Imagination Time

[Spirit]

Well, I certainly have a lot more to think about here.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Both of these differ from me calling the general premise of the thread "stupid"

One simple thing when there is a thread that you consider stupid is not to post in that thread, some poeple might find it meaningful. Other than that you are fine with calling a thread stupid as your contribution, but isn't it itself as a contribution to the stupid thread stupid?

I took an "aggressive stance" against the idea that he was trying to pander. It's not a crime. They both reacted directly to my bad manners with ad-hominems/insults. So, I called him (S) a twat. An exchange of ad-homs. (You'll recall he started this whole bullshit with "BG, why are you so negative"), just because I was skeptical.

I think this clears some bias that arose with time. I don't want to further moderate that thing between both of you, as you are perfectly able to do so yourself, however he just reacted to your contribution, asking you, why did you reject the entire thread outright, didn't he? It is not starting a bullshit, it is an attempt at determining why something else is bullshit imo.

Over, good luck.

 

[Helvete]

I don't think the OP necessarily thinks his kids are special or above other kids; rather he's very proud of a quality of theirs and wants some feedback/comparison and wants some general discussion about this.

Base groove has made it quite clear why he thinks the topic is redundant and trivial, has backtracked a couple of times where he's overstepped with a couple of assumptions; but his initial point, his main point of focus still hasn't been addressed properly by the OP and is still unexplained.
The advice offered was a complete waste too, from the attitude you adopted from the offset the OP isn't going to take anything you say seriously, in terms of upbringing. If you went by a different tone I think you may have got more answers. Unlike some of the other posters here who think you're disinterested in this 'stupid' topic, they're clearly wrong, else you wouldn't be here. Plus I think you'd like to see how you could be wrong; it's boring to be right the whole time.

The OP and salmon are being way too defensive and fail to address Base groove's points which is only helping to flame the situation.

I found this an amusing read 'till it got more and more boring. There're problems all around here, sort it out.

There's definitely variance in kids imaginations and also how they're displayed; some will be much more open than others but could match each other in the amount of ideas they have. Whilst other kids would vary up and down the spectrum. I'd probably have more to say if I had any kids, probably find it more interesting too.

 

[Base groove]

One simple thing when there is a thread that you consider stupid is not to post in that thread, some poeple might find it meaningful. Other than that you are fine with calling a thread stupid as your contribution, but isn't it itself as a contribution to the stupid thread stupid?

In your last post, you concurred with 2-3 of the points-of-view I've expressed in this thread. Those were my contributions. Tact and graciousness be damned.

I don't take kindly to criticisms about my manners or public behaviour as long as I feel I've made a legitimate contribution to the discussion at hand; any twat who is going to make speculative remarks at my psychological constituents can go to hell.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

It is quite clear that the OP portrays a favorable light on the 'strong' imagination and links it directly to being an 'N type'. It doesn't have to be objectively stated it can be sufficiently interpreted from the language that he used.

The misinterpretations have blown this dispute to higher and higher magnitudes when initially I meant to convey skepticism and, yes, contempt.1

With regards to schizotypy ... I believe the link I posted articulates the idea that schizotypal PD has a strong 'nurture' component.2 I was linking this developmental issue with a parent's tendency to encourage imaginative play and cautioning the OP that wanton abuse of fantastical playtime might create permanent effects if it is left unchecked.3

In addition, misapplication of psychological concepts based on stereotypes can also have detrimental effects as I believe people need healthy exposure to all kinds of play, not just introverted/imaginative play.4

In effect, yes, it can lead to schizotypal PD; I don't see how this is not a risk factor.5

...this has led to Spirit becoming defensive about his parenting skills and taking this opportunity not to discuss the merits of imaginative play-time but instead talk about how good of a parent he actually is.6 It looks to me like he took my criticism quite personally, however I responded directly to the content that was originally provided.7

I think it's great that he offers a variety of activities for his kids and obviously I was wrong to imply he's a bad parent. Is that what this is about?8

I'm sorry that everybody got so upset about it, maybe they should cry into a pillow.9

As long as Salmoneus continues to imply that I have psychological disturbances10 that cause me to act out, instead of fucking off like he should ... I'll continue to call him a twat. Comprende?11

His method of 'deconstructing' my posts is to apply Socratic questioning12, only he does so with clear overtones of rhetorical pandering in an effort to steer me to his perverted conclusion13 rather than a pure conclusion of truth. This is utterly twat-like if you ask me.14

1 You had the opportunity to not pour more oil into the flame, which you continually failed to realize.

2 That's true for all personality disorders, the question is why is this specific personality disorder relevant to the information discussed here.

