INTPs drawn to the maniacal?

[Anti-socialite]

Since I started noticing boys at age 11, I've been drawn to the strange and edgy. I know that most women tend to like "bad boys" but I think my situation is a bit different. I've found myself being sexually attracted to extremely violent boys and men. I mean like serial killers, school shooters, the guys that dress in all black and practice vampiric blood-letting with their girlfriends.

Yeah. Like that.

In high school, there was this guy who completely fascinated me and I don't think he had one screw tight in that head of his (above, I was referring to him). He had a behavior disorder (he told me this one day although I kind of assumed as much) and it completely turned me on. It was weird, which made the situation all the more attractive to me.

Do you know what totally killed it for me?

The following year on the first day of school, there was this buzz going around about him which, given his prior status, seemed odd. When I finally encountrered him for the first time that school year, he had COMPLETELY changed his look and demeanor. Don't get me wrong. I'm totally for people getting psychological help when they need it so I didn't fault him for the demeanor thing. But he'd done away with the black trenchcoats, the wicked fro-hawk and painful looking piercings and traded them in for a varsity football jacket and college-cut. He seemed "cured" from his disorder, which I was happy about on a level (no more suffering) but his foray into the world of Abercrombie & Fitch just killed any sexual feelings I had for the guy.

And then there's the movie "Mr. Brooks". I suppose you see where I'm going with that so I won't go into detail but I will say that now I have the biggest jones for Kevin Costner when in the past he'd always seemed like the typical tired actor.

I'm not saying I would have a relationship with someone like Mr. Brooks because logic says this guy would undoubtedly kill me. But it sure is...alluring?

Do any other INTPs feel that they are inexplicably attracted to the maniacal?

 

[Dissident]

I guess your question is directed to girls, but ill respond anyway
I wouldnt say maniacal (what you describe is rather creepy), but certainly interested in girls a little psichologicaly messed up in certain way, for me its like a riddle that I try to figure out, to understand. Not the neurotic just-wont-shut-up kind, but the eccentric introverted hard-shell-soft-inside kind.

 

[Thread Killer]

I'm glad to say I cannot relate. I'm more often drawn to understanding, inwardly strong, tender individuals. At least you say you would not be in a relationship with such monsters, but I suppose in my past I could relate to such fancies but only in pretend. The truth is, assholes make my blood boil. I'd sooner kill them with my own two hands than have any meaningful relationship with such human waste. I've lost my tolerance for scum.

 

[Raison D'etre]

I too share the same attraction to the "maniacal," but I prefer the criminals that don't feel any sympathy or guilt and can avoid being caught. I'm attracted because I'm interested in their actions, their thoughts, reasons why they do what they do, live among us, and simply because they were intelligent enough to get away. It is an attraction fueled by fascination.

 

[Kidege]

Only fictional characters, over here. Fascinating, no doubt. But the real thing? Away from me!

 

[Raison D'etre]

I get what you mean, but isn't it interesting to find a character from the pages of a book or the chambers of your mind escape into this dull reality? Even if I am interested or attracted, I am not idiotic enough to have a real intimate, sexual relationship. I am attracted, but I'm not going to make a move. I can't explain it very well.

 

[Perseus]

This is the Anima attraction of the ESFJ. Different gender required.

I got attacked by a homicidal maniac of the same sex who tried to murder me.

ESFJ females are dangerous enough!

 

[Jordan~]

I really don't relate to this at all. I was thinking about what I would find most attractive the other day, and I realised that what I want is a guy I can spend my entire life with without having to see another living soul. Basically someone who fulfills my every social need, who I'm so comfortable and happy with that I have no desire to know anyone else. Could I say what any of the qualities this person would need are? No. Once again, I fall in love with an idea and then flounder over the details. The story of my (albeit not very long) life.

 

[Perseus]

That latter bit is Romantic. This is the province of the Idealists (NF), possibly (said the Hawk INTJ) the mythical world of the Dragon (INFP). The Dragon says the world is real.

