intp forum and its meaning - rant and rave

[washti]

Are you people not tired of all this mbti&Jung thing? Reading constant FiTeSiNeNi and seriousness of posters like this is still big time.

mbtishit become such a vomitizer to me. Some of you are poking fun very sardonic very above. And some of you do this for years like taking this crap in face value.
How you cope, not bored?

20% of members here are in merry-go-around asking about type like WHAT I AM WHAT I AM multiplied to oblivion lol _._ self absorbtion in its higest might. I wonder why you guys do that, what it gives you? Are you unable to selfreflect? What this forum is for you?

 

[TheManBeyond]

Damn u are always angry because of smth
woo woo, then mbti, then the way I paint
But u can still masturbate after fighting ur macho man boss
Jisus let it be

Mbti is a topic of conversation because its an intp forum wtf
Are u in ultimateguitar.com
We all know typology is bullshit
But why should we stop talking about it?
Cuz u say so.
Haaaaa.
Go back to ur cows girl.
I haven't seen u bring any constructive comment in your existance as user

 

[washti]

im a bit of sorry sorry - my tiny rant seems upset you. I forgot that you exist and will take shit personally.
Tell me criteria of real contribution. who keep score? you get points like on infj forum? bambi under christmas tree? Dont hurt me - tough boy.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

Mbti is self-sabotage

 

[Nebulous]

Somewhere where people can hang with a relatively small and at least sometimes interesting group of humans/ cyborgs/ AIs/ and cannibal orgy obsessed users

 

[nanook]

shut the fuck up if you are not an interpretative (intuitive) type. you can preach ignorance to the rest of the world, they will love it.

 

[Nebulous]

Guys the salt is supposed to go around the forum to keep out demons, not inside the circle

 

[Happy]

Mbti is self-sabotage

Haha that sounds about right.

I see it as a safe alternative to social media (social media methadone?). If there was any more MBTI talk on this forum (which is fairly scarce), I'd probs leave.

 

[Hadoblado]

*cough*

Why are you here? The answer to that question might provide insight into why others are.

For me, I've got friends here that I wouldn't keep in contact with if I wasn't part of the forum. I moderate, partially to keep myself involved. I believe there is something to MBTI, in that it does measure real things, but I don't think it does a good job, and I don't think it's as good a theory as others.

People make threads about themselves for all sorts of reasons. Some of them are certainly self-absorbed. But some of them just feel left out after realising the acceptance they received when they thought they knew their type was false currency. An understanding of self is a very valuable thing, it's a noble pursuit even if it makes you come across as repetitive.

@TMB
No, we don't all know it's bullshit. I think it's fair to say we're all familiar with the arguments against it (though the hard sciencey part has been largely unrepresented /lazy). But a lot of people here believe it not to be bullshit.



This thread is on my watch list. People need to settle down and have some respect for one another.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVNMmsN3Co

 

[Black Rose]

Begining when I discovered functions I was kind of intellectually immature to understand the functions and I have emotional problems. I had no idea what the subject and object were. If you have noticed I registered in April 2010. Most people here were established members from 2007 when the forum went live. I have tried to make sense of it all, read chapter 10 by Jung but it was above my head. I made at least 10 different models of what the functions were.

So definitely I like understanding things. I make notes about my ideas as such. They were loosely based but I liked having small epiphanies. But in order to understand you need a great deal of self-awareness. I did not have that when I was 23. But I am becoming more aware. It's fun to read what others say. It adds to awareness.

I do think Functions are legitimate.
People cannot be blamed for lack of self-reflection.
Because it is just part of their development.
I decided to never give up because I believe learning is important.
I do not see how I can get board for more than 2 months without going back and rechecking everything. Every time I learn something new and I can revise ideas I previously had.

 

[TheManBeyond]

it kind of annoys me that everyone talks about everyone without giving usernames, so i have to guess everytime someone is refering to me, like pizzabeak in that other thread. or maybe i'm getting paranoid.

