I'm not sure of my type

[inaworldofherown]

I probably never will be. I'm postiive on the Introversion though. I don't know if my age affects things. I am in my 40s. Apart from the Jung test where i score INTJ every time, i score INTP. On the MMDI test i am always equal or the percentages are one out between INTP & INTJ. Yes i know tests don't tell you everything. I don't know if this means anything but today i did something that made me think that socially i am pretty inept at times. In my office a woman was telling us about her first date with her husband. All very cute & whatnot. Then she tells us the film they went to see; Mash. I've been silent all along but now i begin to excitedly list the names of the actors who were in it. I only got the 2 main stars out (Elliot Gould & Donald Sutherland) before i realised that nobody was interested. It's not the first time i've rattled off some random fact in the middle of a conversation that i'm not taking part in. What else? Well sometimes i think i can be a bit literal. Like the time i was watching a cartoon about lions with my 2 young nephews & i corrected a line that came out that the lion is the king of the jungle. I told them that lions don't live in the jungle & they disagreed with me. I was quite prepared to explain to then they got distracted by something else. It's probably not important whether or not the lion is king or lives in the jungle but i thought they needed to know Also i think that kids should be told the truth if they ask a question about something but if they are someone else's you have to make allowances.

 

[Adymus]

Usually Older = more developed

But yeah, the first conversation you brought up made you sound pretty adaptive to me (And by adaptive I mean P.) It also sounds like you have a little bit of Fe going for you if you noticed that the group was not interested.

The fact that you would nit pick on the king of the jungle thing sounds all too Ti as well.

So yeah, I think you are most likely an INTP.

Have you at least read up on the differences between the two?

 

[KazeCraven]

You could also take the "triangulation" approach...

http://www.infj.com/MenuTTM.htm#Introduction to Theories & Models

That link leads to three different ways to look at personality:
-Type (Cognitive Processes)
-Temperament
-Interaction Style

Or you could take the shortcut and go with my gut reaction: INTP.

Nothing says INTP like the truth.

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

I probably never will be. I'm postiive on the Introversion though. I don't know if my age affects things. I am in my 40s. Apart from the Jung test where i score INTJ every time, i score INTP. On the MMDI test i am always equal or the percentages are one out between INTP & INTJ. Yes i know tests don't tell you everything. I don't know if this means anything but today i did something that made me think that socially i am pretty inept at times. In my office a woman was telling us about her first date with her husband. All very cute & whatnot. Then she tells us the film they went to see; Mash. I've been silent all along but now i begin to excitedly list the names of the actors who were in it. I only got the 2 main stars out (Elliot Gould & Donald Sutherland) before i realised that nobody was interested. It's not the first time i've rattled off some random fact in the middle of a conversation that i'm not taking part in. What else? Well sometimes i think i can be a bit literal. Like the time i was watching a cartoon about lions with my 2 young nephews & i corrected a line that came out that the lion is the king of the jungle. I told them that lions don't live in the jungle & they disagreed with me. I was quite prepared to explain to then they got distracted by something else. It's probably not important whether or not the lion is king or lives in the jungle but i thought they needed to know Also i think that kids should be told the truth if they ask a question about something but if they are someone else's you have to make allowances.

to be honest, i was thinking the jungle thing was more of a j thing. as an intp, i cant really see myself interrupting something saying "no thats wrong" i would just think it in my head and pass it along.
however, if someone where to come along and tell me i was wrong, and i had logical reason to think it were right, i would debate it out.

 

[Adymus]

to be honest, i was thinking the jungle thing was more of a j thing. as an intp, i cant really see myself interrupting something saying "no thats wrong" i would just think it in my head and pass it along.
however, if someone where to come along and tell me i was wrong, and i had logical reason to think it were right, i would debate it out.

Well consider that his correction of the king of the jungle title is a very benign statement, chances are nobody is going to get their feelings hurt if they get called out on it. It's not like they themselves coined the phrase. plus, it was the TV that said it, not some guy with an opinion. It appears he did it as more of a way of being funny than anything. I can totally imagine myself doing the same think, in fact, I've done it in similar circumstances.

It's pretty Ti, man. The need for clarification and all.

 

[Toad]

You sound like an INTJ to me.

BTW, what do you do for a living?

 

[Zero]

With INTJ and INTP it seems like one of the deciding factors is whether or not you need to make conclusions to move on with something or if you like having flexibility. INTPs don't tend to like to feel overly committed to something.

INTJ/Ps can be argumentative, socially awkward and information collectors. I think Js, who have F as their third functions, tend to be more worried about relationships when they're younger and want to push (to have) relationships. Ps apparently develop F later, though that's not always true. Especially with those on the fence.

