Imagination Time

[Spirit]

My kids have a strong imagination. Occasionally, I will ask them what they are doing when they are hanging out in their rooms. They will say, imagination time. They are preteens and I am wondering if any of you experienced this as a kid?

My kids are both N types, I am convinced.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Yes, just give me a blank piece of paper and some crayons and i will create my adventures.
Alternatively some plastic dinosaurs and a blanket will do.
It's incredible how that blanket can morph into thousands of acres when you look at it from the right perspective.

 

[Base groove]

My kids have a strong imagination. Occasionally, I will ask them what they are doing when they are hanging out in their rooms. They will say, imagination time. They are preteens and I am wondering if any of you experienced this as a kid?

Are you being serious?

My kids are both N types, I am convinced.

Why?

Do you think this will have some kind of positive impact on your parenting? Do you think it will be anything but destructive?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Why are you so negative, base groove?

 

[Base groove]

Why are you so negative, base groove?

Because contributing to a positive atmosphere in the face of stupidity is contrary to my personal objectives for interpersonal encounters.

Why are you such a twat?

 

[TimeAsylums]

Imagination Time

I was @summoned?

 

[Base groove]

I was @summoned?

No it was just your Imagination, Time.

 

[Spirit]

Yes, just give me a blank piece of paper and some crayons and i will create my adventures.
Alternatively some plastic dinosaurs and a blanket will do.
It's incredible how that blanket can morph into thousands of acres when you look at it from the right perspective.

My kids come up with these really elaborate stories. It is amazing to listen to them.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Why are you so negative, base groove?

How about different adjectives.

How about, sceptical, realistic. When an OP says so little it either means that whoever wrote hasn't really got his thoughts on the matter fleshed out enough for them to be meaningfully discussed (thus the thread becomes all about figuring out what its actually about) or the OP is simply stupid.

Why such hatred for induction and instinct. Typical J-dom behavior. The title of the thread is also not indicative of its content <-

 

[Spirit]

Are you being serious?

Let me explain this in a way YOU can understand.

Why?

I asked a question. If you have an answer yes or no, you can give it.

Do you think this will have some kind of positive impact on your parenting?

No

Do you think it will be anything but destructive?

No

 

[Cherry Cola]

But you didn't explain anything

 

[Spirit]

My kids have this secret inner world where they make stories and have created slang for the different characters. Most days they would rather do this than watch tv or go outside and play with their friends. I enjoy listening to the new characters that they create and am amazed that they are not writing the stories down but they can repeat the stories when speaking to a new person. I wanted to know if as a kid anyone experienced this kind of imagination and if they used the phrase "imagination time".

Why I think my kids are "N" types is not relevant to the question. I am convinced of their "N" qualities.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Because contributing to a positive atmosphere in the face of stupidity is contrary to my personal objectives for interpersonal encounters.

Why are you such a twat?

Good to know your "objectives for interpersonal encounters".

Obviously good manners and politeness, or even a merely civilized code of conduct are excluded from your agenda.

"The face of stupidity" is what YOU want to see...

If you can't and don't want to contribute to the topic at hand, feel free to do so,
but you have to ask yourself why you feel the need to rub your lack of anything tangible into everybody's face.

 

[TimeAsylums]

I was @summoned?

No it was just your Imagination, Time.

...synchronicty

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

How about different adjectives.

How about, sceptical, realistic. When an OP says so little it either means that whoever wrote hasn't really got his thoughts on the matter fleshed out enough for them to be meaningfully discussed (thus the thread becomes all about figuring out what its actually about) or the OP is simply stupid.

Why such hatred for induction and instinct. Typical J-dom behavior. The title of the thread is also not indicative of its content <-

Well, i can't see any reason to be sceptical from the get-go.

The title and the few lines provided by the OP are enough for me,
as a non-native english speaker, to understand the context.

The nature of a question indicates that one has not yet aquired a complete understanding of the matter at hand.

And a discussion is about bouncing IDEAS back and forth, thus furthering understanding.

