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Geminii

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Ya know, with current image recognition technology, it should theoretically be possible for a computer to learn to recognize every loose item around the house, or at least be able to classify it as "unknown; to be learned", and figure out how to pick it up, orient it, and return it to a given storage location.

It might not be fast, but something that pottered around the house for an hour or three every day picking things up and putting them away, even slowly, might be a useful addition to the Roomba and Scooba stables.

Of course, now I'm imagining a burglar turning a place over, and everything being back in place (and every surface scrubbed free of fingerprints) before the owners get home... although that might have to wait for a laundry solution which can separate, wash, dry, fold, and store - or at least fill a laundry basket, call a service, take the basket back, and shelve the folded clean clothes.
 

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I'd lose all my stuff is a robot was constantly putting it away. I'm actually feeling a little horrified at the idea of something constantly picking everything up. I'd love a maid to get to the actual cleaning cleaning chores, but someone going around and rearranging all my piles would freak me out.
 

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Presumably the robot would only ever put it back in the place you'd originally set for that item.

As a bonus, if you ever forgot, you could check the settings on your PC or even review the tagged video stream for the last time the robot identified a particular item and what it did with it.
 

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Same with me. When I have no interest in using something it's as if it doesn't exist for me, only when I need to use it do I direct my attention to the object. So sometimes I will taker an objective look at my room and realize it's all messy and that i haven't cleaned up in ages. But again that will only happen if my attention is called to it or i just happen to have some mind expanding thought, otherwise the everything in the room nonexistent until needed.
 

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Does anybody here enjoy chaos? Excuse my vagueness.
 

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:D This thread makes me smile.
 

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My room is always messy. But for the most part I know where things are that I use on a daily basis. Problems arise when someone tries to "clean" for me, someone moves something, or I dont use something consistently. In which case, it no longer exists in my field of vision and even if it is right in front of me it will take a while for me to find it. I suspect that I conceptualize my surroundings and when I look for something I am searching more in my mind than in the actual environment around me.

I do this often, but it was worse when I was a kid. I would search every rack in my parents' laundry room looking for my school uniform. I'd go through each rack one item at a time at least twice, and would completely miss the uniform. It was really frustrating.
 

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Yeah I'm quite similar. The problem I have with cleaning is that I know it's gonna get back to the way it was, so I put it off until I am completely bored or the mess gets in my way too much.
 

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Yeah I'm quite similar. The problem I have with cleaning is that I know it's gonna get back to the way it was, so I put it off until I am completely bored or the mess gets in my way too much.

This is pretty much the problem. It is not logical to spend a lot of time on an activity that will quickly revert to the starting state. I don't often see messes until it impedes functionality or interferes with my senses. I have very poor recall so chaos starts to cause me problems. I don't like to have my senses tweaked too much so smells, stubbing my toes and knocking over piles bothers me. When it finally gets in the way of my vision something has to give and I clean to an equilibrium. I DO love order, but I seem to be incapable of maintaining it for very long.

It is much worse when children are involved and my house seems to approach critical mass quickly if I don't pay attention. There is a point that I will be too overwhelmed to start in on the mess. I do try not to let it get that way very often, as it takes months to fix it and there is a sort of whack-a-mole situation where the rooms I just cleaned and organized get messy before the house is tidy. This gets only marginally better with age and experience. After many years of it piles become bins full of crap stuffed in an unused room, attic or garage. My advice to the young INTP is to LABEL THE BINS so that you can attempt to put things in the right one. Sharpies were made for the INTP. I wish I could figure this out better, but TiNe is all ideas and no action.

About 6 years ago my husband and I rented a large dumpster from Home Depot. We filled it with crap from the garage. Never got to the stuff in the house, but it did help make some space. We are doing better now, but it is a constant battle ...
 

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It is much worse when children are involved and my house seems to approach critical mass quickly if I don't pay attention. There is a point that I will be too overwhelmed to start in on the mess. I do try not to let it get that way very often, as it takes months to fix it and there is a sort of whack-a-mole situation where the rooms I just cleaned and organized get messy before the house is tidy. This gets only marginally better with age and experience.

After many years of it piles become bins full of crap stuffed in an unused room, attic or garage.

My advice to the young INTP is to LABEL THE BINS so that you can attempt to put things in the right one. Sharpies were made for the INTP. I wish I could figure this out better, but TiNe is all ideas and no action.

