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I think Blar's point was more to do with the fact that whether or not I know mafia theory currently doesn't make much difference when it comes to modding the forum and if it does I'll pick it up soon enough.

The RPG thing was just to demonstrate that I'm unlikely to just sit around knowing nothing about mafia and ruining everyone's games since I've already successfully hosted and organized games with forum members in the past.
 

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I don't know which RPG's Blar has been playing, since mafia is on a whole different level of interpersonal complexity IMO.
It doesn't depend on a specific system you choose. You could setup a game of double-crossing using the most limited or expansive rulesets. I think a part of it comes from your restricted experience as you've likely never played competitive or mafioso scenarios and those are available. Based on my exposure those are difficult to pull off, because the GM has a greater role to play in them than usual. Sometimes two or more GM's are active to make it possible. Some LARP events are competitive or diplomatic in a very similarly subversive way.
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I think Blar's point was more to do with the fact that whether or not I know mafia theory currently doesn't make much difference when it comes to modding the forum and if it does I'll pick it up soon enough.
Pretty much this.
Jenny said:
tldr - it looks like people are defining persona differently.
I don't think one has to define a persona at all to make a case that any game with distinct roles, including predefined ones and a reasonable amount of social interaction falls into rpg category. I know many rpg players who never roleplay, they tend to stick to their original personality and rely on physical attributes or fancy codes of honor to pretend they are different, such games aren't necessarily worse, I don't expect them to change and I don't always change myself.
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IDK if this is part of RPGs or not, never been one for pretend myself. My thoughts are unrealistic enough without me acting out fantasy. I just feel unnatural playing pretend so explicitly. I suppose that makes me a square.. oh well.
I've met with similar opinions from players, a successful rpg banks on the ability of its participants to relax and ease into the situation they've had described. It doesn't bring fun, imagination or comfort to everyone equally.
 

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As someone who becomes another person, as in, if mafia doesn't give a flying care if I mislead you or not. Or, as town, trolls the thread, just for my amusement, and mildly put in things here and there.

I would classified it as a RPG.

However, What I think is useless.

A RPG Game is def. as so:
A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.

So, lets go by it one set at a time.

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is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting.

While this is change from game to game (flavor/roles/etc.), we can find that, when looking for the def. for mafia, that this is present in the game maker's idea for the game.

Mafia, also known as Werewolf, is a party game created in the USSR by Dmitry Davidoff in 1986[2] modelling a conflict between an informed minority, the mafia, and an uninformed majority, the innocents.

Here, we can see, that the game was design for players to assume the roles of a "Informed Minority" and a "uninformed majority" This means, players are indeed becoming the Roles of these said parties. As for the fictional setting, we can very likely assume that this was fictional, in the sense that the author (who lived in the USSR) did not model it after lets say, the USSR (lol).

And even if he did, that is the same as me modeling a Dnd story off of WW2. Or any fictional novel based off of a event in time or history etc.

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Players take responsibility for acting out these roles

Very easy to prove,

At the start of the game, each player is secretly assigned a role affiliated with one of these teams. The game has two alternating phases: night, during which the mafia may covertly "murder" an innocent, and day, in which surviving players debate the identities of the mafia and vote to eliminate a suspect.

The Bold all show the fact that the game participants are indeed have to play the game according to there roles.
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within a narrative,

I do not think I need to explain this one ^^.

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either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.

Again, let's compare it to the mafia def.

"...and day, in which surviving players debate the identities of the mafia and vote to eliminate a suspect."

It uses a word called debate, which, according to def.

"a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward."

Not only that, but mafia players HAVE to act townie (or suppose to anyways) to achieve their goal, basically by acting.

In mafia, you develop via the means of:

A) Your reads, based on other people actions etc. They all start at null, and then they develop with you, as you play.
B) Reads on you, starts as Null, then, depending on what you do/act, can change.

And a bunch of other stuff that I am too lazy to write out.
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TLDR:

When you compare the def. of mafia, def. of RPG games, you see that there are many RPG themes in the game. Therefore, making the game a RPG.

