INTPf Mafia #3: Do you even rift?

[The Gopher]

Yeah, this only really applies to people who "came from" TL, the land of the over poster. Which is you me and maybe Spacedog. If I could I would lurk the entire first day and a half then kick into overdrive for the rest of the game.

I'm actually surprised you're posting so much I thought you intended to slow down as well. Did you change your mind (if so why) or are you just doing the standard conversation starter gig?

 

[Hadoblado]

I'm still planning on playing a smaller part. ATM I'm playing conversation starter.

The extent of my deliberate adjustments so far is that I've been channeling my energy into asking questions rather than making accusations. It's also very difficult for me not to hawk the thread, so you deliberately walking away from your computer is very understandable to me.

I don't consider what I'm doing now to be actual activity. I know that actual activity by me tends to land town deep into shit when its this early. Rather, I'm just trying to make everyone feel comfortable posting. I've only got one real scheme going on atm, and it's pretty shallow/straight-forward. I'm all feather-touch over here I swear. I'm picking up pieces to get more going later though.

 

[Hadoblado]

Now you've actually made me think more about it, I think I'll leave the game for a bit and come back on before bed. I want conversation to get rolling, but I also don't want to inflate my filter. In my head I had post content and post mass as distinct, but posting low content doesn't stop my posts from having high mass.

It's pretty tricky because I've actually been super disengaged lately, and wanted something like this to throw myself at. But that behaviour really is unhealthy.

So ummm... I hope everyone feels good posting and testing the waters etc., err... The expectation for your contribution is not super high, but it is to town's benefit if you come in and say hello, maybe scrabble around a bit with your best read? Both myself and Gopher are holding back on our contribution a little, but we are not good models to follow. If unrestrained with time to spare, we tend to dominate the game (and not in a good way). It's unlikely you'll find yourself with the same issue. I hope to talk to you later tonight. I'm aiming to get on at 10pm (6 hours from now).

 

[QuickTwist]

When you come back:

To be clear, you think that that's good for people who overpost right? You, maybe me, possibly others if their style turns out to be overly-prolific. You're not advocating that everyone cuts their activity right? As in, nobody can point to your post and say "see here? gopher told me to do nothing".

PMJ, what do you think of Gopher's decision to opt out of posting?

Blarraun, what do you think about QT setting himself up so that he can't have logic applied to him?

Spacedog, what do you think of Yellow's aggression that she displays while also explicitly soft-balling it by reiterating her lack of certainty?

Seteleechete, what do you think about the fact that all I've done is sit here directing traffic, without really pointing any fingers?

This is not exactly a correct representation of what I said about myself. I prolly didn't say it the right way, but I know I have said it elsewhere while hosting and that point is that it is best to read the player and not necessarily have a set way of reading everyone. Its much the same as Poker in that you read the cards through the player and not the cards through optimal play necessarily, but ofc optimal play does have something to do with it. You just have to figure out what the player considers optimal play.

@QT
I'm not saying that you should provide links to the other three games you're playing right now. I am explicitly not asking for them. Nobody can say I'm doing different.

But if you were to arrive at the conclusion that voluntarily providing those games of your own volition would make it easier on town's overworked collective amygdala, I wouldn't hold it against you.

I play as LicketyQuickety on MafiaScum and QuickTwist on PerC. I'll let you figure out the rest from there.

I'm still planning on playing a smaller part. ATM I'm playing conversation starter.

The extent of my deliberate adjustments so far is that I've been channeling my energy into asking questions rather than making accusations. It's also very difficult for me not to hawk the thread, so you deliberately walking away from your computer is very understandable to me.

I don't consider what I'm doing now to be actual activity. I know that actual activity by me tends to land town deep into shit when its this early. Rather, I'm just trying to make everyone feel comfortable posting. I've only got one real scheme going on atm, and it's pretty shallow/straight-forward. I'm all feather-touch over here I swear. I'm picking up pieces to get more going later though.

I do expect you to be making some stances on people. That is just part of the game. That said, I will be suspicious of you if you start to confirmation bias on people since I expect you to learn from your past mistakes.



New Topic:

I feel like Yellow defended their point just fine in making sure to always have a vote on someone. Unfortunately, in this game pleas to get people to play a certain way rarely works out. Their quick stance on Sinny is noted and I will be watching both more closely and keeping tabs on when/if yellow takes their vote off of Sinny.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Last game you were all town. Town lost -> learning experience. What lessons did you learn? What adjustments did you make that you'd like to apply to this game?

I think I will have to understand just how much of my certainty is useful to act on and how much doesn't bring results.

I'm going to oppose any lynch on you day one unless you're really blatantly scummy or lurk. The intention behind this amnesty is to give you room to breathe while you find your feet. So jump in, make a mess, try to be right even though you'll probably be wrong. The experienced players here are observing you and they know you're new. So long as you're having a go they should leave you alone too.

Sure, though I doubt you could call anyone 'experienced' after only 2 games, it's a large system and it takes a while to adjust to. Maybe 2 games is enough to improve their play or maybe their actions still have a random distribution of loss and gain.

When people pointlessly reaffirm their townliness, what kind of sign is that? It seems so redundant to me, but people keep on doing it and I'm not sure why.

It does make sense in the context of a face-to-face game, where all players can observe each other's reactions and the way they deny certain things. Maybe this applies to play by forum, though I doubt the effect is noticeable, unless one player knows the other person very well, actually too well.

Btw. what's the origin of SnuggleBass?

Blarraun, what do you think about QT setting himself up so that he can't have logic applied to him?

I get his point about not everyone playing the homo economicus, but it's kind of moot to expect others to give him a pass from providing sound explanations when he's under suspicion. When he is questioned he will have to play along and be rational when it's required of him. I don't make much of it so far, I don't think he's implying he can't be logical.

I appreciate your activity Hado, if it weren't for your posts I would have little to nothing to write about.

I'm not going to post very actively for a while, I'm in the process of moving to another city, which involves moving to one apartment first and then to another house, so double tedium of moving out here we go. I'm not mad about it, I'm happy to leave this apocalyptic fume and car congested carcass of a landscape behind.

 

[PmjPmj]

Views thus far:

Sinny[ definitely seems like the proverbial bull in a china shop at the moment, but I’m not ready to place a vote on her yet. This is largely because of the easily discernible contrast in her play style between this game (already) and the last. During the latter, she was quite reserved and nonchalant, whereas in this one she’s far more transparent (paraphrasing: “I’m town; I don’t know the rules”) and she’s also pushing back against her accusers with greater force (tongue in cheek I’m sure, but “Fuck you” is a big step up from the last game). I see my own previous town play (not so much here, but elsewhere) within her. She lacks finesse sure, but I don’t think she’s done anything to warrant a vote just yet.

She could be changing her style up to obfuscate her true role, sure. Again, in my mind nothing warrants further suspicion at this point.

That she has potentially opened herself up to scrutiny so early on may be telling of more than just her role, though. It’s interesting (interesting - I’m not FOSing quite yet) that Yellow and Habbolabodingdong are so quick to jump on her.

- Maybe they simply want to apply pressure / foster conversation; perfectly acceptable

- It’s a good way to get in a cheeky ‘whoops, shit - wrong guy! Sorry, everyone!’ day 1 lynch (especially as they have knowledge that Sinny is busy and has RL stuff going on at the moment, thus potentially making her the ‘weak’ member of the pack so they can target her / chase her down - speculative)

Habdodoolah is playing exactly like he did last game (LOL at your feeble attempt to tone it down). I feel completely neutral about this. I got the guy totally wrong last time, and shan’t be jumping to any rash conclusions here.

QT has also claimed town. The guy is obviously far better versed in this game than a lot of us, and so he has my interest piqued. I’d like to see what he comes up with as we get closer to the night, and will be watching him closely - if only to learn a few tips regarding playstyles, which will only become obvious retrospectively but hey ho.

PMJ, what do you think of Gopher's decision to opt out of posting?

Very little, at the moment. Gopher went batshit crazy last game. I think it makes sense for quite a few of us to calm it down a bit. I think it’s wiser to think on our posts more carefully, and ensure that we’ve said everything we have to say at that moment, rather than keep adding subsequent shitpposts immediately afterwards. It’s irritating, frankly. I hope and pray that this game will see more concise contributions, rather than reams upon reams of shite which offer very little and only serve to further convolute discourse. Fact: I fucking drowned in the ‘You vs Gopher’ of last game. The mafia must have been thanking their lucky stars. You made it so very easy for them.

I’m not saying ‘don’t contribute as much’ (quite the contrary) I’m just saying ‘make sure you’ve summed everything up / got everything out there’ before you hit post.

As for myself:

- I noted previously that my style of play would be more laid back this time. I now see that day one can be quite telling, and I look forward to having more content to scrutinise.

- As per last game, I do not trust anybody. Attempt to sidle up to me and you’ll only feel heat. A fair warning, I feel.

- I encourage people to question me and ask me to clarify, because there’s bound to be unintentional ambiguity / lack of coherence in my posts today, as I’m on day three of very little sleep and I’m also full of a cold. In other words, I’m dead on my arse. Just be mindful that on top of that, I'm still busy in RL. Considered responses will come, but they may take time.

 

[Seteleechete]

Right, well.. I've drawn Townie.

Is it as simple as two goons and 7 Vanilla.. Or are we kept in the dark regarding the power role options outlined in Matrix6?

This kind of audaciousness and bluntness is far more in line what I would expect from Sinny if she was townie, then again it could be a trick to make us believe so and defend her on that obvious basis but that's somewhat weak reasoning and it's certainly enough for me to preferably not vote for her on day 1.

@Seteleechete, Blar, Yellow (though apparently Yellow needs no pep talk)
I'm going to oppose any lynch on you day one unless you're really blatantly scummy or lurk. The intention behind this amnesty is to give you room to breathe while you find your feet. So jump in, make a mess, try to be right even though you'll probably be wrong. The experienced players here are observing you and they know you're new. So long as you're having a go they should leave you alone too.

