I'm an INTP girl, and what a relief it was to find you guys! I thought I was alone

[Adymus]

Female INTPs are rare - experience tells me this is probably right but are there some statistics on this?

Re: INTPs developing EN - do the INTPs care to develop this thought further?

To be honest, I am beginning to doubt that Female INTPs are as rare as we all think they are, maybe split by about 60/40 in favor or men?

Also, I think you mean developing Ne, and that all depends on where you want to go with that discussion.


Laudagirl: There is a whole forum that you can be enjoying right now, you don't have to confine yourself to this thread.

 

[Architectonic]

It's actually that INTPs in general aren't as rare. The females might be 0.5% of the population, but the males are significantly higher than that.

But it could be worse - instead of those INTPs, we could have INTJs instead!

 

[Adymus]

It's actually that INTPs in general aren't as rare. The females might be 0.5% of the population, but the males are significantly higher than that.

There is really no reliable evidence at all that suggests the population of male INTPs is "significantly" higher than the population of female INTPs.

This has officially become the "Talk about whatever the fuck you want thread."

 

[y4r5xeym5]

This has officially become the "Talk about whatever the fuck you want thread."

Proposition: Dinosaurs should be given voter's rights in the United States government. They have been discriminated against for countless eons and deserve their place in our world.

Discuss.

 

[BigApplePi]

Proposition: Dinosaurs should be given voter's rights in the United States government. They have been discriminated against for countless eons and deserve their place in our world.

Discuss.

I don't agree. They had their chance to form their own gov't last time they had their chance. Today their minority is so low it's close to zero. Other minorities such as blond pianists with differentiated eyes are greater in number and therefore have greater rights.

Counterarguments?

 

[EditorOne]

"An blonde INTP girl comes along and all of you piss your pants."

Not really. It was an indulgence in the silliness of the moment.

Glad to have her on board, though.

 

[y4r5xeym5]

I don't agree. They had their chance to form their own gov't last time they had their chance. Today their minority is so low it's close to zero. Other minorities such as blond pianists with differentiated eyes are greater in number and therefore have greater rights.

Counterarguments?

It's people like you who kill my dreams of a stegosaurus president wearing a monocle.

Although as a member of the majority of the population and thus having the most rights, I say that blond pianists with differentiated eyes have no rights, thus giving dinosaurs greater rights. Even if they are dead.

 

[LaudaGirl]

I don't agree. They had their chance to form their own gov't last time they had their chance. Today their minority is so low it's close to zero. Other minorities such as blond pianists with differentiated eyes are greater in number and therefore have greater rights.

Counterarguments?

I must agree with your side of the argument, the dinosaurs totally had their chance and see what happened? Seeee? You know, I used to be ashamed of being a blonde because of the way I was perceived by others. One one hand, having people think you're an idiot can give you an advantage and a certain element of surprise but on the other hand I like to be taken seriously. Anyways, exactly how rare are INTP girls, especially on this forum? I've seen a few other girls but not many. So far it looks like a 75/25 ratio.

I kind of feel like being an INTP girl can set a girl back a great deal as compared to other personality types. Who wants deal with a chick who doesn't express or acknowledge other people's feelings? So I feel, in light of my disadvantage, that I should have GREATER rights... or at least some sliding scale of tolerance.

 

[BigApplePi]

It's people like you who kill my dreams of a stegosaurus president wearing a monocle.

It's a clear choice of being a wet blanket versus being a killjoy.

Although as a member of the majority of the population and thus having the most rights, I say that blond pianists with differentiated eyes have no rights, thus giving dinosaurs greater rights. Even if they are dead.

May I suggest forming a caucus and we'll put this to a vote or will you be requiring further discussion?

 

[BigApplePi]

You know, I used to be ashamed of being a blonde because of the way I was perceived by others. One one hand, having people think you're an idiot can give you an advantage and a certain element of surprise but on the other hand I like to be taken seriously.
I'm sure that depends on who the company is. Idiots can't see through your facade but those who are interested will take note and catch on. In a new social environment I absolutely hate to take initiative. That is because I want to get a feel for what is going on first. Others take the lead. If something is of interest, I'll comment. But that would occur only if others are receptive. Rebuffs occur by those who are more interested in their own thing.

