Intelligence=Intp?

[Melkor]

A little question.

While I've know very little Intp's other than you guys (obviously), they all seem to all be intelligent to an extent, perhaps in the same way.

but....
Do you think thats true with all Intp's?
Can we actually say which personality types are clever, and which ones aren't?

Or is it more of a 'there are different types of clever' issue?

Do stupid Intp's exist who simply lack the intellect to join such a forum, or are we all little moulds for masterminds?

Anyway, I'll wait for a more clued in person to put me in my place.

 

[sagewolf]

Maybe since we're disposed to enjoy logical analysis and intellectual stimulus such as debating, we come across as being more intelligent when we talk to people, whether or not we actually have the raw intelligence/IQ. That and we're probably stronger in intelligences such as linguistic/verbal, logical and spatial. So when we talk, we sound smart.

The only way you're going to get to any conclusion on the 'more intelligent' question is to actually ask people what their IQ is, and what their type is, and compare them. It would make sense that we're strong in the intelligences that we value and so we all perceive each other as being 'more intelligent' than other people.

 

[Melkor]

Well that makes perfect sense sagewolf.

You think we're just biased when it comes to our own kind?

-You're in Ireland? -waves-

 

[Agent Intellect]

well, IQ tests have questions tailor made for the way INTP's think, so thats not really a fair assessment. i would say that INTP's have a higher tendency to be more curious about how and why things work then a lot of types, and are therefore more inclined to try to figure it out. INTP's are like a storage of information, always wanting to deposit more into our minds and arrange it logically.

how smart INTP's are among other INTP's has to do with how our own logic develops and what information is available to us. every type has a different way of learning (which is why type theory should be brought into the education system) and the way INTP's and NT's in general learn is in a very abstract and theoretical sense. when it comes to sensor things for social things, INTP's are very low on the totem pole as far as intelligence goes (and both of those types of intelligence are indespesible in human society).

 

[sagewolf]

The idea that we're a storage system for information makes a lot of sense to this theory, especially since the common view is apparently that if you know a lot and you can communicate what you know coherently, you are apparently 'intelligent.' That's what my peers seem to think, anyway (maybe it only applies in the school system?). They don't seem to value logical deduction and extrapolation the same way we do. And considering that logical deduction and extrapolation is a key component of many IQ tests, I'd say you have a very good point there.

...Before books were invented... human society had us to keep information. Then we probably invented books so they would bugger off and leave us alone to write and read them.

Yes, I'd say we're strong with ideas and weak with people, too. And social skills are incredibly important in today's world, but it seems like there's more of a shortage of logic than social skills... Is it just because there are fewer of us (NTs in general) compared to other types that we are expected to conform to the expectations and values/norms of wider society?

-You're in Ireland? -waves-

I didn't even look at your location-- heya! Didn't know there were any other Irish--never mind Ulster-- people here, although I'm technically not in the-North-Ulster.

 

[EditorOne]

I'm of the opinion that not very bright INTPs exist, but it really is a subject for further pondering. What woudl that look like? How do you get there? Would you be less aware of what you are?

Maybe a not very bright INTP is someone unhappy beyond belief.

Now I'm depressing myself.

:-)

 

[Agent Intellect]

someone with poorly developed Ne would probably not be as bright of an INTP. it doesn't matter how much logic someone has if they only think about their own ideas and stuff. i'd say thats what happened with Thomas Young. he was so sure of his own correctness that anything else was just people being blind or ill informed.

 

[eudemonia]

I consider myself thoughtful but not particularly intelligent. I don't store much information - forget everything I read. I am really low on spatial and mathematical intelligence. And I do not think particularly abstractly - I cannot tolerate pure philosophy; It has to have some kind of application before I become engaged. So yeah, thoughtful but not particularly intelligent.

 

[anemian]

Well in raw intelligence bringing everything into account. From processing speed, processing power, memory, logic, associations, and whatever else. No type is smarter than the other.

However different 'self' trainings for how to use your head would be very understandable just because you've lived differently.

Some personality types also interact differently than others. Think auras but rather it being 100% physical based on how people carry themselves, appear, Their emotional appearance, and how they talk.