Idk about that, seems like the standard technique of placation and "bringing" us to your side by way of being friendly. It does nothing but raise red flags in my eyes. The controlling part is standard for you but honestly, you also seems a bit too defensive in general for my liking and read on you.

Seteleechete, what do you think about the fact that all I've done is sit here directing traffic, without really pointing any fingers?

Funny guy, I got to this point after I already started having suspicions. With you being aware of the own deficiencies and that I would probably notice it, it does allay some but not all of my suspicion in this matter(since it's no longer a spontaneous read).

Spoiler

I voted Sinny because she was my best lead at the moment.

I think it's best to always have a vote on someone. Now, I figured this game would start out with RVS, only Sinny decided to make herself a less-than-random target.

Here's how I see it: our first priority is to hunt down mafia members. Our second is to encourage proper scumhunting. Saying "I've drawn townie" right out the gate is either some kind of WIFOM scum tactic, or it's lazy town.

Statistically, online mafia games favor scum because we lack the ability to read facial expressions. In a forum like this, we have the advantage of knowing each other, and possibly gleaning tells, but looking at previous games, scum has to do is play half-assed, and they win be default. Our best chance of winning is a mafia lynch on day 1.

Now, I know the easy counter-argument is that there's nothing to hunt when you're the first poster. But still why announce your supposed role? The follow-up OMGUS vote didn't help. Again, it's either scummy or lazy.

I won't pretend to know for sure that Sinny is scum. I'm not even sure it's beyond 50/50, but I think we need to use our votes, even if we switch them 3 times a day. If she gets her act together, I'll remove the vote from her. If she keeps throwing out scummy behavior, I'll leave it on (obviously, I have to sleep at some point, and I work, so there may be 8-12 hour delays). Either way, scummy or lazy, we all benefit from applying a little pressure on her. She'll either confirm herself town when she shapes up, or she'll confirm herself scum by withdrawing from attention or making a slip/throwing an empty fit.

Also, before anyone asks, the purpose of having a vote on someone at all times is that you're contributing better in a multi-time-zone game. If I go to bed and she keeps throwing scum signs, well, you can all toss on the votes, and I'll help lynch a potential scum in my absence. If not, it'll just be a harmless lone vote when I come back tomorrow, which is no more dangerous than a nonvote. So really, always-on voting is a good idea day 1 (obviously, things change as our town-to-mafia ratios do).

There, a wall of text on page 1.

P.S. Without post-posting-editing, you'll all find how shitty my writing can really be.

Someone who has already realised that playing half-assed is the best way to get you lynched can no longer be protected by it(and yes that includes me). In fact going this ham as an expectation is slightly suspicious I'd say. Particularly when you point it out as a defensive measure. Seems more indicative of a panicky attack than anything else to me.


Overall I don't like how Hado is playing, it's counterproductive towards a town win by first targeting more experienced players and secondly using cheap tricks to win us over while quietly picking off potential real opposition. (I particularly dislike your somewhat non-aggressive and quiet vote for Sinny). Attack a potential town antagonist that can stir things up and build quiet support from Yellow towards your position.

The only real redeeming quality is how it's obvious from previous games that it's something he could do, but he clearly knows that as well.

Hadoblado

 

[Sinny91]

Views thus far:

Sinny definitely seems like the proverbial bull in a china shop at the moment, but I’m not ready to place a vote on her yet. This is largely because of the easily discernible contrast in her play style between this game (already) and the last. During the latter, she was quite reserved and nonchalant, whereas in this one she’s far more transparent (paraphrasing: “I’m town; I don’t know the rules”) and she’s also pushing back against her accusers with greater force (tongue in cheek I’m sure, but “Fuck you” is a big step up from the last game). I see my own previous town play (not so much here, but elsewhere) within her. She lacks finesse sure, but I don’t think she’s done anything to warrant a vote just yet.

Effect I was aiming for.. so.. win.

She could be changing her style up to obfuscate her true role, sure. Again, in my mind nothing warrants further suspicion at this point.

I'm just a Townie who wasn't sure of the rules.

That she has potentially opened herself up to scrutiny so early on may be telling of more than just her role, though. It’s interesting (interesting - I’m not FOSing quite yet) that Yellow and Habbolabodingdong are so quick to jump on her.

I don't know why me asking a bloody question was met like it was met. Nor me declaring my declaring my role, which I'm perfectly free to do. I needed a starting point, so I started at the start.

- Maybe they simply want to apply pressure / foster conversation; perfectly acceptable

Maybe.

REDBARON EDIT: I converted Sinny's orange text to blue to avoid anyone getting confused.

 

[Sinny91]

This kind of audaciousness and bluntness is far more in line what I would expect from Sinny if she was townie, then again it could be a trick to make us believe so and defend her on that obvious basis but that's somewhat weak reasoning and it's certainly enough for me to preferably not vote for her on day 1.

Idk about that, seems like the standard technique of placation and "bringing" us to your side by way of being friendly. It does nothing but raise red flags in my eyes. The controlling part is standard for you but honestly, you also seems a bit too defensive in general for my liking and read on you.

Funny guy, I got to this point after I already started having suspicions. With you being aware of the own deficiencies and that I would probably notice it, it does allay some but not all of my suspicion in this matter(since it's no longer a spontaneous read).


Someone who has already realised that playing half-assed is the best way to get you lynched can no longer be protected by it(and yes that includes me). In fact going this ham as an expectation is slightly suspicious I'd say. Particularly when you point it out as a defensive measure. Seems more indicative of a panicky attack than anything else to me.

Overall I don't like how Hado is playing, it's counterproductive towards a town win by first targeting more experienced players and secondly using cheap tricks to win us over while quietly picking off potential real opposition. (I particularly dislike your somewhat non-aggressive and quiet vote for Sinny). Attack a potential town antagonist that can stir things up and build quiet support from Yellow towards your position.

The only real redeeming quality is how it's obvious from previous games that it's something he could do, but he clearly knows that as well.

Hadoblado

I tend to agree.

The power roles will come out of either one column or one row out of the matrix. That means there will be at least one power role, but there may be as many as 3.

vote Sinny

I voted Sinny because she was my best lead at the moment.

I think it's best to always have a vote on someone. Now, I figured this game would start out with RVS, only Sinny decided to make herself a less-than-random target.

Here's how I see it: our first priority is to hunt down mafia members. Our second is to encourage proper scumhunting. Saying "I've drawn townie" right out the gate is either some kind of WIFOM scum tactic, or it's lazy town.

Statistically, online mafia games favor scum because we lack the ability to read facial expressions. In a forum like this, we have the advantage of knowing each other, and possibly gleaning tells, but looking at previous games, scum has to do is play half-assed, and they win be default. Our best chance of winning is a mafia lynch on day 1.

Now, I know the easy counter-argument is that there's nothing to hunt when you're the first poster. But still why announce your supposed role? The follow-up OMGUS vote didn't help. Again, it's either scummy or lazy.

I won't pretend to know for sure that Sinny is scum. I'm not even sure it's beyond 50/50, but I think we need to use our votes, even if we switch them 3 times a day. If she gets her act together, I'll remove the vote from her. If she keeps throwing out scummy behavior, I'll leave it on (obviously, I have to sleep at some point, and I work, so there may be 8-12 hour delays). Either way, scummy or lazy, we all benefit from applying a little pressure on her. She'll either confirm herself town when she shapes up, or she'll confirm herself scum by withdrawing from attention or making a slip/throwing an empty fit.

Also, before anyone asks, the purpose of having a vote on someone at all times is that you're contributing better in a multi-time-zone game. If I go to bed and she keeps throwing scum signs, well, you can all toss on the votes, and I'll help lynch a potential scum in my absence. If not, it'll just be a harmless lone vote when I come back tomorrow, which is no more dangerous than a nonvote. So really, always-on voting is a good idea day 1 (obviously, things change as our town-to-mafia ratios do).

There, a wall of text on page 1.

P.S. Without post-posting-editing, you'll all find how shitty my writing can really be.

Haha, this is so dodgy..

You cast your vote on me after I had only made one post..

Yet you keep saying "if she continue's to act scummy" ..

Give us a chance, love! Hold your horses!

"She's either scum or lazy Town!".. I have a hard time believing that Yellow would dismiss so many other variables.

Oh, and come on, that was hardly a wall of text.. Did it feel longer than it was?

Jesus Christ, that post was a mess, and I tried to clean it up, too.

tl;dr
-my vote on Sinny isn't crazy certain, but I'm happy leaving it there for now
-I don't think lazy townliness is much better than scumminess
-day 1 voting is good, and helps with our timezone issue

Your use of language peaks my interest.

Also, I don't think you're usually this judgmental.

Probably cast a random vote.

And that would be any more helpful to Town than my opening post?

I don't like this either. Still trying to say you're town by saying you're town. If you're town, then your actions will reflect that. You don't need to repeat "I'm town" over and over. It looks scummy, it's distracting, and it's not helpful.

It's not like you to exaggerate either..

Finally, I want to reiterate that I'm not certain that Sinny's scum. I'm just most comfortable leaving my vote on her for the/my night. Since there are at least 7 townsfolk this round, I don't believe she'll get 5 votes on her between now and tomorrow without more substantial evidence of scumminess.

Well, we know your not certain.. Unless your scum, so what's with the emphasis?

I think Town would do well to keep their eye's on you.

REDBARON EDIT: ORANGE TO BLUE AGAIN

 

[QuickTwist]

Views thus far:

Sinny[ definitely seems like the proverbial bull in a china shop at the moment, but I’m not ready to place a vote on her yet. This is largely because of the easily discernible contrast in her play style between this game (already) and the last. During the latter, she was quite reserved and nonchalant, whereas in this one she’s far more transparent (paraphrasing: “I’m town; I don’t know the rules”) and she’s also pushing back against her accusers with greater force (tongue in cheek I’m sure, but “Fuck you” is a big step up from the last game). I see my own previous town play (not so much here, but elsewhere) within her. She lacks finesse sure, but I don’t think she’s done anything to warrant a vote just yet.

