INTP life experiences and 10 questions!

[jchazardous]

Hey this is my first post and I've poured myself into finding my MBTI and Enneagram type for months. I've finally managed to, INTP 5w6, and I'm really interested in understanding certain things about how other people like me live, what they've learned so far in life either as our type or otherwise, and anything else one might find interesting to share about themselves. I'd really just love learning something from those of you who the same intellegence, objective thinking, possible issues, and have a number of years of experience above me. So here are my questions-

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

-I've managed to fall back a grade, still don't do homework, and can't seem to get my head out of anything I'm interested in. I'd REALLY love advice on this.

2. What is your IQ?

-I have an IQ of 130 and I'd assume others having the same type have a similar number.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

-I have ADHD and Depression both of which I take medication before and used to have Social Anxiety and traces of paranoia/anxiety afterward.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

-I've managed to do this exceptionally well and have become quite popular by acting on the observations I make.

5. What insecurities do you have?

-Mine have changed drastically multiple times in the last few years and I'm very curious to see what yours are.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

I try to strategize and climb the ranks in day-to-day relationships but I crave depth. I can't even enjoy the ocassional hook up without feeling intellectually stimulated by the other person. I need to understand/love them to enjoy them.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

-I tend to talk about issues in life and try to solve other's problems for them while still remaining empathetic for feeling types.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

-Procrastinate and talk with people. But I'm not extraverted which I find somewhat odd. I also strategize and research alot as you can tell by the formation of this thread.

9. What are your goals in life?

-I'd like to become a neuropsychiatrist or specialize in some medical profession which invloves the brain other than a surgeon. Not sure other than that which is why I'm interested.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

-I'm th/deistic (believe in a God) and take an independent political stance. I generally see life as a gift for me to fully experience any way possible. Not as a challenge, joke, pointless existence, or duty.



Any other things you think another INTP might be interested and could possible learn from your experience, or really anything you find inciteful would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time and it's nice to meet you all.

 

[Fukyo]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procratine?

I haven't.

2. What is your IQ?

No idea. I was tested as a child, but never informed of the exact number, only that it was "above average". I wouldn't want to know either.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

No idea. I have never seen a specialist that could supply the diagnosis.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

There's no way of dealing with them unless you know how they think.

5. What insecurities do you have?

I'm a superman.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

I do not seek out any kind of relationships. Occasionally someone interesting engages me and things of off from there.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Eccentric people, intellectuals, people with idiosyncratic thoughts, witty and dark humor, playfulness. Conversation is composed of everything and anything.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

Stuff.

9. What are your goals in life?

On hold.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

It fluctuates based on my mood. I try to remain realistic, but I have a propensity toward negative thinking.

 

[Dansk]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

- I haven't. If you figure it out, let me know.

2. What is your IQ?

- I took an internet test once that said mine is 146, but I've never been officially tested. I was slapped with the 'gifted' label in elementary school, if that's worth anything.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

- Minor depression, which I currently medicate for, but I'm working on learning how to deal with it myself through a change of mental habits. The importance of regular exercise can't be overstated, it's the only thing that can pull me out of a depressive phase.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

- I psycho-analyze everyone and everything. My favourite subject is myself, although the cat in my avatar gets a lot of time as well when I'm at my parents' place to visit.

5. What insecurities do you have?

- I'm terrified to know what people really think of me. Other than that, I'm pretty confident about everything these days.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

- I don't do casual relationships very well. If someone is worth hanging around, they're worth getting to know. If they aren't worth getting to know, why bother doing anything with them? One night stands are horrifically unsatisfying.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

- Someone capable of deep thought about life and the universe, and who has an open mind. I talk to my close friends about anything and everything, although with one of them the subject of death--in an existential context, not suicidal--seems to come up more often than not.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

- Currently I'm catching up on all the movies I'm supposed to have seen.

9. What are your goals in life?

- I'm headed back to school to start a Masters in linguistics once I get home from Korea next fall, hoping to become a professor one day. It's the only job I can imagine doing without going insane.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

- I believe in absolute personal freedoms to the extent that those freedoms don't infringe on the freedoms of others. A healthy body makes a healthy mind. Life exists to fulfill the Aristotelian concept of happiness/eudaimonia, and that's all I'm after.

 

[Anchorite]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procratine?

When something has to get done, Don't sleep.

2. What is your IQ?

I have no idea and I think IQ is bullshit anyway

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

I think I'm just mental like everyone else

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Yes, I think I really over do it.

5. What insecurities do you have?

All of them.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

I seek both and take whatever I can get my hands on (that was not sexual)

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Intelligence for everyone, and shallow beauty for relationships. I talk about quite literally everything.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

I listen to music, roam the internet, sit and think, read INTPforum, doodle, whistle...

9. What are your goals in life?

Grow up to do the things that children claim they are going to.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

Sometimes shit just happens, but you can also make other shit happen.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

I just try to stop worrying about the consequences, it'll pretty much happen anyway.

2. What is your IQ?

Dunno, above average at least. I don't think I'm a genius, I just love to learn and think creatively.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Those tests are biased.

Spoiler

I was really dipping into OCPD/OCD territory between late 2008- mid 2009, due to high stress and anxiety in school. The obsessive-compulsive behavior is gone, but it left me with simple motor tics that emerge when I'm really nervous. At first they were extreme and constant enough to be noticed by others if they paid attention, but now they're hardly visible and don't have any affect on my life. No medication btw and I'm doing alright.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Are SJs stubborn?

5. What insecurities do you have?

I'm uncertain; I don't have much confidence for myself in anything.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

No, because the world is filled with shallow people. I just let things happen.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Intellect , audacity, eccentricity, looks, curiosity, humor, respect, confidence and tolerance. For friends it doesn't matter, though to be close they'd have to know when to stop the BS. I don't have much anyone that close anymore, but when I did it was always about ethical worldviews and observational humor.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

Procrastinate

9. What are your goals in life?

I don't work towards goals. I just take life day by day.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

Nature is god. Don't be a dick. And life is crazy.

Any other things you think another INTP might be interested and could possible learn from your experience, or really anything you find inciteful would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time and it's nice to meet you all.

You may find that the world is full of irrational people, that doesn't necessarily mean they lack intelligence. Instead of placing yourself above others based on your intellect, realize and appreciate the emotional and physical intelligence others have.

 

[Anthile]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procratine?

There is nothing a strict schedule cannot accomplish.

2. What is your IQ?

I did some tests with actual psychologists and my IQ somewhere around 130 while my verbal IQ is higher than 150. However, I do not think too highly of the concept of IQ tests and I believe they don't do any good.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Schizoid Personality Disorder and depression. Both diagnosed by an actual psychologist.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Let's just say I love to dissect things.

5. What insecurities do you have?

Some. They come and go and I find it hard to put my finger on them.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

Mu.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Nothing too specific and I don't really talk to anyone in RL.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

Working on my goals, of course.

9. What are your goals in life?

It's really complicated and I don't think the context of this thread is appropriate to talk about it.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

1. People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
2. If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives. Do good anyway.
3. If you are successful, you win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway.
4. The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
5. Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
6. The biggest men with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men with the smallest minds. Think big anyway.
7. People favor underdogs, but follow only top dogs. Fight for a few underdogs anyway.
8. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway.
9. People really need help but may attack you if you do help them. Help people anyway.
10. Give the world the best you have and you'll get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you have anyway.

 

[Ermine]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

I create external obligations. eg) classes, explicit promises, etc. And I tell myself what my priorities are. Also, I eventually get sick and tired of all-nighters caused by procrastination.

2. What is your IQ?

If you must know, it's usually anywhere from 125 to 140. I don't think IQ tests hold much credibility. They only test one kind of intelligence, and there are a ton of factors that can skew the result. I am not as smart as my IQ.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

I used to have social anxiety 1.5 years ago, but I'm ok now.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Kinda. But most of my analysis occurs after the fact, so it's only so useful.