Anyways, exactly how rare are INTP girls, especially on this forum? I've seen a few other girls but not many. So far it looks like a 75/25 ratio.
This thread is not representative of the female persona on this forum as you have put yourself out front here, IMHO.

I kind of feel like being an INTP girl can set a girl back a great deal as compared to other personality types. Who wants deal with a chick who doesn't express or acknowledge other people's feelings?
I've forgotten what you've said on this topic. You have feelings for others, just unspoken? It's a matter of developing Fe. See Adymus for what that is.

So I feel, in light of my disadvantage, that I should have GREATER rights... or at least some sliding scale of tolerance. Nope. Won't work, IMO.

I don't know the answer to that? 75/25? It may be higher than that because males are more assertive even if INTP. (You haven't met lyra yet who posts on this forum but is NOT an INTP.

 

[y4r5xeym5]

Fine, I believe you have made your point.

*mumbles* It's because I'm not blond and I don't have bewbz.

 

[LaudaGirl]

Your quote tags...they burn.

So you haven't any dedication, but you've managed to achieve good enough quality for large audiences? Madam, I fear I must charge you with INTJness. Your Pness has hardened and dropped off.


I agree, it's intensely private. I would describe my approach to it as similar to Chopin's (death if you come too close). Actually, a lot of the time I like to ruin emotionally powerful pieces by syncopating the different lines and alternating entirely inappropriate speed and dynamics. This is often the only way I dare to approach them, for fear of being overwhelmed. [Relevant: Today, someone told me they love and adore me, and I had to run off and hide after that. Subsequently, I refused to speak to them without a pillow in between us. I managed not to impale them on the bedpost only by loudly imagining the Rach 2 2nd movement theme as techno.] [That last bit isn't, strictly speaking, true. I managed to get most of the blood off but it still looks a little suspicious.]

I agree as well about it being necessary to have confidence in your ability, especially your technical ability (so often overlooked even though it's essentially the vessel for musicality). I don't think that's my problem - as demonstrated above I have issues with intense emotions - but it would definitely ease things.



No wrong ideas, friend! I almost had to consider being disgusted by the Cannon on D comment though. I feel I must refute your charge of INTJness, however. My ex-boyfriend of 7 years was well as a good friend of my mine are both INTJs and I must insist that I don't fit that particular style of freak. My dedication to the piano has a great deal to do with conditioning - i.e. being pushed by my parents and my teacher to practice every single day for years, forced recitals and such. I too find long periods of practing to be suffocating. Hence, my day job and general disregard for going all the way professionally. If left to my own devices I'm a terrible procrastinator. Oh and by large crowd I mean less than 700 people. I haven't played for any crowd really for some years now.

In the interest of not boring other people on this thread here is a VERY brief list of top favorite compositions in the classical arena. I also have a deep love for American primative, early folk, and old timey music (ie Gillian Welch, Townes Van Zandt, Old Crow Medicine Show).


Liszt:
La Camapanella
Totentanz (Valentina Lisista on You Tube has a great video)
Grand Galop Chromatique

Chopin:
Etude Op 25 No 11 (Winter Wind)
Etude Op 25 No 12 (the Ocean Etude)
Plus the Etudes ones you listed up above.
Fantasie Impromptu - the rare version that Chopin originally wrote. The Impromptu that currently in circulation was actually reworked by a friend of his after his death but there are a few precious recordings of the original.
Raindrop Prelude

Brahms:
His Hungarian Folk Dances - especially no. 5

Rachmaninov
Prelude in C sharp Minor
Prelude in G sharp Minor
9 Etudes-tableaux Op 33 No 5 and 9, Op 39 No 6
Piano Sonata No 1

Ravel
Gaspard de la Nuit Ondine

Tchaikovsky
Pas de Deux from the Nutcracker - piano solo

 

[Lithorn]

I prefer brunettes, thank you very much

@cheese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
I can never look at that song the same way anymore

As a cellist, I wholeheartedly agree. That piece needs to die a slow, horrible death
Hmm...I wonder how I should go about killing it...I know! Infect it with cholera!

Also, welcome LaudaGirl! Nice to meet a fellow INTP girl, rare and elusive creatures that we apparently are. *Darts off into the underbrush and disappears*

 

[ashitaria]

I don't understand, why do people think that blondes are dumb?