@Hadoblado, perhaps i didn't say what i wanted to say, it was more like: we understand why it is seen as bullshit by a lot of people and i consider it a piece of art that i personally enjoy a lot because it lets you play with it so much. as it is fun to tell people their look-alikes
i come back to it from time to time.
life right now kind of sucks for me (i'm readapting to the normality of not living abroad, funnily my problem is like washti said in the other thread; nothing ever happens; even beers on weekends with friends are boring as hell) and typology is fun, whether it exists or not.
sometimes i think i shouldn't have taken the adventurer path i took 3 years ago, it made me much secure about myself but sooo fucked up in accepting my roots. sometimes i wanna cry, sometimes i wanna comunicate to my exgfs and revive amazing moments, and friends and go again into that forest or climb the acropolis or fight the police in exarchia alleys but no, all i have is uncertainty, clock ticking, life passing me by. and i'm alone in this. the only way i can think of not wasting my time is at least to contribuite to art through music and painting. final examns in university seem like a mere burocratic deal which is already consumed, which doesn't scares me anymore, what scares me is what comes after that. where i should be and where i am. and i swear to all of you in this blood bath of drama that i will do big things again. i won't accept death here as an username.
TheManBeyond is dead.
long live TheManBeyond.

 

[washti]

@ Hado
I read on other site about "intp board without dating subforum". I thought its cool.
so i hang out silently for 2-3 years reading what you all produced. Then claimed this place mine like feeling compatible and comfortable enough to post here - users become known old shoes and some even clever/funny. I keep this going and just act here on changing motion not realy curated myself that much.

Well you are my 70% of human contact for now.

Typology is not good enough anymore. I started to see it as limiting, sort of muddling frame. simply its lost potential to form some part of my identity. I'm sore i guess. Forum feels repetitive. Hence rant.

And yeah contribution. Well perhaps i had too big expectation from people here, like you would made my day intelectually starting threads for my amusment and mind mana greed. Its hard life to be lazy bitch who keeps herself in highest regards and deserves the best.

 

[Black Rose]

Typology is not good enough anymore. I started to see it as limiting, sort of muddling frame. simply its lost potential to form some part of my identity.

I would think that knowing the cognitive processes of your mind would be a sizable portion of your identity. I personally want to understand myself so anything about me is not discarded. You can always expand in self-understanding but if MBTI has been completely understood I can see where the boredom comes from. It would be quite a feat to master MBTI so to recognize and understand others cognitive processes. I haven't gotten there yet. But like I said you cannot blame people to not get it just because of development stages. If MBTI is so boring and repetitive just read threads not related to that subject. There is Philosophy, Spirituality, Politics, and Technology. To name a few. Ranting about the subforum I am not sure how this could add to your growth. What are you expecting from others to help you deal with this repetitive monotony of the MBTI subforum?

 

[Jennywocky]

Guys the salt is supposed to go around the forum to keep out demons, not inside the circle

well I'm supposed to watch my salt intake, baby, but it's just Too. Damn. Good.

TheManBeyond is dead.
long live TheManBeyond.

Naw. You'll always be TheManBeyond to me.

Typology is not good enough anymore. I started to see it as limiting, sort of muddling frame. simply its lost potential to form some part of my identity. I'm sore i guess. Forum feels repetitive. Hence rant....

Yeah, I get it. Sometimes the discussions can feel a bit obsessive. Look at how many people are fervently in disagreement on what someone's type is, for example... and each of them firmly convinced they are in the right.

It was a useful tool for me, and I think can be a useful tool for anyone on their journey to self-discovery; but to use it to explain myself nowadays feels like a bit of a backtrack, personally. Type theory is not nearly as granular as my self-understanding at this point in my life.

 

[TheManBeyond]

You cannot control when you are going to die but you can keep your ashes safe in porcelain.

Other option would be to privatize the forum like intj forum did.

 

[Pyropyro]

It never gets boring because I treat it as one of the several sites where I can talk to other people.

I really never thought about the forum as a resource for MBTI I think serious study for that is better off done offsite. The forum can be used for casual MBTI discussions or how we can be sounding boards for each other's personal experiences, ideas and studies.

As such, it's more like a coffee shop for weirdos who happened to be or like INTP's rather than a stuffy university department where people are required to publish exquisite MBTI papers every once in a while.