If you don't want to be part of the discussion, why do you have to make a reply explaining nothing but your unwillingness,
and to add insult to injury, call the OP "stupid"?

Also, your accusation of "J-dom" behaviour is out of place.
It's actually T, and somehow i have the feeling that this is inTp forum.
Maybe it's not.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

My kids have this secret inner world where they make stories and have created slang for the different characters. Most days they would rather do this than watch tv or go outside and play with their friends. I enjoy listening to the new characters that they create and am amazed that they are not writing the stories down but they can repeat the stories when speaking to a new person. I wanted to know if as a kid anyone experienced this kind of imagination and if they used the phrase "imagination time".

Why I think my kids are "N" types is not relevant to the question. I am convinced of their "N" qualities.

I think this is indicative of a very healthy development and good parenting.
If you can keep the imaginative spark going and provide enough nourishment,
your children have everything they need in their life to be at peace with themselves.

Do your children sing?

 

[Base groove]

...synchronicty

yeah dude, big time.

It was me who summoned you.

> Quantum entanglement of minds, communicating faster than the speed of light, Ni brethren united (jk) ... ahh, who doesn't love a good imagination game?


Anyway @ the thread.

Sorry I was a narcissistic shit disturber. All kids play imagination games, therefore, your kids are not special. Posting about how your non-special kids are special is stupid = my 2 cents. Your limitations on type are destructive (to make it an even nickel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder#Social_and_environmental

 

[Spirit]

I think this is indicative of a very healthy development and good parenting.
If you can keep the imaginative spark going and provide enough nourishment,
your children have everything they need in their life to be at peace with themselves.

Do your children sing?

That is what I am working on providing for them. I am the only parent they have now.

My daughter likes to sing when she is listening to music but usually I will see her mouth moving but no sound coming out. My son does not sing unless he is joking.

 

[Spirit]

I was @summoned?

...synchronicty

Could be?

 

[Spirit]

Posting about how your non-special kids are special is stupid = my 2 cents. Your limitations on type are destructive (to make it an even nickel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder#Social_and_environmental

Posting about my kids is stupid?

I cannot get upset because you are operating outside a depth of intelligence that you cannot understand.

 

[Base groove]

Posting about my kids is stupid?

I cannot get upset because you are operating outside a depth of intelligence that you cannot understand.

hA. Where do you get this crap?

 

[Spirit]

hA. Where do you get this crap?

Your posting style. You have a consistent pattern that is easy to read. You are outside your depth.

 

[Base groove]

Your posting style. You have a consistent pattern that is easy to read. You are outside your depth.

You're a logical nightmare. These tactics you're using to bring me down are completely baseless without any sort of explanation. Otherwise you're just hurling insults.

I had a point and was clear about it. You ....

 

[Spirit]

You're a logical nightmare. These tactics you're using to bring me down are completely baseless without any sort of explanation. Otherwise you're just hurling insults.

I had a point and was clear about it. You ....

You think because someone states that an idea is outside your depth is a "putdown" or "insult"?

 

[Base groove]

You think because someone states that an idea is outside your depth is a "putdown" or "insult"?

Yes it is an insult to claim some realm of discussion is outside of the depth of any one individual's capacity for understanding. Yes.

But I can get over that .. because that's not what I'm focusing on.

I would like for you, to tell me, what the fuck you're getting at, instead of trying to twist a bunch of knots ... I want to know what aspect in particular is outside my realm of understanding?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

These tactics you're using to bring me down are completely baseless without any sort of explanation. Otherwise you're just hurling insults.

Wow, you must tell me how you can invert reality to such a degree despite the presence of obvious contrary evidence in your previous post.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Yes it is an insult to claim some realm of discussion is outside of the depth of any one individual's capacity for understanding. Yes.

But I can get over that .. because that's not what I'm focusing on.

I would like for you, to tell me, what the fuck you're getting at, instead of trying to twist a bunch of knots ... I want to know what aspect in particular is outside my realm of understanding?

Just look at your posts.
If you can't see it yourself then there's also no way anyone can explain it to you.

Also you are contradicting yourself (marked green and red).