3 Baseless speculation.

4 If you had said that earlier, i would have agreed.
So, why did you not make that point in understandable English earlier?

5 That's your opinion, but there's no evidence to suggest that this is an established fact.

6 Baseless projection.

7 You launched a personal insult without provocation and constructed the justification for it post factum instead of having the guts to apologize.

8 Part of it is.

9 You can't make an honest apology without being nasty at the same time, can you?

10 Proof?

11 Projection.

12 And my "perverted conclusions" are?

13 Ah, so you claim that your subjective opinions are truths?
How could anyone but you trust this conclusion when you ignore to enlighten us about the reasoning that led you to that conclusion?

14 I think personally insulting someone over the internet is cowardly and an indication of compulsory aggression, which itself is indication of something else, but i will not go there because of the risk of deconstructing you totally.
That would be irresponsible of me.

Here's a riddle for you to solve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmhd9FU43oE

 

[Base groove]

1 You had the opportunity to not pour more oil into the flame, which you continually failed to realize. twat

2 That's true for all personality disorders, no it is not. the question is why is this specific personality disorder relevant to the information discussed here. Because this specific disorder is the biggest risk factor in this context from what I can tell.

3 Baseless speculation. No, I supplied my evidence.

4 If you had said that earlier, i would have agreed.
So, why did you not make that point in understandable English earlier? I did, in my first post, I asked him if he thinks it would be anything but destructive.

5 That's your opinion, but there's no evidence to suggest that this is an established fact. Yes there is; I provided it already. You're ignoring it, twat.

6 Baseless projection. Plenty of evidence in his posts to prove that what I stated in comment 6 is in fact not baseless, twat.

7 You launched a personal insult without provocation and constructed the justification for it post factum instead of having the guts to apologize. No, the first personal insult came directly from you.

8 Part of it is. Well you're going to have to get over it.

9 You can't make an honest apology without being nasty at the same time, can you? Yes, I can.

10 Proof? Proof is in your posts. You implied I was attention seeking and narcissistic through text and visual imagery. Don't deny it, twat.

11 Projection. Uh, no .. how? Why?

12 And my "perverted conclusions" are? Already been explained, twat.

13 Ah, so you claim that your subjective opinions are truths?
How could anyone but you trust this conclusion when you ignore to enlighten us about the reasoning that led you to that conclusion? It is self-evident. You're weaving spiderwebs in an effort to cloud the perception-field and obscure critical judgement. In effect, you are still being a twat, twat.

14 I think personally insulting someone over the internet is cowardly and an indication of compulsory aggression, which itself is indication of something else, but i will not go there because of the risk of deconstructing you totally.
That would be irresponsible of me. I didn't insult anybody overtly, actually, that was what the both of you did. You seem to have the idea that one's personal character is inextricably tied to their ideas, so when I take a stance against an idea, it's akin to taking a stance against one's personal character, and retaliation occurs in kind. One more reason for me to call you a fucking twat, really. Get fucked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmhd9FU43oE

Go get your Fe checked, man, get the fuck off my case.

 

[Spirit]

The OP and salmon are being way too defensive and fail to address Base groove's points which is only helping to flame the situation.

I made a statement in the first post about imagination and then followed up with this quote.

. I wanted to know if as a kid anyone experienced this kind of imagination and if they used the phrase "imagination time".

I wanted to know if anyone had experienced this first hand as a pre-teen or the situation on a daily basis as parents of pre-teens.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Go get your Fe checked, man, get the fuck off my case.

Only if you promise me to keep exposing your best qualities the way you did up to this point.

I think your confuse lack of Fe with being auto-aggressive and anti-social.
Check your serotonin levels.

 

[Helvete]

I made a statement in the first post about imagination and then followed up with this quote.



I wanted to know if anyone had experienced this first hand as a pre-teen or the situation on a daily basis as parents of pre-teens.

And what's the criteria for that kind of imagination? Making up detailed stories and being able to recount them to other people? What else do they do? Where does their imagination lack? Are the kids who are too shy or for whatever reason don't present these openly excluded from your interest?