For instance after going over a problem for a while I can very comfortably talk about it to other people, I can impromt parts of the discussion, kinda adjust based on how stuff is going, and concisely cover the topic.

while a different personality type would approach it very differently excelling at what they do and giving you a very different judgment of everything about them including intelligence

 

[Thread Killer]

I guess INTPs tend to come off as more intelligent than what is average, but personally, I suck at IQ test kind of questions. I think it's possible to be under-achieving and under motivated and not show one's true intellect.

 

[Decaf]

My theory is that the word "Maturity" should be used to describe the idea that we currently label "Intelligence". If you think about it, maturity happens as people stretch themselves and learn to be more mentally versatile. To not have such blind faith in others or their own abilities (as we are at risk of).

To look at it on a biological scale, a mature mind can be defined by the number and variety of neural connections made throughout the brain. If an impulse can get from any one part of the brain to all the rest with a minimal amount of effort, then it will require little effort on the part of the person to keep an open mind about which function to apply to any situation. Its like roads in that if someone trusts so specifically in one function, the others get overgrown. That one road may be fantastic, but what if it doesn't lead you to the right destination?

I think as neurophysiology grows as a science this will become more apparent, but as of right now its mostly a gut feeling.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

I am very inteligent in the department of music, art, english(in the writing and thinking) generally creation. also have deeper thought than most people(especially in school, inhabited primarily by 'trained chimpanzees' and robots)

Not good at maths or IT and average at science.

My reasoning...

I feel INTP'S are more inteligent at things that can't be taught at school such as imagination and free thought (true inteligence). but 'Switch off' when being taught boring and irrelavant subjects, where the simple minded flourish as it requires regurgitation rather than actual thought.

Others have their canvases painted for them, INTP's paint and craft their own

 

[Ermine]

We're intelligent, but so is everyone else. It's apparent that INTPs are masters at being creative thinkers. Other types may be more socially smart, or emotionally smart. Everyone has different types of intelligence. I think intelligence is best defined as doing what you do best.

 

[Zadigdigs]

I'm INTP and stupid. I really think so (I destruct-test everything). I got a huge, useless memory and that's it.

 

[Otherside]

I'm INTP and stupid. I really think so (I destruct-test everything). I got a huge, useless memory and that's it.

Useless memory or memories?

 

[EditorOne]

Well, what the heck.
What are we talking about anyway? Intelligence as defined in Merriam Webster pretty much shouts "Things INTP do because they are INTP."

Definition of INTELLIGENCE

1
a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) c : mental acuteness : shrewdness



3
: the act of understanding : comprehension


So if I said "highly adaptable" and "able to quickly figure out what's what," there we are, INTP, point of the spear. It is demonstrated on thread after thread in here when people throw out problems and analysis and possible solutions follow like water in a rapids, lots of foam and swirling but it does move quickly.

So you've got an IQ test and really, you all have noticed that about 30-40 percent of the time you can figure out the answer from the question, right, especially multiple choice? And there's a time limit, so figuring it out quickly means we do better on the tests.

It is a peculiar thing that the most popular and widely respected IQ tests match up so well with our personality types, but even more peculiar that somehow our cultures are testing for things that come easy to a personality type most of the others can't figure out or understand. I'd put that in the "perplexing" category if I were the kind of person who categorizes things. Since I'm INTP, however, I'll just call it "interesting" and begin looking for other dots that might connect up and make some sense of it.

It is, remember, a gift, not an achievement. Although if you ever got punched around for scoring a perfect 100 on a tough test and making the curve steeper for your more muscular but less mentally agile classmates, maybe you don't think of it as much of a gift.

 

[Mello]

I think INTPs are the best learners and teachers.

 

[snafupants]

I think INTPs are the best learners and teachers.

Introverted thinking might underline the truth of the former and invalidate the latter. Many brilliant people make awful teachers.

 

[Mello]

Introverted thinking might underline the truth of the former and invalidate the latter. Many brilliant people make awful teachers.

Because many 'brilliant' people do not remember how to actually teach each others and themselves.

 

[snafupants]

Because many 'brilliant' people do not remember how to actually teach each others and themselves.

Yeah, there's a chronic misperception in academia that good scholars, intellectuals, researchers and so forth will somehow make good teachers. This is totally false.

 

[Mello]

I don't think money should be involved at all with teaching.

 

[Pyropyro]

Yeah, there's a chronic misperception in academia that good scholars, intellectuals, researchers and so forth will somehow make good teachers. This is totally false.