Oh god the Bins.

I have this problem where piles turn into bins of things too.

We have "Sock Bucket" which is acually a bin. The socks get matched and put away about once every few months when someone in the family just can't take it anylonger, the rest of the time everyone else seems to have given up on me when it comes to socks matching or even in anyones own rooms. It is just a communal clean sock bin that everyone must dig through to find their own pair (including finnding the mates). The bin floats around the house, sometimes it is in the hall closet, sometims by the coffe table, sometimes in the hall. Even when the entire house is spotless there is still the sock bucket we all just don't really see sitting somewhere, then someone will shove it in a bedroom or something.

I recently finally went through a cardboard box of paperwork I've been saying I was going to get to for a while. It seems I was really saying that for a long long while because about halfway down I found the rental agreement from our first apartment back in 1998. The worst part was that, aside from a few things closer to the top of the box the entire box of paper ended up being stuff I no longer need and was all put out with the recycling. I'd been moving the box here and there for years saying I'd get to it but only noticing it when I needed to move it to another closet to make room and IT WAS ALL JUNK.

My metal filing cabnit is filled with hand tools and wires and screws and stuff and there is a leanin tower of art and important papers on top.
This actually makes me laugh.

Just recently I broke down and emptied all the art and papers and tools and other stored knickknacks out of my dresser so I could actually use it to put my clothing in.

This is just a summary. The thing is as chaotic as it all seems, all my stuff, it is all where I decided was a good place and where I could find it and it would be most useful to keep, even if it was an unconventional logic that brought me to that idea.

My biggest issue is the lack of labling things so I know in the future if i can just dump it or if I must sort through it, then failing to know causes me to just move it around forever as with that one box of papers.
 

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Answering to the first post, I must say I behave precisely the same way.
My room is usually a mess, and sometimes (mainly during summer vacation) I tide it and organize everything I have.

It does not last for too long, however :(
 

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LOL, MissQuote we have a sock bin too. Same general procedure, dig around in it until you hit paydirt. Flipflops and bare feet are your friends in this situation. I have never liked shoes so socks are generally only for the cold and I will grab two of any color, I don't care. Hubby can match the socks the bin if he wants to. I will try to find a pair for the kid if he needs it. I have been known to buy cheap packs of white socks and footies in abundance for ease of use. Once in awhile I will get the urge and energy to pair them up while I am watching a show. To be honest, clothes are a nightmare in general. I start out gung ho with the washing/drying but fail at putting them away.
 

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The fact that I am not the only one with a sock situation cracks me up.
 

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The fact that I am not the only one with a sock situation cracks me up.

I was laughing while I wrote that and I read it to my husband. He laughed. It sooo hits home with us that by the time the laundry is put away (a feat of strength in itself) the socks that get thrown in the bin just stay there "until tomorrow". I even have a mismatched sock bin with those pesky onsies ...
 

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I told my husband about your post too, inbetween a little fit of laughter (he was looking at me funny) "Honey someone else has a sock bucket too!!" he kept looking at me funny.
 

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i have a problem with rearranging furniture, every couple of months i move everything in the house to a new spot, i think its because when i was younger i never stayed in one place for more than a year and now i have a constant need for change. One plus is that i have become freakishly strong from all the lifting...

oh wow, i can relate to this! i do the same thing (constantly moving furniture in my room around, usually every couple of months) and i moved a lot as a kid. never thought to connect the two!
 

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My room is pretty clean most of the time. Actually, my ISTJ mom has said, "You clean your room more than anyone I know; but then again, you also mess it up more quickly than anyone I know."

I grew up in a house full of SJs, and have therefore gained some semblance of a skill in organization. But I'm also prone to clutter. So while my bed must be made and I must have adequate desk space, my book shelves are often filled to overflowing with everything from MBTI to checks to Silly Putty.


Does anybody here enjoy chaos? Excuse my vagueness.

YES. Well. I think so. If by "chaos" you mean "hectic times of not knowing how things are supposed to go or happen." I'm more likely to enjoy chaos in terms of time than in terms of space or things.
 

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I have just started to notice how weird my house-cleaning habits are. I will not write a paragraph concerning this, so bear with me through point form notes.