 

[Ogion]

Ah come on now. Somewhere such theories like MBTI-types are only model and not the 'real thing'. So they model the real thing (which is all the humans out there) and simplify their personalities. But that model of course has flaws, since it is a model, and not the real humans...
And i want to say with this, that making such sharp distinctions between types, is illusion. There is no person out there, which is only and literally 'testbook' "INTP". Romantic emotions are just that, emotions. Human emotions, and every human is likely to sometimes feel this emotion. This goes for everything. Only because i mostly rely on 'Logic', i do have times where i act upon emotion. I couldn't stop it, emotions are fundamental in the human brain. As is rationalising etc...

So saying that Jordan is romantic at that and such can't be 'INTP', or is some "NF" or else is silly. In case of doubt, what she is, that is "Jordan" (assuming that to be her name); to be clearly, she is not Jordan, but she is she. She is what she is, what she feels, thinks, senses...
So your comment is taking a model like this type-model to seriously. In a case of discrepancy, we rather have to look upon the model and think about how we can make it better, not saying "You are INTP, so you are not romantic-feeling, or you are not INTP"^^

Ogion

 

[Olba]

Attractions? Eh, what's that?

Well, let's just say that I don't take people seriously enough to build a serious relation to most of them. Currently, after two years in this education, I've managed to get the numbers of three people. All of which are guys, by the way. And so am I.

Actually, my behavior has lead people to question my sexual orientation, which is kinda funny.

And plus, I'm still wondering about the whole concept behind "love". Or "liking" for that matter.

But let's analyse the situation for a bit. From a psychological point of view, "maniacal" people wouldn't make good parents, right? After all, they might mistreat the kid in all of their mania. Or they might get him/her into it, too. Which surely isn't a good thing. Therefore, it would be illogical to be attracted to such people.


So no, it doesn't make any sense. Nor is there any data to even make the connection.

Honestly, I'm starting to get annoyed by all of this "Hey, I tested INTP and I have this thing that is special, I wonder if it's an INTP trait heh"-crap.

 

[Anti-socialite]

I too share the same attraction to the "maniacal," but I prefer the criminals that don't feel any sympathy or guilt and can avoid being caught. I'm attracted because I'm interested in their actions, their thoughts, reasons why they do what they do, live among us, and simply because they were intelligent enough to get away. It is an attraction fueled by fascination.

Ah ha! Someone who totally gets it. That's exactly what fascinated me about Mr. Brooks. Although he was a serial killer he seemed to have his life set up very legitimately and comfortably. He wasn't on-the-run, he wasn't plagued by guilt. In the beginning he seems to be overwhelmed by the resurfacing of his murderous alter-ego but as the story progresses, you realize that not only is his 'id' subordinate to his Frankly, he seemed more comfortable in his own skin than most straight-laced people.

 

[Anti-socialite]

Whoops! I mean...
"Ah ha! Someone who totally gets it. That's exactly what fascinated me about Mr. Brooks. Although he was a serial killer he seemed to have his life set up very legitimately and comfortably. He wasn't on-the-run, he wasn't plagued by guilt. In the beginning he seems to be overwhelmed by the resurfacing of his murderous alter-ego but as the story progresses, you realize that not only is his 'id' subordinate to his well-adjusted self, it is his weapon instead of his yoke.

Oh and frankly, Mr. Brooks seemed more comfortable in his own skin than most straight-laced people."

 

[Anti-socialite]

Oh and this isn't about marriage and mating. This is only about sexual attraction.

 

[Perseus]

Romance is a fantasy according to some. To others it is a collection of memes. Religion is about the same. Even history is an abstract foreign subject to some utilitarians living in the present. Tendency or direction.

To me, by definition as shown in the Keirsey book, in order to be a INTP rather than a INFP, you would have to see romance in the meme science of sociology. However, I have argued on my blog under Morph Shifting (Emotion - Thinking Continuum) that this particular continuum/ is perhaps on the four doors that is amenable to adaptation/change.

You definitive question is (also on the blog), what sort of mate are you looking for?

Soulmate. Helpmate. Playmate. Mindmate. or Days of 49 ?

