Interesting

[Missfortune]

You guys of the forum are very interesting. As a newcomer I've been trying to figure out your roles and relationships while not overstepping my bounds (as a newcomer. We invade upon your territory).

I'm assuming the usual social rules apply here.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Please post your analysis. Outsider perspectives are good perspectives.

 

[Minuend]

There are roles?

On a related note, I was thinking about IRC and someone mentioning how it might seem clique-y to newcomers. I think it can be fairly easy to become part of that group, though. But usually in the beginning, you don't know the new person who joined and don't know the person enough to make jokes surrounding his personality/ preferences and you don't know how well he can handle a joke, for instance. Well, you also don't know if that new guy is just a dick you don't want to know anyways.

I think it's somewhat similar on this forum (if there are clicky clickies). Personally, there have been people I thought seemed interesting to get to know, but that are somewhat "inapproachable". Serious, detached.

And no, normal social rules don't apply if you want to befriend cool people that are not banana peels.

Slightly alcoholy Captain Picard out

 

[Cherry Cola]

Isn't it quite banana peely to think that normal social rules don't apply because you are cool people? I don't see what would be the principal difference.

 

[Minuend]

I didn't think a sentence that used banana peely as a verb would be taken seriously.

But anyhow

Who are "cool" and whatnot are entirely subjective preferences, if one even believes in the term cool. Personally I think the term is too lame to be taken seriously.

As for social rules and people you will find interesting, such is also, of course, of personal preferences. Some people will prefer people who are not preoccupied with the how are you fine thanks ordeal of conversation and behavior.

But I guess you put it into context of the thing I wrote about IRC, when in reality I was reading the OP one more time before pressing submit and remembered there was this line about social norms and I threw that sentence on thar. It's also a knee jerk reaction to having played a social role ever since I was young. Thus, not entirely accurate representation of my perspective on all the complex that is social. But mostly, it's putting stuff on edge to enlighten how silly I find perspectives that limits themselves in cool and uncool, and a way to play with something that seems to be a reality. And there's also the thing about people who resist against cool and go the other wayyyyyy. ETC ETC ETC

That last sentences is probably something I would have to write more clearly when my head is so

 

[crippli]

(as a newcomer. We invade upon your territory).

Not mine. Mine has fences, triggers with automatic guns. Sensors. And a huge tower, where the view is excellent.

 

[StevenM]

When I started reading posts here, naturally, I made assumptions about the people here as well. It was kind of a way to remember and familiarize myself with the posters here. Also, I gathered a general impression of the forum as a whole.

But my assumptions and impressions seemed to change dynamically the longer I have been here. Newer information gradually shifted my perspectives. My impression of the forum as a whole changes, especially since people come and go.

 

[StevenM]

I didn't think a sentence that used banana peely as a verb would be taken seriously.

It was used as an adjective.

But anyhow

Who are "cool" and whatnot are entirely subjective preferences, if one even believes in the term cool. Personally I think the term is too lame to be taken seriously.

It is interesting for me to see someone with the same perspective.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

You should display your results in a flow chart, like any good researcher would do. Actually that would be pretty cute for an INTP.

 

[Kuu]

I'm assuming the usual social rules apply here.

What's this "usual social rules" you're talking about?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Social roles aren't just about coolness. They don't need to involve coolness at all. Social roles are expressed through repeated behaviors. They serve the purpose of fostering cohesion and harmony in social environments. A person can assume a social role by doing something such as telling certain types of jokes every now and then, these jokes become expected, when they are told they are taken as a sign that everything is normal and okay. For instance take The Gopher, I don't mean the guy no harm but he obviously fulfills a certain social role in this fashion, though it goes beyond simply telling jokes.