Hope this helps!
 

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Also, In terms of Other hosting/mods/etc.

Like I said in the last game, If need be, I can host/mod games, as I have experience (2 games hosts, 2 and 1/2 games cohosted) with setting up and modding these types of games.

And While I am def. not a vet of INTP Forums, I am (scarcely) a Vet of mafia. So i can be signed up on the Grand list or what not.

Just note, that right now is not a great time to honestly be hosting a game on my end (cohosting is fine, as long as I do not have to manage flips) due to the season. Fall/later I can pick up if needed,


EDIT: I miss read some of the last page, anyways, I actually want to compare DND to Mafia now.

Comparing DnD and Mafia hmmmmm.

I've been DM a few times In my life (teen years mostly, did play again actually IR a few days ago) and can decently run a game. F I had to say, from a hosting standpoint, DnD has much more mod decisions then Mafia.
 

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Two unforeseen events, involving biology and pyramids, have occurred, events that require appropriate actions from me. The fate of the galaxy does not hang in the balance, which I find to be quite a mundane state of affairs.

I am already engaged in one mafia game, as stated before, so I do not feel keen to divest even more energy into this one at this point in time.

/out
 

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Two unforeseen events, involving biology and pyramids, have occurred, events that require appropriate actions from me. The fate of the galaxy does not hang in the balance, which I find to be quite a mundane state of affairs.

I am already engaged in one mafia game, as stated before, so I do not feel keen to divest even more energy into this one at this point in time.

/out

Woah woah woah woah, Biology....Pyramids?
BioLamids?
Aliinds?
Aliends?
Aliens?

Plus, Fate of galaxy....

Rook is Bon Jovi!
wait....
Rook is a Alien!
 

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Rook is a Alien!
It may come as a surprise, but fear not, Rook is a very cuddly specimen.

...besides, aliens are people too, there's no need to discriminate.
Rook said:
Two unforeseen events, involving biology and pyramids, have occurred
Unannounced pyramids happen to the best of us.
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*Nudges*Hey, do you know when they are rotating me back to the home planet?
 

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Well,,, please feel free to kick me if you want to do a 9 player game.
 

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i would play but tldr
 

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I've heard interest from some people but some people haven't joined yet.
 

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With Rook gone need 2 to join.

:^)

Yeah I'd probably agree with Spacedog that DM'ing for D&D is much more involved/difficult. In Mafia you have maybe 6-7 players with one ability per night, over a 24 hour period.

In D&D you have 6-7 players with multiple abilities and their particular interactions over a period of 5-10 minutes and you need to be present and actively improvise as the players play (because they always find a way to break the narrative, but they should never be aware of it).

Mafia largely takes care of itself.
 

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I'm going to drop out as I'm only getting busier lately. Something to do with pyramids.... So if you just modkill someone you can start with 9 :P
 

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You might get more interest if you/QT host a few more really simple games first. I wanted to join - regretted watching the last 2 games go by - but am sick and about to get very busy, and the number of possible power roles you're suggesting makes the wifom too overwhelming. You might be introducing too many variables for the amount of time and effort the average person is willing to invest. (Or you could run a 9-player game.)

Ideally we'd have at least one vanilla game running alongside whatever fancier ones people are interested in. But we probably don't have the numbers for that yet.

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I'll join if the game is simpler.
 

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If people are okay with a 9-player game, I'll remove Reluctantly since he volunteered.

Y/N?

@Helvete: can I keep you as replacement?

cheese said:
You might get more interest if you/QT host a few more really simple games first. I wanted to join - regretted watching the last 2 games go by - but am sick and about to get very busy, and the number of possible power roles you're suggesting makes the wifom too overwhelming. You might be introducing too many variables for the amount of time and effort the average person is willing to invest. (Or you could run a 9-player game.)

Ideally we'd have at least one vanilla game running alongside whatever fancier ones people are interested in. But we probably don't have the numbers for that yet.