1. My room is filled with junk.
2. When the junk gets in my way, I toss it to another corner of my room.
3. Repeat 2. x million
4. One day, I get extremely annoyed with the mess I've created and experiences a boost of energy to sort everything out to their proper place.
5. A week later, my room is in a total mess like before I cleaned it.
I cannot function in a mess. When I see a mess, my mind feels like it is also in a mess. I have to order it, to think straight.

It might be because in my childhood, I only had a small chest in which to put all of my stuff. Whenever I bought a new toy, there wasn't room to put it in, until I took everything out, and rearranged everything in there, to find room for it.

Another thing that I remember, was that I read as a child, that Red Adair, who was the best oil firefighter in the oil firefighting business, got started, because he used to keep all his tools in exactly the same place. He was working on an oil rig, when it caught on fire. Everyone else cleared out, because at that point, almost no-one even dared to try to put out an oil fire, and the few who did, almost always died. He stayed, and because he knew exactly where all his tools were, he could reach for them, without having to look for them, and thus saved himself the precious seconds that meant the difference between fixing the problem, and being set on fire. He became the first real oil firefighter, and made himself a fortune, and a name for himself for saving many lives. This greatly impressed on me the value of keeping things in their place.

However, I do have very odd cleaning habits. Others have told me that I have developed my own ways of cleaning, that are often very, very different than how most people do it.

Another odd thing happened to me today. Yes, I will mention it on this thread although its' relevancy is below 60%. Here goes: My friend brought a book to English class called "Angels in the ER", so I became curious with it and decided to take a peek at it. On the first page, there was a life/death "crisis" and I read it. I started to laugh uncontrollably, with no explanation why that first page was funny. Now, my friends think I am more than half insane. *sigh* Just thought I'd share that with all of you.
In school, whenever the teacher would start talking about an earthquake or other natural disaster, and how terrible it was that so many people had died in it, I would break into laughter, and would have to force myself to hold back from laughing. I used to think that it meant that I was a psychopath. It's nice to know that it just means that I am an INTP.

It is also annoying when the teacher is explaining a hard concept to a quiet class, and I think of something funny and starts laughing.
I would do that all the time. People would ask me what was so funny, and I would just say "nothing". People thought I was mad for laughing at nothing they could see. Glad to know that is just being an INTP as well, and not insanity.

Hell the only thing you have to worry when coming into my room are the stacks of books here and there.
OK. This I can relate to. I struggle to leave any bookstore without buying at least one book, and often buy several. Almost everywhere I've lived, I've collected loads of books, way more than clothes or anything else. I've moved a few times and left them all behind. But it still didn't take me long to accumulate another library's worth of books.

I giggled when my grandmother died when I was fifteen ...
When my father died, I went into uncontrollable laughter for about 5 minutes. I couldn't stop. I think it was shock. My older brother had to slap me to get me to stop.

I just have no use for dead people.
This just made me burst out laughing. After all, what are you going to do, have a conversation with a corpse?

My room is pretty clean most of the time. Actually, my ISTJ mom has said, "You clean your room more than anyone I know; but then again, you also mess it up more quickly than anyone I know."
Thank G-d that another INTP keeps his room clean and tidy. I was beginning to question if I was an INTP.

I grew up in a house full of SJs, and have therefore gained some semblance of a skill in organization. But I'm also prone to clutter. So while my bed must be made and I must have adequate desk space, my book shelves are often filled to overflowing with everything from MBTI to checks to Silly Putty.
I am the same. I have, well, about a couple of hundred books, and about 100 DVDs, and that has been with making a huge effort to go minimalist.

YES. Well. I think so. If by "chaos" you mean "hectic times of not knowing how things are supposed to go or happen." I'm more likely to enjoy chaos in terms of time than in terms of space or things.
Now in THIS I can relate completely. I enjoy the idea of going out specifically without a plan, and just seeing where I will end up. I used to go walking aimlessly for hours. I also enjoy a conversation that just goes on and on, just to see to what thoughts and ideas it will take me to.

Timewise, I'm even worse. I used to turn up to parties 2 hours later than everyone else. People used to say that I would be late for my own wedding, and probably my own funeral too.

You might think that the last one was impossible. But somehow, I seem to have a knack of screwing up the easy stuff, and then doing the stuff that most people say is impossible, effortlessly. It really freaks people out. On the one hand, I don't like upsetting people so. But on the other hand, it has a delicious taste, to do things that really freak people out.

