I'm an ENTP

[onesteptwostep]

Around half my friends are dragons.

Yeah I'll give you that it can cluster people of like minds together, but honestly, there are many tools that could do a similar job. Grouping people by occupation for instance. Grouping people by disabilities. Grouping by IQ. Grouping by political affiliation. Grouping by age. Grouping by level of education. Grouping by interests.

And all these things can be used in conjunction for greater predictive power. What's the chance that two people who work in gaming stores who share interests, political affiliations, IQ range, and experience social anxiety are unalike?

Agreed.

The advantages MBTI has over astrology are negligible given that equal or greater grouping could be done with less ambiguous measures.

Haha, negligible? Sure I guess you could say that, but it hell is a more rational than what astrology is.

 

[Hadoblado]

Rational? Well that depends on the person in question.

A whole bunch of people embrace MBTI without relying on any reasoning beyond that which is used to embrace astrology.

There are people here who I think are rational who also believe in MBTI. And I think that from their experience it's a rational or semi-rational belief. But I've also met people IRL who are quite rational, who have been infected with astrology. It makes me shit my pants every time they start talking about it because it's like it comes out of nowhere, like they're not the same person in relation to this topic.

To me MBTI is more rational than astrology in that it actually points to stuff that goes on in your head rather than up in the stars. There are some studies out there that look favourably on MBTI. It's also rational to look to these as evidence. But the majority of followers do not do so from a rational place, even especially if they type themselves as rationals.

 

[Inquisitor]

I haven't seen anything from Tannhauser in this thread that I would consider 'throwing an insult'.

I'll leave you guys to it in your Astrology circle jerk club.

bullshit theories

it does feel good to wage wars against bullshit

The Jungian Inquisition has made it clear: if you are not a literalist, you're a heretic.

I guess you're an ENTP with a highly developed argument-from-authority function.

Boring pedantry. You can replace the title with "Why the super-rich get super-rich while most people are slaves". For people with a modicum of the ability of abstraction, it should not matter.

As it turns out, Inquisitor (professor and renowned researcher in neuroscience) has already established in another thread that

I think this has gone on long enough Hado. You're a terrible mod. On the INTJ forum this guy would've gotten an infraction a loooong time ago. A warning/limited privileges are in order. He makes valuable contributions sometimes it's true, but that's no excuse for how he writes. Everyone's pretty sick of this line of reasoning anyway. He adds nothing to the discussion on MBTI matters except enmity. He provides little to no evidence for his beliefs except to say that the "epistemological foundation" of MBTI is faulty. Well by that reasoning anytime a patient tells a doctor that they're in pain, the doctor should just not believe it b/c it can't be objectively verified. It's just silliness.

He fulfills what I see as a necessary function on this forum. He's critical and he encourages people to be critical. Even if people aren't buying his particular position, his content is of above average quality and it can help people come to their own conclusions. He's not a prolific poster, he's still less than 1k.

In the meantime, consider using the block function. You can still click to check any post of his you think might be interesting given context, it's not as harsh a measure as one might think. I've blocked loads of people, only to unblock them later because I kept reading their posts regardless XD

It's fine to be a contrarian that offers well-developed arguments and evidence whether from authority or scientific. It's quite another to be a naysayer. Come on, this is an MBTI-related forum. Do your job.

 

[The Gopher]

"I'm an ENTP."

I think you missed the whole rulebreaker/disregarding aspect. Preferring INTJ's style of modding is almost completely opposed to everything an ENTP would be.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Hey Hado's a fair mod, quit that, you.

There are people here who I think are rational who also believe in MBTI. And I think that from their experience it's a rational or semi-rational belief. But I've also met people IRL who are quite rational, who have been infected with astrology. It makes me shit my pants every time they start talking about it because it's like it comes out of nowhere, like they're not the same person in relation to this topic.

To me MBTI is more rational than astrology in that it actually points to stuff that goes on in your head rather than up in the stars. There are some studies out there that look favourably on MBTI. It's also rational to look to these as evidence. But the majority of followers do not do so from a rational place, even especially if they type themselves as rationals.