Then take Architect. He's even more obvious. Really, people have social roles here just like anywhere else. That doesn't mean people are all that concerned with them, or spend time thinking about them, but they are there anyway.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

Social roles aren't just about coolness. They don't need to involve coolness at all. Social roles are expressed through repeated behaviors. They serve the purpose of fostering cohesion and harmony in social environments. A person can assume a social role by doing something such as telling certain types of jokes every now and then, these jokes become expected, when they are told they are taken as a sign that everything is normal and okay. For instance take The Gopher, I don't mean the guy no harm but he obviously fulfills a certain social role in this fashion, though it goes beyond simply telling jokes.

Then take Architect. He's even more obvious. Really, people have social roles here just like anywhere else. That doesn't mean people are all that concerned with them, or spend time thinking about them, but they are there anyway.

Cherry, what's your role here? No, really.

 

[Missfortune]

What's this "usual social rules" you're talking about?

This isn't my turf. If someone were to come into my office and talk loudly while moving stuff around, I'd make them leave.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Honestly it's a lot harder for me to see how I fit in than it is for me to see how others do. I'm not really sure what my role is. People seem to view me and Bronto as some sort of unit, that's not the way I see it but the way I see it doesn't really matter. I suppose me and Bronto are sort of quirky cranks? You tell me lol.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

Honestly it's a lot harder for me to see how I fit in than it is for me to see how others do. I'm not really sure what my role is. People seem to view me and Bronto as some sort of unit, that's not the way I see it but the way I see it doesn't really matter. I suppose me and Bronto are sort of quirky cranks? You tell me lol.

I get that. I'm much better at seeing others than myself-maybe an INFJ thing? I'll give it a stab. You are the passionate opinionated critic with strong allegiance to some on the forum but you're your own person. I might have some other takes but for now, that's all I got.

Oh, and don't get on your wrong side!

 

[TBerg]

I just try to offer what I have to offer.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I get that. I'm much better at seeing others than myself-maybe an INFJ thing? I'll give it a stab. You are the passionate opinionated critic with strong allegiance to some on the forum but you're your own person. I might have some other takes but for now, that's all I got.

Oh, and don't get on your wrong side!

Yeah I think it's an INFJ thing. Interesting description!

 

[EyeSeeCold]

There's perhaps too many here to account for. Since you're part of the community also, you could flip it and tell us about yourself.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I used to have a role here. Not sure what it was but I'm sure it was there. I part lost it, part abandoned it. Anyway, doesn't matter.

If you want a role, pick one. There's plenty still to go around.

Our rules are like a god. Some believe they exist and some don't.

 

[EditorOne]

This isn't my turf. If someone were to come into my office and talk loudly while moving stuff around, I'd make them leave.

Yeah, except it is predominantly INTP in this "office," so our first reaction would be "is this going to be interesting?" and, if it isn't, our second reaction will be "Meh."

The only reason some of us come here is to watch stuff get moved around and listen to talk. There's really no functionality to disrupt.

 

[Missfortune]

There's perhaps too many here to account for.

I don't understand what you mean.

 

[Jennywocky]

Social roles aren't just about coolness. They don't need to involve coolness at all. Social roles are expressed through repeated behaviors. They serve the purpose of fostering cohesion and harmony in social environments. A person can assume a social role by doing something such as telling certain types of jokes every now and then, these jokes become expected, when they are told they are taken as a sign that everything is normal and okay. For instance take The Gopher, I don't mean the guy no harm but he obviously fulfills a certain social role in this fashion, though it goes beyond simply telling jokes.

Then take Architect. He's even more obvious. Really, people have social roles here just like anywhere else. That doesn't mean people are all that concerned with them, or spend time thinking about them, but they are there anyway.

I agree, people are just what they are, and they tend to fill appropriate niches without trying.

I think where groups differ is that sometimes they attach more prestige to certain roles or actively tout certain roles and punish others, and people end up vying for the roles.

Here, the roles just happen but no one really sits around aspiring to them or assigning them some value. they just are.

Honestly it's a lot harder for me to see how I fit in than it is for me to see how others do. I'm not really sure what my role is. People seem to view me and Bronto as some sort of unit, that's not the way I see it but the way I see it doesn't really matter. I suppose me and Bronto are sort of quirky cranks? You tell me lol.