I'm not sure I like you saying this without giving sinny any kind of Townie points or a Town read.

She could be changing her style up to obfuscate her true role, sure. Again, in my mind nothing warrants further suspicion at this point.

IMO, I find it kinda unlikely that Sinny is just faking it. That said, it is still very early in the game and Sinny could have very well rehearsed a mindset that she had in mind before the game started. Its one of the reasons I will be watching if the trend continues with her.

That she has potentially opened herself up to scrutiny so early on may be telling of more than just her role, though. It’s interesting (interesting - I’m not FOSing quite yet) that Yellow and Habbolabodingdong are so quick to jump on her.

A few things here.

A lot of the time Townies are more reckless than Scum. Scum have to plan - have to look the part and with some people (like Sinny) its far easier to throw caution to the wind when they are Town.

Secondly, FoSing is usually done in the case that you already have a vote cast on another person. So its kinda like saying "I think this person is most Sus (with a vote), but I but I also think [player name] is quite Sus so I will FoS them (finger of suspision)"

- Maybe they simply want to apply pressure / foster conversation; perfectly acceptable

I think Sinnys main concern here is establishing that they are Town. She might be doing it to spur on conversation, but I get the feeling that the main objective to establish that she is Town. (Sinny is free to correct me here if I am wrong.)

- It’s a good way to get in a cheeky ‘whoops, shit - wrong guy! Sorry, everyone!’ day 1 lynch (especially as they have knowledge that Sinny is busy and has RL stuff going on at the moment, thus potentially making her the ‘weak’ member of the pack so they can target her / chase her down - speculative)

This is actually one of your better points in this post. There is such a thing as a "derp clear" which is where a Townie will do something out of ignorance and this will result in them basically being cleared of being mafia. Such things like this that come up are if a player says there is only Mafia Night Chat when there is also Day Chat for Mafia. Its likely we won't ever have resolution as to whether Sinny actually didn't even bother to look up the setup and got is wrong or not. It will prolly only be apparent upon Sinnys flip.

Habdodoolah is playing exactly like he did last game (LOL at your feeble attempt to tone it down). I feel completely neutral about this. I got the guy totally wrong last time, and shan’t be jumping to any rash conclusions here.

This is a reasonable observation, but I have actually noticed something a little different in Hado. It seems he is putting on reservation making reads on people so far. It is still early, however. In any case, we should watch for the stances that Hado does take.

QT has also claimed town. The guy is obviously far better versed in this game than a lot of us, and so he has my interest piqued. I’d like to see what he comes up with as we get closer to the night, and will be watching him closely - if only to learn a few tips regarding playstyles, which will only become obvious retrospectively but hey ho.

In all honesty me claiming Town mean pretty much nothing. I was simply indulging Sinny in a slightly sarcastic manner.

I may have experience, but I am not going to say I am some really great player or anything like that. My record is mediocre and my reads are often hit or miss and I don't have the best survivability in all honesty. Sometimes, however, I do make a decent case on someone being Scum and I am right. Sadly it often gets overlooked because people just can't get on board with my reasons.

Very little, at the moment. Gopher went batshit crazy last game. I think it makes sense for quite a few of us to calm it down a bit. I think it’s wiser to think on our posts more carefully, and ensure that we’ve said everything we have to say at that moment, rather than keep adding subsequent shitpposts immediately afterwards. It’s irritating, frankly. I hope and pray that this game will see more concise contributions, rather than reams upon reams of shite which offer very little and only serve to further convolute discourse. Fact: I fucking drowned in the ‘You vs Gopher’ of last game. The mafia must have been thanking their lucky stars. You made it so very easy for them.

This is something that really comes down to how people function. Some players can actually make a point better by double, triple or even quadruple posting. Its best to just allow players to play in a way that comes naturally to them. There is also a 90 sec rule, which should somewhat encourage people to post what they have to more or less at one time.

As far as Gopher goes, he strikes me as the kind of person who not only learns what they can improve, but is prolly pretty good at implementing that change as well. That said, its prolly going to take some time for me to get a decent read on him one way or another.

I’m not saying ‘don’t contribute as much’ (quite the contrary) I’m just saying ‘make sure you’ve summed everything up / got everything out there’ before you hit post.

I think you've made your point pretty clear, although I do find it a bit curious why you go to such lengths to say this specifically when it has already been mentioned elsewhere itt (I think). It seems a little... safe, I guess.

As for myself:

- I noted previously that my style of play would be more laid back this time. I now see that day one can be quite telling, and I look forward to having more content to scrutinise.

- As per last game, I do not trust anybody. Attempt to sidle up to me and you’ll only feel heat. A fair warning, I feel.

- I encourage people to question me and ask me to clarify, because there’s bound to be unintentional ambiguity / lack of coherence in my posts today, as I’m on day three of very little sleep and I’m also full of a cold. In other words, I’m dead on my arse. Just be mindful that on top of that, I'm still busy in RL. Considered responses will come, but they may take time.

This is something of slight concern to me.. especially the first thing. I found you to be almost a little too standoffish last game. I was hoping you would try and be more active this time around.

Not trusting anyone can be just as much as a deterrent as a pro. Reason being is sometimes you are not sure of a read and just have to rely somewhat on a strong Town read you have.

I don't really have any problems with the last thing, but you're not really saying much there.

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All in all its not a bad post, but some things aren't lining up with the way I am seeing them. I don't know that I like you taking most of you time talking about just Sinny here, but again I can see it a bit since Sinny has already been kind of a focal point in the game.

 

[redbaron]

@Sinny, DON'T USE ORANGE FOR ANYTHING, AS PER FIRST RULE

Carry on :^)
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[PmjPmj]

Firstly, “Derp Clear”.

I am so very thankful for you bringing this term to my attention

Onward:

I’m not sure I like you saying this without giving sinny any kind of Townie points or a Town read.

It is perhaps fortunate (or condemning, depending on how you want to spin it) then that after reading Sinny’s previous two posts, I am convinced that she is town. I can’t prove this of course, but I’m willing to put my balls on the line to make this call - and in spite of the fact that I’ve requested others not sidle up to me. I expect no love from Sinny in return, just to be clear on that - I would hope that she remains suspicious, for obvious reasons.

FoSing is usually done in the case that you already have a vote cast on another person. So its kinda like saying "I think this person is most Sus (with a vote), but I but I also think [player name] is quite Sus so I will FoS them (finger of suspision)”

Noted, thanks.

This is a reasonable observation, but I have actually noticed something a little different in Hado. It seems he is putting on reservation making reads on people so far. It is still early, however. In any case, we should watch for the stances that Hado does take.

I can’t lie - I have also noticed a subtle difference. I didn’t indulge it at the time, because we all know what happens when I go full Ni mode early on in a game… but yeah. He seems somehow… shallow? I can’t explain it. I’m watching him for sure, and his early vote on Sinny doesn’t sit well with me.

At the moment, I have no questions to pose - but they will come, later on.

This is something that really comes down to how people function. Some players can actually make a point better by double, triple or even quadruple posting. Its best to just allow players to play in a way that comes naturally to them. There is also a 90 sec rule, which should somewhat encourage people to post what they have to more or less at one time.

I know, I just have a rod up my arse about it because the last game was tremendously difficult for me to keep on top of.

I think you've made your point pretty clear, although I do find it a bit curious why you go to such lengths to say this specifically when it has already been mentioned elsewhere itt (I think). It seems a little... safe, I guess.

I’m just re-iterating that I’m not trying to dictate to others. That didn’t work out so well for me on my previous day one.

This is something of slight concern to me.. especially the first thing. I found you to be almost a little too standoffish last game. I was hoping you would try and be more active this time around.

… and I will be - I’m just trying to manage my propensity to call everyone a cunt / tunnel some poor, unsuspecting soul. For now, at least. Amusingly, my main concern is still around Habidoobip. I hope you can understand my reluctance to pursue this train of thought further so early on day one

 

[Hadoblado]

lol RB scared erryone away.

QT is correct. I'm holding back on quite a bit. Not reads as such, but just being a nasty prick in general. I'm not sure at what point I became a mindless chest-beater but it is my MO, and it's not adaptive on this forum.

Sete's aggression is... kind of unexpected actually. But oh well. I don't know what to make of it. They could be enthusiastic, in which case power to them. Or they could be taking advantage of the fact I've handicapped myself into not retaliating. It doesn't really matter to me (or not a priority atm) since I've stated I won't be attacking nooblers on day one and I'll stick with it.

@Sete
Let me be clear. I have no intention of getting on your good side. It's not how I operate. It would look really bad if I were smarming like that this early. I was signalling more to the players that were in last game than I was to you. I need them to know that I've got reasons for acting differently, since otherwise they'll assume that it's because my alignment has changed. My 'style' is to have everyone suspicious of me, but not so much I get hanged. Recent games on this forum have had me getting hanged as town, so I need to adjust the level at which I grate on people. There are other elements too, such as the way last game exhausted everyone with the constant posts (and aggression begets post mass), but you'll have to take the word of the people who played or read it on that. Defensive? Huh. That's an odd word to use.

@PMJ
Oh you better believe I'm holding back. My jaw has been clenched for the last 6 hours. It feels like I'm wearing a helmet. My shrink refers to it as 'up-regulated'. I think of it as channeling anxiety into aggression. Now I'm having to channel it into aggression then back again. I'm pretty sure I could bench a datson right now.

Also, I'm sidling up to you. I like you man. I want to have your babies. I've seen your pic on the forum and you're aigh't. Who should we hang first bb?