Well that seems more like a problem for those who "believe" in MBTI. MBTI is more akin to a theory rather than something that requires dogmatic belief like astrology.

 

[Hadoblado]

Are you actually insulted by any of that stuff inquis? It just seems like normal arguing posture-speak.

I could pull you or reckless or myself up on a similar tone.

I consider this:

You're a terrible mod

More insulting than anything he said. Because it's specifically targeted at undermining competence.

Equally:

Bullshit theories

while crude, it's addressing an argument, not an arguer

Astrology circle jerk club

Making a real claim that MBTI is about people collectively feeling good.

Waging war against bullshit

See: bullshit

The Jungian Inquisition has made it clear: if you are not a literalist, you're a heretic.

Again, making a claim about the argument: that it resembles fundamentalist reasoning

I guess you're an ENTP with a highly developed argument-from-authority function.

This seems on point. ENTP's aren't the sort to make arguments from authority. You are.

Boring pedantry. You can replace the title with "Why the super-rich get super-rich while most people are slaves". For people with a modicum of the ability of abstraction, it should not matter.

I actually do take issue with this. I think I said as much in the thread it's from. It's arrogant and that nasty sort of ad hom where you phrase it as a question. His title or OP (can't remember which) was misleading and he should not have reacted the way he did given how ambiguous his communication had been.

As it turns out, Inquisitor (professor and renowned researcher in neuroscience) has already established in another thread that

This is making the point that while you act like an authority, you do not actually have a higher level of authority. He's not taking you down past where you actually are, he's just dismissing the soft claim that you are above where you are that is implicit in the way you argue. You don't argue as if the ground is even, you argue as if people have to justify their existence to you.

I mean seriously, in the witch-hunt thread you called me a bitch directly. You weren't addressing the things I was saying or phrasing an argument flavorfully, you straight out called me a bitch. And now you're calling me a terrible mod. I'm not warning you, because I don't think it's worth a warning, and it would be ridiculous to go after Tann and leave you be. You're arguing for a double standard.

You are not in a position to push for an increase in mod strictness without getting burned yourself. I would wager you've pissed more people off than Tann.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I'm an ENTP.

I think you missed the whole rulebreaker/disregarding aspect. Preferring INTJ's style of modding is almost completely opposed to everything an ENTP would be.

Sorry Inq, Gopher has got you there.

 

[Urakro]

You're shortchanging the ability of personality typologies to achieve scientific respectability in the reliability and validity departments without the need for "neurological" data, and the MBTI has certainly done that.

Contrary to what you sometimes hear, and notwithstanding that there are important distinctions to be made between "hard sciences" and "soft sciences," the four MBTI dichotomies now have decades of data in support of their validity and reliability — and a combination of meta-review and large supplemental study in 2003 concluded that the MBTI was more or less "on a par" with the Big Five in terms of its psychometric respectability.

Anyone who's interested can read more about that — and about several other issues often raised by people claiming to "debunk" the MBTI — in my long Another MBTI "Debunking" post (at PerC).

Your last post describes the MBTI as "circular reasoning," but identical twins raised in separate households are substantially more likely to match on the the MBTI/Big Five dimensions than random pairs. It seems pretty clear at this point that those typological dimensions are tapping into clusters of personality characteristics that, to a substantial degree, are biologically hardwired.

I did get carried away with all the critical thinking stuff. After reading your response, I decided to expend some energy in digging up some information that would either have me swayed towards your argument that there is validity in typology, or at least understanding better what I'm getting into.

The latter being important, because I've learned I'm in some ways lacking education of the psychology academics. Even if my arguments were partly correct, it seems you've spent a bit more time and motivation with this than I have only relying on sporadic studies of philosophy.

I've landed on reading about the big 5, supposing that there'd be something about it that would make everything more validating. I've read your criticisms in the link you included. I'm also brushing up on anything relating to psychometrics. I've also seen a something of the twin study you mentioned.

At least, thus far, typology has moved back into the grey area in my opinion.

 

[OmoInisa]

Rational? Well that depends on the person in question.