 

[Ogion]

Well, how can a feeling be a fantasy? The very essence of a feeling is that is it felt by someone. Therefore, if someone feels a feeling he or she describes a romance, it can't be a fantasy.

[...]in order to be a INTP rather than a INFP[...]

Hm, well, you know, this is probably the point where our views of the whole typology differ. To me it is some kind of classification by means of observation. Just empirically find certain groups of human behaviour and thought. So i personally see the description of the INTP-group as most fitting for me. That does not mean though, that i will try to be a 'INTP'. It means, my self-observed behavious and thiking mostly resembles the INTP-group. But what if i have some thought-processes or behaviours, which doesn't fit this INTP-description? Well, my answer to that is: Aha, so the INTP-group-description is not sophisticated enough. Perhaps applying a model-like description to my personality isn't the best way, and then i am back to not simplifying my personality, but rather just observing every one thought and feeling and action. Because that at least is most sophisticated, since it makes my label (like "Ogion"), my box consisting of all observations for themselves. Of course that is a box only applying to me and not so simple to use (by design).

Perhaps answering to your last comment: I personally am not searching but waiting for perhaps a soulmate. Soulmate in the sense of a person i can connect to really good and which is just the right person for me and where i am just the right person for her (i suppose it is a she, but who could know really, openmindedly?)

Ogion

 

[Kidege]

Who says INTPs can't be romantic? It's the whole "childlike purity" love thing. Of course, we're mainly romantic in our heads (says I), cause we're shy, or lazy, or we don't feel like getting in a mess... maybe because of the whole "childlike purity" thing, a.k.a naiveté that we know we have going.

@Anti: Attraction... well, I confess Hannibal Lecter caught my attention. I haven't watched Mr. Brooks, though.

@Raison d': A character making it into real life? We never know people as much as we can get to know characters. It takes time and patience, and still they never are "open books", pardon the pun. At any rate, I don't think I'd find the real life being attractive. It'd clash against my ethics too much.

I think of Rimbaud. The young Rimbaud had a wicked angel allure, brains and beauty. That's attractive. But then the worse parts of his personality overcome him. He stops being "potential danger" and becomes "major wreck". That's not attractive (at least to me).

 

[Perseus]

Keirsey said in the book that NTs are rational not romantic.

But these are just animals. Human beings can morph shift to NF if they want.

I do that every night in my dreams when I suspend thinking.

Q: Do psychopaths have dreams?

 

[Perseus]

Oh and this isn't about marriage and mating. This is only about sexual attraction.

Do you remember the scene in Beautiful Mind when the "John Forbes Nash" got slapped around the face for asking for a shag.

 

[Perseus]

Howlin' Wolf had a lot of charisma, an ENFJ trait.

These animals allocations are driving me crazy.

A Coyote is playing tricks with me head!

 

[Jordan~]

Keirsey said in the book that NTs are rational not romantic.

I think perhaps Keirsey did not mean "romance" as in love, but "romance" as in the artistic movement. Myers-Briggs said INTPs were childlike and pure in love. However, I disagree that we're not romantic in the other sense, either. Romanticism appeals to me greatly, as does romance in the love sense - this from a person who always scores 100% introverted and above 85% thinking. I don't think it's a particular shift toward feeling, I just think it's a different way of thinking - and the lovey-dovey type romance could be attributed to our inferior function, extraverted feeling.

Once again, I stress that I don't think there's a correlation to type here (did I ever say that?). I really don't recognise this at all - my attraction to the bad boy type only goes as far as liking mischievous sorts. As to the explanation for it - well, it could be instinctive, and more primal than the whole "Who will be best to father my child?" thing - a psychopath is "powerful" in a superficial sort of way, and power can be attractive.

 

[Olba]

Oh and this isn't about marriage and mating. This is only about sexual attraction.

Sexual attraction is a prerequisite for mating with humans, therefore my point is valid. And it's been proven that most people choose partners based on how good the passable traits are, whereas after the child is born, you would choose a based on how good a parent they make.

And now, I quote myself.