For some reason this keeps coming to mind :

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I don't think that's the actuality of it, but as far as how you guys tend to interact on the forum? Yeah.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I don't know what that shit is you dinosaur

 

[Cherry Cola]

Okay so the films name was in the adress. It's synopsis reads like this:

A gay cabaret owner and his drag queen companion agree to put up a false straight front so that their son can introduce them to his fiancée's right-wing moralistic parents.

Who is the son? Who are the right wing moralistic parents?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I don't understand what you mean.

Well if you want to become familiar with the overall atmosphere, it just seems like there'd be too much information about too many people (unless you're taking notes ). Each one of us has our own relations to the forum.

Like, if you told us what to expect from you, that would be more compact than the other way around.

edit: there was this project though...

 

[Jennywocky]

Okay so the films name was in the adress. It's synopsis reads like this:

A gay cabaret owner and his drag queen companion agree to put up a false straight front so that their son can introduce them to his fiancée's right-wing moralistic parents.

Who is the son? Who are the right wing moralistic parents?

Dear god, that was a one-second throwaway joke referencing how you guys bicker online. That's all. And this has now become tangential.

 

[Cherry Cola]

perhaps its synchronicity

 

[Missfortune]

Like, if you told us what to expect from you, that would be more compact than the other way around.

edit: there was this project though...

that would involve me knowing what to expect from myself. i dont have access to that information...

 

[Jennywocky]

Not being smart, I just have to ask who would have access to the information if you do not.

Aren't self-expectations more a part of the process of self-creation versus self-information? i.e., expectations are chosen, rather than preexisting.

 

[Missfortune]

Not being smart, I just have to ask who would have access to the information if you do not.

Aren't self-expectations more a part of the process of self-creation versus self-information? i.e., expectations are chosen, rather than preexisting.

I figured someone would have some retort regarding information access. That's why I phrased it that way. Gotta make fun of myself because when I get serious I sound dumb as hell.
(My comment was limited to forum stuff, fyi) What I'll do depends on what everyone else does as well as my personality. I suppose anyone who knows me would be able to tell me what I'll likely do. I'm probably quite predictable. This forum stuff is still new to me, I'm thinking about it. I don't have enough information to be decisive about what I think. Until then, status quo.


Expectations are chosen. But it would be foolish of me to say what to expect because I don't know enough now.

 

[The Gopher]

Oh this thread is hilarious.

Cherry Cola kills the role of attack dog. We set him in people we want to go away (but he likes the postman). Architect fulfills the role of crazy grandfather but everyone will ostracize you if you were ever to mention it. *note these are one line social roles so they are not complete in anyway, may not be my own opinion and I reserve the right to have never said them.

I could do more if you want.

 

[Black Rose]

I could do more if you want.

People here think I am weird and inconsistent.
I don't make sense most of the time.

Spoiler

http://youtu.be/nZMwKPmsbWE

 

[The Gopher]

People here think I am weird and inconsistent.
I don't make sense most of the time.

Yeah that is what "people" think. Personally I would have said it in a much more interesting way however.

 

[Absurdity]

Who are the right wing moralistic parents?

Me, duh.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Me, duh.

I like to be a neocon from time to time. ^_^

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Once you get to know people you can tag them the way you find appropriate, why would my tags be of use to your perspective?

Let's look at my tags (serious, detached) what can you do with this information? How can you tell that's really the case and not situation or people specific role?
Roles? I don't even think of roles when interacting with people.
What would you do with the information that I and forum member x are close childhood friends, or that we are both supporters of confederation?

If you get closer to people here such information will be revealed anyway.

 

[Brontosaurie]

you have something interesting to say but you couldn't care less about saying it...?

are you 16 y.o. or can i hate you now?

 

[Minuend]

I tend to see people as the sum of their personalities, experiences, etc- I don't assign them roles or even think about that either.