If anything, they make the best actresses, the best manipulators, the best gossipers, and overall, very cunning social butterflies. Their facade of stupidity is simply another layer of their ability to manipulate, though no offense made to LaudaGirl.

Of course, I could be the only one noticing their facades and manipulation in school, since I've done my fair share of manipulation and facades myself, but I usually stay away from them, because manipulation and facades does nothing but make you popular, which I don't see the point of. It's tiring to do anyway.

Of course, not all blondes manipulate people, and some of them are nice, but it's hard to find someone blonde, nice, and open-minded.

 

[Alice?]

I don't understand, why do people think that blondes are dumb?

If anything, they make the best actresses, the best manipulators, the best gossipers, and overall, very cunning social butterflies. Their facade of stupidity is simply another layer of their ability to manipulate, though no offense made to LaudaGirl.

Of course, I could be the only one noticing their facades and manipulation in school, since I've done my fair share of manipulation and facades myself, but I usually stay away from them, because manipulation and facades does nothing but make you popular, which I don't see the point of. It's tiring to do anyway.

Of course, not all blondes manipulate people, and some of them are nice, but it's hard to find someone blonde, nice, and open-minded.

Haha! I'm blonde by genetics (dyed it dark brown out of curiousity and ended up liking it so I'm keeping it this way, though) and I have no idea why people think that hair color plays a major role in determining personality characteristics. Blondes generally are no better at manipulating others than are people with other hair colors, but maybe you notice the blondes doing it more because you have that preconception.

On second thought, though, it may be a form of roleplaying- acting out a role that has become scoially acceptable for blondes. The general population assumes that blondes are shallow/manipulative/etc, so the blondes must try to fit this stereotype at least a bit in order to fit into their preconceived place in society. Of course this wouldn't apply to blonde, but it's just an idea.

 

[EditorOne]

"My dedication to the piano has a great deal to do with conditioning"

Possibly once has moved beyond mastery to whatever the next level is, the activity becomes soothing, something one does simply for enjoyment. At that point the audience is truly irrelevant, right?

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I don't understand, why do people think that blondes are dumb?

If anything, they make the best actresses, the best manipulators, the best gossipers, and overall, very cunning social butterflies. Their facade of stupidity is simply another layer of their ability to manipulate, though no offense made to LaudaGirl.

Of course, I could be the only one noticing their facades and manipulation in school, since I've done my fair share of manipulation and facades myself, but I usually stay away from them, because manipulation and facades does nothing but make you popular, which I don't see the point of. It's tiring to do anyway.

Of course, not all blondes manipulate people, and some of them are nice, but it's hard to find someone blonde, nice, and open-minded.

Ashiataria, you've qualified a few of your statements, but the majority of what you've said is blatant stereotype. Do you also believe that brunettes are clever, and red heads are aggressive? Hair color is simply a tired Hollywood trope, with little to no basis in reality. I could believe a racial or cultural correlation existed in your area, but not with hair color.


Also the facade of stupidity is widely practiced among females (about 70% in my experience). It's often done in relationships and the pursuit thereof, whereas the female hides her intellect in order to avoid making her target feel threatened and to artificially inflate his ego. It's a classic pseudo submissive gesture. The male feels dominant and secure, while female is glad to let him think so for the sake of the relationship; even if it costs a bit of pride. (This is also one of the reasons why INTP/J females seem so intimidating. They place a lot of personal value in intelligence, so purposefully acting stupid seems ludicrous.)

This can even be done in a physical sense, albeit a bit rarely. For example I had a friend who was an incredibly skilled martial artist and she was probably the strongest person I've ever met. Of course she encouraged her boyfriend, who didn't have any training and little musculature, to think he was far stronger than her.

People also tend to feel threatened when faced with someone of superior ability, and this is especially true with intellect. It causes a lot of hostility, which is why many people, males and females, purposely encourage others to underestimate them if the think it will lead to a desired consequence. (ie sucking up to a boss to get a promotion, to avoid being beaten up, or for a date) It's definitively not specific to a hair color.

 

[Lithorn]

^Yeah!
And what about us dirty-blondes? Are we just a little slow? Not quite a dumb blonde, but getting there?
Lol. I think you took the whole thing a bit too seriously, Nyx

 

[Deleted member 1424]

And what about us dirty-blondes? Are we just a little slow? Not quite a dumb blonde, but getting there?

and what of strawberry blondes hmmm?