 

[Base groove]

I already explained that I had a point and made it clearly. From this perspective, the fact that it might have been insulting is irrelevant because I still made my point of view accessible.

However, Spirit has taken to insulting me without explaining anything. This is a classic sign of butthurt and I'm presently trying to diffuse it by inquiring about the nature of my stupidity that he is able to perceive.

Salmoneus, is being a twat. You aren't explaining anything either, you're using the same garbage logic ... "if you can't see it for yourself, I can't help you understand"

more butthurt as far as I'm concerned, and it will remain that way until somebody explains what is outside of the depth of my perspective?? You can't, because it's a total bullshit accusation that is BASELESS and GROUNDLESS as I've already proclaimed. Idiots.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

That is what I am working on providing for them. I am the only parent they have now.

My daughter likes to sing when she is listening to music but usually I will see her mouth moving but no sound coming out. My son does not sing unless he is joking.

The only parent?
Oh, that's tough.
But i'm sure you can handle it, as i said earlier, you seem to be parenting well already.

Singing is very essential to induce a feeling of self-confidence and also to soften the "body problem" that usually arises around puberty.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

It's good that you insist on continuing to contribute in a mature and above all else, well-adjusted and topical way.

Can you repeat the important point that you made? I seem to have overlooked it.

 

[Spirit]

I already explained that I had a point and made it clearly. From this perspective, the fact that it might have been insulting is irrelevant because I still made my point of view accessible.

However, Spirit has taken to insulting me without explaining anything. This is a classic sign of butthurt and I'm presently trying to diffuse it by inquiring about the nature of my stupidity that he is able to perceive.

Salmoneus, is being a twat. You aren't explaining anything either, you're using the same garbage logic ... "if you can't see it for yourself, I can't help you understand"

more butthurt as far as I'm concerned, and it will remain that way until somebody explains what is outside of the depth of my perspective?? You can't, because it's a total bullshit accusation that is BASELESS and GROUNDLESS as I've already proclaimed. Idiots.

As a pre-teen, did you make up intricate stories shared between you and your sibling?
Do each one of you remember in detail the stories and repeat them other people? Have you used the phrase "Imagination time" to describe what you are doing when you are coming up with the stories?

 

[Cognisant]

They need books, fiction to begin with, then notebooks and pens, once they start writing provide them with informative books that are relevant to their stories, for instance if they start writing about a fantasy setting find them books on medieval medicine, food, culture, weapons, etc, and just history in general, whereas if the get into science fiction give them a popular mechanics magazine and books on computers, circuitry and other technologies.

 

[Base groove]

I believe what I was trying to explain is that nearly everybody practices with their imagination when they're young as it's a fundamental component of psychological functioning.

So, operating from this premise, we might conclude there is nothing special about it, therefore, it hardly qualifies as 'good material'.

Personally I don't think it's practical to encourage imaginative play past a certain threshold because it can lead to disillusionment and over-attachment to fantasy.

I think that your examples are early warning signs and that you should interfere ... maybe not too forcefully, however, emphasizing the "N" aspect of their personalities in conjunction with your observations make for a pretty clear picture of what's happening.

Asking other forumites if they have enjoyed using their imaginations as pre-teens is potentially seen as a front or facade to take the opportunity to talk about your kids in this thread ... which I personally think is stupid.

 

[Spirit]

The only parent?
Oh, that's tough.
But i'm sure you can handle it, as i said earlier, you seem to be parenting well already.

Singing is very essential to induce a feeling of self-confidence and also to soften the "body problem" that usually arises around puberty.

Parenting is not easy but it has given me a reason to focus on areas I have struggled with patience and emotions. It has also taught me to not get too excited about insults or compliments.

That is a very interesting perspective on singing. Why is singing a sign of confidence?

 

[Spirit]

They need books, fiction to begin with, then notebooks and pens, once they start writing provide them with informative books that are relevant to their stories, for instance if they start writing about a fantasy setting find them books on medieval medicine, food, culture, weapons, etc, and just history in general, whereas if the get into science fiction give them a popular mechanics magazine and books on computers, circuitry and other technologies.