 

[inaworldofherown]

Usually Older = more developed

But yeah, the first conversation you brought up made you sound pretty adaptive to me (And by adaptive I mean P.) It also sounds like you have a little bit of Fe going for you if you noticed that the group was not interested.

The fact that you would nit pick on the king of the jungle thing sounds all too Ti as well.

So yeah, I think you are most likely an INTP.

Have you at least read up on the differences between the two?

Have read up numerous times, have perused the numerous threads re am i intp or intj. Little bit of Fe is right; if i had had it properly developed i'm sure i would have known to keep my gob shut in the first place lol.

to be honest, i was thinking the jungle thing was more of a j thing. as an intp, i cant really see myself interrupting something saying "no thats wrong" i would just think it in my head and pass it along.
however, if someone where to come along and tell me i was wrong, and i had logical reason to think it were right, i would debate it out.

I've been doing the "that's wrong, actually" since i was a little girl; more so then than i do now. As i grew up i learned to keep opinions to myself but now, as a middle aged adult I've got to the point that if it needs saying then i will say it. But still not all the time. In this case they were my nephews & they needed to be taught the truth.

You sound like an INTJ to me.

BTW, what do you do for a living?

I work for the council in administration. Have been in the same job for 22 yrs. Had numerous temporary jobs before; all office work. It's not what i wanted to do when i was growing up but here i am, at least i'm employed & earning & it isn't too bad. I've never really had the ambition or follow through to persue any career.

With INTJ and INTP it seems like one of the deciding factors is whether or not you need to make conclusions to move on with something or if you like having flexibility. INTPs don't tend to like to feel overly committed to something.

INTJ/Ps can be argumentative, socially awkward and information collectors. I think Js, who have F as their third functions, tend to be more worried about relationships when they're younger and want to push (to have) relationships. Ps apparently develop F later, though that's not always true. Especially with those on the fence.

I don't like to feel too committed but i do like to have an idea of where something is going. Sorry i'm half following you ( i am tired) but i assume you mean Fi for NTJ & Fe for INTP? Either way i'd say my Fi was stronger than my Fe. Correct me if i'm wrong about the Fs. Yes i was more worried about relationships when i was younger but i think that's just part of being young & still unsure of oneself. Not that i'm entirely not unsure now but i am more comfortable in my own skin.
Thanks for all your replies & suggestions.

 

[Zero]

I don't know that the function order matters too much. It does matter, but the hard thing is that it tends to shift and change as we grow.

The big difference between me and my INTJ friend was how we expressed our thoughts. He always drew conclusions and I never meant for him to draw conclusions from what I was saying. When I expressed something I meant it more like a theory, but he would take it like a conclusion.

Don't know if it's much help. There is an INTJ forum, I actually enjoy both, though most of my MBTI time is spent here.

 

[Adymus]

You still sound like an INTP to me... Tell me more about why you think you have stronger than Fi, I'd like to explore that a bit. It's pretty common that INTP's mix up their emotions with the Fi discernment function.

 

[fullerene]

I wrote some cognitive function descriptions for this site, which have gotten overwhelmingly positive comments (from people who had whichever one as their dominant functions). I never did get around to Fi/Ti, because the INFP I asked about it was quite upset by it, so I took it back down for reworking (never got around to reposting it)... but the Ni/Ne and Te/Fe descriptions still might help.

I find the Ni/Ne distinctions easiest to tell apart, when looking at the INTx's.

 

[Adymus]

I wrote some cognitive function descriptions for this site, which have gotten overwhelmingly positive comments (from people who had whichever one as their dominant functions). I never did get around to Fi/Ti, because the INFP I asked about it was quite upset by it, so I took it back down for reworking (never got around to reposting it)... but the Ni/Ne and Te/Fe descriptions still might help.

I find the Ni/Ne distinctions easiest to tell apart, when looking at the INTx's.

These are excellent, I'm going to start referring people to this when they need explanations.

"While Ne diverges from one point into many, Ni synthesizes many points into one."

That's so eloquently put that I am disappointed that I didn't come up with it.

 

[inaworldofherown]

I wrote some cognitive function descriptions for this site, which have gotten overwhelmingly positive comments (from people who had whichever one as their dominant functions). I never did get around to Fi/Ti, because the INFP I asked about it was quite upset by it, so I took it back down for reworking (never got around to reposting it)... but the Ni/Ne and Te/Fe descriptions still might help.