 

[Hadoblado]

Also QT you're more than just an intuition player aren't you? You can be quite articulate and you're prodding in all the right directions. FWIW you seem town to me (outside of a few frustrating elements). The only question is whether you're coming across as town because you're town, or because you're just that much better at scumming than I am at hunting scum.

 

[Hadoblado]

@Blar
SnuggleBass was just an emergency name change. No meaning behind it, and these days I'm worried that it might make me seem creepy TBH. I'm too old to be masquerading around the internet with a cutesy nick name.

When I refer to experienced players, I mean those that played mafia before playing on this forum. Myself, spacedog, gopher, quicktwist. QT has played 30+ games. Not sure how many spacedog has played. Gopher and I have played 7-8? We come from different metas that act sort of as an established point of reference.

I think that you should act with high confidence first, and adjust as you make mistakes. Fucking up won't be held against you nearly as much as the pressure you're likely feeling would have you imagine. ATM I feel as if you're holding back, but I'm not sure.

*Reminder that you should not look favourably upon me for me trying to help you find your feet. It's NOT alignment indicative*

 

[Hadoblado]

Gopher can you please make at least one more contribution before bed? I know we wanted to do less, and I seem to be having a lot more difficulty with it than you, but ATM it feels like you're just able to lurk. I think lurking like this is too far. I'm not calling you out as red or anything, I'm just real nervous about your absence.

 

[Seteleechete]

lol RB scared erryone away.

QT is correct. I'm holding back on quite a bit. Not reads as such, but just being a nasty prick in general. I'm not sure at what point I became a mindless chest-beater but it is my MO, and it's not adaptive on this forum.

Sete's aggression is... kind of unexpected actually. But oh well. I don't know what to make of it. They could be enthusiastic, in which case power to them. Or they could be taking advantage of the fact I've handicapped myself into not retaliating. It doesn't really matter to me (or not a priority atm) since I've stated I won't be attacking nooblers on day one and I'll stick with it.

@Sete
Let me be clear. I have no intention of getting on your good side. It's not how I operate. It would look really bad if I were smarming like that this early. I was signalling more to the players that were in last game than I was to you. I need them to know that I've got reasons for acting differently, since otherwise they'll assume that it's because my alignment has changed. My 'style' is to have everyone suspicious of me, but not so much I get hanged. Recent games on this forum have had me getting hanged as town, so I need to adjust the level at which I grate on people. There are other elements too, such as the way last game exhausted everyone with the constant posts (and aggression begets post mass), but you'll have to take the word of the people who played or read it on that.

Why are you suddenly trying to make less action happen? I get that you want the game to have a calmer pace and that's exactly what I find suspicious about you, you wouldn't be trying to move the town into a certain direction without reason, you are too controlling of a player to do so. (And a calmer game is just about never conductive to town, particularly if everyone here remains lucid enough to not slip up).

Defensive? Huh. That's an odd word to use.

Why? It seems like a perfect word to use in this kinda game. An action can be aggressive to cast suspicion/put pressure on the other person or defensive in order to lessen suspicion on oneself.

For example, this "explanation" is a defensive action to lessen suspicion after you insinuated that the use of that word should cast suspicion on me. Probably more of a test to tell how I would react to it.

Of course in itself it neither proves/disproves anything, mostly the use of such terms is to simplify how someones actions work in relation to expectations if they were playing a certain role. Makes it easier when analysing and explaining things.

(Also, your non-retaliation spiel is bullshit, you are just doing so in a subtle manner instead). Hint at suspicions instead of being in your face like what got you killed the last 2 games, combined with a friendly act that gives a central role to get more instinctive credence to your opinion. Not that this particular bit is particularly suspicious, that kinda makes sense regardless of if you are scum or town.

 

[Yellow]

Your use of language peaks my interest.

Also, I don't think you're usually this judgmental.

True. This is a different context. I'm not judging you as person, I'm judging you as a player in a game where the entire point is to judge players. I get to let loose the reigns, in a manner of speaking.

"She's either scum or lazy Town!".. I have a hard time believing that Yellow would dismiss so many other variables.

Everyone is either scum or town, since RB's matrix doesn't include outside roles. Also, everyone is trying to appear town, the only way we know someone is town is by their actions. You just decided to claim town out the gate. That's lazy play. So... unless you wanna claim a PR (which will still just be town or mafia, and would still be lazy play), you're either scum or lazy town. We've run out of variables.

Effect I was aiming for.. so.. win.

I'm just a Townie who wasn't sure of the rules.

Dammit, woman!

The only way to hop out of the rut is to start scum-hunting. Feel free to start with me, since I'm the biggest bee in your bonnet. At least it'll be some show of effort.

And that would be any more helpful to Town than my opening post?

As a side note, RVS is the first stage of the game, and stands for Random Voting Stage. The point of RVS is to get out of RVS. Your very first post was enough to get us out of RVS. Thank you for jump-starting the game!

Sinny[ definitely seems like the proverbial bull in a china shop at the moment, but I’m not ready to place a vote on her yet. This is largely because of the easily discernible contrast in her play style between this game (already) and the last.

This kind of audaciousness and bluntness is far more in line what I would expect from Sinny if she was townie, then again it could be a trick to make us believe so and defend her on that obvious basis but that's somewhat weak reasoning and it's certainly enough for me to preferably not vote for her on day 1.

You guys do have a good point. This isn't crazy behavior for Sinny. Still, it was a good place to start until I had someone better. I might come back to Sinny later, but for now,

unvote Sinny

*about hado*
Idk about that, seems like the standard technique of placation and "bringing" us to your side by way of being friendly. It does nothing but raise red flags in my eyes. The controlling part is standard for you but honestly, you also seems a bit too defensive in general for my liking and read on you.

*about hado*
Funny guy, I got to this point after I already started having suspicions. With you being aware of the own deficiencies and that I would probably notice it, it does allay some but not all of my suspicion in this matter(since it's no longer a spontaneous read).

Someone who has already realised that playing half-assed is the best way to get you lynched can no longer be protected by it(and yes that includes me). In fact going this ham as an expectation is slightly suspicious I'd say. Particularly when you point it out as a defensive measure. Seems more indicative of a panicky attack than anything else to me.

Overall I don't like how Hado is playing, it's counterproductive towards a town win by first targeting more experienced players and secondly using cheap tricks to win us over while quietly picking off potential real opposition. (I particularly dislike your somewhat non-aggressive and quiet vote for Sinny). Attack a potential town antagonist that can stir things up and build quiet support from Yellow towards your position.

The only real redeeming quality is how it's obvious from previous games that it's something he could do, but he clearly knows that as well.

Hadoblado

This is a reasonable observation, but I have actually noticed something a little different in Hado. It seems he is putting on reservation making reads on people so far. It is still early, however. In any case, we should watch for the stances that Hado does take.

*to Hado*
...some things aren't lining up with the way I am seeing them. I don't know that I like you taking most of you time talking about just Sinny here, but again I can see it a bit since Sinny has already been kind of a focal point in the game.

You are all saying what I was thinking. Sete's argument seems quite decent too.

Sete's aggression is... kind of unexpected actually. But oh well. I don't know what to make of it. They could be enthusiastic, in which case power to them. Or they could be taking advantage of the fact I've handicapped myself into not retaliating. It doesn't really matter to me (or not a priority atm) since I've stated I won't be attacking nooblers on day one and I'll stick with it.

@Sete
Let me be clear. I have no intention of getting on your good side. It's not how I operate. It would look really bad if I were smarming like that this early. I was signalling more to the players that were in last game than I was to you. I need them to know that I've got reasons for acting differently, since otherwise they'll assume that it's because my alignment has changed. My 'style' is to have everyone suspicious of me, but not so much I get hanged. Recent games on this forum have had me getting hanged as town, so I need to adjust the level at which I grate on people. There are other elements too, such as the way last game exhausted everyone with the constant posts (and aggression begets post mass), but you'll have to take the word of the people who played or read it on that. Defensive? Huh. That's an odd word to use.

The awkwardness of this defense worries me some. Sete's was just one vote against you, and it would blow over quickly. It also strikes me as too defensive. I don't get why you're trying to talk so much and contribute so little. You keep saying that Day 1 is so telling. You seem to be trying to get everyone to do a the telling (which I actually appreciate a lot), but you're doing little telling of your own.

Now, you say that you're having anxiety issues, and I believe you, but, that doesn't mean you're town. Just like I believe that Blarraun is moving to a new city, but that doesn't make him town. Just like I believe Gopher when he says that he wants to lurk a little more, but that doesn't make him town. Just like I believe that PMJ is sick, but that doesn't make him town. Just like I have no idea where the fuck Shapelog is, but that doesn't make him town.

Also QT you're more than just an intuition player aren't you? You can be quite articulate and you're prodding in all the right directions. FWIW you seem town to me (outside of a few frustrating elements). The only question is whether you're coming across as town because you're town, or because you're just that much better at scumming than I am at hunting scum.

This is such a strange thing to say too, when you consider everything else you'd said thus far. First, how on earth can anyone be read as town yet? This itself seems like you're trying to placate QuickTwist, even though there's little to placate. (I've run out of finding-quotes-steam, here) Same with your joke about sidling up to PMJ. It was clumsily done. You're trying to make us see you a certain way and simultaneously pretend you're not trying to make us see you a certain way.

I'm also uncomfortable with your pressure on QuickTwist to access his previous games, especially after the mod discouraged it. It's another awkward distraction.

vote Hadoblado

 

[redbaron]

VOTE COUNT
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Hadoblado (2) Yellow, Seteleechete
Yellow (1) Sinny
Sinny (1) Hadoblado

Not voting: Pmj, Shapelog, The Gopher, QuickTwist, Blarraun

DAY ENDS IN ~1 DAY, 10 HOURS, 15 MINUTES

COUNTDOWN TIMER
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[Seteleechete]

That's a pretty panicked response Yellow. You keep acting like that, it makes me suspicious.