5. What insecurities do you have?

My main insecurity would be my seeming inability to do all the things I want to. Also, I have insecurities about my knowledge. People tell me I know a lot of things, but I just have a poignant sense of how little I know.

I'm also quite insecure when it comes to messy interpersonal matters. They make my mind freeze.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances.

I seek deep relationships, but I get a lot of acquaintances without trying. Apparently I have a charming witty outer persona. But at the same time, acquaintances are nice because there aren't too many obligations.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

I like zany inquiring minds. Basically smart curious people with a sense of adventure/humor. They tend to be nerds as well. I tend to talk about things I've read/observed, classes, and how things seem to be (governing principles of the universe).

8. What do you do in your spare time?

Reading, walking, piano, thinking, guitar, crocheting scarves, lots of homework, researching random things on the internet, art, photography, learning about scientists.

9. What are your goals in life?

In terms of short term goals, I'm getting a degree in computer science. In the long term, I want to create, understand, and learn. And hopefully find a special someone to join in my quest someday.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

I'm Mormon (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) and loving it. (yes, it's possible to be a contently religious INTP though I admit that if I weren't raised that way I wouldn't be very religious at all.) Other than that, my take on life is that I'm here to learn and progress, and will take all opportunities to do so. Enjoy. Also what Anthile said.

Any other things you think another INTP might be interested and could possible learn from your experience, or really anything you find inciteful would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time and it's nice to meet you all.

As useful as knowledge of the INTP type is, don't confine yourself within it. Every INTP has non-INTP characteristics. I joined this forum almost 3 years ago, and spent much of that time overanalyzing myself according to the MBTI. But I discovered that as soon as I broke out of that mold, I have learned so much more about myself and life in general. Since deciding that I would be myself in my entirety, I have grown so much more. So don't get addicted.

 

[lone_dreamer]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?
I haven't. I wait till the last minute and let the fear of failure drive me to completion.

2. What is your IQ?
Despite its obsolescence, it's 130-160 according to online tests.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?
I've just been diagnosed with anxiety.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?
Is the sky blue?

5. What insecurities do you have?
Lack of confidence and fear of incompetence.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances.
I don't actively seek deep relationships anymore, but if I see one, it doesn't leave my sight.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?
An open mind that questions what it perceives. With people closest to me I Generally talk about the future or BS ideas such as a Prairie cannon to colonize mars.

8. What do you do in your spare time?
Guitar, youtube, Call of Duty, think, read, this forum.

9. What are your goals in life?
Contribute to humanity, procreate and die with a smile on my face.

10. What is your world view and take on life?
Pantheist"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself." - Albert Einstein
"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." - Albert Einstein
can't remember any others.

 

[Minuend]

Note: Opinions might change overnight.

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procratine?

For me it depends on my mood. Sometimes I just get bursts of energy where I get off my ass and actually do stuff. Usually, my procrastination has a reason, so I try to pinpoint that reason and sulk about it.

2. What is your IQ?

Have no idea, probably average. My brain... ohhh you don't want to see what it looks like in there.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Possibly. Not diagnosed.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

I think it happens naturally? But what I get out of it vary. Sometimes I get clear insights into people, mostly I can't see them at all. They are just blurs to me.

5. What insecurities do you have?

Ohhhhh, don't want to go there. My personality is under constant scrutiny.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

If I was to befriend anyone, it would be because I found them interesting. And then I'd be too intimidated to actually talk to them.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Insight is a minimum requirement. Other traits I appreciate: ability to not take things seriously, humor, intellect, knowledge. Well, lotsa things.

I talk about most things, I suppose. I usually don't carry a list.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

PC, videogames, paint, draw, jiggies, read, crosswords, watch a movie every now and then

9. What are your goals in life?

To have goals in life is to end up disappointed and broken.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

We are here by chance and we might die in the next 5 minutes. But that's okay, 'cause I'm not certain existing is worth it anyway.

Any other things you think another INTP might be interested and could possible learn from your experience, or really anything you find inciteful would be greatly appreciated.

I have very little other people could use. That's why I don't wish more people were like me; It's not a good thing.

 

[jchazardous]

How very interesting. Alot of questions were answered just as I thought they would be and all of the answers were very similar:

1. We all have a mental disorder or seem to think it's possible.
2. All of us seem to have a vastly superior IQ.
3. All of us psycho-analyze others.
4. Most of us seem to have nothing but the most basic goals.

So here's an interesting question. What would all of you think about how
overthinking done by our type can lead to depression and withdrawl? It seems very plausible that while alot of us believe we may have a depressive disorder, that it could in fact not be a disorder. Rather, how our overthinking affects our lives which makes us withdraw, procrastinate, not plan ahead though we're intuitive, and therefore make us depressed. Also there seemed to be the same amount of people responding with anxiety issues. I find very interesting the people with OCD, motor tics, and social anxiety have responded as I have had all of hese before and only 3% of the population has ever suffered from social anxiety. So clearly are over and psycho-analyzation cause a great deal of stress for us as a type and with our natural tendency to slip into a depressive state, most of our thoughts, theories, and observations come to us in a negative form. A negative state of mind. I find this very enlightening. Our thinking capabilites stress us out to the point we experience symptoms of mental disorders. Fascinating. And I found EyeSeeCold's perspective on intelligence informative and helpful to say the least.

1. People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
2. If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives. Do good anyway.
3. If you are successful, you win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway.
4. The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
5. Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
6. The biggest men with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men with the smallest minds. Think big anyway.
7. People favor underdogs, but follow only top dogs. Fight for a few underdogs anyway.
8. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway.
9. People really need help but may attack you if you do help them. Help people anyway.
10. Give the world the best you have and you'll get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you have anyway.

You seem to be the most developed and matured out of any of those who answered this thread in your responsiblity in the outer world by meeting your actually existing goals and by following this philoshophy. I find it contains too much information for me to decipher, however, and I'd really appreciate it if you could answer me one question on this matter to clarify my thoughts. Why? For what purpose when it seems pointless and irrelevant?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

So here's an interesting question. What would all of you think about how
overthinking done by our type can lead to depression and withdrawl?

Hmm. In a way, the need to structure and categorize everything is a form of control, not on the outer world, but the inner one. When we can't control what is happening to us we begin to think of all the negative possibilities, all that can and will go wrong, continuing on a down-spiral path to depression.

For withdrawal, it is almost the same thing, I think we feel powerless against the outer world and begin to think of all the bad outcomes. Thus we lose confidence in our actions which affects our immediacy and initiative.

 

[BigApplePi]

So here's an interesting question. What would all of you think about how
overthinking done by our type can lead to depression and withdrawl? It seems very plausible that while alot of us believe we may have a depressive disorder, that it could in fact not be a disorder. Rather, how our overthinking affects our lives which makes us withdraw, procrastinate, not plan ahead though we're intuitive, and therefore make us depressed. Also there seemed to be the same amount of people responding with anxiety issues. I find very interesting the people with OCD, motor tics, and social anxiety have responded as I have had all of hese before and only 3% of the population has ever suffered from social anxiety. So clearly are over and psycho-analyzation cause a great deal of stress for us as a type and with our natural tendency to slip into a depressive state, most of our thoughts, theories, and observations come to us in a negative form. A negative state of mind. I find this very enlightening. Our thinking capabilites stress us out to the point we experience symptoms of mental disorders. Fascinating. And I found EyeSeeCold's perspective on intelligence informative and helpful to say the least.

jchazardous. I found your questions useful for thought and covered well the ground for INTP types. You will have to excuse me if I fail to reply directly as I have to get about what I'm procrastinating about outside. Your question above I can't resist though.