That is a good idea. My kids are voracious readers. For example, my son spends at least an hour at the library everyday. I encourage them to read about subjects they are interested in. I also enroll them in 5 day "camps" to introduce new ideas or perspectives... computer, 4h, woodworking, dance, martial arts and sewing to name several.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

They need books, fiction to begin with, then notebooks and pens, once they start writing provide them with informative books that are relevant to their stories, for instance if they start writing about a fantasy setting find them books on medieval medicine, food, culture, weapons, etc, and just history in general, whereas if the get into science fiction give them a popular mechanics magazine and books on computers, circuitry and other technologies.

I'm not sure if this is a universally applicable idea and i will try to explain why:

When you are imaginative, you usually don't need input from the outside world all that much,
on the contrary, there is a very strong instinct to generate ideas and "content" within and then express it.
So, too much input from outside in the forms you suggested can bury that instinct and transform it into its opposite.

 

[Base groove]

So, too much input from outside in the forms you suggested can bury that instinct and transform it into its opposite.

 

[Spirit]

I believe what I was trying to explain is that nearly everybody practices with their imagination when they're young as it's a fundamental component of psychological functioning.

So, operating from this premise, we might conclude there is nothing special about it, therefore, it hardly qualifies as 'good material'.

Personally I don't think it's practical to encourage imaginative play past a certain threshold because it can lead to disillusionment and over-attachment to fantasy.

I think that your examples are early warning signs and that you should interfere ... maybe not too forcefully, however, emphasizing the "N" aspect of their personalities in conjunction with your observations make for a pretty clear picture of what's happening.

Asking other forumites if they have enjoyed using their imaginations as pre-teens is potentially seen as a front or facade to take the opportunity to talk about your kids in this thread ... which I personally think is stupid.

I never stated my kids are special. You based your responses on the faulty premise that "Spirit think his kids are special".

My kids a well grounded in reality and there are a lot of things I do with them to ensure that they will be full functioning mature adults. However, this was not about whether they are grounded in reality or need an intervention. So, if the thread does not relate to your experience, my original post is beneath you or you think "my kids are stupid". Why spend the time to answer in this thread?

 

[Base groove]

So, if the thread does not relate to your experience, my original post is beneath you or you think "my kids are stupid". Why spend the time to answer in this thread?

Let's just have a closer look at this...

if the thread does not relate to your experience

It does. My official stance is it (the experience) is nearly universal in magnitude.

my original post is beneath you

Same butt-hurt insult/retaliation you have already overused.

you think "my kids are stupid"

When did I say that? Never.


~~

Making threads about your kids doing everyday kid-like things and innocently posing a mock inquiry into how extraordinary it is ... = stupid.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Parenting is not easy but it has given me a reason to focus on areas I have struggled with patience and emotions. It has also taught me to not get too excited about insults or compliments.

That is a very interesting perspective on singing. Why is singing a sign of confidence?

And that's what i find so fascinating about this topic,
that it's not a one-directional parent-child relationship,
but that it works bi-directional.

Not only do parents raise their children,
their children also raise their parents.

Singing can be a good tool to just initiate a general feeling of being confident within one's own body.

I'm sure many people can relate to the problem of stage fright,
and many introverts i know have a problem with dancing.

Essentially, the earlier the child develops this confidence,
the stronger, smoother and sustainable is the process of individuation/identity formation.

I think Waldorf pedagogy has some interesting insights to offer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_Education#Educational_practice

 

[Spirit]

Let's just have a closer look at this...



It does. My official stance is it (the experience) is nearly universal in magnitude.



Same butt-hurt insult/retaliation you have already overused.



When did I say that? Never.


~~

Making threads about your kids doing everyday kid-like things and innocently posing a mock inquiry into how extraordinary it is ... = stupid.

You are a very intelligent person. Thank you for your opinion.

 

[Spirit]

And that's what i find so fascinating about this topic,
that it's not a one-directional parent-child relationship,
but that it works bi-directional.

