intp thinking...

[SilentChaos]

I when I find something that doesn’t make logical sense to me I tend to consciously forget about it rather than ‘guessing’ but my mind doesn't let it go, weeks later I will have a complicated theory out of nowhere for how it logically works. I figure this is because if there is something I don’t understand my mind collects information about it over a long period of time and then puts it together to make a more accurate explanation.

But consciously I think like I’m explaining something of interest to someone and their asking me questions (I think that somehow helps my understanding process)

When my minds not doing that I make up stories and characters and replay in a detailed manner the first chapters.

I was just wondering how the other intps think. How do your minds analyse information? How do you come to solutions?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Shit appears in my head and I go with it. ^_^

Edit: I normally judge information, outcomes, inputs and systems based on assumptions. If the observed results do not match the assumptions must be changed.

Figuring out what the assumptions should be is the hard part.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Well I process information in different ways.

• Past Reflection
• Recent Reflection
• System/Model Building
• Future scenario

When I reflect on the past I recreate scenes that I felt were important and analyze every viewpoint that I can. This can also be done self-indulgently to induce emotions I had at the time and to relive experiences, but it is chiefly used for hindsight to feed to my model of reality.

When I reflect on recent events I am quickly scanning what has just happened for anything of significance. If I am not able to retreat into the mind soon the incident may be forgotten until I bring it up during past reflection.

When I am system building I like to think out-loud as if I'm speaking to another person. Observations are given and explained in multiple ways. The most logical information is constructed into a soft mold ready to be reshaped if needed. As time goes on and more information is filtered the system becomes strong enough to articulate.

When I am visualizing a future scenario everything seems so real. I can easily follow multiple choices and how people would react or how something would be affected. I usually hear the dialogue in my future visions.

 

[Agent Intellect]

But consciously I think like I’m explaining something of interest to someone and their asking me questions (I think that somehow helps my understanding process)

When my minds not doing that I make up stories and characters and replay in a detailed manner the first chapters.

This sounds very much like me. My thinking is often in the forms of a 'dialogue' either with me attempting to pitch my idea to the imaginary person, or me attempting to defend an idea to an imaginary skeptic.

When I'm making up characters and fantasy worlds, I play out dialogues and situations between the characters. I've even been known to make sound effects out loud. I can easily picture my characters and there interactions in my mind. My writing reflects this (my writing has been described as playing out like a movie).

In math, I seem to have a form of synesthesia where I can picture numbers and the operations are like sounds. For instance, when I'm doing factoring, I picture the numbers/variables spreading out or compressing when going between the polynomial and the parentheses and can hear it happening (difficult to describe what it is that I'm actually seeing or hearing, but it's a very visual/auditory thing for me).

Much of my thinking is very visual and not done in words so much. There are a lot of concepts that I only understand in a sort of intuitive, visual way instead of as words. I'm really not all that good with words, anyway, and my speech often seems impeded, I forget words all the time, and it makes it difficult to express a lot of things. For instance, I have a sort of intuitive mental picture for how evolution works, like I can visualize all of the relationships and interconnections in an environment (a sort of holistic view) that I can't adequately express in words.

I think this is why much of my hashing out ideas happens in the form of dialogue, because I can understand something intuitively and visually, and these dialogues are my way of attempting to put the concept into words and understand it in more logistical terms.

My post here is a good example of how inadequate I am at explaining my way of thinking with words.

 

[Cavallier]

Dialogue and telling stories is very much like what my mind does a lot. Sometimes I think in nothing but pictures though. On those days I feel really disconnected from people and my environment. It's a little like being drunk I guess.

I also repeat words in my head that don't sound right or for some reason my subconscious has taken a hold of. I often take that word andput it into song lyrics and sing the song to myself with other words as a babbling stream of consciousness game.

Last, after having an unplanned/unexpected conversation with somebody I replay the conversation in my head several times. My friends have noticed that I often repeat it under my breath a little. I'm analyzing the conversation for inadequacies and testing the exchange for truth and validity. Since I couldn't plan and analyze my responses before the conversation I need to do so afterward. My boyfriend says living in my head must be exhausting because I relive most of my day at least once over.

My brain almost never shuts down like a lot of people's do. Even when playing a video game or watching tv I'm constantly analyzing and pondering. I wish I could veg out the way my friends do. Instead I just tend to fall asleep when I'm not currently thinking about something.

 

[Chimera]

I'm really visual when it comes to thinking. Where some people would think "I'm going to work on that drawing later", I see myself working on it at a later point in the day. In the same way, if I'm hungry I don't sit there thinking "I'm hungry, what could I eat", I see myself getting up and looking through the food in the fridge. I have trouble hanging on to these images for more than a second, because the concept is so clear to me, so my thoughts get a little muddled. It's hard to connect point A to point Q.