I'm going to guess what you call "over-thinking" is not over at all. It doesn't cause depression and withdrawal. Instead it's a symptom of isolation. Nothing wrong with INTP's thinking. They are good at it. So they overcompensate. Keep thinking and you may be able to use it some day. (I do on this very forum.) INTP's are noted for poor Si and Fe (getting data to interpret and socialization skills.) That is what causes depression. (A form of feeling failure.) The depression is caused by an absence of something, not the presence of something.

As an example, my wife just tapped me on the shoulder wanting me to go out to the mall. I rudely rejected her with a shrug as I wanted to stay home doing an introvert's thing. Now I feel badly I did that. Such is the introvert's fate. If she returns happy I will feel good.

How's that for a try at psychoanalysis?

 

[BigApplePi]

Hmm. In a way, the need to structure and categorize everything is a form of control, not on the outer world, but the inner one. When we can't control what is happening to us we begin to think of all the negative possibilities, all that can and will go wrong, continuing on a down-spiral path to depression.

For withdrawal, it is almost the same thing, I think we feel powerless against the outer world and begin to think of all the bad outcomes. Thus we lose confidence in our actions which affects our immediacy and initiative.

EyeSeeCold. Right on. Good confirmation as to what I was just saying to jchazardous. Structure and categorizing the inner world is a form of mastery. Much of my life had been a failure to deal with the outer world. Now having straddled BOTH worlds, I'm pleased to have learned something of the outer world. I will be happy to bring it back to my inner world and take the outer world as a challenge I can get some support in because I've made an entry. This forum, believe it or not, is a social one of sorts. I enjoy sharing if I can even if it is limited.

 

[Fukyo]

You seem to be the most developed and matured out of any of those who answered this thread in your responsiblity in the outer world by meeting your actually existing goals and by following this philoshophy. I find it contains too much information for me to decipher, however, and I'd really appreciate it if you could answer me one question on this matter to clarify my thoughts. Why? For what purpose when it seems pointless and irrelevant?

Worldview dominant with an auxiliary directive function.

vs.

Tertiary worldview function with inferior directive function.

 

[Dormouse]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

If possible, I do things one bit at a time. Switching topics also seems to help me stay focused. Also, think ahead. I have difficulty finishing tasks I haven't fully planned out, disorganisation seems to lead to distraction.

2. What is your IQ?

Average, dur.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

No.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Yes, though I see nothing exceptional about this.

5. What insecurities do you have?

None whatsoever, other than the mind-numbingly obvious.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

Something in between. A relationship that is deep, but which extends only so far as to consume a small portion of my life. have a different set of friends at school than I do outside of it, for example.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

A sense of humour. Honestly, I take nothing seriously, and anyone incapable of realizing that comes to hating me.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

Stuff. It changes.

9. What are your goals in life?

Eventually I'll find a way to balance art and science.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

We're here for a good time, not a long time.

... I can quote some more cheesy tunes, if you need elaboration.

 

[snafupants]

- procrastination subtly leads me away from dogged, soul eroding schedules. the dearth of positive feelings stemming from achieving a goal before schedule, promptly completing chores, and generally staying on top of life dissuade me from working early and consistently to meet assignments.
- typically scores are within five points of one forty. diffuse test theories, clinically selected subtests, points in time, administrations, interpretations, personal extenuating circumstances, and ongoing neuroplasticity make generalizations to the individual, group, or nation dubious.
- schizoid personality disorder is a shoo in among the overwhelming and growing number of DSM-IV possibilities. dysthymia also sort of resonates with me. these disorders should be viewed with an eye for their ability to hinder emotional, intellectual, social, and occupational functioning though and not as this weird nosological, categorical model that the APA peddles.
- psychoanalyze people? absolutely! the key to being able to do this well is to ask coy, intersperced, yet probing questions and, above all, make the subject feel like s/he is in control of the situation. if they have that ego boost and faux comfort, the probability that they will divulge a juicy, mewed secret goes way up. however, as anthile was saying, people are incomprehensible and fickle, so ultimately its a crapshoot, a crapshoot where you can tilt the table though.

thats all for now. those were interesting questions though; the remaining questions will be completed later. *wipes sweat from brow and slips in a pizza*

 

[SpaceYeti]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

-I haven't. I mean, I have a "chore day" every week, but I procrastinate even then. I don't really know how to stop. I just make sure to do things before it's too late, and that works.

2. What is your IQ?

-Irrelevant. How I reason is what matters.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

-ADD.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

-Yes, but I don't share my conclusions with others very often.

5. What insecurities do you have?

-I have a lot of hair on my lower back, and it doesn't look very good. I want to get it lasered off. Also, I fear I'll be unable to find a job outside of the military, and the military is pretty SJ. I adapted to it, but it's not very comfortable.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

-Deep relationships are easily the funnest. The problem is finding people who also like deep instead of plentiful.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

-I mostly look for people who I simply get along with and who don't mind my seemingly random mentioning of how that argument I had earlier annoyed me because simple physics dictate the other guy was wrong and I don't understand how they didn't understand that. People who don't mind sharing in a fantasy, who don't mind hypothetical questions, and, when considering romantic relationships, they don't mind my peculiar and demanding tastes.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

-Internet, masturbate, write, read, watch stuff, plan for my D&D campaign, sleep, eat, etc...

9. What are your goals in life?

-I've always found this to be an odd question. I take life day by day, what kind of goals should I have? I mean, I want to do right by my kid and fiance, I want to remain rational and keep my mind in old age. That's pretty much it.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

-Reasoning. Reality is bigger than you, so don't fool yourself into thinking things are how you like them without reason.

 

[SQ_Minion]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

I haven't managed to deal. I've relied solely on intelligence and luck to get me through school, much to my parent's dismay (just the one; my father doesn't give a crap about my grades).

2. What is your IQ?

I've only taken an IQ test once, in fourth grade. I think it was 140-something, but the administrator was distracted the entire time, and so I doubt the accuracy of that test.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Schizoid tendencies.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Yes, I have, and this has caused arguments to turn into flame wars.

5. What insecurities do you have?

I can't particularly think of any, though I realize my social awkwardness.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

I don't seek any sort of relationship. If it happens, it happens; but I don't search for such things.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

My friendships--none of them close--are based on humor and shared interests, and these topics dominate the conversation.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

The Internet.

9. What are your goals in life?

To be generally content. I could see myself being happy in numerous occupations and situations--being a monk in a monastery in the mountains; being a janitor for an inner-city school; being a homeless heroin addict; living on a private island miles away from humanity.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

I don't know.

 

[jchazardous]

I'm having a really hard time organizing my thoughts on this subject so I'm going to write them down for someone else to analyze them for me.

Hmm. In a way, the need to structure and categorize everything is a form of control, not on the outer world, but the inner one. When we can't control what is happening to us we begin to think of all the negative possibilities, all that can and will go wrong, continuing on a down-spiral path to depression.

For withdrawal, it is almost the same thing, I think we feel powerless against the outer world and begin to think of all the bad outcomes. Thus we lose confidence in our actions which affects our immediacy and initiative.

So when adversely affected but our outside environment, we begin to try to control it in our inner world. However, as we already feel threatened we think negatively and this increases anxiety and depression. So why do we suddenly experience this flaw on our rationalization process? Could our anxious thinking be a way to prepare ourselfves for the worst possible outcomes and control the uncontrolable?

So we already feel isolated whether by rejection or unaccomplishment and to compensate for this we prepare ourselves for anything worse. Try to gain control of our situation. Is that what you're trying to say?