Not only do parents raise their children,
their children also raise their parents.

Singing can be a good tool to just initiate a general feeling of being confident within one's own body.

I'm sure many people can relate to the problem of stage fright,
and many introverts i know have a problem with dancing.

Essentially, the earlier the child develops this confidence,
the stronger and smoother is the process of individuation/identity formation.

I think Waldorf pedagogy has some interesting insights to offer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_Education#Educational_practice

In an effort to make writing for school more interesting to my son, I asked him to take some of his favorite characters in comics/books and write how they would respond to certain incidents in human history.

We were listening to classical music and we came up with a game and tried to create a few stories based on the rhythm of the music just like they did in Tom and Jerry.

I will check out your suggestion on Waldorf pedagogy.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I believe what I was trying to explain is that nearly everybody practices with their imagination when they're young as it's a fundamental component of psychological functioning.

So, operating from this premise, we might conclude there is nothing special about it, therefore, it hardly qualifies as 'good material'.1

...

Asking other forumites if they have enjoyed using their imaginations as pre-teens is potentially seen as a front or facade to take the opportunity to talk about your kids in this thread ... which I personally think is stupid.2

1
Pedagogy hardly is a trivial matter.
It's your lack of definition that makes it seem trivial to you.
If that's the problem, then simply occupy yourself with that which you consider worthy of your attention.
Problem solved.

Also, your definition of "good material" is primarily in your head and it is a bit daunting to expect others to cater to your taste exclusively.

You have the opportunity to provide "good material", but so far i fail to see anything other than "i'm not interested in discussing the topic, so i allow myself to hijack this thread and make it a little bit more about me".

Attention-seeking is a sign for something very specific...
Maybe you should intervene before it's too late...

2
By whom exactly?
I'm not under that impression at all.
Why is that?
Why do you invent such a premise?
Does it have something to do with how you look at it?
Is the problem created by you?
Who could then solve it?

So...
back to topic.

It is not trivial and it is an important fundament of further individuation.
Either you nourish the creative thinking ability or
you nourish analytical thinking ability.
The choice can be made easier by looking at what is already there.
Of course, it is possible to arbitrarily choose the direction,
but that would make the process a struggle rather than a flow.

 

[Base groove]

You have the opportunity to provide "good material", but so far i fail to see anything other than "i'm not interested in discussing the topic, so i allow myself to hijack this thread and make it a little bit more about me".

Attention-seeking is a sign for something very specific...
Maybe you should intervene before it's too late...

back to topic.

It is not trivial and it is an important fundament of further individuation.
Either you nourish the creative thinking ability or
you nourish analytical thinking ability.
The choice can be made easier by looking at what is already there.
Of course, it is possible to arbitrarily choose the direction,
but that would make the process a struggle rather than a flow.

You keep on singing your twat anthem, then. Fly your twat flag. I don't care.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

You keep on singing your twat anthem, then. Fly your twat flag. I don't care.

As long as i don't have a definition of what your gutter language expressions are supposed to convey, i couldn't care less.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Sorry I was a narcissistic shit disturber. All kids play imagination games, therefore, your kids are not special. Posting about how your non-special kids are special is stupid = my 2 cents. Your limitations on type are destructive (to make it an even nickel).

Where did he post that his kids are special?
He is clearly asking whether someone has experienced something like this.

So your point is?
That this kind of mbti assignment thing is destructive? Leads to schizotypy?

 

[Base groove]

My kids have a strong imagination. Occasionally, I will ask them what they are doing when they are hanging out in their rooms. They will say, imagination time. They are preteens and I am wondering if any of you experienced this as a kid?

My kids are both N types, I am convinced.

Where did he post that his kids are special?
He is clearly asking whether someone has experienced something like this.

So your point is?
That this kind of mbti assignment thing is destructive? Leads to schizotypy?

It is quite clear that the OP portrays a favorable light on the 'strong' imagination and links it directly to being an 'N type'. It doesn't have to be objectively stated it can be sufficiently interpreted from the language that he used.