I find the Ni/Ne distinctions easiest to tell apart, when looking at the INTx's.

Thank you i read this & it was most helpful

 

[inaworldofherown]

You still sound like an INTP to me... Tell me more about why you think you have stronger than Fi, I'd like to explore that a bit. It's pretty common that INTP's mix up their emotions with the Fi discernment function.

I had a think about this & now i'm not sure! I had a sort of answer in my head & it just went pfft.

 

[TheHmmmm]

I wrote some cognitive function descriptions for this site, which have gotten overwhelmingly positive comments (from people who had whichever one as their dominant functions). I never did get around to Fi/Ti, because the INFP I asked about it was quite upset by it, so I took it back down for reworking (never got around to reposting it)... but the Ni/Ne and Te/Fe descriptions still might help.

I find the Ni/Ne distinctions easiest to tell apart, when looking at the INTx's.

As an INTJ, some aspects of the Ni description unsettle me. I'm not exactly great at perceiving hidden meanings as I am at immediately grasping concepts. I think some may perceive Ni as a little too abstract, as I and the INTJ's I know favor concrete reasoning and presentation. Oh and the "honestly believe that both [contradictory points of view] are true" makes us sound kinda crazy, reminds me of doublethink. I don't think I utilize doublethink...

 

[inaworldofherown]

You still sound like an INTP to me... Tell me more about why you think you have stronger than Fi, I'd like to explore that a bit. It's pretty common that INTP's mix up their emotions with the Fi discernment function.

According to one of the cognitive functions tests i've taken (a couple of times) on each occasion i've got "good use" for Fi & "unused" for Fe. Came out INTP on it by the way. How am i supposed to behave according to my Fs? Is the Fi more to do with one's own personal values & is that why you often get INFPs being accused of irrational?

 

[Aiss]

^ Functions tests aren't very accurate, especially when it comes to 3rd and 4th function. Many INTPs score higher on Fi than Fe, probably because of preference for introverted judgement (the common factor with our dominant, Ti). Same happens with Te higher than/equal to Fe (preference for T), or Ni challenging Si (preference for N). Because it's quite repetitive I think it shows a weakness of the tests rather than unusual function order (in most cases at least). The only function it doesn't seem to happen with INTPs is Se... it's almost as if i/e was only important for judgment in these tests.

 

[fullerene]

ahh, thanks TheHmmmm.

Most of the INTJ-additions to the Ni description were from one guy, sadly, and he was way brighter than your average INTJ. Much of the input on it was from the INFJs though. I'll try to rethink it, if it makes you uncomfortable.... but honestly, I wrote it a long time ago, and my motivation has passed, so I don't think it's likely to change.

 

[inaworldofherown]

^ Functions tests aren't very accurate, especially when it comes to 3rd and 4th function. Many INTPs score higher on Fi than Fe, probably because of preference for introverted judgement (the common factor with our dominant, Ti). Same happens with Te higher than/equal to Fe (preference for T), or Ni challenging Si (preference for N). Because it's quite repetitive I think it shows a weakness of the tests rather than unusual function order (in most cases at least). The only function it doesn't seem to happen with INTPs is Se... it's almost as if i/e was only important for judgment in these tests.

A better version of the test needs to be created. I don't understand how my Fe is unused or else i wouldn't have any friends at all. It's the one you use to get on with people, yes? And be polite. Please & thankyou were drummed into me from an early age & i will sometimes stand for ages holding a door open for people. I think i'm seeing the difference between that & Fi; something to do with Fi not being so social? Going back to those function descriptions of Cryptonia's yes i can see how i'm more Ne than Ni. Although like theHmmmm with the Ni, i have doubts about the strength of my Ne. I have visited the Forum of the INTJ from time to time but i will have to go back & see how their Ni works.

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

I think it's generally agreed that everyone uses all of the functions some of the time.

 

[TheHmmmm]

ahh, thanks TheHmmmm.

Most of the INTJ-additions to the Ni description were from one guy, sadly, and he was way brighter than your average INTJ. Much of the input on it was from the INFJs though. I'll try to rethink it, if it makes you uncomfortable.... but honestly, I wrote it a long time ago, and my motivation has passed, so I don't think it's likely to change.

I wasn't expecting it or anything. I dunno, maybe I'm an exception, but the description makes Ni (which is our dominant trait) sound almost...poetic? And I think we're anything but that. Maybe it just bothers me that I don't seem to fit the same mold you describe. Just as I and my INTJ friend procrastinate, it seems there are either misconceptions or that I'm accumulating a lot of minute differences between myself and the type, although it's the best-fitting mold by far. Just wanna make sure that those traits are not quite set in stone.