I'm going to guess what you call "over-thinking" is not over at all. It doesn't cause depression and withdrawal. Instead it's a symptom of isolation. Nothing wrong with INTP's thinking. They are good at it. So they overcompensate. Keep thinking and you may be able to use it some day. (I do on this very forum.) INTP's are noted for poor Si and Fe (getting data to interpret and socialization skills.) That is what causes depression. (A form of feeling failure.) The depression is caused by an absence of something, not the presence of something.

What you're saying is our thinking capabilities don't make us depressed, but our negative outlook influences it. So the negative stimuli or insecurities from the outer world affects our perception negatively. This seems too simplistic. It should affect other types just as much if it were true. Where is the uniqueness?

Other types experience isolation through introversion and procrastination and unaccomplishment through perceiving. We have the worst two traits for optimism out of the four rationals by having both I and P but we aren't alone in this. So why is it we seem to be more depressed and anxious than other types? Our thinking capabilities with NT take a wrong turn somewhere along the line and become negatively influenced by our environment. Intuition seems perfect for anxious thought process because we can easily intuit wrong. I'm unsure as to the thinking preference though.

They are good at it. So they overcompensate. Keep thinking and you may be able to use it some day. (I do on this very forum.) INTP's are noted for poor Si and Fe (getting data to interpret and socialization skills.)

But from this I get a sense of what I was saying. We isolate ourselves due to overcompensation of our thought process or in simpler terms overthinking.

And Si= getting data from our external world to interpret? I thought that was Se.

 

[jchazardous]

Worldview dominant with an auxiliary directive function.

vs.

Tertiary worldview function with inferior directive function.

Do explain.

 

[Dansk]

Why? For what purpose when it seems pointless and irrelevant?

Because as crazy as it seems, the alternative is even crazier.

 

[Fukyo]

Do explain.

Do read up on a forum's subject before you dive into it.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

So when adversely affected but our outside environment, we begin to try to control it in our inner world. However, as we already feel threatened we think negatively and this increases anxiety and depression. So why do we suddenly experience this flaw on our rationalization process? Could our anxious thinking be a way to prepare ourselfves for the worst possible outcomes and control the uncontrolable?

Well I think the reason why we seek control(knowledge) in the first place is because we fear the outside world. I have read some studies on early psychological development in babies and it seems that ambivalence towards and from parents causes the infant to be unsure of the world. And so the child fends and develops on his own, feeling detached from not only his parental figures, but the world at large. Thus we enter adolescence and adulthood with an already instilled sense of skepticism, using our natural curiosity to gain as much information about the world as we can.

So when things start to get out of control, our negative thoughts are no longer kept at bay as they have been by our skeptical attitude; when one of our fears(or negative thoughts) are coming true they all seem to have the same probability of coming true. The anxious thinking is a last ditch effort to rationalize the inner world: a struggle for power between the known and the unknown, what we can control and what we cannot.

Do read up on a forum's subject before you dive into it.

I found your post pretty ambiguous myself, it wouldn't hurt to rephrase.

Worldview dominant with an auxiliary directive function.

vs.

Tertiary worldview function with inferior directive function.

J and P functions are paired in dom/aux and ter/inf. Your post is contradictory.
Is your definition of worldview Fi and Ti?

 

[Fukyo]

I found your post pretty ambiguous myself, it wouldn't hurt to rephrase.?

Anthile, whom the OP quotes as having a more developed worldview in comparison to the rest of the people who responded to this thread is a Ni dominant. Assuming the others who answered were INTPs (or at least not directive types) and that everyone involved has approximately the same or similar level of cognitive development, it should be expected that an individual with a dominant worldview function will have a more "developed" worldview than an individual with a tertiary worldview function. In actuality, it is just more set and definite, not necessarily more developed if we look at it using standards other than typological ones.

Wasn't that obvious?

 

[jchazardous]

Well I think the reason why we seek control(knowledge) in the first place is because we fear the outside world. I have read some studies on early psychological development in babies and it seems that ambivalence towards and from parents causes the infant to be unsure of the world. And so the child fends and develops on his own, feeling detached from not only his parental figures, but the world at large. Thus we enter adolescence and adulthood with an already instilled sense of skepticism, using our natural curiosity to gain as much information about the world as we can.

So when things start to get out of control, our negative thoughts are no longer kept at bay as they have been by our skeptical attitude; when one of our fears(or negative thoughts) are coming true they all seem to have the same probability of coming true. The anxious thinking is a last ditch effort to rationalize the inner world: a struggle for power between the known and the unknown, what we can control and what we cannot.

Is this true of our type specifically or the population affected by such ambivalence as a whole? I'm assuming the unkown and uncontrollable is what we fear. But what you seem to be saying is that our anxious thinking is benefical to us because otherwise we believe all our fears have an equal possibility of coming true. So in fact our type is entirely phobic, but we have learned to use our introverted thinking to quell these fears. Are we simply born to be an anxious type? And is the only possible way to cease our fears by gaining knowledge of the world to rationalize and control it as we have learned or are there other ways to manage this?

 

[jchazardous]

Anthile, whom the OP quotes as having a more developed worldview in comparison to the rest of the people who responded to this thread is a Ni dominant. Assuming the others who answered were INTPs (or at least not directive types) and that everyone involved has approximately the same or similar level of cognitive development, it should be expected that an individual with a dominant worldview function will have a more "developed" worldview than an individual with a tertiary worldview function. In actuality, it is just more set and definite, not necessarily more developed if we look at it using standards other than typological ones.

Wasn't that obvious?

Ah I thought he was an INTP like us. I'm sorry for the confusion. I simply read how he dealt with his procrastination and how his worldview seemed better suited for dealing with the external world and assumed he had a greater level of cognitive development. But if what you say is true and he is in actuality another type I assume their might not be as much to learn from his experiences as I had hoped although there is certainly information which he has shared that has been beneficial. I didn't mean to insult you or are type as a whole. We would obviously have a greater development in certain functions than he would if we do indeed all share a similar level of development. I'm sure you can see the misunderstanding and I apologize if you took any offense.

 

[snafupants]

^ think of fukyo as you would a rabid dog who circles the city dump after hours feverishly looking for sustenance. if he cannot find sustenance, he will settle for excitement. cujo would be a more apt name for this very special member on our tour of the forum. watch your hands.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Anthile, whom the OP quotes as having a more developed worldview in comparison to the rest of the people who responded to this thread is a Ni dominant.

Wasn't that obvious?

I don't consider Ni a world view function, which is why it was confusing. Is this Adymus' work?

Is this true of our type specifically or the population affected by such ambivalence as a whole? I'm assuming the unkown and uncontrollable is what we fear. But what you seem to be saying is that our anxious thinking is benefical to us because otherwise we believe all our fears have an equal possibility of coming true. So in fact our type is entirely phobic, but we have learned to use our introverted thinking to quell these fears. Are we are simply born to be an anxious type? And is the only possible way to cease our fears by gaining knowledge of the world to rationalize and control it as we have learned or are there other ways to manage this?

Ambivalence has its own archetype for human development, though I don't remember the other possible MBTI types that result from it. There are still some discrepancies between nature and nurture, but you can at least say anxiety and curiosity are our dispositions. In the studies, babies with explicit positive nurturing tend to be less skeptic and more assured, thus resulting in more proactive behavior later in life. I'm stretching it here, but this could possibly be why firstborns are stereotypically the most productive, they received total attention from their parents.

If you view the world through logic, I think you could only be assured if you understood things through reason or at least experience. We only fear what we don't know, therefore if we have experience, an understanding of how things really are, then our fears could dissolve. Logic and experience, Ti and Se, either one will help you overcome your fears.

