INTPs (only): how do you score on the Hare Psychopathy Checklist?

[baccheion]

http://vistriai.com/psychopathtest/

 

[Cognisant]

The moment this becomes competitive and turns into a killcount competition.

 

[Jennywocky]

I apparently suck at being a psychopath, except perhaps possibly as an intellectual exercise or book-writing project.

 

[Rixus]

I scored 15. No more or less psychopathic than most people. Given my tendency to engage in human experimentation, it may in fact be higher in reality.

When I've done more professional tests for psychopathic tenancies, I've scored fairly low overall. Though unfortunately, low empathy and slightly higher than average narcissism. But that goes back to an argument I had earlier today with an INFP that empathy can be entirely logical, and sitting there crying about someone else's pain is meaningless if you can help them and don't. I may start a thread about that - it was a fascinating argument.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

un-RIP Rixus.


also apparently I'm the most psychopathic of the bunch so far?

I got 19

 

[Asena]

Got a 25. At least I don't feel too insane.

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[Nick85]

I got 12.

 

[Jennywocky]

also apparently I'm the most psychopathic of the bunch so far?

Is that really shocking, Mister "I H A V E C O N S U M E D T H E O N E T H E Y C A L L G E R T R U D E"?

 

[Niclmaki]

22

 

[Nymus Anon]

18
Apparently I'm a decent-ish person.

 

[Yourmother]

If being a psychopath means you manipulate others callously, are arrogant, commit crimes, believe yourself to be above the law, think of others as below you and think of yourself as someone who should be held to different standards, then I want no part of it.

In fact, if the above is true, then I strongly believe that all psychopaths should burn in hell. If they seek to benefit from society without contributing to it, then they can all go fuck off on the moon.

 

[Yellow]

@yourmother,
"Psychopathy", or Antisocial Personality Disorder, sticks out like a sore thumb, and I've very rarely seen it here. Most people with the disorder are average-to-below-average IQ (many are "slow learners"), they can't keep their lies straight for more than a few minutes, they believe themselves superior, and they genuinely care only about their immediate needs and wants. They don't usually think things through, and they are always looking for a foothold.

One of the most successful APDs in recent history(as far as long-running high-profile criminal activity), serial killer Ted Bundy, knew he was on record with the police, and even he couldn't manage to last more than 20 minutes without confusing his lies.

He was exceptional, though. They're usually only hazardous to naive strangers (they have a knack for identifying desperately co-dependent people) and their own parents (because he's still my baby!)

@OP,
I score a 23 because apparently, I'm shady as fuck.

 

[redbaron]

10

 

[emmabobary]

24

Meh...
(why do I keep taking these?... )


@Yellow
I kinda disagree when you say psychopaths are average or below the average IQ. Mostly because psychopathy and APD (or sociopathy) are not the same, at least to me. Psychopathy is more pervasive and inflexible than ASP. ASP has a more social and ambient influence for it to be developed therefore their crimes aim to disturb social welfare, also sociopaths make the 30% of prison population (this in US, in my country they make the 60%), they come mostly from a lower social class.
Against psychopathy, that bearly makes a 2% of prison population (I´m refering people diagnosed with Hare´s checklist or other specific tools to diagnose it). I think psychopaths are not as impulsive as sociopaths, they´re not as disfunctional, neither come from disfunctional families as most sociopaths. Most psychopaths are outside, (we can meet them in our day to day life) are able to avoid prison, they don´t necessarily kill or rob, they don´t focus in harming phyisically or the most people they can, they just focus in harming, seeking attention and laughing at law, they´re actually above the average IQ.

In short a terrorist is a sociopath not a psycopath, and Ted Bundy is a psychopath (one that got caught) but not a sociopath.
.............
I guess what I´m really trying to say is that the DSM sucks

 

[Rixus]

From what I've read on the subject, there is no medical consensus for the difference between sociopath and psychopath. They are essentially the same thing, but some psychologists try to distinguish between them in different ways dependent upon who you are speaking to. Which no longer matters, because neither exists anymore. Both terms were surpassed by the Anti-Social Personality Disorder some time ago. Essentially, this covers those with a mixture aggression issues, impulse control, lack of empathy and sadistic tendencies.

From what I understand and way it was described to me, life as a psychopath/sociopath/APD is somewhat like playing a computer game. In a computer game, killing and maiming can be fun. You feel no problem with burning down people's homes or setting sheep on fire and can be amused by finding inventive new ways of killing people. It can be funny because it's not real. That is how life is for these people - it doesn't matter because you're not real. Therefore the consequences to themselves are the only reason for any good or bad behaviour.

I've never heard anything of such people having below average intelligence. They are usually described as experts at manipulation and very shrewd. Of course, like any groups I guess these sorts of traits would apply to people across the spectrum of abilities. I'd imagine the less intelligent ones would be very easy to spot (think how it can be somewhat insulting when a stupid person attempts to dupe you, and you cannot understand why someone would think any human so gullible), whereas the smarter one's would go undetected and behave themselves, playing a tactical game by the lawful rules. These types end up in board rooms and positions of power.