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I'll join if the game is simpler.

I think people are overreacting to the potential possibilities, but if this is going to be a 9-player game then I have no problem using the Matrix6 setup which is custom-designed for newbie-games...you can't get much simpler.

The other option is that I just run a super basic game where we just have town with one cop. Then everyone's basically vanilla.
 

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I've already explained my preference for simpler games via skype :)

This'll likely be my last game for a while. I'm missing out on one of QT's games, and with uni leering over me I find it unlikely I'll have the time to commit to another until Octoberish.
 

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Okay, role PMs are going out soon. Game will be 9 players with 7 town and 2 mafia utilizing the Matrix6 setup.

48 hour days and 24 hour nights. Game will begin once 8/9 have confirmed.
 

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Role PMs are all sent.

Game thread is here. Day will start and thread will unlock when 8/9 have confirmed.
 

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Cheers :)
 

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Spectator link?
 

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Ahh but what if you need to replace!

Also I don't see any rules about languages other than English in the thread. :twisteddevil:
 

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Game hasn't started yet. Might not go ahead or we may need replacements so rather not send out Spectator QT just yet. I'll PM once game starts :^)
 

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I'm the most best.

Timezones make it hard I guess. 6/9 confirmed, want two more before I start at least.
 

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I'm off to bed now. I'll check in tomorrow.

NN xoxoxoxoxooxxox
 

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I'll check if any of my friends want to join as backup. (Yes, this is when I pretend to have friends, plural)
 

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Come on people. I'm bored, and free.
 

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9/9 confirmed, unlocking game thread momentarily.
 

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Yeah, a bunch of us are waiting for that.
 

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Spec thread has been 50Cent.
 

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Just wondering if anyone's interested in being potential replacement, in case someone needs to leave game.

Let me know :^)
 

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I might be interested in playing in some of the future games, but....I have no idea how this game is supposed to be played, nor much of anything else about it, really. The gameplay threads are confusing and chaotic.
 

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I'd say as long as you're attentive it's great to have you on board. You will learn as time progresses and the only real goal is to have fun.

For lack of a better link here's a newbie guide to show what the fuss is about.
 

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Goddammit Jenny come hold my hand through the wifom! :mad:
 

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I might be interested in playing in some of the future games, but....I have no idea how this game is supposed to be played, nor much of anything else about it, really. The gameplay threads are confusing and chaotic.

Next game setup will be simpler. It's pretty straightforward. If Town, you try to kill the people who are killing you.

If Mafia, you try to kill everyone off before you get killed.
 

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I'd say as long as you're attentive it's great to have you on board. You will learn as time progresses and the only real goal is to have fun.

For lack of a better link here's a newbie guide to show what the fuss is about.

So only the Mafia get to confer and coordinate with one another? Isn't that unfair?


Next game setup will be simpler. It's pretty straightforward. If Town, you try to kill the people who are killing you.

If Mafia, you try to kill everyone off before you get killed.

Alright, I'm game. Hope I don't require too much hand holding. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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spectator thread, please!
 

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Just to make sure the site issues are widespread right? Would it be end of month data usage if it's just slow though? I would have thought it would just drop out suddenly when it ran out.

Edit, Hmm nvm it seems to have gone now. Maybe everyone was just refreshing that thread too much. :P
 

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So only the Mafia get to confer and coordinate with one another? Isn't that unfair?

They do, but they're also vastly outnumbered. The game start with about 3.5x more Town than Mafia.

The current game started with 2mafia and 7town. So it's basically an informed minority vs. an uninformed majority. The majority's job is to try and figure out who's deceiving them and the minority's job is to direct the majority to misapplying their power.

Also some people have joined the game with literally zero understand or experience beforehand and they do fine so, you'll be fine :D
 

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ummm...you can put me as a replacement. This is also an interesting game. I'd like to say more, but I guess I shouldn't.
 