 

[Fukyo]

Ah I thought he was an INTP like us. I'm sorry for the confusion. I simply read how he dealt with his procrastination and how his worldview seemed better suited for dealing with the external world and assumed he had a greater level of cognitive development. But if what you say is true and he is in actuality another type I assume their might not be as much to learn from his experiences as I had hoped although there is certainly information which he has shared that has been beneficial. I didn't mean to insult you or are type as a whole. We would obviously have a greater development in certain functions than he would if we do indeed all share a similar level of development. I'm sure you can see the misunderstanding and I apologize if you took any offense.

I wasn't offended, just sick and tired of having the explain the same over and over again.

I don't consider Ni a world view function, which is why it was confusing. Is this Adymus' work?

It has theoretical similarities.

 

[jchazardous]

I don't consider Ni a world view function, which is why it was confusing. Is this Adymus' work?


Ambivalence has its own archetype for human development, though I don't remember the other possible MBTI types that result from it. There are still some discrepancies between nature and nurture, but you can at least say anxiety and curiosity are our dispositions. In the studies, babies with explicit positive nurturing tend to be less skeptic and more assured, thus resulting in more proactive behavior later in life. I'm stretching it here, but this could possibly be why firstborns are stereotypically the most productive, they received total attention from their parents.

If you view the world through logic, I think you could only be assured if you understood things through reason or at least experience. We only fear what we don't know, therefore if we have experience, an understanding of how things really are, then our fears could dissolve. Logic and experience, Ti and Se, either one will help you overcome your fears.

I'm first born and I'm far less productive than my younger brother. I do believe my younger brother received greater attention as a child however so your theory could indeed be true. He is INTJ.

I have found that experience or Si has been the greatest asset to overcoming my fears and becoming more rational in circumstances similar to it in the future. My Ti was used to learn from these experiences however so I suppose they both had an equal role. However, it would seem to me this would be the only way to overcome your fears as unless you step into the unknown and learn from it you can't truly understand the fear enough to feel comfortable with it in the future. I'm guessing this is exactly would you mean though. That there wouldn't be any other ways for INTPs to lose their fears. What would be the way another type would overcome such adversities though?

Also, as I'm new to the MBTI I'm curious how Ne and Fe take form in us. What I've noticed from ridding myself of social anxiety is through Si I gained social experience which I then used to add information to my previous opinions (is this Ne?) and rationalize a greater understanding (Ti). With this new information I found my ability to manipulate other people's feelings and understand them to dramatically increase (Fe).

Would you say I'm correct in stating how I used these functions? If so then this is very helpful in overcoming any other anxieties and insecurities I might find myself holding on to in the future. And what other ways might we use them besides socially? Also how can I improve these functions?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

What would be the way another type would overcome such adversities though?

It depends, everyone has different manifestations of fears. Se types are not prone to over-speculating, so they do not usually fear the unknown.

Also, as I'm new to the MBTI I'm curious how Ne and Fe take form in us. What I've noticed from ridding myself of social anxiety is through Si I gained social experience which I then used to add information to my previous opinions (is this Ne?) and rationalize a greater understanding (Ti). With this new information I found my ability to manipulate other people's feelings and understand them to dramatically increase (Fe).

Experience (Se)->filter and store->Recall (Si)->Analyze (Ti)->hypothesize(Ne)->Test (Se)->Understand (Ti)->Apply (Ne).

We never really mature in Fe enough to manipulate other people through it, it is indirectly used through Ne.

And what other ways might we use them besides socially? Also how can I improve these functions?

You can only improve through continued use.

There are tons of ways that function hierarchy can be interpreted. This may be helpful so I don't have to type a wall of text. I'd be willing to really go in to detail if you want personalize this discussion.

 

[jchazardous]

It depends, everyone has different manifestations of fears. Se types are not prone to over-speculating, so they do not usually fear the unknown.

Experience (Se)->filter and store->Recall (Si)->Analyze (Ti)->hypothesize(Ne)->Test (Se)->Understand (Ti)->Apply (Ne).

We never really mature in Fe enough to manipulate other people through it, it is indirectly used through Ne.

There are tons of ways that function hierarchy can be interpreted. This may be helpful so I don't have to type a wall of text. I'd be willing to really go in to detail if you want personalize this discussion.

It's interesting you say such types wouldn't generall suffer from anxiety because I have an ESFP friend/ex-girlfriend who often did. I wonder how she would go about conquering such fears.

If we never really use our Fe to that depth does it manifest simply as enthusiasm? And how would one see Fe being used in an ENTP as their tertiary function?

I thought INTPs could only use Se under stress. But it seems you can gain experience through Se even without such. Is it then possible to develop a function not natural to ourselves? For instance, could we develop extraverted thinking to the point where we would be able to not procrastinate?

I know I'm full of questions but I absolutely adore learning everything I can. haha If it wouldn't be any trouble I'd definitely enjoy you going into detail but I'll also read everything from the link you provided.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

It's interesting you say such types wouldn't generall suffer from anxiety because I have an ESFP friend/ex-girlfriend who often did. I wonder how she would go about conquering such fears.

There are different manifestations of anxiety. My ISFJ friend started having panic attacks near the end of school because he was losing the stability and comfort he established for over 3 years, relating to dominant Si, with the uncertain future he started thinking of the worst(Ne) and broke down. Everyone wants to control their life, it's just a matter of internal/external and their personal methods for doing so. We are all scared of our PoLR. I think hanging around your ESFP friend might actually help her a lot(and you too) since you are both complementary.

If we never really use our Fe to that depth does it manifest simply as enthusiasm? And how would one see Fe being used in an ENTP as their tertiary function?

Pretty much, or acting/mimicking. With more experience you'll be able to reciprocate and express authentic feelings easier. Fe in the tertiary position, and this is also true for ESTP, makes one unable to deal with the negative forms of Fe, but highly appreciative of the positive forms. They can reciprocate, but cannot create or stimulate Fe atmospheres. For example, tertiary Fe in a classroom would sit silently until other people start talking enthusiastically, then tertiary Fe jumps in and outdoes everyone else in Fe expression.

I thought INTPs could only use Se under stress. But it seems you can gain experience through Se even without such. Is it then possible to develop a function not natural to ourselves? For instance, could we develop extraverted thinking to the point where we would be able to not procrastinate?

No. Your conscious functions are the only ones you are able to develop, TiNeSiFe. The other 4 are there, but are unconscious. You have to make an effort to use them each time. However, the more aware you are of when you need them and your capabilities the easier you can apply yourself.

 

[jchazardous]

There are different manifestations of anxiety. My ISFJ friend started having panic attacks near the end of school because he was losing the stability and comfort he established for over 3 years, relating to dominant Si, with the uncertain future he started thinking of the worst(Ne) and broke down. Everyone wants to control their life, it's just a matter of internal/external and their personal methods for doing so. We are all scared of our PoLR. I think hanging around your ESFP friend might actually help her a lot(and you too) since you are both complementary.

Pretty much, or acting/mimicking. With more experience you'll be able to reciprocate and express authentic feelings easier. Fe in the tertiary position, and this is also true for ESTP, makes one unable to deal with the negative forms of Fe, but highly appreciative of the positive forms. They can reciprocate, but cannot create or stimulate Fe atmospheres. For example, tertiary Fe in a classroom would sit silently until other people start talking enthusiastically, then tertiary Fe jumps in and outdoes everyone else in Fe expression.

It's really interesting you say we'd be complementary because I know we are but every site I've been to says the only relationships an INTP will really appreciate are with other intuitives. We actually had a very long and productive relationship and learned alot from each other and are still friends afterward. But I don't see what the connection is between introverted thinking and extraverted sensing. But would being scared of our Fe make us fear... social interaction? And what would a PoLR of Si make you fear? Remembering the past? lol

So really all we can do with our Fe is connect with the emotional atmosphere and share the experience or generate enthusiasm. Or are we unable to generate any emotion? By negative emotions I forms I assume you mean depression, anger, etc. So it seems have Fe as a tertiary function does nothing more than increase the enthusiasm one is able to generate than an indiviual having it as their inferior.