I think we're better off encouraging apprenticeship (ie. like a Plato for Socrates) in passing the skills and insights of intellectuals rather than diffusing them in a class setting.

 

[snafupants]

I see the last two posts as mildly related. That said, how would we ensure quality teaching in the absence of money and in the presence of one-on-one coaching? What would be the incentive to teach on a long-term basis without monetary compensation? Wouldn't lumping similar pupils together in small groups be more efficient?

I agree with the sentiments expressed in both posts, but I want to know about stuff like feasibility, accreditation and cultural acceptance of these practices. Ideally, though, we would tailor teaching to interest, aptitude, personality and learning style.

Historically it's been shown (through Hans Eysenck et al.) that when students with similar aptitudes are bunched together everyone benefits, compared to our Western way of shunting the bright and dull kids together, where if anyone benefits its dubiously those in the middle.

Consider how both the dull and bright pupil suffers when the instruction is directed at average students. I find this insane and archaic; this is suffering caused by kowtowing to political correctness.

Next to religion, respectability and tradition must be the biggest impediment to human evolution. May God help us...

 

[Otherside]

I think that INTPs tend to be so practiced in the art of thinking that they can't help but appear to be intelligent. I've seen references to a statistical link between the two, but I'm not sure it's an overwhelming correlation.

 

[EditorOne]

"Because many 'brilliant' people do not remember how to actually teach each others and themselves."

Not so much that, perhaps, as the introversion making them uncomfortable addressing a group and therefore preoccupying them, to the detriment of the teaching.

 

[snafupants]

"Because many 'brilliant' people do not remember how to actually teach each others and themselves."

Not so much that, perhaps, as the introversion making them uncomfortable addressing a group and therefore preoccupying them, to the detriment of the teaching.

There's an interplay between both of your comments. Because introverted thinking tends to be abstract and deductive and friendly to intuitive jumps in logic and synthesis, conveying that abstract information to others, in the same manner the information was learned, can be tricky. This condition is further exacerbated by the introverted dimension, and all of the indrawn and awkward and idiosyncratic learning styles that that entails.

 

[Pizzabeak]

The supposed characteristics of INTP can help the individual to realize his 'intelligence potential', but other factors play a part like family life/environment, zodiac sign; etc.

 

[Otherside]

The supposed characteristics of INTP can help the individual to realize his 'intelligence potential', but other factors play a part like family life/environment, zodiac sign; etc.

I'll bite. What effect does a zodiac sign have regarding intelligence (that can be measured), unless "Sagittarius" comes up in a spelling bee?

 

[Mello]

"Because many 'brilliant' people do not remember how to actually teach each others and themselves."

Not so much that, perhaps, as the introversion making them uncomfortable addressing a group and therefore preoccupying them, to the detriment of the teaching.

Very true. I was always afraid to speak my thoughts, but now I'm not so afraid.

 

[Otherside]

Very true. I was always afraid to speak my thoughts, but now I'm not so afraid.

"Nothing to fear but fear itself."

I've been a teacher, and didn't find it fearful. It was uncomfortable from an introvert's point of view.

 

[Katie]

I'm not too intelligent at all! Although extremely thoughtful, and I do read tons, mainly analytical psychology/developmental biology. But I forget everything! And I'm often seen as stupid and or ditzy but I'm not sure if that's just how i come off as or not. I envy all of you so much, you're all extremely intelligent and know tons about everything.

 

[ElvenVeil]

It would be silly to think that INTP = Intelligence
It is even more silly however, to consider zodiac signs, but I doubt that it was said in all seriousness

Ofc INTPs are among one the highest scoring types, when it comes to IQ tests, but most INTPs will likely not be gifted in any perticular way.

I don't think you find many, if any, extremely unintelligent people at fora, because they wouldn't have much to do there. Same would apply for the extremely intelligent (at least nothing to do here at INTP forum)

 

[ObliviousGenius]

Well let's see, there's NT rationality, P over J which makes a big difference in terms of being open-minded, and low Fe which helps remove irrational emotions. These facts help us to learn easier than any other type so it only makes sense that we may be smarter. Then you take into account Ti which is why we excel in IQ tests, because we are just using knowledge to follow a model such as math.

Personally, there are just some things that I innately understand. I also have a really good memory which I think is probably the biggest difference between me and typical people.