Honestly, I'm starting to get annoyed by all of this "Hey, I tested INTP and I have this thing that is special, I wonder if it's an INTP trait heh"-crap.

 

[Anti-socialite]

Sexual attraction is a prerequisite for mating with humans, therefore my point is valid. And it's been proven that most people choose partners based on how good the passable traits are, whereas after the child is born, you would choose a based on how good a parent they make.

And now, I quote myself.

Well keep being tired of it. I have a right to submit a thread in which I ask the INTP community about specific personality traits.

Why respond to this thread if you have no interest in it? I've been reading a lot of your posts and you seem to be angry about something that has nothing to do with the threads you've responded to. Why not stay off the site when you feel you're going to spew whatever emotions you can't deal with into your comments?

 

[Anti-socialite]

I think perhaps Keirsey did not mean "romance" as in love, but "romance" as in the artistic movement. Myers-Briggs said INTPs were childlike and pure in love. However, I disagree that we're not romantic in the other sense, either. Romanticism appeals to me greatly, as does romance in the love sense - this from a person who always scores 100% introverted and above 85% thinking. I don't think it's a particular shift toward feeling, I just think it's a different way of thinking - and the lovey-dovey type romance could be attributed to our inferior function, extraverted feeling.

Once again, I stress that I don't think there's a correlation to type here (did I ever say that?). I really don't recognise this at all - my attraction to the bad boy type only goes as far as liking mischievous sorts. As to the explanation for it - well, it could be instinctive, and more primal than the whole "Who will be best to father my child?" thing - a psychopath is "powerful" in a superficial sort of way, and power can be attractive.

That's what I thought but my affinity for killers has had me worried here lately .

 

[fullerene]

I think my head just exploded. Seriously, my mind is blown. That is... a few weeks ago I came to the conclusion that people like you have to exist for reality to make sense to me, but I must admit I'm legitimately surprised to actually hear from one (a combination of there can't be very many, and they likely wouldn't talk about it in real life anyway, which is where I have most of my interaction). I'm personally not a fan of using technology to talk about things you wouldn't share but with your closest friends in person just because you hold no attachment to them if they suddenly decide to judge you, but it's too perfect a situation that I can't resist.

believe it or not, I'm actually a guy who realized that his most intense sexual fantasies revolved around things like violence and rape and all sorts of horrible things where the other person couldn't really do anything about it. No joke. I'm honestly not a violent person, and I really do love people pretty deeply (after that long period it takes to get to trust them), but when the hormones kicked in around puberty I couldn't deny that those were attractive to me as well. I spent years just terrified by my own thoughts, hiding away and praying it would never affect anyone else. I mean I'd never go out and do anything horrible now... but 20, 30, 40 years down the line, how can you know? It doesn't help that everyone who knows that something's wrong wants to find out what's bothering you, but even those who say they want to help don't know what they're asking, and could very easily get sickened and judgmental by the idea. We're all used to being misunderstood, right? I wouldn't take a chance for the longest time talking to anybody at all. Instead I shut in on myself, like we all tend to do, and fought to find some way to make sense of these feelings.

I was borderline going insane, but then like... no joke, probably about 5 or so weeks ago, I had a dream that... well... its not really appropriate for here, but it was undeniable proof that fantasy is fantasy, and can be kept separate from reality. Afterwords I realized that my worldview wouldn't quite unless there were girls around too who had similar inexplicable dreams (my worldview's complicated... haha leave me alone).

so thank you, for reaffirming my grip on reality.

PS: oh yeah, I didn't really summarize here, did I? No, I don't think there's a type correlation... its just a very uncommon trait. Most of the people I know don't understand, but they're actually fairly non-judgmental about it... which is good because I misjudged someone once and opened up to them when I shouldn't have, and with my inferior emotional function or whatever it was painful. Frankly, I think it's lucky that we're already on the fringe of society so that it doesn't interfere a whole lot with our interaction with people.

 

[Fleur]

In my opinion, serial killers and people with maniacal tendencies are irrational and lack common sense, so thiefs and con actors interesests me more.