 

[BigApplePi]

What you're saying is our thinking capabilities don't make us depressed, but our negative outlook influences it. So the negative stimuli or insecurities from the outer world affects our perception negatively. This seems too simplistic. It should affect other types just as much if it were true. Where is the uniqueness?

I think what I'm trying to say is in order to not be depressed, one must have an adequate balance between the outer world and the inner one. INTP's may or may not have that balance but they are more prone to lack outer world input. An INTP may not even realize what he is missing if he's inexperienced. One can think all they want but one needs proper input data. Sure. Negative stimuli from the outer world don't help any, so seek positive ones. Not sure about other types but I would think this applies to introverted people.

Here's an example. I can read a movie review and think over the possibilities as much as I want. But unless I'm imaginative enough to recreate the movie I'm not going to enjoy my thought nearly as much as if I actually see the movie.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

It's really interesting you say we'd be complementary because I know we are but every site I've been to says the only relationships an INTP will really appreciate are with other intuitives. We actually had a very long and productive relationship and learned alot from each other and are still friends afterward.

Everyone has their own interpretation of intertype relationships. My view, which is that of Socionics typology and personal experience, is that ESFP and INTP can let their guards down around and give mutual help to each other. In my experience, I instinctively felt like a father to my ESFP friend(girlfriend??). My strongest point was her weak unconscious point, so I naturally(i.e. subconsciously) identified and took care of that area without asking for anything in return. In the same way, she dissolved my fears of the outer world. I became a highly confident and outgoing person when she was around. I have similar experiences with my ESFP sister, but not as much because of familial distancing.

But I don't see what the connection is between introverted thinking and extraverted sensing.

The connection is that Ti is objective analysis and understanding. Se is subjective experience and understanding. If you're observing from the sidelines, how do you know what it feels like to really play?

But would being scared of our Fe make us fear... social interaction? And what would a PoLR of Si make you fear? Remembering the past? lol

Our PoLR is Se. Our regular weak point is Fe. The former is more sensitive to criticism. Fe PoLR means completely being avoidant to all forms of emotional expressions, possibly hating it. Note: INTJs and ISTJs have Fe PoLR. So yeah avoidant personality could result from Fe PoLR.

Si deals with comfort, pleasure, relaxing, physical upkeep, "atmospheric structure", and the past. So I guess Si PoLR would dislike exercise, "free time", and the holidays (think Scrooge).

So really all we can do with our Fe is connect with the emotional atmosphere and share the experience or generate enthusiasm. Or are we unable to generate any emotion? By negative emotions I forms I assume you mean depression, anger, etc. So it seems have Fe as a tertiary function does nothing more than increase the enthusiasm one is able to generate than an indiviual having it as their inferior.

Of course we can generate authentic emotion, though without experience, the extremes would need to be because of something big. It took a heartbreak, graduation and 3 months out of high school for all of my pent up feelings to come out. I can say I've only ever really experienced true happiness and sadness a few times. Otherwise my Fe is just there so I can still call myself human, lol.

Yes. A tertiary function is kind of hedonistic in nature, it can't help other people because the person has limited control of it himself.

 

[Jack.is]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

Ha, right. The most I've done, and only recently, is to compile a short check-list of things I should get done around the house at some time every day or once a week; without that I would probably forget or put it off entirely. But, in general, unless I'm fascinated, many things go undone.

2. What is your IQ?

I've never taken a real IQ test that I can remember. The gimmicky online ones usually gave a number in the high 120s, but they're a pain to go through and I haven't bothered in the last few years.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

I was once diagnosed with "Personality Disorder Not Otherwise Specified with Passive-Aggressive and Avoidant Tendencies". I don't believe this reflects my normal or current state, since, at the time of diagnosis, I was under significant stress while in Navy basic training. That it is a "Personality Disorder Not Otherwise Specified . . ." and not "Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder" and "Avoidant Personality Disorder" suggests that I was not at a neurotic level in either of those aspects. I have not had therapy or medication for this and have led an uneventful, more-or-less content life after separation from the Navy due to this diagnosis.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Occasionally, but I more often speculate in general on points of psychology rather than analyzing certain people. I'm not sure whether that's a normal tendency or it's because I don't get out enough.

5. What insecurities do you have?

I'm still not sure I'm really an INTP despite regularly re-testing and getting that result (trying not to bias my answers in favor of the type) and my failure to relate to the abstracts/profiles of other personality types.

I also struggle with a certain sense of caring about what others think of me. I get the idea that I shouldn't care, but also that I should. Of course I try to rationalize this and find sensible reasons to care about others' opinions of or reactions to me, but in the end I still feel more conscientious than I think I should be.

I sometimes feel like I should have developed some sort of well-defined personal philosophy and moral code by now. I like the idea of having one to refer to instead of debating such things with myself from scratch, but I'm never really motivated enough. Claiming Taoism is a rather convenient excuse not to form such a structure. :P

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

Of course I run into acquaintances, but I wish for more deep relationships, or, rather, deeper relationships with people I already like. I have the same issue as the OP: Can't really get into a hook-up without being intrigued by the person. I can do it anyway, but it won't be satisfying (I don't mean sex, but the whole process of whatever we do).

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship

Mostly not being idiotic.

and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Academic subjects we share knowledge on, things idiots in our lives have said or done recently, fascinating speculations on anything and everything, and contrived word games. And sometimes our feelings for each other. I have an INTP friend (with whom I have discussions such as I described) who does this:

-I tend to talk about issues in life and try to solve other's problems for them while still remaining empathetic for feeling types.

And while I sometimes feel compelled to advise others on their issues like that, I almost always stay out of it because I know that the person will try to involve me long after I've lost interest.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

In no particular order:

- Waste time on IRC, regularly fretting that I have too many IRC channels open to properly pay attention to.
- Keep up with forums, regularly wondering if I should cut some of them out for the same reason.
- Practice some sort of odd, free-style, baton twirling / contact juggling with a stick that I've been doing lately.
- Typeracer
- Play the bass guitar
- Reading
- Gaming
- Trying to find reasons to get out of the house

9. What are your goals in life?

I wish I knew. I'm not even sure what my passion is now. I would have said "IT" before, though, while I can still be good at it, this stint in tech support may have destroyed any real motivation I had to develop my knowledge in this field.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

I still struggle with a bit of existential despair. I usually manage to ignore it though. I say that I see life as a game with no lasting importance, which really is odd because I'm usually not having fun and I don't actually do whatever I want to in keeping with such a philosophy. I think I like Taoist philosophy but I'm not sure I fully understand it yet. Overall, just as I haven't found my passion, I'm still not sure what I'm doing here, so I'm just cruising along, doing what needs to be done.

 

[Polaris]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

Uhm.....I haven't. Somehow I still seem to get certain things done, though. Such as handing assignments in the last minute, getting to lectures only five minutes late, and hitting stupid targets at work. I have recently gotten another job where I am supposed to plan things......how on Earth did I get that job.......

-I've managed to fall back a grade, still don't do homework, and can't seem to get my head out of anything I'm interested in. I'd REALLY love advice on this.

Hmmm. Sounds too familiar. You can still "function" though. In an intp'ish sort of way.......

2. What is your IQ?

Bleurgh.....I'd rather not know.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Haven't been diagnosed with anything lately. I'm cronically self-critical.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

Not sure about psycho-analysing. I try to understand people and give them some slack.

5. What insecurities do you have?

Socially awkward. I am strangely confident in academic matters, though.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

I do not actively seek relationships, unless I'm very intrigued. That happens once in a blue moon. I avoid superficial relationships, but tend to avoid really deep ones too........... I'm actually not quite sure what you mean by deep relationships, the word "deep" puts me off. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that I prefer genuine relationships that are yet not too emotionally demanding.