The awkwardness of this defense worries me some. Sete's was just one vote against you, and it would blow over quickly. It also strikes me as too defensive. I don't get why you're trying to talk so much and contribute so little. You keep saying that Day 1 is so telling. You seem to be trying to get everyone to do a the telling (which I actually appreciate a lot), but you're doing little telling of your own.

Can't say it was particularly awkward, manipulative and placating but such a response would nevertheless be expected from someone under suspicion, particularly one that seems to hide behind some weird pacifistic agenda. You, on the other hand, seem extremely anxious and shifty, anything to say?

As a side note, RVS is the first stage of the game, and stands for Random Voting Stage. The point of RVS is to get out of RVS. Your very first post was enough to get us out of RVS. Thank you for jump-starting the game!

You keep referencing these official "ways" that the game is supposed to be played on, trying to nearly act them out. As if you are a newbie thrust right into a scum role needing the reassurance of something "official" to stay calm.

Unvote Hadoblado

Vote Yellow

 

[Sinny91]

but we are not good models to follow. If unrestrained with time to spare, we tend to dominate the game (and not in a good way). It's unlikely you'll find yourself with the same issue.

Are you drawing patterns from just the one game, or referring to games which the rest of us aren't privy to?

 

[Shapelog]

A course this started after I got off yesterday *rolls eyes, sips hot tea"

Give me a min, Need to get into my mafia mood.

 

[Shapelog]

Right, well.. I've drawn Townie.

Is it as simple as two goons and 7 Vanilla.. Or are we kept in the dark regarding the power role options outlined in Matrix6?

Nice to see QT and Yellow reacted to the bold, since 2 goons is actually possible.

Pressure vote on Sinny from yellow, OMGUS vote on yellow from sinny. Set up thing gets cleared up (I guess?)

*erased counterproductive statement.*

I'm not sure how important it is to answer that question.

Also...

Yay active townies <3

@Gopher, Sinny, Spacedog, Blar (to some extent)

Last game you were all town. Town lost -> learning experience. What lessons did you learn? What adjustments did you make that you'd like to apply to this game?

@Everyone
Is there anyone you feel comfortable reading? As in, that you think you can confirm town or scum given 1-2 days under the assumption they're reasonably active.

@Seteleechete, Blar, Yellow (though apparently Yellow needs no pep talk)
I'm going to oppose any lynch on you day one unless you're really blatantly scummy or lurk. The intention behind this amnesty is to give you room to breathe while you find your feet. So jump in, make a mess, try to be right even though you'll probably be wrong. The experienced players here are observing you and they know you're new. So long as you're having a go they should leave you alone too.

I have problem with your tone here. Idk what it is, but something here just feels really off.

I would compare it to last game, yet, you died before I got to talk to you. From what I read, I was thinking you were going to be more aggressive then this.

To answer your question, Why do you assume all of us are town? Sinny also was mafia that game so I have no fucking clue what the hell you are trying to say here.

I've learned that PMJ is going to require more to read and yet again, be more paranoid of my TR's.

What did you learn?

 

[Shapelog]

Also, Why the free pass for new members, and why are you putting the notation that experince players shouldn't jump them?

Like i understand them being new to the game, but, Being questioned is something they are going to incounter in every mafia game they ever play? They know, at least they should, that everyone in this game starts out not knowing each other, and that other players are going to interact with them (both good and bad) to gather info on them. So why the hell should they think we should leave them alone?

If any of those 2(3) are mafia, you basically given them a free excuse to defend themselves with what you just stated. if they are town, you basically just deprived them of early game pressure experience.

idk what your goal is here.

 

[Yellow]

That's a pretty panicked response Yellow. You keep acting like that, it makes me suspicious.

Can't say it was particularly awkward, manipulative and placating but such a response would nevertheless be expected from someone under suspicion, particularly one that seems to hide behind some weird pacifistic agenda. You, on the other hand, seem extremely anxious and shifty, anything to say?


You keep referencing these official "ways" that the game is supposed to be played on, trying to nearly act them out. As if you are a newbie thrust right into a scum role needing the reassurance of something "official" to stay calm.

Unvote Hadoblado

Vote Yellow

I've been wary of the town reads I've seen thrown around, but this (combined with the other posts) seems like townish behavior. I'm not saying it's a green card, but I imagine that the scum response would be to keep pushing Hado once you had someone (and possibly more people) agreeing with you.

I still think Hado's a better lead than Sinny at the moment, and I haven't got much else yet, so I'm leaving my vote where it is.

 

[Shapelog]

Well, I want the answer to that question to.



Gathered that by now

I want Yellow and QT to deny their scumminess.

That makes....Absolutely no fucking sense what so ever.

Find X that makes you think they are town, explore X, gather info on X, determine if X is a worthy thing to make them think they are town.

They saying they aren't scum totally means they aren't scum, sure.

Spoiler

I don't like that you apparently knew nothing of the setup before posting in the game.

And I don't like that you told me to tell you what two roles I am.

We are still on the first page. Unless someone slips really badly, its prolly going to be one of the least informative pages in this game.

Disagree, from what I have read so far, there is prob. a huge indicator of scumminess/townieness, like there always is on the first few pages of the game.

The thing is, we have to wait as usual.

@Spacedog, Gopher, QT

I actually don't know what the common perception is for this, but...

When people pointlessly reaffirm their townliness, what kind of sign is that? It seems so redundant to me, but people keep on doing it and I'm not sure why.

I can understand QT's.

I can't understand Sinny's



It's so pointless. Isn't it?

I am only guessing, since we have experience, you are asking us.

It all depends on the context given, and stuff like the tone of it and etc. Townies can do it (Ik i sometimes fall into doing it) if they know they are sus. Mafia can due it to gain passage into town reads, or for a WIFOM/Poor pitiful me defense.

I just usually ignore it. It isn't concrete enough to wave someone as town or scum (unless it is very obv.) I might pressure X person based off of it, to gather more info tho.

Actually, it's a fucking starting point.

I've made a declaration. Seemed to serve me well in my last Town game.

tbh, it really isn't IMO.

Mafia will claim town.
Town will claim town.
Your Granny will claim town.
Trump will claim town.
etc.

IF it helps you, then do so, but It doesn't help me read you at all.

The idea, Mr Bladder.. Is that they answer for themselves. Or not, at their own discretion. My the fuck are you interfering with my line of questioning? I don't encroach on the questioning of others.. so stop fucking encroaching on me.

Spoiler

And I will leave it at that.

Yellow's WOT: Mindset from Yellow Checks out for me. Kinda wish she was more actively going after Sinny (aka posting "What do you mean about X" or what QT/Hablo to a degree was doing)

Hablo's Info post and QT's follow up: QT said most of what I would say, and I think I already stated to someone, that the page will be useful.

Was going to say something about Yellow, but hablo decided to ask the AFk's at the time a question.

When you come back:

To be clear, you think that that's good for people who overpost right? You, maybe me, possibly others if their style turns out to be overly-prolific. You're not advocating that everyone cuts their activity right? As in, nobody can point to your post and say "see here? gopher told me to do nothing".

PMJ, what do you think of Gopher's decision to opt out of posting?

Blarraun, what do you think about QT setting himself up so that he can't have logic applied to him?

Spacedog, what do you think of Yellow's aggression that she displays while also explicitly soft-balling it by reiterating her lack of certainty?

Seteleechete, what do you think about the fact that all I've done is sit here directing traffic, without really pointing any fingers?

I am going to answer all these questions, regardless of who the hell they are meant for. Mostly because I am going to assume I am the last one to answer this (since I saw at least PMJ and Seteleechete names skimming thou page 2)

Gopher's Decision to not post so much is ok. As long as he still does enough things to for me to Read him, I am fine. idk his meta (U do i think) so you will have more info about that. Honestly, as A big filter poster myself, I can understand.

QT, You can apply logic to him tho, and he never said that you couldn't apply logic to him. He stated that he makes contradictions (which I've seen him done) often as town. I, you, anyone can still use logic like, vote count, questions about posts, Vote logic, etc. To read him. Nor does he disagree with using that to read him off of.

Yellow, Yeah that kinda caught my eye as well. Not terribly sure about it yet. Ik she is new, and fenceing/waffleing is a value of newbie mafia. But, her wall of text feels like it came from a townie mindset, and honestly, I've seen newbie townies do what she is doing right now.

You, tbh, you aren't directing much. You have ask questions sure, but you haven't (at least at page 1) done much with the answers. You are proceeding to poke the thread, but an'it yielding anything mostly that comes out of it. You gave newbies a D1 pass (unless strongly scummy) and explained what about Page 1 will be useful.

 

[Sinny91]

That makes....Absolutely no fucking sense what so ever.

Find X that makes you think they are town, explore X, gather info on X, determine if X is a worthy thing to make them think they are town.

What?

Is that anywhere near anything I said?

I think not.

They saying they aren't scum totally means they aren't scum, sure.

I didn't say that either, you fucking eejit.

Yellow's WOT: Mindset from Yellow Checks out for me. Kinda wish she was more actively going after Sinny

Come after me yourself, you pussy hole.

(aka posting "What do you mean about X" or what QT/Hablo to a degree was doing)

Watchu wanna know?

 

[Sinny91]

Yeah, this only really applies to people who "came from" TL, the land of the over poster. Which is you me and maybe Spacedog. If I could I would lurk the entire first day and a half then kick into overdrive for the rest of the game.

I'm actually surprised you're posting so much I thought you intended to slow down as well. Did you change your mind (if so why) or are you just doing the standard conversation starter gig?

How well do you think you can read QuickTwist and Yellow? and what are your current thoughts on them?

 

[Shapelog]

I feel like RB is in the middle of Pleasuring himself, when he posts the VC's

Anyways, moving on.