 

[Anti-socialite]

I think my head just exploded. Seriously, my mind is blown. That is... a few weeks ago I came to the conclusion that people like you have to exist for reality to make sense to me, but I must admit I'm legitimately surprised to actually hear from one (a combination of there can't be very many, and they likely wouldn't talk about it in real life anyway, which is where I have most of my interaction). I'm personally not a fan of using technology to talk about things you wouldn't share but with your closest friends in person just because you hold no attachment to them if they suddenly decide to judge you, but it's too perfect a situation that I can't resist.

believe it or not, I'm actually a guy who realized that his most intense sexual fantasies revolved around things like violence and rape and all sorts of horrible things where the other person couldn't really do anything about it. No joke. I'm honestly not a violent person, and I really do love people pretty deeply (after that long period it takes to get to trust them), but when the hormones kicked in around puberty I couldn't deny that those were attractive to me as well. I spent years just terrified by my own thoughts, hiding away and praying it would never affect anyone else. I mean I'd never go out and do anything horrible now... but 20, 30, 40 years down the line, how can you know? It doesn't help that everyone who knows that something's wrong wants to find out what's bothering you, but even those who say they want to help don't know what they're asking, and could very easily get sickened and judgmental by the idea. We're all used to being misunderstood, right? I wouldn't take a chance for the longest time talking to anybody at all. Instead I shut in on myself, like we all tend to do, and fought to find some way to make sense of these feelings.

I was borderline going insane, but then like... no joke, probably about 5 or so weeks ago, I had a dream that... well... its not really appropriate for here, but it was undeniable proof that fantasy is fantasy, and can be kept separate from reality. Afterwords I realized that my worldview wouldn't quite unless there were girls around too who had similar inexplicable dreams (my worldview's complicated... haha leave me alone).

so thank you, for reaffirming my grip on reality.

PS: oh yeah, I didn't really summarize here, did I? No, I don't think there's a type correlation... its just a very uncommon trait. Most of the people I know don't understand, but they're actually fairly non-judgmental about it... which is good because I misjudged someone once and opened up to them when I shouldn't have, and with my inferior emotional function or whatever it was painful. Frankly, I think it's lucky that we're already on the fringe of society so that it doesn't interfere a whole lot with our interaction with people.

Thanks for sharing. I feel less weird now, too.

 

[fullerene]

Sure thing. Putting people at ease a little bit about themselves is the only thing that makes all those years of tearing myself apart inside worthwhile. I just wish it weren't so hard.

Yay for forums where no one actually knows who you are, eh?

 

[Anti-socialite]

Sure thing. Putting people at ease a little bit about themselves is the only thing that makes all those years of tearing myself apart inside worthwhile. I just wish it weren't so hard.

Yay for forums where no one actually knows who you are, eh?

Definintely.

 

[Olba]

Well keep being tired of it. I have a right to submit a thread in which I ask the INTP community about specific personality traits.

I never said you were not allowed to do that, just that I believe you should think about it a bit before you do.

In this case, the answer is clear. The condition described in the first post of this topic is pretty rare and also doesn't make much sense, as I proved already. And what's more, to get to that conclusion I only needed a gut feeling and some logic. Surely that is something everyone, INTP or not, should be able to do?

Why respond to this thread if you have no interest in it?

Actually, I'm rather interested in the topic. Just from a different point of view. You're trying to find out whether you're a rarity, whereas I'm trying to see if any of could make sense. Surely there has to be some reason, a root to all of it. I want to find it and analyse it.

Interestingly enough, for a moment there, I was going to write "And prevent it from being a global problem", but then I realized that such things hold no value to me whatsoever. Not to mention that it would take too many years of hard work.

I've been reading a lot of your posts and you seem to be angry about something that has nothing to do with the threads you've responded to.

Not necessarily angry, but maybe confused, surprised and a bit annoyed. I was always thinking that the INTPs would be somehow special. Geniuses whose words simply don't make sense until you actually think about it. But right now, if anything, I'm disappointed. Maybe I feel betrayed?

Why not stay off the site when you feel you're going to spew whatever emotions you can't deal with into your comments?