Lol. I think you took the whole thing a bit too seriously, Nyx

Well only since he seemed to take himself seriously.

 

[EditorOne]

On the other hand, my wife, a stunning brunette for 50 years, finally got tired of grey roots and converted herself into a stunning sort-of blonde, requiring less frequent attention. She said she detected an immediate difference in how people responded to her, especially men, in that they more easily approached her and apparently considered her more approachable. Not as in "hit on," just "strike up a conversation with." So some kind of stereotype is in play. While one may deplore it or not, Nyx, I think recognizing that at some level it is actually out there functioning is a valid thing to do.

Also, I may be lost in the backward referencings, but I believe Ash is not a guy.

 

[ashitaria]

Ashiataria, you've qualified a few of your statements, but the majority of what you've said is blatant stereotype. Do you also believe that brunettes are clever, and red heads are aggressive? Hair color is simply a tired Hollywood trope, with little to no basis in reality. I could believe a racial or cultural correlation existed in your area, but not with hair color.


Also the facade of stupidity is widely practiced among females (about 70% in my experience). It's often done in relationships and the pursuit thereof, whereas the female hides her intellect in order to avoid making her target feel threatened and to artificially inflate his ego. It's a classic pseudo submissive gesture. The male feels dominant and secure, while female is glad to let him think so for the sake of the relationship; even if it costs a bit of pride. (This is also one of the reasons why INTP/J females seem so intimidating. They place a lot of personal value in intelligence, so purposefully acting stupid seems ludicrous.)

This can even be done in a physical sense, albeit a bit rarely. For example I had a friend who was an incredibly skilled martial artist and she was probably the strongest person I've ever met. Of course she encouraged her boyfriend, who didn't have any training and little musculature, to think he was far stronger than her.

People also tend to feel threatened when faced with someone of superior ability, and this is especially true with intellect. It causes a lot of hostility, which is why many people, males and females, purposely encourage others to underestimate them if the think it will lead to a desired consequence. (ie sucking up to a boss to get a promotion, to avoid being beaten up, or for a date) It's definitively not specific to a hair color.

Eh? No offense meant of course.

But I seem to notice that there are more blondes at my school that manipulate more than others. It's not a preconception, since I have noticed many others manipulating, but I see that blondes are more typically likely to manipulate.

It could because of stereotyping, they are simply living up to stereotypes (though I doubt that blondes being manipulative are stereotypes) or it could be because there are very few blondes at my school and that those blondes hang out together and thus have the same minds (just stating a possibility) but at my school, the blondes are definitely the most manipulative type.

I also agree with you Nyx, that nothing is specific to a specific hair color, race, gender, but you have observed that women are the ones that make facades of stupidity (isn't that by itself a stereotype?) and that men tend to inflate their egos (which isn't by itself similar to the possibility of blondes being manipulative?).

Race also does determine some things. According the statistics about loan-sharks in the suburbs, the police all agree that the Columbians are the most violent, the puerto-ricos the second, and the mexicans and blacks the least violent race (quoted from Only Cops Know). Asians have a higher IQ average than Whites (don't know what the hell IQ does anyway) and Blacks have a lower IQ score than average.

You then see that race, gender, and physical qualities do have some affect on our personalities.

With hair-color, that I'm not so sure. But all I have said was: at my school, blondes are one of the most manipulative type. I'm not creating a new stereotype, I'm not stating it as a fact, I'm simply pointing out a supposed pattern.

Of course, you blondes are out there to correct me. I would love to be corrected.

 

[ashitaria]

Haha! I'm blonde by genetics (dyed it dark brown out of curiousity and ended up liking it so I'm keeping it this way, though) and I have no idea why people think that hair color plays a major role in determining personality characteristics. Blondes generally are no better at manipulating others than are people with other hair colors, but maybe you notice the blondes doing it more because you have that preconception.

On second thought, though, it may be a form of roleplaying- acting out a role that has become scoially acceptable for blondes. The general population assumes that blondes are shallow/manipulative/etc, so the blondes must try to fit this stereotype at least a bit in order to fit into their preconceived place in society. Of course this wouldn't apply to blonde, but it's just an idea.