A whole bunch of people embrace MBTI without relying on any reasoning beyond that which is used to embrace astrology.

There are people here who I think are rational who also believe in MBTI. And I think that from their experience it's a rational or semi-rational belief. But I've also met people IRL who are quite rational, who have been infected with astrology. It makes me shit my pants every time they start talking about it because it's like it comes out of nowhere, like they're not the same person in relation to this topic.

To me MBTI is more rational than astrology in that it actually points to stuff that goes on in your head rather than up in the stars. There are some studies out there that look favourably on MBTI. It's also rational to look to these as evidence. But the majority of followers do not do so from a rational place, even especially if they type themselves as rationals.

Hmm. The astrology question is I think a pretty good case study in examining the issue of validity/utility actually, and in more ways than one. You're correct in that one's position on astrology isn't necessarily predicted by 'Rational' identification. But the more meaningful question in any event is 'how' one might approach astrology given one's type, not 'if' one subscribes to it. I wonder whether you would agree with me that INTPs would generally approach it much differently from INTJs.

This may not at first glance seem useful or satisfactory, even if you were to accept it. But I think the difference in the 'how' then influences the dogmatism and inflexibility with which each type holds the belief. The INTP's subscription would tend to arise out of axioms, the INTJ's more from notions of a universal truth/wisdom not dependent on observation or agreement.

To bring the thread back towards its original topic, this deference to wise authority is of course shared by the INTJ's Pi-dom cousin, the difference being that she would tend to look to a more timeless authority while the ISTJ would likely look to a closer, clearer, more personified authority.
This marks them both clearly apart from Pe-doms.

 

[Tannhauser]

He adds nothing to the discussion on MBTI matters except enmity. He provides little to no evidence for his beliefs except to say that the "epistemological foundation" of MBTI is faulty. Well by that reasoning anytime a patient tells a doctor that they're in pain, the doctor should just not believe it b/c it can't be objectively verified. It's just silliness.

It's fine to be a contrarian that offers well-developed arguments and evidence whether from authority or scientific. It's quite another to be a naysayer. Come on, this is an MBTI-related forum. Do your job.

This is either pure trolling or just selective memory. To reiterate my stance once again, I am in general interested in discussing the epistemological grounds of a theory like MBTI, and I have never claimed that the MBTI-test itself is completely useless.

I think this post summarizes my stance pretty well:

You can daydream about the human psyche all you want. But when one is engaging in something like this:

Originally Posted by Inquisitor
If you are an INTP, it's unlikely you have what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur...sorry.

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=23125

... then one is coming up with pretty definite statements about the empirical world, using theory which is verifiable, as it were, only inside certain people's heads. If it is not dogmatism, at the very least it is extreme epistemological arrogance.

And to be clear, I have not tried to denounce MBTI as complete nonsense. I believe it has a certain utility -- a very useful categorization of our behaviours. Sometimes one can identify with some of its descriptions, other times the descriptions are wrong, or at least imprecise and vague to the point where there they are useless.

(from http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=23173)

Other than that, I find it very strange that, supposedly INTPs who are known for their ability to discuss things with a high level of objectivity, treat criticisms of MBTI as heresy against a religion and say "you criticize MBTI? Why are you here if you don't believe in it?"

 

[PmjPmj]

I've also met people IRL who are quite rational, who have been infected with astrology. It makes me shit my pants every time they start talking about it because it's like it comes out of nowhere, like they're not the same person in relation to this topic.

Same, same.

I find the best course of action is to square up to them, get right in their face and shout "WROOOOOOONG!"

People gon' be people (read: fucking idiots), man.

 

[Hadoblado]

Does that actually change their minds? It sounds like it only makes you feel better while giving them the fuel they need to wall off any influence you otherwise would have had...

 

[PmjPmj]

I don't actually do that. What do you think I am, a complete jackass?

Most often, I just smile politely (well, I think I do; more likely I'm giving them the default death-stare) and perhaps, if I'm feeling adventurous, offer my view that I find the whole thing preposterous, but whatever / each to his or her own.

