn has got it right. I know you are N from the forum, you seem to want closure, you seem a little uncomfortable and restless as the video goes and you start running out of things to say. So INTJ seems the most likely bet, still you could be an INFJ, can't really tell from the video.
 

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real lost kinda ISTJ.

from your posts i used to think ESxP.
 

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Hmm after thinking about it for a bit I think Auburn has got it right. I know you are N from the forum, you seem to want closure, you seem a little uncomfortable and restless as the video goes and you start running out of things to say. So INTJ seems the most likely bet, still you could be an INFJ, can't really tell from the video.
Oops, I probably should've finished reading the thread before posting, lol. I have examples of INTJ and INFJ posted in "The Wire" thread too.
 

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From what I can tell and for what it's worth, there seemed to be some Ti present... Also, if you're "ISTP" then you might actually "be INFP"..
 

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Could you explain? I'm kinda lost on that last one.
 
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