No offense meant to you either

You're cool. If I were to classify you, I would definitely classify you as a cool, intelligent, open-minded, blonde. XD

You are better than 99.99999% of blondes...

Just kidding. XD

I have thought about stereotyping...
in fact, I'm going to research about it right now.

 

[cheese]

For some reason, ashitaria reminds me of Venture. A polite, toned-down but nonethless Venture-ish Venture.

 

[ashitaria]

For some reason, ashitaria reminds me of Venture. A polite, toned-down but nonethless Venture-ish Venture.

Whose Venture?

 

[ashitaria]

Also, I may be lost in the backward referencings, but I believe Ash is not a guy.

What the fuck?

I am a guy. In what way did you think I wasn't a guy?

EDIT: Came back from reading Venture's posts. I think I rather like him. He's funny.

 

[Alice?]

No offense meant to you either

You're cool. If I were to classify you, I would definitely classify you as a cool, intelligent, open-minded, blonde. XD

You are better than 99.99999% of blondes...

Just kidding. XD

I have thought about stereotyping...
in fact, I'm going to research about it right now.

Oh, none taken at all. And that's past blonde, to you!
I took a social psych class back in high school a couple years ago and we covered stereotyping and people feeling pressured to live up to these sterotypes, and your comments jogged my memory a bit. Just thought it might be interesting to tie it into the conversation.

 

[Hawkeye]

For some reason, ashitaria reminds me of Venture. A polite, toned-down but nonethless Venture-ish Venture.

That's odd how you mention his name almost exactly around the time he begins speaking to me again after half a year.




A classic expression of Venturism:

HHHHAHAAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAAAHAHHAAAAA

 

[ashitaria]

That's odd how you mention his name almost exactly around the time he begins speaking to me again after half a year.




A classic expression of Venturism:

XD.

I read Venture's thread and I have to say he made me laugh at least five times, especially at the pictures of Melkor and Fukyo, for some strange reason. He seems to be the only person I heard of who can make fun of people and still get away with it. I hate him, but I love him at the same time.

Again, no offense meant.

 

[y4r5xeym5]

and what of strawberry blondes hmmm?

I believe the terms are "deliciously adorable" and "Hawt."

 

[ashitaria]

EDIT: Actually, his insults towards Cegorach was the bit which I laughed at the loudest. He's incredibly funny, but extremely mean at the same time. Sigh....

He did deserve that ban though.

 

[Hawkeye]

EDIT: Actually, his insults towards Cegorach was the bit which I laughed at the loudest. He's incredibly funny, but extremely mean at the same time. Sigh....

He did deserve that ban though.

Haha.

He always amused me especially when he effortlessly wound people up on IRC.

He was a borderline supertroll. He was difficult to annoy. I managed it but to the point where he banished me from his life. ^^

I have secretly missed him.

 

[ashitaria]

I have secretly missed him.

Shh...
he might read that you know?

 

[Hawkeye]

Shh...
he might read that you know?

MVV <--- this is Venture.

 

[ashitaria]

MVV <--- this is Venture.

LOL. I learn something new everyday XD

 

[Fukyo]

Yes, our youthful Venty was quite a MS Paint 4chantroll artist...

Spoiler

Too bad he never took up Photoshop...Ah, wasted talent. *sheds a tear*

 

[ashitaria]

Yes, our youthful Venty was quite a MS Paint 4chantroll artist...

Spoiler

Too bad he never took up Photoshop...Ah, wasted talent. *sheds a tear*

LOL. He just made me laugh again. I love him already.

 

[cheese]

Venture! My love! My hope! My life!

 

[Deleted member 1424]

On the other hand, my wife, a stunning brunette for 50 years, finally got tired of grey roots and converted herself into a stunning sort-of blonde, requiring less frequent attention. She said she detected an immediate difference in how people responded to her, especially men, in that they more easily approached her and apparently considered her more approachable. Not as in "hit on," just "strike up a conversation with." So some kind of stereotype is in play. While one may deplore it or not, Nyx, I think recognizing that at some level it is actually out there functioning is a valid thing to do.

Well I've been all three, and hardly noticed a difference between them.

Did they think she was less intelligent Editor? It sounds like she improved her looks, and that always tends to net more attention from men, even if platonic. If she had dyed her hair a dark rich brown, or a striking red she would have noticed the same things.