Yeah, this only really applies to people who "came from" TL, the land of the over poster. Which is you me and maybe Spacedog. If I could I would lurk the entire first day and a half then kick into overdrive for the rest of the game.

I'm actually surprised you're posting so much I thought you intended to slow down as well. Did you change your mind (if so why) or are you just doing the standard conversation starter gig?

One time (my first scum game), 25% of the posts for the game was mine. And there was a 100 pages. So yes, it really applies to TL.

In case people are wondering, This is roughly my 15th or 16th game. 3 scum games, rest town. I also have played over 300 games of TOS, tho, TOS is kinda shitty.

Do what I do, and put a bunch of posts in one post. Condenses your filter, while getting everything out of your mind.

I'm still planning on playing a smaller part. ATM I'm playing conversation starter.

The extent of my deliberate adjustments so far is that I've been channeling my energy into asking questions rather than making accusations. It's also very difficult for me not to hawk the thread, so you deliberately walking away from your computer is very understandable to me.

I don't consider what I'm doing now to be actual activity. I know that actual activity by me tends to land town deep into shit when its this early. Rather, I'm just trying to make everyone feel comfortable posting. I've only got one real scheme going on atm, and it's pretty shallow/straight-forward. I'm all feather-touch over here I swear. I'm picking up pieces to get more going later though.

Alright, i have a major question (that might or might not be answer as I read)

Why did you vote sinny, if your goal is to not make accusations, and, not to be a active pusher?

Even if you pressure voted sinny (which is possible), why on earth are you going to do it, if you don't do anything with it? Starting conversation is important for town yes, but anyone really can do it. Not only that, but it really isn't helping you read anyone (as far as i have read) because you are asking others for ideas.

You can tbh achieve the same idea and atmosphere (which I will admit, is cubical for us, or any town winning a game) by actually pushing your ideas, and attack people. Sure, people might lurk, but people will also lurk, if they do not actually need to be involved in the game.

TLDR of Rant: I do not understand the sinny vote with the mentality of not taking stances, and passive play isn't the only way to get a good town amtosphere. As long as we do not shitfight, OMGUS, BM, or stuff of that nature, townies should be able to have a good amtoshpere.

QT watching Yellow is noted, and via the VC, I should see something out of QT.

Blar:

I appreciate your activity Hado, if it weren't for your posts I would have little to nothing to write about.

Please do not play the "I only respond to questions" game. It bugs me when someone does that.

A bunch of other stuff has happen in the game other then his questions to you. Why/what is stopping you from commenting on it?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

*Reminder that you should not look favourably upon me for me trying to help you find your feet. It's NOT alignment indicative*

I didn't have anything to say in particular, so at least I could answer your questions. I have no favourites, my only favourite was our supervisor teacher but someone murdered hir. I shall hunt every scent of blood and enact my vengeance for denying me the opportunity of confessing my true feelings to hir.

I think that you should act with high confidence first, and adjust as you make mistakes. Fucking up won't be held against you nearly as much as the pressure you're likely feeling would have you imagine. ATM I feel as if you're holding back, but I'm not sure.

It's equally effective. A common theory in games is that higher aggression and risk taking allows better learning of efficiency boundaries, but this strategy assumes continued involvement in the same reproducible conditions, something which often bores me. I might very well choose to carefully asses the situation knowing that I only have this single go to work with, just as I would be careful about any unique set of variables in a game that's not going to repeat, where my failure means complete loss of effort.

Being on the cautious side doesn't have to indicate how aggressive my investigation can be. I didn't announce my playstyle or the limits I'm going to take with my previous statements. I figure as a new player it is to town's advantage that the scum aren't familiar with my style. I have the opportunity to get a feel for everyone else before much of what I'm doing gives them any predictive power to work with.

(I kind of noticed how no one chose to roleplay the field trip scenario and assumed their usual town/scum mindset, not that RB's intro was extensive or creative, despite this I will remember the unfaltering affection for the professor! It compels me to seek justice!)

This talk of pressure... I feel none, were you trying to relax me? Why, what's the point in this, are you moderating how I should act to have me make mistakes? If I fuck up I will die, or someone else will as a result of those actions, or I will distract everyone too much from actual targets, why would you downplay the gravity of the game's objectives? Maybe the rest wouldn't judge me for errors, but the game would be lost anyway. What's with this bias about multiple attempts, I say there is only this game I should care about, not what others would think or what I could learn for my future games were I to play more aggressively right now. This conditioning of intent is rather suspicious, unless you completely forgot what we were doing in this situation and that is to survive.

There's a contradiction, if the new players shouldn't be suspected day one, then why should I be confident of anything? This is the least confident stage of this game and my confidence will only keep increasing with every mistake I make and every thing I learn.

I think we should all be equally under scrutiny, new player or not, were you attempting to deny us the valuable experience of communicating intent and defending ourselves? We need to take hits in order to shape up, trying to act this protectively is counterproductive.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to your explanations behind your sudden adjustments to the playstyle and other questions. You are a suspicious person in my eyes.

 

[Seteleechete]

I've been wary of the town reads I've seen thrown around, but this (combined with the other posts) seems like townish behavior. I'm not saying it's a green card, but I imagine that the scum response would be to keep pushing Hado once you had someone (and possibly more people) agreeing with you.

I still think Hado's a better lead than Sinny at the moment, and I haven't got much else yet, so I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Honestly, don't put too much stock into it, I decided to play exactly this way regardless if I was a scum or town before the game even started. Even this post is a carefully thought out plot to prove my "honesty"(which would play out pretty much the same regardless of alignment).

I am certainly capable and paranoid enough to be able to pull that off. One thing I figured out beforehand is that it really doesn't matter if you are town or scum, the main problem you face is the same regardless.

Also, you cleverly avoided the answering to my accusations by trying to "befriend" me and shifting attention away from them. Still, that's hardly a scum only thing to do.

Now I am trying to comprehend Spacelogs decision to not read everything(or pretending to not do so) before posting... I mean, he even made a drawing and had an hour to do so. He reiterated much of what would be said as well, it might be a trick to throw us off our guard. I have a hard time believing an experienced player would do something like this.

 

[Shapelog]

What?

Is that anywhere near anything I said?

I think not.



I didn't say that either, you fucking eejit.



Come after me yourself, you pussy hole.



Watchu wanna know?

I am saying that asking people to call themselves town is a waste of time IMO, and doing "X..." IMO, would be better. Asking people to call themselves town, for the reason for them to declare it, makes no sense to me what so ever sinny. And I really do not understand the mindset behind it. I also said (but you cut it so w/e) that if it works for you, it works.

I would say there is no need to be offensive about it, but from what I observed from you, and seen you post this game so far, well.....:P

About yellow, What I mean, is that I would like to see Yellow pressure you more, since you were her strongest sus. at the time (since her votes change apparently), and the last thing you quoted, is just a ex. of what I meant. I would gimp her more about it, if it wasn't for how I found her mindset in that post.

As for what I wanna know, I get back to you on that, when i actually finish reading the page.

Alright Susan?

 

[The Gopher]

Gopher can you please make at least one more contribution before bed? I know we wanted to do less, and I seem to be having a lot more difficulty with it than you, but ATM it feels like you're just able to lurk. I think lurking like this is too far. I'm not calling you out as red or anything, I'm just real nervous about your absence.

Oh my god this is awful. I understand your pain now, at first I was out and didn't get it but now... I can't sleep at all and I'm constantly writing down notes. How on earth do lurkers play like this? I do have a very specific reason for not posting until I wake up though which I'll explain when I wake up.

How well do you think you can read QuickTwist and Yellow? and what are your current thoughts on them?

And this will be part of that post don't worry.

Do what I do, and put a bunch of posts in one post. Condenses your filter, while getting everything out of your mind.

Yeah this is what I'm going to do. I think my first town game I went post for post with the entire game. At least it felt like that. Obviously I didn't post half the content but it took me four posts each time to actually explain what I was talking about.

 

[Sinny91]

Oh my god this is awful. I understand your pain now, at first I was out and didn't get it but now... I can't sleep at all and I'm constantly writing down notes. How on earth do lurkers play like this? I do have a very specific reason for not posting until I wake up though which I'll explain when I wake up.

And this will be part of that post don't worry.

Yeah this is what I'm going to do. I think my first town game I went post for post with the entire game. At least it felt like that. Obviously I didn't post half the content but it took me four posts each time to actually explain what I was talking about.

There's not that much content.. You and Spacedog wanna get a move on.

 

[Sinny91]

As it happens, QT and Yellow are my scummiest reads.

I don't like what I perceive to be a dodgy attitude and approach from QT... and .. erm... I have a feeling about Yellow... But I could just be hungry.

 

[Yellow]

Wait, did someone ask me questions that I didn't answer? I'm not a super-meticulous reader (since I read really slowly when it's word-for-word). If there are any questions for me or things I've failed to address, please don't hesitate to point it out or say it again.

 

[Yellow]

I have a feeling about Yellow... But I could just be hungry.

I AM NOT FOOD!

 

[Yellow]

As it happens, QT and Yellow are my scummiest reads.

I don't like what I perceive to be a dodgy attitude and approach from QT.

Also, I'd like to know why you're reading QuickTwist as scummy. Or me for that matter, but I figure it's really just an OMGUS.

Do you have something substantial to present on him?

 

[PmjPmj]

Yes, Spacetwig! Yes! Dude came out swinging his bat. Fucking A.

Guys,

Somebody shit the bed in work today (not me ) which has caused me a lot of unforeseen, additional work. I will attempt to chime in with a productive post either much later this evening (unlikely) or tomorrow morning (likely). I just wanted to ensure that you aren't under the impression that I'm purposefully lurking.

For the record, Spacetwig is (in my mind) green. He's basically me from the last game.

Well done that man. We now have some balls in the fray.