Although, when I'm arguing a point with myself, it switches more into dialogue (like what's been mentioned), and these exchanges are easier to follow.

(There was more I wanted to say here, but I walked away from the computer for a few minutes and lost my train of thought. So that's all for now.)

edit: Oh, and there are times when I space out and don't think about anything at all. I'm completely oblivious to my surroundings; I just stare at one place and it feels like I'm disconnected from my body. And when people nudge me or ask me what I was staring at, I just reply with "I was thinking". When really there's nothing further from the truth...
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[Auburn]

I've confused myself trying to reply to this thread.. <<

..but I just want to say that you guys are awesome. o.o i wish i could think visually like that.

 

[deeisagem]

it's not always good, auburn. sometimes you can visualize a conversation with someone or a solution to something and later forget that you haven't actually taken action. it was all in your head, even though it was very real to/for you.

 

[Chimera]

^ happens to me somewhat frequently. Though I have more of a problem with dreaming something happened and then waking up not realizing some time later that it wasn't real.

 

[SilentChaos]

Hmmm it’s almost is if language and this kind of thinking don’t coincide, like I need to convert my thoughts if I wish to communicate them. Converting them is rough almost like the sequential Patten in which words flow is different from the abstract way in which my mind puts thoughts and pictures together and then trying to explain anything I think or believe is like trying to explain colours to a blind person.


In my opinion I live in two worlds, one is the ‘real’ worlds in this world enormous amounts of information is forced upon me and the other world is the one that exists in my head; that’s where I analyse new information make connections, find new glorious possibilities. You can tell which one I like best.


There seems to be a similarity in all of your posts:the stories thing and explaining a concept to an imaginary person wether critical or inquisitive could this be just an intp thing? Or a way of thinking used by a select number of people? I have discussed this with the people around me, this form of thinking and their comments have indicate that their thinking styles share no similarities with my own, the problem with working out how people think is that lots of people

A) Don’t actually care at all about how they think
B) Don’t want to know
C) They know but they can’t explain

I’m not sure how to accurately analyse someone’s thinking patterns yet, maybe I should try posting this on some forums to see how other types respond.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

There seems to be a similarity in all of your posts:the stories thing and explaining a concept to an imaginary person wether critical or inquisitive could this be just an intp thing? Or a way of thinking used by a select number of people? I have discussed this with the people around me, this form of thinking and their comments have indicate that their thinking styles share no similarities with my own, the problem with working out how people think is that lots of people

A) Don’t actually care at all about how they think
B) Don’t want to know
C) They know but they can’t explain

I’m not sure how to accurately analyse someone’s thinking patterns yet, maybe I should try posting this on some forums to see how other types respond.

The process of explaining possibilities to mental models is very much an Ne thing; Because a real world interlocutor is not available, one is imagined. Note that the Ne serves to help the thought process so of course this implies dominant Ti. TiNe becomes INTP by default. I suspect INTJs also "talk with themselves" but in a different way, rather they are merely consumed by their inner beliefs with a need to express them out loud.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

Its hard to say for me, i approach different problems with different methods. Most of my complex thoughts happen so fast that i have to stop myself and go back through. Its a lot like peicing together a puzzle, i have the board laid out, little peices scattered about, the peices being the small detailed thoughts, the board being my brain, and the finished puzzle is my final overall thought. Each peice is analyzed and fit into its place or discarded until later when i see more peices that match it.

I often write down small trivial things, patterns, and other little details, i dont feel like memorizing so i can go back and just look at it instead of trying to dig through my thoughts.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I often write down small trivial things, patterns, and other little details, i dont feel like memorizing so i can go back and just look at it instead of trying to dig through my thoughts.

I forgot about this. Anyone else keep a stash of papers filled with thought notes and graphic models?

I usually don't have the motivation to revisit and develop old notes though.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

I actually throw away my notes most of the time, i will stuff them somewhere, eventually get tired of the clutter, then throw it away, regardless of what it is.

 

[lone_dreamer]

My thought process is quite strange. fundamentally, my brain NEVER shuts up, it is constantly talking, (at least subliminally). I find it's my job to check up on my brain to see what it's up too. Sometimes I come in, right in the middle of a thought, too which I backtrack and expand upon too understand what my mind is doing and exploiting the possibilities of situation at hand.

Now when I consciously think it's predominantly visual, however my brain audibly tells me what I'm seeing. I like to think of my brain as my big brother...or Yoda, yes definitely Yoda, who shows me the ways of the world.

Anyone else keep a stash of papers filled with thought notes and graphic models?

I seldom write down my thoughts but when I do I keep them scattered around my desk until I think I've exhausted their potential and dispose of them.

 

[pjoa09]

i just swear in my head insulting diesels and hybrids.. why do u drive fast when u have a hybrid. what the fuck is the point. oh look a guy with a tatoo such an F.