INTP'S creativity

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Can INTP'S be inventors or architects of music or art. make good musicians/composers?

although we want everything answered can we succeed leaving music and art esoteric and to be interpretted

 

[Jules]

I don't think it matters what you make; it will always be interpreted differently

 

[sagewolf]

I agree with that. No matter what you try to communicate through art, someone else will see it differently, and no matter how true you felt the meaning or purpose you put into the piece was, the meaning that someone else takes from it will be just as true and important. It will just be their version of the truth in the piece. Once it's been seen by other people, its meaning becomes subjective, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Even if you find a way to explain in the work itself what its purpose is, someone will take that, possibly, as a comment on the prevalence of the perception that all art has a inherent meaning.

You can imbue artwork with symbolism, which would go towards achieving what you spoke of, but it will still be quite subjective. A symbolic painting I saw recently depicted a girl sitting at a train station as symbolic of the uncertainty of hope: she was waiting for the train, but it hadn't come yet and she'd been waiting a while (there were things in the painting to indicate this). I took it to be a comment on youth-- starting out on life's journey-- and the optimism that often accompanies that. Art is tricky, but that's why I like it so much.

On your first question, I sue hope INTP's can be good artists. Otherwise I'm going to be a very hungry animator.

 

[Luzian]

I don't think it matters what you make; it will always be interpreted differently

The concept of multiple perspectives does not necessarily invalidate the importance of one's creation. Only if perspectives were evenly distributed amongst the human population, would your statement ("I don't think it matters what you make") be true. How else could there be art and music more popular than others?

 

[sagewolf]

So... Hmmm. Does that mean that more popular views are more likely to come across in artistic work because they are more prevalent and more likely to be expressed, or that certain views are more likely to be taken from those works by people because they are more prevalent among those people? Hmmm (again-- I like 'hmmm'-ing). A subtle distinction, I know, but... I find it interesting. Thanks, Luzian-- I never would have thought of that otherwise. (It's probably a combination of both, but I need to think...)

 

[Ermine]

Certainly. INTPs are architects, be it in computer systems, architecture, whatever they do.

In my experience as an artist, my art is seldom perceived like I perceive it, but I don't mind. Art is meant to be analyzed, and it's interesting and fun to see how others interpret my work.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i hope to be a musician and was just curious as to whether intps are a creative bunch and allow logic to take a back seat sometimes. i can be very spontaneous but also very calculated. i like to calculate where and how i will be spontaneous

 

[GarmGarf]

I define creativity as "the fluency and originality of mental composition", and not just limited to art/music.

In fact, according to my definition, one can compose a piece of art and use no creativity at all: by drawing what they see (they are just using their dexterity, perception and drawing skill).


Anyway, the mechanics of music are a system!

 

[Vegard Pompey]

INTPs are unable to create art because we give up on all our projects.

 

[Jordan~]

I occasionally spill out a little poetry. It's like creativity builds up in me until it overflows, and I tap out a poem. I can't do it at will, it just materialises now and then. My creativity more often takes the form of suggesting reasons for why something might be the case, i.e., theorising.

 

[lucazin]

I'm usually singing some song in my mental arena (I stoled it from someone) and have some quick flows of creativity and create something and it sounds good enough to with a little arrangement be something near music. Meanwhile, I've never write something near what I create in my moments of creativity because I don't have a pencil and a paper with me or I'm so outside me with music in my head that I don't think writing it and it's forgotten after...

I'm think the INTPs are highly creative with music, but, as we're very spontaneously, we're better in improvisation...

 

[sagewolf]

I get those little flashes too: I'll just have a thought out of nowhere. Mind you, it's not music, it's an idea for a drawing or a story, so I can just get out a piece of paper or foolscap, or, (if I'm at home) turn on the computer and start getting whatever's in my head down without much hassle. I've learned to do this no matter what I'm doing at the moment: there are sketches like this in the margins of all my school notebooks and I've spent exam time writing down a snippet of a story. Even if it's three a.m. and I have a good idea, I get up and get it down or else it'll be lost into the ether forever.

More often my creative process resembles chipping away at a huge block of stone because you know there's a gemstone in there. I know it's in there somewhere, but I can't just find it... I dunno if I've ever actually unearthed that gem, but practice is the thing.

Have you thought of humming or singing it into a microphone, lucazin? If you have one on a mobile phone, even, it would be a good, spontaneous way to get it down. (My phone has a mic and my phone is old, so I bet you have one...) If not, i guess you could get a fairly cheap old tape recorder or the likes of one on eBay or somewhere like that.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, but yeah, I don't in the least think creativity is limited to art (the inverse, actually: I think art is defined by and born of creativity). I get told a lot that I have a different way of looking at things to other people, and in a mock group interview I did with my TY class, part of my feedback was that while I needed to work on saying more (read: ANYTHING ), everything I had said stood out as being novel and interesting in comparison to what the others said. I hadn't noticed at all, so I guess I'm creative in ways I don't even know about.

 

[Perseus]

I agree with that. No matter what you try to communicate through art, someone else will see it differently, and no matter how true you felt the meaning or purpose you put into the piece was, the meaning that someone else takes from it will be just as true and important. It will just be their version of the truth in the piece. Once it's been seen by other people, its meaning becomes subjective, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Even if you find a way to explain in the work itself what its purpose is, someone will take that, possibly, as a comment on the prevalence of the perception that all art has a inherent meaning.

You can imbue artwork with symbolism, which would go towards achieving what you spoke of, but it will still be quite subjective. A symbolic painting I saw recently depicted a girl sitting at a train station as symbolic of the uncertainty of hope: she was waiting for the train, but it hadn't come yet and she'd been waiting a while (there were things in the painting to indicate this). I took it to be a comment on youth-- starting out on life's journey-- and the optimism that often accompanies that. Art is tricky, but that's why I like it so much.

On your first question, I sue hope INTP's can be good artists. Otherwise I'm going to be a very hungry animator.

That's the idea of art, multiple entendre, multiple different meanings condenced in the form chosen, even if it just animal names for humans woven into stories.

 

[sagewolf]

Yes, but sometimes you're not aware of all the different meanings that find their way into the work. I've found symbolism in stories by other people and they just said "Huh?" when I mentioned it. But it came out. The creative subconscious at work... Just stick something in and it looks nice. You learn to trust that gut instinct. Eventually you learn to decode it.

The subjectivity of art is what I love about it. Odd for a T, I know, but maybe it's the Ne that takes charge here. I love digging and digging to find what I think a piece means only for someone else to say something else, and that might ring just as true, even though I didn't see it. I love that.