But I seem to notice that there are more blondes at my school that manipulate more than others. It's not a preconception, since I have noticed many others manipulating, but I see that blondes are more typically likely to manipulate.

So were these natural blondes or fake blondes? This is important since, it's possibly that certain personalities would gravitate towards this particular color for the perceived attributes of the stereotype. So instead of blondes are manipulative, it would be manipulative girls want to be blonde.

I also agree with you Nyx, that nothing is specific to a specific hair color, race, gender, but you have observed that women are the ones that make facades of stupidity (isn't that by itself a stereotype?) and that men tend to inflate their egos (which isn't by itself similar to the possibility of blondes being manipulative?).

There is also a biological aspect, since males generally have more testosterone and most desire to appear masculine. The behavior I outlined plays into that. I never said anything along the lines that women pretend to be stupid though, some do and so do some men. I observe a lot of it, but I don't expect it of women. If anything it's more of a common tactic than stereotype.

The only reason I brought it up, was that you made the assertion that blondes often pretend to be stupid, I was only correcting and saying it was present in all hair colors and that it is a common manipulative behavior.

With hair-color, that I'm not so sure. But all I have said was: at my school, blondes are one of the most manipulative type. I'm not creating a new stereotype, I'm not stating it as a fact, I'm simply pointing out a supposed pattern.

Of course, you blondes are out there to correct me. I would love to be corrected.

Everyone is manipulative to a degree, how are blondes more so and why? Why are red heads and brunettes less manipulative? Is it only at your school? Does it make a difference if hair color is natural or artificial? Does this change with the demographics of an area? What about all the other colors? Are you implying their's some gene that will make women both manipulative and blonde? Do the same hair color rules apply to men.

Saying 'blondes are more or less manipulative in one specific place' doesn't mean anything. Ashitaria, you're just making subjective assertions that cannot be tested, it's essentially an excuse for you to be prejudiced, albeit in a small way. Plus you're applying these standards to random non-related women, implying that they need to somehow prove to you that they're not manipulative like all the other blondes you've met. Why should they need to go through the effort of proving you wrong?
(hint: They're far more likely just to think you an asshole and ignore you, under which circumstances you might postulate that all blondes are cold bitches.)

I'm not saying hair color doesn't have an effect, but it's an intermittent and unpredictable effect. It's not something you can judge people upon.

[I'm not nearly as riled as I sound, and I know you meant no harm. I'm not taking it that seriously, although a blanket statement like that on race, gender, orientation, etc and you'd make yourself a lot of enemies. ]

 

[Kuu]

Hi, new person. I come too late to this thread....

Also the facade of stupidity is widely practiced among females (about 70% in my experience). It's often done in relationships and the pursuit thereof, whereas the female hides her intellect in order to avoid making her target feel threatened and to artificially inflate his ego. It's a classic pseudo submissive gesture. The male feels dominant and secure, while female is glad to let him think so for the sake of the relationship; even if it costs a bit of pride.

I've never understood this completely. It seems so terribly condescending and manipulative. Do they want a relationship or a toy? How do they expect to have real relationships if they're built upon nothing but petty power games and faked personas? How are they supposed to even enjoy it if they have to build this whole act? Unless their goal is to just to play men for their own sick amusement, I don't see that as intelligent behavior at all.

And why would intelligent women pretend to be stupid in an attempt to get men? Wouldn't that just perpetuate the stupid-woman stereotype and land them men that need dominance and inflated egos and treat them like the stupid women they pretend to be? I think it's retarded...

Grr, just thinking about the kind of women that say 'I let him think ____' pisses me off. *Kuu storms back into the volcano lair to continue plotting the destruction of mankind*

Race also does determine some things. According the statistics about loan-sharks in the suburbs, the police all agree that the Columbians are the most violent, the puerto-ricos the second, and the mexicans and blacks the least violent race (quoted from Only Cops Know). Asians have a higher IQ average than Whites (don't know what the hell IQ does anyway) and Blacks have a lower IQ score than average.

Man, how did you get away with this BS without anyone calling you on it? First of all, "columbians", "puerto-ricos" and mexicans aren't races. Second, education and socioeconomic status have much more to do with perceived violence and intelligence than 'race'. Third, most people nowadays have an extremely mixed genetic background, and the way 'race' is measured is sketchy at best anyway. Fourth, since when is the police a reliable source of information?