Here's another. I either seem to say 2 words, when 20 is needed, or say 20 words, when 2 will do.
 

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My room is always messy. But for the most part I know where things are that I use on a daily basis. Problems arise when someone tries to "clean" for me, someone moves something, or I dont use something consistently. In which case, it no longer exists in my field of vision and even if it is right in front of me it will take a while for me to find it. I suspect that I conceptualize my surroundings and when I look for something I am searching more in my mind than in the actual environment around me.

I do this too. :eek:

When i get the urge to clean it seems like its because i have too many cluttered thoughts. It almost seems like the thoughts are tied to the items. I start picking up things absent-mindedly and putting them in their proper place and throwing trash away. Then i'll suddenly realize that I'm cleaning and have a wtf moment. Then i'll just start cleaning again. This goes on until i'm tired or figure out that there's too much to clean and get something to eat.
 

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I do this too. :eek:

When i get the urge to clean it seems like its because i have too many cluttered thoughts. It almost seems like the thoughts are tied to the items. I start picking up things absent-mindedly and putting them in their proper place and throwing trash away. Then i'll suddenly realize that I'm cleaning and have a wtf moment. Then i'll just start cleaning again. This goes on until i'm tired or figure out that there's too much to clean and get something to eat.

This is true for me, too. It is as if each object is speaking to me. As more and more stuff gathers I can't think and I have to at least scrape it all into a tub and put away. The tub itself is just one thing so the volume gets turned down.
 

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I was reading the thread with some amusement and agreement, not planning on replying until I hit this subject ... :)
LOL, MissQuote we have a sock bin too. Same general procedure, dig around in it until you hit paydirt. Flipflops and bare feet are your friends in this situation. I have never liked shoes so socks are generally only for the cold and I will grab two of any color, I don't care. Hubby can match the socks the bin if he wants to. I will try to find a pair for the kid if he needs it. I have been known to buy cheap packs of white socks and footies in abundance for ease of use. Once in awhile I will get the urge and energy to pair them up while I am watching a show. To be honest, clothes are a nightmare in general. I start out gung ho with the washing/drying but fail at putting them away.

I have developed systems, or processes that help me out of these situations (slightly) so that I dont get into trouble with friends/family/landlord/colleagues when they come around to check up on me when they dont hear from me for too long.

I have about 15 or so black T-shirts. I have about 20 pairs of black socks. I have a dirty bin and a clean bin. I dont bother matching socks in the clean bin - they're all the same. The first 2 are inevitably matches. I hate clothes shopping, so I just get the same kind of T-shirt, as long as they last long. If I dont need to wear it, I dont bother, especially socks and shoes. I am barefoot at home summer and winter.

I never pack clothes away, all clothes remain in the clean bin, get worn and cycled through to the dirty bin, washed and then back into the clean bin. But ... Ive recently adopted the method of draping my T-shirts over random bits of furniture to dry 'iron' them, when one of my ex-es gave me grief about walking around in public in a crinkled T-shirt :)
I need to iron work shirts though. I struggle.

I vacuum once every 3 months or so, when I get the energy. My big problem is dust. I havent had the presence of mind to buy a duster yet. My kitchen is pretty neat though. I had a quick change of attitude about 10 years back when I walked in to find cockroaches on the dirty dish pile.

In general I am probably one of the more neater INTPs though, but its required practice and the implementation of systems Ive had to come up with to solve these so-called problems. My place is what may be considered ordered chaos. Everything has its place. It looks like a half hearted attempt at neatness, but in my mind everything is where it should be. I never lose anything, unless I wasnt thinking clearly about where I put it down in the first place, which is rare.

I've had to build a massive bookcase for books. This weekend Im going scouting for a second bookcase. 2 laptops, tower case, 2 keyboards, a massive LCD screen and an AV amplifier + bluray and half an electric piano on my computer desk (plus various bits like remote controls, wifi router, GPS, mice, spare hard drives etc) Its a bit tight, but Ive made sure the mouse has plenty of roaming space for gaming. :D

I must say it's also kinda' creepy when I get excited when I see large amounts of blood. ... e.g.- My mother cut her finger somehow and was bleeding over the sink. I saw it and got quite hyped up... ... ... But now I think that incident over, I wonder if I am excited because of the actual incident or the amount of blood on the sink... (Cause: Vampire genes?!? lol.)
Not me. I get nauseous when I see large amounts of blood. My Ne imagines pain and suffering, and probably Fe dishes out the nausea. I hate it.
Funnily enough, most movies I can rationalize it away, but there was a scene in Black Hawk Down that made me feel very ill and uncomfortable.
 