Unless it's someone I know well. Then I'll just tear in to them, because I demand better from the people I hold dear >_>

 

[redbaron]

I think this has gone on long enough Hado. You're a terrible mod. On the INTJ forum this guy would've gotten an infraction a loooong time ago. A warning/limited privileges are in order.

"I'm an ENTP"

:^)

The funniest thing is watching protoypical INTJ reckful have a lengthy debate with Inquisitor about who's authorities are the most authoritative and most correctest. If you cover up the names and avatars you can barely tell the difference between the two.

The only way ENTP Inquisitor makes sense in the context of MBTI is if he's just meta-trolling reckful by deliberately mirroring him, and none of the things he's saying are actually meant to be taken seriously, they're just the typical machinations of an ENTP gauging people's reactions.

 

[Hadoblado]

I think the self-identifying ENTPs on this forum are starting to outnumber the self-identifying INTPs.

:^)

Maybe it's time for another poll? ENTP is so in vogue. Whatever happened to INFJ? Wait who cares? #ENTP4lyfe

 

[PmjPmj]

I thought I was an INFJ for a while. Actually had some alleged pros type me, but it later transpired they weren't the best. I then got moving and shaking in the UK type community (BAPT) and had the president of that run me through MBTI II and III, plus FIRO B and the like.

The amount of self-derping I did at the revelation. How the fuck I ever assumed Fe is beyond me.

(anti-depressants, recent marriage and fatherhood probably helped, though).

 

[The Gopher]

I think the self-identifying ENTPs on this forum are starting to outnumber the self-identifying INTPs.

:^)

Maybe it's time for another poll? ENTP is so in vogue. Whatever happened to INFJ? Wait who cares? #ENTP4lyfe

Well once people realise they aren't INTP's and are a little more extroverted than what would be considered typical they have to find the closest MBTI type with street-cred.

 

[Hadoblado]

*only MBTI type with street-cred

We are after all, the only rational that is also likable.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I'm pretty sure a lot of INTPs go through this fickle ENTP phase. They have short moment of extroversion and they think they're ENTP... give it a few months and they revert back into their more introverted selves. I know I'm projecting a bit, but to an extent I think it's true for a broad range of introverts. If your Si is higher than your Fe, as in if you contemplate events more than you interact in them (putting this loftily I know), by definition INTP would be more fitting.

 

[Hadoblado]

I'm more inclined to think it's the other way around.

ENTPs are the most introverted extrovert. They're more likely to experience confusion in type and falter. Perhaps you were ENTP all along? INTPs are not a particularly extroverted introvert, and since Ne is second to their Ti they're less likely to be swayed into a false typing themselves off momentary impulse.

I thought myself an INTP for quite a long time...

 

[Urakro]

So now, all of a sudden, everybody thinks they socialise.

Stop this. Just stop this madness. You aren't extroverts, and you never will be.

 

[Hadoblado]

Wait weren't you ENTP too?

 

[Urakro]

Yes, but it's just challenging to admit to it. It's like no one really gets ENTP's. One minute we are arguing and debating like no tomorrow, then spontaneously agreeable. Everyone seems to trash on us, except those who really do get it.

I was trying to sway people from thinking they are extroverted, even though ENTP's are the most introverted/extroverted type. I just don't want to see anyone go through all this like I have.

I was being a bit of a jerk.

*sigh* [/tertiary Fe moment]

 

[TheManBeyond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6f8nWha80

 

[onesteptwostep]

Well I think if you, just or people in general here, identify with being ENTP more and you if you can superimpose its functions onto your social habits, lifestyle etc and so on, I guess it's okay. I think it's hard to type someone over the internet because the nature of it is so unilateral on a social level. Interaction is more like telepathy, putting out a statement, not an actual dialogue between peoples. Less organic.

Personally I think ENTPs identify as introverts since they have to bottle up so much of their zaniness. They look so.. they look like they're holding something back all the time. I think in some ways their Fe is weaker than an INTP's, but just more pronounced.