The misinterpretations have blown this dispute to higher and higher magnitudes when initially I meant to convey skepticism and, yes, contempt.

With regards to schizotypy ... I believe the link I posted articulates the idea that schizotypal PD has a strong 'nurture' component. I was linking this developmental issue with a parent's tendency to encourage imaginative play and cautioning the OP that wanton abuse of fantastical playtime might create permanent effects if it is left unchecked.

In addition, misapplication of psychological concepts based on stereotypes can also have detrimental effects as I believe people need healthy exposure to all kinds of play, not just introverted/imaginative play.

In effect, yes, it can lead to schizotypal PD; I don't see how this is not a risk factor.

...this has led to Spirit becoming defensive about his parenting skills and taking this opportunity not to discuss the merits of imaginative play-time but instead talk about how good of a parent he actually is. It looks to me like he took my criticism quite personally, however I responded directly to the content that was originally provided.

I think it's great that he offers a variety of activities for his kids and obviously I was wrong to imply he's a bad parent. Is that what this is about?

I'm sorry that everybody got so upset about it, maybe they should cry into a pillow.

As long as Salmoneus continues to imply that I have psychological disturbances that cause me to act out, instead of fucking off like he should ... I'll continue to call him a twat. Comprende?

His method of 'deconstructing' my posts is to apply Socratic questioning, only he does so with clear overtones of rhetorical pandering in an effort to steer me to his perverted conclusion rather than a pure conclusion of truth. This is utterly twat-like if you ask me.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

All my childhood was imagination time.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

It is quite clear that the OP portrays a favorable light on the 'strong' imagination and links it directly to being an 'N type'. It doesn't have to be objectively stated it can be sufficiently interpreted from the language that he used.

Some N-elitism can be sensed, it's up to the OP to dismiss that.

With regards to schizotypy ... I believe the link I posted articulates the idea that schizotypal PD has a strong 'nurture' component. I was linking this developmental issue with a parent's tendency to encourage imaginative play and cautioning the OP that wanton abuse of fantastical playtime might create permanent effects if it is left unchecked.

So what you meant that there should be a real aspect to the parenting? Engaging the kids in social interactions and social experiences? I would agree with this.

In addition, misapplication of psychological concepts based on stereotypes can also have detrimental effects as I believe people need healthy exposure to all kinds of play, not just introverted/imaginative play.

Okay, I agree with this, specialisation and preference will come naturally with age, now it is necessary to provide various stimuli/experiences.

I think it's great that he offers a variety of activities for his kids and obviously I was wrong to imply he's a bad parent. Is that what this is about?

I'm sorry that everybody got so upset about it, maybe they should cry into a pillow.

Why did you enter this agressive position? Obviously if you falsely attacked someone then you will receive a negative response.

His method of 'deconstructing' my posts is to apply Socratic questioning, only he does so with clear overtones of rhetorical pandering in an effort to steer me to his pervertedconclusion rather than a pure conclusion of truth. This is utterly twat-like if you ask me.

What conclusion would you consider perverted?
One that you dislike? Arguments should be countered, or would you simply call every thing baseless? Then how was your calling something baseless different from Spirit telling you that you operate on a different depth?

To OP:
Yes, I spent a lot of time playing imagination games.

 

[Base groove]

What conclusion would you consider perverted? That I am narcissistic and attention seeking, that I have disturbances.
One that you dislike? Arguments should be countered, or would you simply call every thing baseless? Baseless, of course.

Then how was your calling something baseless different from Spirit telling you that you operate on a different depth?

One was a reply to an unnecessary ad-hominem meant to shame somebody for their public behaviour/ lack of manners.

The other was an overt insult/ ad-hominem.

Both of these differ from me calling the general premise of the thread "stupid"

1. I did not call Spirit a stupid person
2. I did not say anything negative about his children

I took an "aggressive stance" against the idea that he was trying to pander. It's not a crime. They both reacted directly to my bad manners with ad-hominems/insults. So, I called him (S) a twat. An exchange of ad-homs. (You'll recall he started this whole bullshit with "BG, why are you so negative"), just because I was skeptical.