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I am so very much a typical INTP here. ON my desk, there is a box of tissues, a drink bottle I've never used, and likely never will (it was free), bits of rubbish, several books, notes from last semester, notes from two semesters ago that were useful a month and a half ago, a CD that I've never gotten around to putting on my computer, my chocolate stash (nobody steals it, so I don't need to hide it).
One day I'll clean it up (mostly), and then it will be messy immediately.

I have been laughing at all the other examples here. So nice to know that I'm not that weird!
 

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There is no such thing at JUNK in an INTPs world! Only 'possible future usefulness'. :):elephant:
 

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There is no such thing at JUNK in an INTPs world! Only 'possible future usefulness'. :):elephant:

Very true! If an object isn't packaging or broken it has some potential use and the INTP brain rejects throwing it away as illogical because 'technically' it is. I am trying to switch to it being more logical to discard things that cost more to store than repurchase if needed again. The "cost" is mostly opportunity cost since I already have room to store things, but I have ended up repurchasing things that I have "stored" anyway. I am getting better at it after spending $300 to rent a dumpster to toss out a fortune in crap I once thought I need to keep. It is a work in progress though and I can only claim incremental gains.

Anyone need three boxes of junky computer parts :evil: ...
 

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The environmental consequences of repurchasing things stresses me out when trying to get rid of all my crap. I am helping mother earth by keeping all these broken VCRs and stuff...
 

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When the thought of cleaning and organizing your room makes you nervous. You find comfort in disorganization.
 

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I have just started to notice how weird my house-cleaning habits are. I will not write a paragraph concerning this, so bear with me through point form notes.

1. My room is filled with junk.
2. When the junk gets in my way, I toss it to another corner of my room.
3. Repeat 2. x million
4. One day, I get extremely annoyed with the mess I've created and experiences a boost of energy to sort everything out to their proper place.
5. A week later, my room is in a total mess like before I cleaned it.

... Does anybody experience this? Note: Feel free to add comments, ideas, experiences, etc.

This is the EXACT way I [attempt to] clean my room. It's amazing how predictable INTPs can be :slashnew:. (sigh).

Another frustration is not being able to discard things that have a solid connection to your past (trying to maintain anchors to the past).
 

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Yep, and just about the only time I clean it is when a parent makes me.

My problem is when they actually clean themselves because not only can I not find my stuff, but it's an invasion of my personal zone.
 

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My room is a total mess, but the best part is my music drawer. Over a thousand pages of paper randomly scattered through the drawer. It's an unorganized masterpiece. :storks:
 

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i registered just to post in this thread.

good gosh this thread is so entirely me its sickening. but for the massive LULZ ill add to the sock story. while i lack a sock bucket which is hilarious in and of itsself. i have 4 kinds of socks. 1 or 2 pairs of brown ones. a black one or two. a ton of all white ones. and a ton of white ones but with a great tip by the toes. for some psycho reason i can never figure out ill almost always fail to wear all white ones or all white with the grey. ill almost always mix it up unless i just get lucky and grade two of the right ones. also i am lucky if one or both arent inside out which can also be a source of comments. speaking of that i have to check a lot because i am prone to wearing a shirt backwards or inside out and just absolutely not noticing.

people comment and ask why my socks dont match.
i usually say they are both white
they usually say no one is a little grey.
i usually reply they are just socks it doesnt matter. also i am usually wearing shoes since i only like socks to go out and going out requires shoes.
this is followed by eye rolls of you are nuts you know this right

while i havent done this since going to a large apartment(primarely i am trying to socially fit and realize this is by far my weakest skill) with lots of peope for school at home i would randomly for no apparent reason walk around with just 1 sock on this further added to my inablity to wear matching socks. since being in this apartment at school while i dont walk around like that though i probably have a not noticed it. i will in my room randomly wear only one sock for no apparent reason. it seems for some reason i will take off one sock and for no apparent reason get distracted and never take off the other one.