 

[~~~]

Ok questions just keep popping up in my head for the new INTP.

After you first heard that you were an INTP did you try to prove or disprove the theory behind it? In what ways did you find the theory flawed? How long was the time between when you first heard about MBTI and when you came to largely accept it (preferably in age terms)? What was your thought process in coming to accept MBTI?

Have you ever tried to conceal the fact that you are an INTP from anyone who knew you were an INTP? Why? Fear? Did you overcome this issue in the particular instances? What was the thought process in overcoming these issues?

How long did you have to practice piano for when you were a child? When you practiced as a child were you diligent or if not how would you describe your practice? How did your parents get you to practice (e.g. incentives or discipline)?

Do you think a lot of concert pianists are fairly mechanistic in how they play the pieces you mentioned above? Do you play these pieces in such a fashion? If not how would you describe the way you interpret/play these pieces? To what extent are you interested in composing your own works as opposed to playing the works of others?

Also, you suggested a male/female ratio of 75:25 for INTPs - what about the number of professors with beards as a proxy? This would suggest a more distorted picture wouldn't it? Also, you mentioned something about female INTP appeal - wouldn't INTP genetic material have significant survival advantages amongst homo intellectus? (Still interested in INTP thoughts on INTPs developing Ne or whatever.)

 

[Architectonic]

Who gives a shit if she's blonde. I'm more interested in this whole two coloured eye thing.

Heterochromia is caused by a variety of interesting diseases.

 

[LaudaGirl]

Nyx, you should be a lawyer. Just from your arguments about blondes, I can tell you'd be good at it.

I can't believe it, I posted this thread on Thursday night thinking that I'd only get maybe 2 or 3 people to respond and so far there have been 3 debates, I've been praised and criticized for my hair color, and got to talk about music. FANTASTIC. I am so going to be posting new threads in the future. I've got hundreds of thought provoking ideas I want to bounce off other like minded people.

 

[Lithorn]

@ LaudaGirl
Just make sure there isn't already a thread about it or Anthile will snap off your typing fingers...as if you had other non-typing fingers

 

[Alice?]

Who gives a shit if she's blonde. I'm more interested in this whole two coloured eye thing.

Heterochromia is caused by a variety of interesting diseases.

It can also be genetic.

 

[BigApplePi]

@ LaudaGirl
Just make sure there isn't already a thread about it or Anthile will snap off your typing fingers...as if you had other non-typing fingers

By the time that occurs, all your other fingers will have been subsumed by your typing fingers.

 

[LaudaGirl]

Who gives a shit if she's blonde. I'm more interested in this whole two coloured eye thing.

Heterochromia is caused by a variety of interesting diseases.

My eyes aren't the product of any genetic or disease related issue. Unfortunately, its a tragic tale. When I was a very small girl I had a horrible accident and fell face first onto a broken drinking glass. The pastic surgeon was able repair my face (no scars show today) but unfortunately the lens (sorry, I said iris earlier) in my right eye had to be removed causing my eyes to be 2 different colors. Its sounds gross but its soooo cool to look at. Hence, the David Bowie look I'm sporting. If I'm wearing makeup or you're not standing close its hard to notice. On the bright side of it, when I need to give someont the stink eye, I've got that little extra umph.

 

[Alice?]

My eyes aren't the product of any genetic or disease related issue. Unfortunately, its a tragic tale. When I was a very small girl I had a horrible accident and fell face first onto a broken drinking glass. The pastic surgeon was able repair my face (no scars show today) but unfortunately the iris in my right eye had to be removed causing my eyes to be 2 different colors. Its sounds gross but its soooo cool to look at. Hence, the David Bowie look I'm sporting. If I'm wearing makeup or you're not standing close its hard to notice. On the bright side of it, when I need to give someont the stink eye, I've got that little extra umph.

Wooaah, how do you remove an iris without damaging the rest of the eye? That's awesome!

 

[LaudaGirl]

Ok questions just keep popping up in my head for the new INTP.

After you first heard that you were an INTP did you try to prove or disprove the theory behind it? In what ways did you find the theory flawed? How long was the time between when you first heard about MBTI and when you came to largely accept it (preferably in age terms)? What was your thought process in coming to accept MBTI?