If you do ever decide to re-do it, perhaps try to get descriptions from INTJ's and INFJ's to weed out the F/T-type influences in our descriptions. Find the common ground in the
characterizations.

For hopefully my final edit, I would tell you (inaworldofherown) to look for any signs of Fe in yourself. Even though it's only an inferior function in INTP's, it's quite a bit more noticeable than in their INTJ cousins. I would also look at how you arrive at conclusions. How long are you willing to ponder a question before coming to a conclusion? I find that I tend to immediately grab a conclusion and wait for someone else to fault it whereas it seems INTP's prefer to argue it themselves and see which pans out to be more viable. These are the nuances that I've noticed between the two types.

 

[jhbowden]

inaworldofherown, you're an INTP. One, look how sloppy your posts are written. Secondly, look how indecisive you are, and how comfortable you are with uncertainty!

An xNTJ would make a decision, pick something, and roll with it. INTP for the win!
​

 

[inaworldofherown]

inaworldofherown, you're an INTP. One, look how sloppy your posts are written. Secondly, look how indecisive you are, and how comfortable you are with uncertainty!​

An xNTJ would make a decision, pick something, and roll with it. INTP for the win!​

My posts are sloppy? Im not indecisive. At least i dont think i am. Sometimes i am. Yes if i start getting certain about something it's not long before i start thinking "well am i right to be certain about this thing cos just being certain about something doesnt necessarily mean im right about it". So that's what happens when i get Moments of Certainty that im INTP.

 

[fullerene]

Im not indecisive. At least i dont think i am. Sometimes i am.

lol!

 

[KazeCraven]

INTJ - primarily convergent thinking (There's the pattern!), more prone to arbitrary decision-making

INTP - primarily divergent thinking (Ooo, so many patterns!), more prone to excessive analysis

INTJs tend to be more opinionated, though they are often no more certain about things than the INTP. As far as I understand it, the INTJ will make a decision and come back to it only (typically speaking) once new information comes in that conflicts with the original decision.

 

[Aiss]

^ That's a rather broad generalization. Varieties within groups tend to be greater than those between groups (when we consider the average). This may be a flaw in MBTI - for example, when I read about P/J dichotomy, I find I don't fit into the system at all. Ps supposedly have "ordered minds" *shudders*.

 

[Jesin]

Ps supposedly have "ordered minds" *shudders*.

What? That's ridiculous. Where'd you hear that?

 

[KazeCraven]

^ That's a rather broad generalization. Varieties within groups tend to be greater than those between groups (when we consider the average). This may be a flaw in MBTI - for example, when I read about P/J dichotomy, I find I don't fit into the system at all. Ps supposedly have "ordered minds" *shudders*.

Which part are you referring to? When I say "primarily" that doesn't mean always. Edit: Everyone has preferences but sometimes our less preferred functions are more appropriate and therefore might be used depending on the person's flexibility (and other factors I assume). But otherwise, INTPs will prefer, by definition, Ti-Ne, which is divergent thinking.

I tried to make it clear this is a generalization. Did I fail, or are you assuming I'm not aware of what you said?

Anyway, I agree with Jesin. Whoever said Ps have "ordered minds" is either crazy or is talking about something that's going over my head. INTJs are the ones who tend to "know what they know." This doesn't mean that ALL INTJs are like this (as Aiss points out, quite rightly).

 

[Anthile]

Ps can't have ordered minds? Why not?

 

[KazeCraven]

I would say that Ps don't tend to have ordered minds. All of them have either Ne or Se, both of which are rather open-ended functions. That's not to say they can't order their mind, it's just (I would imagine) not the natural way they're (read: we're) wired.

 

[transformers]

you sound just like an intj friend of mine, it's uncanny.

 

[KazeCraven]

I could just be an INTJ who hasn't gotten his goals and schedules straight.

 

[Antagonist]

I was unsure of my own type aswell. I didn't know if I was extraverted or introverted, I also had problems deciding if I was judging or percieving.

The solution was to find a longer test. It turned out that I was VERY introverted and that I have a slight preference for Judging. It depends on what test I take if I type as INTP or INTJ. After reading the descriptions more thouroughly I decided that I am an INTJ. The description just fits me better than INTP does, even if alot of what is said in both descriptions fits with my image of myself.

What tied it up for me in the end was when I realized that I'm most of all a planner, I make plans and I stick with them until something more effective turns up, at wich point I start formulating a new plan.

Based on what the others said I can only agree that you come across as more of a perciever than a judger.