this gets worse if i have all color socks like white but then we add in different designs. i will mix match them horribly.

if and when i get married if i ever get a sock bucket i will laugh uncontrollably.

but yes this thread is so entirely me it is quite ridiculous. i very much subscribe to organized chaos. i cant stand a messy kitchen or living room. but my room can look like a tornado hit it. my car can look horrible too. but then the bathroom i detest it getting even the slightest bit dirty. i too organize piles of crap into bins or boxes and move them with the sole intention of sorting later or because they "might" be useful. also this is perhaps best described on my computer. i recently went through it and cleaned it as i had 2 TB's of full harddrives and somehow needed more space. upon cleaning it up i legitamently realized there is crap i have saved not only 10 times each but stuff i have no earthly idea what it is anymore but it was at some point "useful"

i finnally gave in bought a new harddrive realizing after i got the crap down to 1 TB that i will never figure out what is in that harddrive and its best just to leave it alone. that is made worse by the fact it is now no longer organized how i had which somehow i had 2 TB's of crap organized in my head so now i really have no idea what is on that harddrive. the more i have tried to organize the less i know where anything is. i guess because it was one way for so long i cant think of it in another way.

and reserving the other harddrive for movies and such. and the new one was to back up what was on my computer as a just in case scenario computer crashes etc.

i too also can clean my room only to restore it back because i cant find anything anymore to the way it was.

dont get me wrong i can trash a useless item if it has no use. but if it has use it just gets put away somewhere that i ultimately forget about. then perhaps 5 years later i need it and am like oh yea good thing i saved it.

and with papers i am clueless i know its important to save stuff so i go overboard. i do make a point of trashing papers like twice a year though so this doesnt pile up too bad.

whats worse here is i too will laugh for no apparent reason. i see the looks people toss me out of the corner of their eye. i have to usually cover my mouth or something or move because i will simply just laugh for no apparent reason. also sometimes something i say will crack myself up for like an hour or two straight meanwhile everyone just thinks i am nuts or how i go from normally shy and quite to a random burst of laughter that wont stop only to try and explain it but i apparently am the only one that made the connection to the joke.

and i too have enthralling conversations with myself. my biggest offense is back in the day i used to love wrestling and dbz. so i completely created a ficitional version of these two worlds in my head that has gone on for eternity. im quite alarmed at how well i keep track of the fictional wrestling stats and feuds and storylines. and i am amazed how long i dragged the dbz one on and continue too considering i have ended it in the storyline at least 10 times only to bring it back. i feel like if my brain didnt have some urge to do this that perhaps i could get alot more A's in school by having my brain's resources freed up.

that and enthralling conversations with myself or going over conversations in my head that ended 30 seconds ago and redoing them 400 times at least. more than once it was 1 am only to get lost in a conversation for it to be 230 and i have no clue what actually happened or instead of sleeping my brain is doing this.

and i am amazed i can be stumped by a problem only to not really think about days later solved it in 5 minutes like i was secretly working on it the whole time.

well now that i know i am not alone on this carry on good people carry one :elephant:
 

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heheh well this is an amusing thread. I am very bad with cleaning my room even after the off chance that I notice it's dirty. I have a bed, a tv, and a desk. My desk is chock-full of useless papers and other unidentifiable junk. My floor has dirty clothes everywhere. I don't have a laundry basket I just know whats dirty if it's on the floor. And of course there's my SJ family. My ESFJ dad (and everyone knows E+S+F+J= Idiot) can't understand how I dont "notice" my room is dirty so I'm constantly being called a lazy bum, which is partially true.

The part I really agree with is the laughing. I can sometimes get hysterical. Even between sentences here I am laughing. It gets annoying when I have to be serious, like at church, and somebody says or does something funny but I try to hold my smile. The problem is I can never do it and I end up laughing like 3 seconds after the joke making me look crazy lol.

I know INTps space out, but I do it so much people say I sleep with my eyes open. I can get so lost in thought that I have no idea what happened or what was said while I was "away". When I wake up I look around to see wierded-out faces staring at me. Anyone else do that?
 

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I can totally relate to the OP in terms of being messy, cluttering and leaving things around. If I leave something on a desk and it's unused for like 1 or 2 days, then it will act invisible to me for a very long time. It's crazy.
 
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