For illustration, here is me reading a post, Anime making another post while a mod is checking for shitposting.

Spoiler

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[redbaron]

MBTI is useful as a general descriptive tool.

Maybe someone who's being bossy and micro-managing your work isn't actually an ESTJ, but it's really convenient to be able to say, "yeah I had an ESTJ boss who would micro-manage me" and the thing to take in here isn't that the writer of this comment is specifically an INTP with a specifically ESTJ boss - but simply the fact that there was a really huge disconnect in the two people's personalities and approach to the work required.

It cuts out having to make long descriptions of the person, instead simply reducing it to "ESTJ".

At its worst MBTI makes very wrong sweeping generalisations and becomes dogmatic and divisive. At its best it allows for great expediency in casual conversation. I don't think it's useful to use in a strict and specific manner but for being able to communicate general ideas with close enough accuracy it's great.

It encourages brevity and straightforward communication on a general sense, but if you ever want to go in-depth or just go more abstract you don't need to rely on the descriptors either.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I don't think anyone on this forum is a MBTI-ite. BTW I think op is ENTP, clearly she wants to start something.

 

[washti]

@Animekitty
I kind of start from different place. Not trying to understend myself but checking if it is any myself here and how if at all i can know what that myself is.
What create it or what it is seems like distant or even nonexisting goals.

Mbti/socionics were good for some time, then again i realize that is just another internalization, like my mind can swallow any indentity description and create working belief in it. But this shit is very short-lived.

I'm not ranting about subforum but how forum feels for me in general now when i dont find any solace in typology frame for myself. And I'm not sure if any grow is posible for me at all in this point. If you cut pragmatic everyday improvements, idea of grow itself looks like another fake layer. How you can help? When provide more things I like! New distractions, new directions. be good servant.


@redbaron
Yeah and exacly this prevailing four letters reductionism sucks. Lame thoughts shortcuts which can suits everyone's needs for the spur of emotional moment. Efortless and effective. Flexible in form enough to be easy filled by any content you wanna attach to person. Mostly an invective. ---->


@onesteptwostep
People do with mbti/jung/socionics whatever they want to do here. Fine for me. I think youre INFP you defenitly want to...
----> -.- exacly this.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

. Its hard life to be lazy bitch who keeps herself in highest regards and deserves the best.

Lol

I for one always greatly enjoy you posts.

Ya lazy bitch

 

[Nebulous]

MBTI is useful as a general descriptive tool.

Maybe someone who's being bossy and micro-managing your work isn't actually an ESTJ, but it's really convenient to be able to say, "yeah I had an ESTJ boss who would micro-manage me" and the thing to take in here isn't that the writer of this comment is specifically an INTP with a specifically ESTJ boss - but simply the fact that there was a really huge disconnect in the two people's personalities and approach to the work required.

It cuts out having to make long descriptions of the person, instead simply reducing it to "ESTJ".

At its worst MBTI makes very wrong sweeping generalisations and becomes dogmatic and divisive. At its best it allows for great expediency in casual conversation. I don't think it's useful to use in a strict and specific manner but for being able to communicate general ideas with close enough accuracy it's great.

It encourages brevity and straightforward communication on a general sense, but if you ever want to go in-depth or just go more abstract you don't need to rely on the descriptors either.

It's A LOT like how people use astrology/ zodiac signs. Same thing. Really.

There's a crazy outgoing, in your face, emotional person- "such a Leo!" / "such an ENFP!"

Both systems are ways of describing "sorts" of people. "Sagittarius" has a recognized meaning, and it lets you get a good idea of what the person in question is like. It's a word. Same with saying "ESTJ" or another type.

Both MBTI and Astrology are systems of adjectives, that have some fun theory behind them, but really in the end they're just a few more descriptive words in your vocabulary.

 

[PmjPmj]

It works for my brain. It allows me to quickly categorise a person with very little effort, thus sating my desire for things to be in their place / just so.

I recognise that people are a great deal more complex than any one system can suggest, but IDGAF. My interactions with others tend to be very surface-level at best (professional), so I couldn't give a flying hoot about what lies beneath their facade.