 

[Shapelog]

Views thus far:

Sinny[ definitely seems like the proverbial bull in a china shop at the moment, but I’m not ready to place a vote on her yet. This is largely because of the easily discernible contrast in her play style between this game (already) and the last. During the latter, she was quite reserved and nonchalant, whereas in this one she’s far more transparent (paraphrasing: “I’m town; I don’t know the rules”) and she’s also pushing back against her accusers with greater force (tongue in cheek I’m sure, but “Fuck you” is a big step up from the last game). I see my own previous town play (not so much here, but elsewhere) within her. She lacks finesse sure, but I don’t think she’s done anything to warrant a vote just yet.

She could be changing her style up to obfuscate her true role, sure. Again, in my mind nothing warrants further suspicion at this point.

That she has potentially opened herself up to scrutiny so early on may be telling of more than just her role, though. It’s interesting (interesting - I’m not FOSing quite yet) that Yellow and Habbolabodingdong are so quick to jump on her.

- Maybe they simply want to apply pressure / foster conversation; perfectly acceptable

- It’s a good way to get in a cheeky ‘whoops, shit - wrong guy! Sorry, everyone!’ day 1 lynch (especially as they have knowledge that Sinny is busy and has RL stuff going on at the moment, thus potentially making her the ‘weak’ member of the pack so they can target her / chase her down - speculative)

Habdodoolah is playing exactly like he did last game (LOL at your feeble attempt to tone it down). I feel completely neutral about this. I got the guy totally wrong last time, and shan’t be jumping to any rash conclusions here.

QT has also claimed town. The guy is obviously far better versed in this game than a lot of us, and so he has my interest piqued. I’d like to see what he comes up with as we get closer to the night, and will be watching him closely - if only to learn a few tips regarding playstyles, which will only become obvious retrospectively but hey ho.



Very little, at the moment. Gopher went batshit crazy last game. I think it makes sense for quite a few of us to calm it down a bit. I think it’s wiser to think on our posts more carefully, and ensure that we’ve said everything we have to say at that moment, rather than keep adding subsequent shitpposts immediately afterwards. It’s irritating, frankly. I hope and pray that this game will see more concise contributions, rather than reams upon reams of shite which offer very little and only serve to further convolute discourse. Fact: I fucking drowned in the ‘You vs Gopher’ of last game. The mafia must have been thanking their lucky stars. You made it so very easy for them.

I’m not saying ‘don’t contribute as much’ (quite the contrary) I’m just saying ‘make sure you’ve summed everything up / got everything out there’ before you hit post.

As for myself:

- I noted previously that my style of play would be more laid back this time. I now see that day one can be quite telling, and I look forward to having more content to scrutinise.

- As per last game, I do not trust anybody. Attempt to sidle up to me and you’ll only feel heat. A fair warning, I feel.

- I encourage people to question me and ask me to clarify, because there’s bound to be unintentional ambiguity / lack of coherence in my posts today, as I’m on day three of very little sleep and I’m also full of a cold. In other words, I’m dead on my arse. Just be mindful that on top of that, I'm still busy in RL. Considered responses will come, but they may take time.

Hello PMJ. I got you totally wrong last time.

Anyways, I know it is early in the game, but your reads are pretty wishy-washy. As in, "this makes me think he is town, but this could explain X. So I pay attenuation to it." It makes it hard on me to understand if you are town reading, or sus. of a person, as it seems you are both.

Is there anyone, who you believe is town or scum here, and why? (Found Habo/Sinny later, any others would be nice)

Sete Kiba's Post i like for a few reasons:
1, As mafia, she could of just let it happen, and easily not get targeted by at least Hablo D1.
2. First to suggest it
3. Mocks some of what I thought (Wanted Hablo tho to answer, as that is how I play)

Skipping over Susan's response about yellow for now.

Next PMJ post clears some things up. Still kinda confused, but less so.

Damm Rain go away, come back and rekt my comcast another day.

Hablo's Defense:

I need them to know that I've got reasons for acting differently, since otherwise they'll assume that it's because my alignment has changed.

I am going to ask you Hablo, when did you think about this?

... Defensive? Huh. That's an odd word to use.

kinda out of no where. Kinda feels disconnected with the rest of the post.

Also, I'm sidling up to you. I like you man. I want to have your babies. I've seen your pic on the forum and you're aigh't. Who should we hang first bb?

Is this a joke?
I am really bad at telling if things are jokes in fourm.

Going to get a drink then come back.

Questions:
@HAblo, everything basically underneath the defense section.
@PMJ, Any reads other then Sinny/Hablo, couldn't understand it
I think that is all of them. 4 nowize

 

[PmjPmj]

(Me in terms of aggression, I meant. He's far more on point than I was. Aaaaand now I'm shitposting).

 

[Shapelog]

Yes, Spacetwig! Yes! Dude came out swinging his bat. Fucking A.

Guys,

Somebody shit the bed in work today (not me ) which has caused me a lot of unforeseen, additional work. I will attempt to chime in with a productive post either much later this evening (unlikely) or tomorrow morning (likely). I just wanted to ensure that you aren't under the impression that I'm purposefully lurking.

For the record, Spacetwig is (in my mind) green. He's basically me from the last game.

Well done that man. We now have some balls in the fray.

(Me in terms of aggression, I meant. He's far more on point than I was. Aaaaand now I'm shitposting).

I have a question PMJ, and do not take it the wrong way,

How is me, acting like you from last game, any reason to TR me at all?

And I want to see, if you see, what is wrong with your reasoning (even tho the result is correct)

 

[PmjPmj]

Gut feeling.

I'll try to get back to you soon. Currently typing some documentation up, then have to get some shopping. If you don't hear from me tonight, I'll be about in the morning.

 

[Shapelog]

Anyways, Back to work.

Also QT you're more than just an intuition player aren't you? You can be quite articulate and you're prodding in all the right directions. FWIW you seem town to me (outside of a few frustrating elements). The only question is whether you're coming across as town because you're town, or because you're just that much better at scumming than I am at hunting scum.

What do you think is there to question your town read on QT from him so far?
For that matter, since QT has experience, what in particular makes you think he is strongly town? I have him on a semi-town lean myself, just from what I read from him, but what exactly, in this game, = town.

I mean, waffleing about weather or not he is actually town, or is good scum is (and I speak from 11 town games of experience of waffling and tinfoil) completely useless! Just clogs your posts, and is something I myself is trying to remove from my play (being lynched a few times d1 or close too is enough for me to learn). It also can screw you over and idk, cost you a the game in lylo by lynching the most obv town ever.


Gopher is obv. scared of his own filter shadow, hence why he is lurking.

Sete Kiba responds to the defense: Nothing stands out to me particularly, so just let Hablo answer it.

Yellow unvote/vote: kinda meh about the unvote tbh. idk what about it puts me off. But it just feels like she (yellow is a female yes) just retreated, and accpected other peoples reasoning. Which isn't a sin it self, in fact, is good that she is looking at other players advice and reads on X, but...idk.
When she says this:

The only way to hop out of the rut is to start scum-hunting. Feel free to start with me, since I'm the biggest bee in your bonnet. At least it'll be some show of effort.

to then a unvote, kinda seems a little bit disconnected. Might just be me though, would love to hear other's feedback on this.

The vote on Hablo: Kinda off the back foot of another person's (both QT and Sete kiba) read. Does present own ideas tho.

This is such a strange thing to say too, when you consider everything else you'd said thus far. First, how on earth can anyone be read as town yet? This itself seems like you're trying to placate QuickTwist, even though there's little to placate. (I've run out of finding-quotes-steam, here) Same with your joke about sidling up to PMJ. It was clumsily done. You're trying to make us see you a certain way and simultaneously pretend you're not trying to make us see you a certain way.

I have some people I think is semi-scum, and others I am leaning town. Having a Early town read isn't crazy, more so the reasoning behind it. If it is a read with no bite, then wtf. Otherwise, people will think how they think.

Maybe about the PMJ thing, but I do not see Hablo placate QT off of that. Or more so, I do not get that Vibe off of that one post.

It also is worth noting that Hablo can actually only really lynch:

He cannot lynch you, Sete, or Blar, due to what he said.
He town read QT, cannot be lynched right now
Slided up to PMJ, look weird if he lynched.

So can really only lynch, Gopher, me, and sinny. And gopher is kinda iffy target for him if he is mafia.

Would like to know current read on Sinny (yellow).

Sete Kiba answers back: kinda rubbing my head on the unvote, as it seem that Hablo would be higher on Sete's list of scum. Kinda of a blazing act tbh from scum.

Tired honestly.

Out of Yellow's response:

I still think Hado's a better lead than Sinny at the moment, and I haven't got much else yet, so I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Upgrading question:
Besides The 2 people you think are scum and sete, what are your thoughts on the rest of the player base. By this post, everyone but me, had posted something that could of influenced you.

Blah blah blah Susan calling me a pussy blah blah blah

Blar's rant: Hey Blar, I see u scum read Hablo, cool. Can you please at any time, give other posts not by him a look and comment on them? Thanks.

Sete post: Blah blah blah, some weird idea of honestly, blah blah blah.

Now I am trying to comprehend Spacelogs decision to not read everything(or pretending to not do so) before posting... I mean, he even made a drawing and had an hour to do so. He reiterated much of what would be said as well, it might be a trick to throw us off our guard. I have a hard time believing an experienced player would do something like this.

The Drawing took me 5 mins plz. I am a expert in ms paint.

I have to go post by post, like I have been doing, to really understand were the game is at because I wasn't there. See, I benfient from actively talking to people, as it makes me fully understand the situation. Here, I got to piece everything back together to understand it, which is what I've done before, and even did so in the last mafia game here.

It is also worth noting, that I am indeed a nutcase as scum, and that would be something I might do as scum. I've taken 2 blues, both confirmed basically (mod confirmed and set up) on purpose. it is my greatest strength, and bane when I roll town.

So take your pick tbh. Just means I can further read you.