Waffle-waffle....see how uncomfortable I get....?

I try to strategize and climb the ranks in day-to-day relationships but I crave depth. I can't even enjoy the ocassional hook up without feeling intellectually stimulated by the other person. I need to understand/love them to enjoy them.

Aha. Intellectual stimulation is rather important, but is that deep.....don't know. Understanding is essential for flow of conversation. I care about people. Love.....don't know, that's tricky.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

I try to be open, but I am more attracted to quirky, arty, intellectual, eccentric types. Many F-types. I am fond of topics like science, spirituality, politics, ethics, art, literature, psychology, sociology, etc, etc, etc......it goes on and on.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

Apart from procrastinating, read, write, study, go for walks/drives, cook, think too much............

9. What are your goals in life?

It's complex. I used to be driven. Now I question.....everything. To be at peace with the world and people close to me seems to be something I have to work towards. Or I could just choose to be right now. There is resistance.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

That would be about three pages long, so I'll spare everyone. Too complex, and I'm falling asleep. I sometimes plan to write some great big thing and whack it on here, but........it seems so pointless.


Sorry, lost the drive...........


*goes back to procrastinating*

 

[_whispers_]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

I haven`t. I always do things at the last minute... unless I`m under a lot of pressure and have tons of things to do. In that case things might even be done in advance. (e.g.: situation that can threaten my way of life)

2. What is your IQ?

Don`t know.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Nope.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

No. For the most part I just go with whatever my intuition tells me about them and quietly gather information. I only start analyzing them when they do something uncharacteristic or show that they are worth the effort in some way.

5. What insecurities do you have?

I don`t feel smart enough. I don`t feel stupid compared to other people, I can hold my end in a debate, I am quick to understand things... but I definitely think that I lack some of that grey substance.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

I seek... entertainment? fun? distractions? Pick one. But I guess they would fall more under the acquaintances category, because I can go to a person introduce myself, talk to them everyday at school/work/group, but I would never be bothered enough to invite them out or get to know them outside the place we`ve met.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

The people around me are people that share an interest of mine. My friends are people I can trust with my emotions. I`ve never been in a relationship. Ok, I think right now there`s a person that believes he is in a relationship with me, but no. I live on one night stands and for those I don`t need anything, but physical attraction.


8. What do you do in your spare time?

Read, chat, listen to music, write, waste time...

9. What are your goals in life?

My goal is to find my goal. Does that make sense? I don`t see the point in life... which is kind of depressing... so I try to do what everyone else does and concentrate on the things that I find at least remotely interesting.


10. What is your world view and take on life?

I accept things as they are, always expecting the worst, but never really believing that it might happen. But in case it does happen I`m prepared for it, since I was already expecting it.
Not having any expectations, because they might end up in big disappointments.


I was going to share my opinion on those things you were discussing, but then I figured it's not something I've experienced and whatever I come up with I woun`t be willing to defend it for long. Kind of don`t feel like a part of the type, but when you peel away all the layers I'm very much an INTP. Just tend to operate in the "consumer friendly INTP" mode most of the time

 

[Jennywocky]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?
Make lists and plans, anchor things into the timeline; check them off when accomplished. Then I can just do them, rather than think about doing them.

Also, do your work first. Then play.

2. What is your IQ?
140-150

3. Do you have a mental disorder?
I hate the terminology, but I've dealt with clinical depression, social anxiety, and something else which I'd rather not say.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?
Tendency? More like obsession... although I'm very open to changing my assessments when they give me new information.

5. What insecurities do you have?
When I don't have information, I tend to get paranoid -- one area being in terms of whether people like/accept me or not. I can't just assume I am liked or wanted, I need some barebones reinforcement.
I also doubt myself a lot.
And I fear rejection.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?
Deep relationships, without a doubt. I've developed some "acquaintances" lately as part of my trying to establish some relationships with less energy investment.

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?
Open, kind, smart, and accepting of me.
Creativity and humor is a plus.

8. What do you do in your spare time?
Read, write, music, hike, walk, movies, arts

9. What are your goals in life?
Currently reevaluating, after achieving one of my goals. I need to pick a new one.

10. What is your world view and take on life?
Life is ambiguous and uncertain, but also mysterious and beautiful. It is meant to be explored and experienced, and while understanding is impossible to achieve, the more I know, the more I feel good about my life.
It's also meant to be spent with people I love and who love me.

 

[jchazardous]

Our PoLR is Se. Our regular weak point is Fe. The former is more sensitive to criticism. Fe PoLR means completely being avoidant to all forms of emotional expressions, possibly hating it. Note: INTJs and ISTJs have Fe PoLR. So yeah avoidant personality could result from Fe PoLR.

Of course we can generate authentic emotion, though without experience, the extremes would need to be because of something big. It took a heartbreak, graduation and 3 months out of high school for all of my pent up feelings to come out. I can say I've only ever really experienced true happiness and sadness a few times. Otherwise my Fe is just there so I can still call myself human, lol.

Well I've experienced emotions quite often. I have cried alot in the last few months and have experienced extreme happiness multiple times also. I used to have extreme anger issues until just recently and I don't experience them at all anymore. So I'm questioning whether I'm E or INTP. If an INTP's PoLR is Se which makes him afraid of the outer world (and this does seem to explain me) then what would be an ENTP's?


@BigApplePi- Yes, this seems to correlate very well with what EyeSeeCold said in his 31st post about using our functions to experiment with the outside world.

@Jennywocky- You're insecurities seem to be very similar to mine in the lst few months. I have to say what I've found though psychoanalyzation of others to see if this was true is that more often than not the other person feels the same way though maybe not to the same extreme. And with out intelligence and rationalization we actually have an incredible advantage over others. What I did was gain an artificial cockiness although not arrogance, then when I felt comfortable enough to actually believe it I calmed the pride down and humbled myself enough to where I could feel at an equal level. I still have reminants of the insecurity but that's all they really are anymore. Now if I feel worried I realize my advantage.

I find it so curious that even when I have pride in who I am I still feel insecure when uner judgement of others. It doesn't seem to make sense.

 

[Fallenman]

1. How have you managed to deal with our predisposition to procrastinate?

I subconsciously allot myself enough time to finish a task just before the point of no return. Otherwise, schedules are pretty effective.

2. What is your IQ?

Above 120, as far as I can remember.

3. Do you have a mental disorder?

Nay.

4. Do you have a tendency to psycho-analyze people?

I used to. Then after I met a great deal more people, I found that people have a great many commonalities that makes them on the whole less interesting.

5. What insecurities do you have?

My inability to be decisive.

6. Do you generally seek deep relationships or just acquaintances?

Both. At any one point I need at least one deep relationship, and acquaintances are a dime a dozen. (social capital is by far the most important capital in a persons possession).

7. What do you find attractive in other people for friendships or a relationship and what do you generally talk about with those closest to you?

Intelligence and/or humor. If you have neither, you're crap out of luck. But I've found that I have a greater appreciation for people who have an exceptional insight into the human psychology.

8. What do you do in your spare time?

College-y stuff.

9. What are your goals in life?

To reach my full potential as far as I am able, and to be nothing short of spectacular.

10. What is your world view and take on life?

Help as many people as possible, prepare for the worst, expect nothing. Life never goes according to plan, it will only try your persistence to believe so. It's rarely the end of the world, only a change of course. Take solace from the little things, and enjoy the company of others, because after all.. we are social creatures.


I think depression is particularly damning for us because a hallmark of depression is dwelling on the negativity. As thinker's we may have a greater disposition towards thinking these thoughts. In my opinion though, depression is more easily dealt with when you interact with the outside world rather than neglect it. There's nothing quite so humanizing as being social.