Have you ever tried to conceal the fact that you are an INTP from anyone who knew you were an INTP? Why? Fear? Did you overcome this issue in the particular instances? What was the thought process in overcoming these issues?

How long did you have to practice piano for when you were a child? When you practiced as a child were you diligent or if not how would you describe your practice? How did your parents get you to practice (e.g. incentives or discipline)?

Do you think a lot of concert pianists are fairly mechanistic in how they play the pieces you mentioned above? Do you play these pieces in such a fashion? If not how would you describe the way you interpret/play these pieces? To what extent are you interested in composing your own works as opposed to playing the works of others?

Also, you suggested a male/female ratio of 75:25 for INTPs - what about the number of professors with beards as a proxy? This would suggest a more distorted picture wouldn't it? Also, you mentioned something about female INTP appeal - wouldn't INTP genetic material have significant survival advantages amongst homo intellectus? (Still interested in INTP thoughts on INTPs developing Ne or whatever.)

1. After you first heard that you were an INTP did you try to prove or disprove the theory behind it? I was tagged and released as an INTP in college. A professor in my Theory and Practice of Group Therapy class tested all of us. To be honest I came back to it a few months ago and actually read the whole thing when I was going through a horrible break up and needed to take my mind off of it and one thing led to another and here I am.

2. Have you ever tried to conceal the fact that you are an INTP from anyone who knew you were an INTP? - No one in my family or amongst my friend has the slightest idea was the MBTI is or what it means. When they need to know something they come ask me. I love the people in my life but they're not the brightest people in the world. I have had to go through the ringer questions of "Why are you so quiet" "Why don't you seem to care" "Why do you say mean things and laugh"

3. How long did you have to practice piano for when you were a child? When you practiced as a child were you diligent or if not how would you describe your practice? How did your parents get you to practice (e.g. incentives or discipline)? - I started at 11 but didn't get serious until I was 13 and I had my mom ride my ass everyday to practice cause I knew even then I wouldn't be able to stick to it. From there habit formed and with the skills I gain enthusiasm for the piano grew uncontrollably.

4. Do you think a lot of concert pianists are fairly mechanistic in how they play the pieces you mentioned above? Do you play these pieces in such a fashion? If not how would you describe the way you interpret/play these pieces? To what extent are you interested in composing your own works as opposed to playing the works of others? - In my experience, I've found that a great many pianists, especially on the higher end of spectrum, do have a tendency to play in a really mechanical fashion. Alot of musicians who get to top have been working at it, usually, since they were 3 or 4 years old and have had parents and teachers pressuring them to be perfect and play in a very rigid and set style so somewhere along the line you can lose your sense of expression in attempting to play a piece how you were forced to. I play the piano intuitively but always conscious of precission and with great respect to the piece I'm working on at the time.

 

[LaudaGirl]

Wooaah, how do you remove an iris without damaging the rest of the eye? That's awesome!

I don't know, doctor magic maybe?

Sorry, I meant to say lens earlier. I had too many things on my mind at one time. That happens alot.

 

[Cavallier]

Yup, this place is great. And now your are officially on the list of INTPs that I would have to hug.......

Irish! Don't do it!

I'm still young and virile

Even you Orecog? You Brutus! You Judas!

LaudaGirl. Any threads here that turn you on? Well ...

Ack! Avast ye nerdy pups!

*whispers agressively* Run lauda while you still can! I'll hold them off!

BACK FOUL CREATURES! I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

*mutters to self* Where the hell is Nyx when you need hir?

*hands her a cattle prod* In case you need to discourage your admirers.

Ah, my reinforcements. I looked for you with the dawn and was not dissapointed!

tend to smile a great deal whether I mean it or not.

Umm...Wow. Really? I smile like crazy right before I kick the crap out of people! Do we have similar battle tactics?

I'm only mean to people that deserve it... like whiners and bullies. I enjoy catching people trying to embarrass someone defenseless and knocking them down a peg or two. That tendency used to get me into a great deal of trouble.

Err. We are frighteningly similar you and I. ALL THE MORE REASON TO ALLOW FOR YOUR HASTY ESCAPE!

Oh shit! I dropped my Vorple sword! LOR!!!! I NEED YOU!!!

Edit: Holy Carp! I hadn't realized there were two pages of replies. Damn, there are never TWO pages of replies.

Well. Come. Little Lauda.