I don't see any of the people mentioned above having any roles.

 

[The Gopher]

Well of course people are the sum of personalities etc.. but that doesn't mean they don't do stuff.

 

[Missfortune]

mentioning that its interesting to read the forum and try to figure out what you guys are like has changed into some need to actually assign roles....

if you assign them then theres no more fun in watching

 

[Missfortune]

Once you get to know people you can tag them the way you find appropriate, why would my tags be of use to your perspective?

Let's look at my tags (serious, detached) what can you do with this information? How can you tell that's really the case and not situation or people specific role?
Roles? I don't even think of roles when interacting with people.
What would you do with the information that I and forum member x are close childhood friends, or that we are both supporters of confederation?

If you get closer to people here such information will be revealed anyway.

I'd do jack shit with the information. it doesn't mean anything to me. it's just interesting to watch how people interact and learn about them. Period.

yes, i agree assigning roles to people is stupid. however, one aspect of the stability of groups is various people behave in certain ways that is complementary with the way other people in the group behave. Otherwise, it would cease to be a group and everyone would go their separate ways. it's that dynamic that's interesting. Since there are a few names in this forum that pop up again and again, it seems to make sense to assign them to a group of regulars who have a way of interacting.

 

[Jennywocky]

Okay, here's the definitive list:

INTPf Rolls
Cherry: White bread
Cheese: Asiago
Cog: Sourdough
Architect: Olive loaf
Absurdity: Jalapena
The Gopher: Blaa
Kuu: Sesame
Hadoblado: Kummelweck
Polaris: Stottie cake
Red Myst: Everything
Brontosaurus: Kaiser
Adaire: French
own8ge: Finger
EyeSeeCold: Nudger
BAP: Bap (w/ currants)
Coolydudey: Muffin
Helvete: Parker House

... crap. Out of bread ideas.

 

[Missfortune]

banana bread

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Cheese: Asiago

I assume this is Cheese-cheese and not Me-cheese.

I'm not around often enough nor do I have anything interesting/of use to say when I am. Makes it hard to really build connections/friendships/whatever.

 

[Jennywocky]

banana bread

Arggg. And zuchinni bread!
... although they're usually not rolls.

 

[BrainVessel]

Ah, I too was concerned of this when I first came here. The joy of INTPf is that there is virtually no social construct. This is where the socially rejected come and drool on each other and reap social satisfaction from it. Just don't be deliberately offensive and do be a little considerate and you'll have a grand time.

 

[Missfortune]

Arggg. And zuchinni bread!
... although they're usually not rolls.

muffins are kind of like rolls....

Ah, I too was concerned of this when I first came here. The joy of INTPf is that there is virtually no social construct. This is where the socially rejected come and drool on each other and reap social satisfaction from it. Just don't be deliberately offensive and do be a little considerate and you'll have a grand time.

hmm i thought i was the only social reject here.

lemme rephrase the stuff about this forum being interesting:

why do some people stay for years and have thousands of posts while others dont? simplification

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

muffins are kind of like rolls....



hmm i thought i was the only social reject here.

lemme rephrase the stuff about this forum being interesting:

why do some people stay for years and have thousands of posts while others dont? simplification

hmm i thought everyone here was a social reject.

Sometimes this place is interesting. Sometimes it's fun. Such things are relative though. I keep coming back because...hmm. Well, I generally like the kind of people this place attracts. I can't say that about other places but then again I don't even lurk at very many other places. iow, idk.

 

[Cherry Cola]

You get more out of a forum if you stick around til you know the place fairly well, let's you understand the internal communication style, and if you know the people who are saying stuff you can put the stuff they are saying into perspective. The ones who don't are either dabblers or went looking for some other place.

 

[Black Rose]

Cherry,

Some people you don't like but it could be your temperament to judge critically when you see a reason for doing so, like when I was making too many threads. Why do you feel the need to push against an opposition for your opinions that you hold so strongly?