 

[jchazardous]

@ Fallenman- Ah, now you seem to be the most adjusted to the outer world. No mental disorders are noticable, enjoy socializing although you don't see the fascination in it you used to, learning how to deal with procrastination, and having the goal of being the best you can. Care to share any life experiences that might have made these things happen for you?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

So I'm questioning whether I'm E or INTP. If an INTP's PoLR is Se which makes him afraid of the outer world (and this does seem to explain me) then what would be an ENTP's?

Fi, the function of close relations. I haven't had experience with enough ENTPs to know for sure, but I think they aren't good with letting people get close to them psychologically(and perhaps physically as well). From what I've read on sites, the generalizations seem to be that they socialize great when bouncing ideas around impersonally, but when it comes to people and relationships they are vulnerable and uncertain.

 

[jchazardous]

Fi, the function of close relations. I haven't had experience with enough ENTPs to know for sure, but I think they aren't good with letting people get close to them psychologically(and perhaps physically as well). From what I've read on sites, the generalizations seem to be that they socialize great when bouncing ideas around impersonally, but when it comes to people and relationships they are vulnerable and uncertain.

Oh no. This seems to be me as well. Maybe even more so. I have extreme trust issues. Not so much with feeling I may be cheated on but that people are lying to me or are treating me right to mess with my mind before they do something awful. That the have hidden intentions when they appear interested. I would have assumed these were just scars of social anxiety and isolation but would you care to go into greater detail as to what a PoLR of Se would exhibit other than simply fear of the outside world? What exactly do you mean by this?

In fact, often times when I attempt to psycho-analyze people I misinterpret and believe they don't want anything to do with me when in fact it's nothing of the sort and I make horrible mistakes because of this.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Oh no. This seems to be me as well. Maybe even more so. I have extreme trust issues. Not so much with feeling I may be cheated on but that people are lying to me or are treating me right to mess with my mind before they do something awful. That the have hidden intentions when they appear interested. I would have assumed these were just scars of social anxiety and isolation but would you care to go into greater detail as to what a PoLR of Se would exhibit other than simply fear of the outside world? What exactly do you mean by this?

Well maybe not fear as in phobic, but anxiety and avoidance. I'll keep it on a personal level so you can get more detail.

I don't like to fulfill my obligations to society, whenever I think of any process I have to go through I experience it in full in my mind and already I am exhausted. I'm hesitant to assert dominance over people even if it's required because I'm partly afraid of not knowing how they will react, I'd rather struggle to do things on my own. I am usually oblivious to what is going on around me, conversations, cars, clutter, people walking, if it's not in my field of vision...well, "out of sight out of mind". I don't know my own strength, I fear getting rough with other people in the event that I accidentally hurt someone.

Basically:

• I'm oblivious
• a klutz
• lazy, effort minimalist
• passive-aggressive

I have no problems with the area of Fi, I mean I'm not good at taking the initiative but I can easily sense when I'm close to someone and I know how to handle such matters. I would actually rather have deep relationships where I speak little than a superficial one with a lot of excitement and hype. It's not that I don't enjoy it, but because I am introverted I see extrovertedness as being "fake", I prefer Fi.

 

[jchazardous]

Well maybe not fear as in phobic, but anxiety and avoidance. I'll keep it on a personal level so you can get more detail.

I don't like to fulfill my obligations to society, whenever I think of any process I have to go through I experience it in full in my mind and already I am exhausted. I'm hesitant to assert dominance over people even if it's required because I'm partly afraid of not knowing how they will react, I'd rather struggle to do things on my own. I am usually oblivious to what is going on around me, conversations, cars, clutter, people walking, if it's not in my field of vision...well, "out of sight out of mind". I don't know my own strength, I fear getting rough with other people in the event that I accidentally hurt someone.

Basically:

• I'm oblivious
• a klutz
• lazy, effort minimalist
• passive-aggressive

I have no problems with the area of Fi, I mean I'm not good at taking the initiative but I can easily sense when I'm close to someone and I know how to handle such matters. I would actually rather have deep relationships where I speak little than superficial ones where I talk about stuff I don't care about.

Hmm. Based on your answer it appears I am an ENTP. I have no fear that I'm oblivious or a klutz. I do struggle with being lazy but am not afraid of it and being passive aggresive I can be completely alright with. Interesting. Like you though, I would rather have deep relationships than superficial ones although I am constantly worried about hidden intentions. What would this say about having an ESFP friend and now that I know I'm E what would be a better type for me to be friends with? And now that you mention it I have a horrible time worrying remembering all the good that's been done (Si?) when I'm worrying about relationships. It seems odd to me that an extrovert would fear people. How would Si manifest itself in me now?

In any case finding out so much about my introverted counterpart was very inciteful as I have experienced some of the same issues (isolation, shyness, social anxiety).

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Hmm. Based on your answer it appears I am an ENTP. I have no fear that I'm oblivious or a klutz. I do struggle with being lazy but am not afraid of it and being passive aggresive I can be completely alright with. Interesting. Like you though, I would rather have deep relationships than superficial ones although I am constantly worried about hidden intentions. What would this say about having an ESFP friend and now that I know I'm E what would be a better type for me to be friends with? And now that you mention it I have a horrible time worrying remembering all the good that's been done (Si?) when I'm worrying about relationships. It seems odd to me that an extrovert would fear people. How would Si manifest itself in me now?

In any case finding out so much about my introverted counterpart was very inciteful as I have experienced some of the same issues (isolation, shyness, social anxiety).

I don't want to go and say you're an ENTP, but it's possible. Extroverted doesn't necessarily mean sociable or outgoing. It just means that your energy is naturally directed outwards.

If you're really ENTP, then an ESFP would seem idealistic to you. Like they bear all the great qualities you wish you had yourself if life wasn't so demanding. I admit I secretly adore ISFPs, how they are so artistic and kindhearted. I've been wanting to be a hippie ever since I was first turned on to psychedelia. I also wish I could be more empathetic towards the world, but I'm a realist and sometimes you can't worry about everything. Here's a generalized description of an ENTP/ESFP relationship. For an ENTP, ISFP would be complementary as their leading function is Fi so you would directly know where you'd stand in a relationship.

Similar to INTPs, ENTPs loathe conforming and sameness. Note that the leading function is Ne, the area of new possibilities, ideas and connections. They are most likely to be completely unaware of longstanding social conventions(INTPs are aware, they just don't care to conform if it's irrational). They also may have problems with experiencing things on the inside, not taking in the pleasure of the moment and relaxing. Again I don't know many ENTPs, so I'm trying to stay within the confines of what I read so expect generalizations.

Lol.

ENFP PoLR: Ti (Hate being criticized for being "illogical and not thinking". When they try to impress other people, you can tell they have trouble with their logic. Bad with difficult math.

INFP PoLR: Se
Same as INTPs.

 

[jchazardous]

*Sigh* I definitely used to love enjoying debate and messing with people but I've gained too much concern for how I affect people to mess with them for no reason unless they are intentionally hurting or insulting me. I have become very understanding of others emotions as well as my own. So I feel somewhat hesitant to call myself either ATM could this possibly be the development of Fi in an ENFP? *sigh* You can see I've gone through a horrible struggle in typing myself. What would be the PoLR's in ENFP? I have such a poor understanding of myself. lol

 

[EyeSeeCold]

^ I've edited my post.

Don't worry about it so much. I can see you're trying to understand, which means you are at least either INTP, ENTP, or INFP. You say you think people have hidden motives so you aren't INFP. That leaves *NTP. You say you loved debating, but then started to worry about others' feelings. Sounds like NeTiFeSi. I don't care about others' feelings when I'm wrapped in a debate, I care about being logical and correct or maybe that's just me..