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Okay, that's a few people lined up for replacement. I'll send out a PM to you guys if one is needed. Much appreciated :^)
 

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Well, that turned into a shit storm. It made for some very entertaining reading over my morning coffee.

Hado: "I'm blue!"
Me: "DAFUQ, U SHAKY BRAH"
Everyone: "Omfg PMJ, you're so retarded"
Me:
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Haha. Hado's a funny player; he says things that seem so sketchy, but then he's town anyway. I think if I was playing, based on the previous two games, I would have suggested not voting him at first to wait and see if he drops his veil. If not and he's still alive in a later round, then it's probably a better bet that he actually is mafia.
 

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Yeah, I actually really like playing with Hado (>_>) but christ he's hard to read.

Then again, so am I apparently. Even in RL people tell me I'm impossible to read for the most part. I think it translates across to this forum because of the disparity in functions, which I have touched upon before. Briefly: I'm largely playing alongside Ti and Ne, which (obviously) looks very different to Ni Te. These guys are forming their own facts based on an internal logical framework (totally alien to me; I don't get to see it) and seeing multiple possibilities / switching constantly due to constant generation of insights via Ne. Expansive. Meanwhile, I'm standing back looking at things as objectively as possible / wondering HOW THE FUCK everyone got 'up there', because here on the ground things look very different, and I'm ever converging on what I perceive to be 'the one great truth'. Or at least, that which makes most sense.

Also, what are INTJs known for? Stubbornness; single-mindedness once locked on to a target.

This works very well in the real world, as I have more and more accurate data to work with... but here? Sometimes it falls flat.

I'm enjoying it very much, but yeah. I think a lot of the heat I get is simply due to different brain wiring.

p.s. to all those playing - watch out. My bat is out, and I'm going to be swinging like a possessed cunt during the next round. Fair warning: duck and cover.
 

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Well, that turned into a shit storm. It made for some very entertaining reading over my morning coffee.

Hado: "I'm blue!"
Me: "DAFUQ, U SHAKY BRAH"
Everyone: "Omfg PMJ, you're so retarded"
Me:
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Haha. Hado's a funny player; he says things that seem so sketchy, but then he's town anyway. I think if I was playing, based on the previous two games, I would have suggested not voting him at first to wait and see if he drops his veil. If not and he's still alive in a later round, then it's probably a better bet that he actually is mafia.

Yeah, I actually really like playing with Hado (>_>) but christ he's hard to read.

Then again, so am I apparently. Even in RL people tell me I'm impossible to read for the most part. I think it translates across to this forum because of the disparity in functions, which I have touched upon before. Briefly: I'm largely playing alongside Ti and Ne, which (obviously) looks very different to Ni Te. These guys are forming their own facts based on an internal logical framework (totally alien to me; I don't get to see it) and seeing multiple possibilities / switching constantly due to constant generation of insights via Ne. Expansive. Meanwhile, I'm standing back looking at things as objectively as possible / wondering HOW THE FUCK everyone got 'up there', because here on the ground things look very different, and I'm ever converging on what I perceive to be 'the one great truth'. Or at least, that which makes most sense.

Also, what are INTJs known for? Stubbornness; single-mindedness once locked on to a target.

This works very well in the real world, as I have more and more accurate data to work with... but here? Sometimes it falls flat.

I'm enjoying it very much, but yeah. I think a lot of the heat I get is simply due to different brain wiring.

p.s. to all those playing - watch out. My bat is out, and I'm going to be swinging like a possessed cunt during the next round. Fair warning: duck and cover.

Stop talking about the game outside of thread.
 

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I'd really like to not have to modkill people on the basis of them talking outside of the thread, but it's pretty explicitly stated that you're not to talk about the game outside of the game while it's still in progress.

"- gossiping - don't talk about the game outside the game, anywhere. Any time. Ever. If you do it, you're modkilled. Don't even hint at it. Last game actually had someone slip outside of game that their role (after being replaced) was town. It sucks for the game overall"

Stop. Next person to do it is mod-killed. Just don't.
 
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