And what would I gain from pleasing you? If anything, I'm posting rather rarely, whenever I see something I could comment on.

 

[murkrow]

Hm...

I think it's just a female thing.

 

[Dissident]

Me too, thats why I thought the thread was directed to girls.
I think that a person like that would not be attractive to males, the idealized image of women tends to be sweet, caring, complacent, submissive, innocent, etc. On the other hand the idealized image of men tends to be phisically stong, powerful, dominant, etc (I dont idealize men, so I dont quite know really )
That would explain the complemental desire of Cryptonia and Anti-Socialite.

 

[Fleur]

I think that a person like that would not be attractive to males, the idealized image of women tends to be sweet, caring, complacent, submissive, innocent, etc.

I personally don`t really understand, why "perfect" woman have to be like that - in most times innocence leads only to problems. Actually, I don`t think that I have met any innocent person (either male or female) - innocence is gone, long existence for innocence!
Most of these "ideal" man or woman things is just for mind-mixing. If you`re not like traditional female, you`re not femine at all? Pheh. It`s just another strange opinion, which has been given from generation to generation, and it has lost it`s primary meaning.

 

[Dissident]

Dont ask me, I didnt wake up one day and decided what kind of woman I like, I just do, and I think most men would like them with those traits as well. Wether is natural or put in our minds by society I do not know and matters little once its established, but that doesnt rule out the possibility of finding attractive a woman with different characteristics.

 

[Fleur]

I`m not saying it was you. Just overall from everything I have heard this far...

 

[Jordan~]

Me too, thats why I thought the thread was directed to girls.
I think that a person like that would not be attractive to males, the idealized image of women tends to be sweet, caring, complacent, submissive, innocent, etc. On the other hand the idealized image of men tends to be phisically stong, powerful, dominant, etc (I dont idealize men, so I dont quite know really )
That would explain the complemental desire of Cryptonia and Anti-Socialite.

Thing is, I do like men, and manly men, too; but I'd still rather have sweet, caring, if not complacent or submissive, one. It must be something entirely to do with female instinct. I wonder, would a lesbian INTP be attracted to serial killers (if there's even a correlation, which I still doubt)?

 

[Dissident]

Well, I think that serial killers go over the edge, lets keep it to strong, powerful, dominant machos . I was talking about men and women in general, an INTP would probably add intelligence and other ingredients to the mixture.
As for lesbians, I usually see that in such couples there is one rather femenine and one rather "manly", I dont know if this is a rule but if so then that dynamic could still exist.

 

[Ogion]

Sorry, but i can't see, what attractive thing would be in a serial killer otr similar. Ok, i am male, perhaps that is the reason, but i doubt it.
Perhaps it is a cultural thing, as i am from another country than (all?) most of you, i probably have different viewpoints. Like for example Dissidents comment. I don't consider serial killer 'over_the_edge'-machos/conservative men. I don't consider serial killers really normal people anyway. And even among conservatives (here, in Germany), who wish for different roles of men and women (all that "Women belong in the kitchen"-stuff), it would not be 'manly' for such a man, to be violent and maniac. I am not defending convervative role models, because i think they are stupid, but i want to set a different view in this thread. To question the view here that "maniacs" were 'strong men' and 'attractive'. Please, don't waste all my faith in humanity...

And to the question of 'idealized women' (for me as a man): I think i couldn't stand a "sweet, caring, complacent, submissive, innocent, etc" woman as my partner/wife/whatever. I would constantly feel guilty, and thinking that i would exploit that woman. I would like to have a strong woman, a distinct individual with her own mind, who is a peer to me, with whom i can communicate equally. And really, this is not political correctness i show here, that is really my 'idealized' woman.

Ogion

 

[Dissident]

Like for example Dissidents comment. I don't consider serial killer 'over_the_edge'-machos/conservative men. I don't consider serial killers really normal people anyway.

I think I didnt phrase that well, I meant that talking of serial killers would be going over the edge, precisely because its not normal, rational, etc. So i proposed to discuss the macho stereotype, not to include "over the edge serial killers"

 

[Ogion]

Ah ok. I think i got you wrong there, i thought you described those criminals as in the direction of 'macho/strong men' but only too far.
But this way i can agree.