There's not that much content.. You and Spacedog wanna get a move on.

Nope,
I like my speed that my eyes are caring for this game susan.

 

[Shapelog]

FFS
EWOPDIA:
Questions:
@Yellow, what are your thought's/reads on the other people in the game? And what is your current read on Sinny?
@Hablo, 1st part of the post
@Blar, what are your thoughts on anything not related to a Hablo post.
@PMJ Your Gut disgusts me good sir! It is filled with Acids, and chewed twinkes! But for real, I really want you to see what is wrong with your read logic here.

 

[Sinny91]

I dunno, something just seems slightly less up front about you two (Yellow, QT).. But having said that, I'd like to hear a bit more off Goph and Blarraun. 

PMJ seems perfectly 'normal' to me.. and so does Sete, I think..

I don't know much about Spacedog, I could probably do with interacting with him some more... But, no alarms bells just yet.

As always, I'm keeping Hado under a watchful eye. 

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Shapelog gets a few town points from me, all he does so far is solid questioning and focusing on uncertainties while including every player into the scope. I'll have to wait and see if he stays consistent.

Yellow, some splendid conflict resolution and neutrality. Are you trying to keep a low profile for some reason?

Sinny and PMJ, both usually too erratic/standard to tell.

I'm waiting to see more from Gopher and QT, they haven't really said much that could indicate anything.

Honestly, don't put too much stock into it, I decided to play exactly this way regardless if I was a scum or town before the game even started. Even this post is a carefully thought out plot to prove my "honesty"(which would play out pretty much the same regardless of alignment).

Why would you say this? Shouldn't you seek to build your town cred? Now all your statement does basically is saying that you aren't going to cooperate as Town, because you're not going to allow others to put trust in you.

 

[Seteleechete]

Why would you say this? Shouldn't you seek to build your town cred? Now all your statement does basically is saying that you aren't going to cooperate as Town, because you're not going to allow others to put trust in you.

Hmm, maybe it was a mistake but I am simply too paranoid to take such things on face value and assume everyone else is, so assuming people will question it any-way I may as well share my view of the topic(My levels of paranoia playing this really are through the roof).

Well, it doesn't really matter too much, I usually let my reasoning speak for me either way. Now, I tried for a long time to find something good enough to attack Spacelog with but I couldn't think of anything solid. I'll just wait until he says some more since he seems to be a talker. Might as well keep a no-read on him atm. Since I can't find any good enough indications he is town either.

Actually here is a list of my suspicions atm.
QT: Dodgy as fuck(to quote Sinny). Far too timid for my expectations. Not really any solid leads though, just a feeling. Slight mafia-lean.

Yellow: Trying to avoid things through incredulity? maybe, maybe not. Also was overly anxious when pressed for a long time, but that can be attributed to normal beginner nerves. I like to think people are a bit more composed here but... Slight/moderate maffia-lean.

Hado: Has some sort of weird pacifistic agenda I don't particularly trust. Unfortunately, I really can see him thinking something like that up. Moderate mafia-lean, but I should keep an open mind on him for now.

Blar: Semi-lurker, far too much into explaining the game and caught into monologues, which may be attributed to defensiveness and worry. Tiny Mafia-lean. I don't consider semi inaction of this kind as a good sign.

Sinny: Frankly less aggressive than expected after the initial half-day, seems to focus on retaliation a lot which isn't too out of the way admittedly. Slight town-lean but not particularly strong at all.

Spacelog: I am not entirely sure what he is trying to do... he acts erratically, probably on purpose, one moment seemingly silly the next utterly serious. No town or mafia leans on him atm.

Gopher: Actually a lurker?

Pmjpmj: A bit scatter minded. Really hard for me to get a read on. No lean, I will need to be more vigilant of other people's analysis of him.

Space(and others who know him better), what do you think about QTs actions so far? Particularly his seeming lack of initiative. It may be normal for him and I may be looking too much into it.

 

[Shapelog]

I dunno, something just seems slightly less up front about you two (Yellow, QT).. But having said that, I'd like to hear a bit more off Goph and Blarraun. 

PMJ seems perfectly 'normal' to me.. and so does Sete, I think..

I don't know much about Spacedog, I could probably do with interacting with him some more... But, no alarms bells just yet.

As always, I'm keeping Hado under a watchful eye. 

Well, I am right here Susan.

Ask meh anything, and I only stab you maybe 3 times for it. Or add you to my butterfly collection!

Also, PMJ has stated that he is going to play differently and basically has. What about him is normal?

Shapelog gets a few town points from me, all he does so far is solid questioning and focusing on uncertainties while including every player into the scope. I'll have to wait and see if he stays consistent.

Yellow, some splendid conflict resolution and neutrality. Are you trying to keep a low profile for some reason?

Sinny and PMJ, both usually too erratic/standard to tell.

I'm waiting to see more from Gopher and QT, they haven't really said much that could indicate anything.
[Sete Kiba post]
Why would you say this? Shouldn't you seek to build your town cred? Now all your statement does basically is saying that you aren't going to cooperate as Town, because you're not going to allow others to put trust in you.

Have a question tho. PMJ is purposefully playing different from last game, and it (IMO) shows to me. So, how did you come to the outcome that he is playing standard/erratic?
I am also going to ask you, since sete kiba responded, would what she (he? they?) did be more mafia or town In your eyes?

Decent post tho tbh.

Hmm, maybe it was a mistake but I am simply too paranoid to take such things on face value and assume everyone else is, so assuming people will question it any-way I may as well share my view of the topic(My levels of paranoia playing this really are through the roof).

Well, it doesn't really matter too much, I usually let my reasoning speak for me either way. Now, I tried for a long time to find something good enough to attack Spacelog with but I couldn't think of anything solid. I'll just wait until he says some more since he seems to be a talker. Might as well keep a no-read on him atm. Since I can't find any good enough indications he is town either.

Actually here is a list of my suspicions atm.
QT: Dodgy as fuck(to quote Sinny). Far too timid for my expectations. Not really any solid leads though, just a feeling. Slight mafia-lean.

Yellow: Trying to avoid things through incredulity? maybe, maybe not. Also was overly anxious when pressed for a long time, but that can be attributed to normal beginner nerves. I like to think people are a bit more composed here but... Slight/moderate maffia-lean.

Hado: Has some sort of weird pacifistic agenda I don't particularly trust. Unfortunately, I really can see him thinking something like that up. Moderate mafia-lean, but I should keep an open mind on him for now.

Blar: Semi-lurker, far too much into explaining the game and caught into monologues, which may be attributed to defensiveness and worry. Tiny Mafia-lean. I don't consider semi inaction of this kind as a good sign.

Sinny: Frankly less aggressive than expected after the initial half-day, seems to focus on retaliation a lot which isn't too out of the way admittedly. Slight town-lean but not particularly strong at all.

Spacelog: I am not entirely sure what he is trying to do... he acts erratically, probably on purpose, one moment seemingly silly the next utterly serious. No town or mafia leans on him atm.

Gopher: Actually a lurker?

Pmjpmj: A bit scatter minded. Really hard for me to get a read on. No lean, I will need to be more vigilant of other people's analysis of him.

Space(and others who know him better), what do you think about QTs actions so far? Particularly his seeming lack of initiative. It may be normal for him and I may be looking too much into it.

There really isn't no way to fix that, other than experience. I just try to block my paranoia till the sweetspot of day 2/3 (assuming day 3 is reached) to one before lylo, as it can help then.

Color bit: Why do you feel the need to find something to attack me with? I mean, sure, if I do something scummy in your eyes, you should by all means come after me, but attacking isn't the only way to gather info. Asking questions (like I do) is great for finding info out, or trying to understand their mindset.

Anyways, moving onto your reads,

What do you make of Blar's last post since you are scum leaning him? I was kinda sus. of him due to what you said, but his last post helped it some.

Yellow/Hablo/PMJ/Gopher(Da scary Shadow Filter) reads I understand.

Susan..eh, I mean she is acting how she is normally acting around you guys, and from what I've seen from the witch hunt/brexit threads. But for me, that is all she has going for her right now. She really hasn't wowied me with anything, or really done much other then the tone to convince me she is one or the other. But, it prob pick up.

My tone, according to meta, should be carefree, and I should be shit posting about now. Neither of which I really am feeling right now.
Honestly, my town matches this 90% of the time:

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Avx7WCYiw

And now QT,

Space(and others who know him better), what do you think about QTs actions so far? Particularly his seeming lack of initiative. It may be normal for him and I may be looking too much into it.

Well, this might or might be the first game that I played with him. However, I have watched 2 games of his (from the seat of a host) and gave him feedback on his town meta. Haven't seen scum so :/

Personally, I got a weak town lean just off of vibes i got from him from reading his earlier posts. I did think tho, that he would of responded with something though by now. He isn't really a player that has a problem statementing his mind, so meh. I know that he has problems with how town precedes him when playing town, and other stuff that IIRC he has said. If he is playing 4 games right now, I can see him being less then himself. Tho, nothing is sticking out tbh.

Pressuring him right now though wouldn't be bad. It would force him as either alignment to post more, which can be read off of.

TLDR: basically, I came to a different conclusion, but I cannot say (due to not knowing his scum meta) if this is indicative of anything.

 

[Shapelog]

Speaking of Gopher,

Oh my god this is awful. I understand your pain now, at first I was out and didn't get it but now... I can't sleep at all and I'm constantly writing down notes. How on earth do lurkers play like this? I do have a very specific reason for not posting until I wake up though which I'll explain when I wake up.



And this will be part of that post don't worry.



Yeah this is what I'm going to do. I think my first town game I went post for post with the entire game. At least it felt like that. Obviously I didn't post half the content but it took me four posts each time to actually explain what I was talking about.

What are your notes btw? After you catch up, can you also explain your reasoning for not posting at least something by now?
idk your timezone so blah.