 

[Jennywocky]

One of the most successful APDs in recent history(as far as long-running high-profile criminal activity), serial killer Ted Bundy, knew he was on record with the police, and even he couldn't manage to last more than 20 minutes without confusing his lies.

he was nuts, it's kind of amazing he held it together as long as he did.

He was exceptional, though. They're usually only hazardous to naive strangers (they have a knack for identifying desperately co-dependent people) and their own parents (because he's still my baby!)

In this country, he could have been elected president apparently.

@OP,
I score a 23 because apparently, I'm shady as fuck.

Now I know who to call if I need something done. Mua ha ha.

 

[The Gopher]

2

 

[emmabobary]

@Rixus
That´s an interesting way to see it.


Well, the medical concensus. Honestly, I don´t give too much credit to it. My training is psychoanalytical. And seems to me that gathering a very dangerous group of disorders (and I think they come from different aspects, damage or ways of functioning of personality) under a vague, general and arbitrary diagnose doesn´t help knowing more about them for treatment and detection purposes.

 

[Rixus]

@Rixus
That´s an interesting way to see it.


Well, the medical concensus. Honestly, I don´t give too much credit to it. My training is psychoanalytical. And seems to me that gathering a very dangerous group of disorders (and I think they come from different aspects, damage or ways of functioning of personality) under a vague, general and arbitrary diagnose doesn´t help knowing more about them for treatment and detection purposes.

That depends on how the diagnosis is used. X person is a psychopath, that means this course of treatment. Y person is a sociopath, and therefore this course.

Or, this person has 4 of the 7 seven behavioural traits that indicate disregard and violations of the rights of others. This means 4 particular issues in a unique pattern for this person need to be worked upon in order to construct an effective treatment.

I reality, the particular label isn't 100% important with mental health. It just gives the health professional an idea of what to expect and what direction to take treatment in - the end particulars of how to treat are down to the psychiatrist after spending time with them and analysing their particular case; but that is dependent upon the psychiatrist and health system in question.

 

[Black Rose]

The difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is in the full extent of the words used.

psychological pathology
vs
social pathology

The first has a low sense of self and therefore has a self-model that is distorted and thus it can lead to behaviors that harm others but most psychopaths do so because they don't understand people. Non-violent psychopaths still don't understand people but never felt that other people were a threat.

Sociopaths fully understand people but have predatory natures and are manipulative to the core. The totally lack compassion so in their minds if they can get away with it then it is ok for them to do it.

Both are pathologies and this means they are both mentally sick people.

I myself have psychosis.
I deal with mental pain allot and it is not fun.

psy·cho·sis
sīˈkōsəs/Submit
noun
a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

 

[QuickTwist]

10

I don't believe you are less psychopathic than myself

I got 15

 

[QuickTwist]

That depends on how the diagnosis is used. X person is a psychopath, that means this course of treatment. Y person is a sociopath, and therefore this course.

Or, this person has 4 of the 7 seven behavioural traits that indicate disregard and violations of the rights of others. This means 4 particular issues in a unique pattern for this person need to be worked upon in order to construct an effective treatment.

I reality, the particular label isn't 100% important with mental health. It just gives the health professional an idea of what to expect and what direction to take treatment in - the end particulars of how to treat are down to the psychiatrist after spending time with them and analysing their particular case; but that is dependent upon the psychiatrist and health system in question.

I don't believe Psychopathy is an actual diagnosis actually.

 

[Nymus Anon]

2

That's honestly scarily non-psychopathic. There are two extremes to everything.

 

[Ex-User (12972)]

Hmm.. I only scored 9.

 

[DexterMaster]

I just hope this test isn't linked with the cops lolz
26 here, I don't like people but didn't know that much.

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[Happy]

Dead centre of the bell curve on this one. I feel as if I've failed in some way

 

[Reluctantly]

13. I'm fine with that. I'm not a psychopath. I think I agree with Yellow though after having to work with one in the Army. The weird thing is he used to say he was a psychopath, which for some reason I thought you weren't supposed to tell people, so I kind of didn't believe him.

But he had the laziness, a strange desire to hurt people for no reason, the callous emotions, and he usually doesn't care or think about other people. Believes emotions are some kind of weakness that makes people do things without thinking (which to him is what he sees, but really it's just a kind of passion and/or love he just doesn't understand). I asked him why he didn't steal or try to get away with breaking the law anymore and he said it's too hard to get away with stuff in the military. Supposedly, he was some kind of drug dealer before he joined and just wanted to get out of that (said he almost got arrested, but ran away in a raid or something). Hard to tell what he says is a lie; he even admits that some stuff he says is a flat out lie. The weird thing is I don't feel so odd around him, but maybe because he is too.

 

[Creeping Death]

I've never heard anything of such people having below average intelligence. They are usually described as experts at manipulation and very shrewd.

Gary Ridgway has an IQ in the 70's I've heard (forget the source on that). He convinced at least 49 women to get in his truck with him, passed a polygraph (skeptical about these), and managed to evade law enforcement for years. You don't have to be a genius to be manipulative.