Ogion

 

[Kidege]

I don't think it's strictly a female thing. I know at least one guy who ended up with a cold, cunning, dominant girl who is also prone to criminal activities. I don't know if this is what attracted him in the first place, but there must be a reason why he stays with her. (And no, I can't ask him.)

 

[fullerene]

"I.... I have to speeculaate... that God him-self diid maaaake us in-to coor-es-pon-ding, shaapes like puz-zle pieeeces from the clay."
-Such Great Heights (rhythm taken from the Iron & Wine version)

haha seriously, I think peope just fit together. Some (most) don't understand, and some (a very few) have these ideas in their heads. Sadly, though, the subject is so taboo that if you're in the minority it's just much harder to find someone who fits. Similar enough sexual desires are hard enough to find, and when all the very many things that cross my mind as more important enter into the picture, it'd be a miracle to find anyone sometimes.

But yeah... I know its not as rare as it looks. I was talkin to onea my friends recently, and she said there was actually one of the top selling books out there right now, a romantic novel where the guy was a vampire. Part of what made it such a good book (apparantly) is the danger in the fact that although he loves her, if he ever lost control he could very easily end up drinking her blood. So... if something like this sells a lot, the idea itself can't be all that rare. I suspect, based on the fact that anti-socialite here says that she knows that a real serial killer would make a horrible husband, then a lot of the allure probaby lies in the danger, rather than the real thing itself. *shrug* I don't get it from their end either... I just highly, highly doubt that it has anything to do with personality types. There might be a gender correlation, based on the fact that no men I know read romantic novels and it's still one of the top selling books... but I dunno.

 

[Perseus]

The MOUSE ISFJ is recorded as attracting troublemakers. As Mothers they may not be popular as they support their Artisan sons (ISTP) hiding them under the bed as the Police (ESTJ) call.

However, the maniacs are ESFJ HORSEMEN, and these are the direct opposite of INTP, and they are not so much attracted (unless they are of the opposite gender) as the clash is so extreme and the maniacs really are maniacs, capable of murder on a whim. Nobody much else gets affected or even notices except Eagles (INTP) and possible Dragons (INFP) or Snakes (ENTP).

The moral is do not go to the feeding grounds (work) with these maniacs, which means cutting out work in Sales. Better to be a bureaucrat (ESTJ) than work in the sales environment. You simply have to fly above them. If you get down at their level, they will get spooked and attack.

 

[Perseus]

PS: If you pick a ESFJ partner, they will attempt to control you. They are highly charged emotionally and many of them are violent. I would say all of them.

It is the anima, so the attraction may be there. I expect you have seen the films, start running and don't look back!

PS: if you pick a ISFJ partner ..... make sure she does not know any witches. Beware of conspiracies.

 

[Fleur]

I don`t think that maniacs are only ESFJ.

 

[Perseus]

I don`t think that maniacs are only ESFJ.

No, but ESFJ are the worst. Anybody can be a maniac by proxy. ESTP Lion or Tiger are ruthless and may appear like maniacs, but I think it is an act to get their own way.

However, I can only see it from the perspective of the Abstracts NP, especially the INTP Eagle. I was thinking of the violent homicidal maniac, the classic definitive one. (I have been attacked by one so I know what they are like!) There is the Cassandra mania which is different, more akin to schizophrenia. The latter is not as dangerous as the former one which contains a psychotic paranoid component.

 

[murkrow]

If INTPs are into maniacs I'm going to stop exercising any level of self control.

 

[Dissident]

The girls must be flattered

 

[Kidege]

Oh, you mean you were exerting self-control?

 

[Ogion]

Hm, actually i suppose murkrow to really have some selfcontrol, being an xxxJ. Don't they like everything to be in order and follow procedure?Why stop at your own actions?

But murkrow, there are so much more girls not being a INTP, so i'd think you should develop methods designed for them (like probably guardians or so; they are quite numerous...). No?

Ogion