 

[Inquisitor]

Are you actually insulted by any of that stuff inquis? It just seems like normal arguing posture-speak.

I could pull you or reckless or myself up on a similar tone.

No you can't, because for all my disagreements with reckful, he never makes any ad hom attacks against me and neither do I. I have spit on his ideas and he has done the same. But we don't mock or deride each other personally.

I consider this:

More insulting than anything he said. Because it's specifically targeted at undermining competence.

When you start showing a little more objectivity, I'll retract it.

Equally:

while crude, it's addressing an argument, not an arguer

Adds nothing to the discussion. Intentionally inflammatory. Low quality.

Making a real claim that MBTI is about people collectively feeling good.

I disagree. It's clearly a derisive personal attack.

See: bullshit

Wrong again. The fact that he openly admitted he posts to "wage war" and that it makes him "feel good" indicates hostility. The intent is clearly not positive, it's vindictive. When reckful posts, it sometimes gets on my nerves, but at least he gives a well-reasoned argument, posts extensive links to other reading material, his tone is largely civil and he does not use nasty language.

Again, making a claim about the argument: that it resembles fundamentalist reasoning

I could go back and find even more examples, but it's basically a stream of mocking, derisive comments. Adds nothing to the discussion. It needs to stop.

This seems on point. ENTP's aren't the sort to make arguments from authority. You are.

This is your opinion. It is not a fact. Again, it's a low quality post that is likely meant to be inflammatory. He does not even explain himself. It's a one-liner.

I actually do take issue with this. I think I said as much in the thread it's from. It's arrogant and that nasty sort of ad hom where you phrase it as a question. His title or OP (can't remember which) was misleading and he should not have reacted the way he did given how ambiguous his communication had been.

Right, and yet you issued no warning or infraction. That would have been two weeks of limited privileges at INTJf.

This is making the point that while you act like an authority, you do not actually have a higher level of authority. He's not taking you down past where you actually are, he's just dismissing the soft claim that you are above where you are that is implicit in the way you argue. You don't argue as if the ground is even, you argue as if people have to justify their existence to you.

No. When people haven't done their homework or have very little experience in a particular area yet claim to know a subject in depth, then I treat their ideas with great skepticism. That is completely not the same as treating the individual with disdain, and I do not do that.

I mean seriously, in the witch-hunt thread you called me a bitch directly. You weren't addressing the things I was saying or phrasing an argument flavorfully, you straight out called me a bitch. And now you're calling me a terrible mod. I'm not warning you, because I don't think it's worth a warning, and it would be ridiculous to go after Tann and leave you be. You're arguing for a double standard.

You are not in a position to push for an increase in mod strictness without getting burned yourself. I would wager you've pissed more people off than Tann.

You're a mod, and I think you're not doing a good job. If you think that's insulting... tough. It comes with the territory. I'm calling into question your objectivity. It's ok to denigrate the views of other people, but it's not ok to denigrate people. I have never once initiated an ad-hom attack against anyone on here. The few times that this has happened (maybe twice), was in reaction to someone else. When I called you a "bitch," although technically a violation of forum rules, that was purely in jest, and should have been obvious to you from my tone and after that enormous diatribe you went on. I don't think anyone on here is a "bitch" for the record. Here are the rules over at INTJf:

1. Do Not Make Personal Attacks
Posts that serve no purpose other than to flame users annihilate the quality of discussion. Do not make personal attacks. This includes personal attacks obfuscated by vague language. You may critique or disdain argument and opinion posted by users, but you may not extend that method to maligning the users themselves.

2. Do Not Disrupt Discussion or Debate
Posts that disrupt the debate of a topic make discussion impractical. Do not ask users to stop debate or rebuff users for the act of posting to discussion threads. Do not respond to opinions that you happen to find offensive or outlandish by accusing the opining user of trolling, of being mistyped (in threads not dealing with typology), or by otherwise engaging in meta-discussion in such a way as to stymie debate. Do not accuse members of being sockpuppets (please do report them if you have serious concern). Similarly, do not create non-support threads for this purpose. Do not complain about forum operations in non-support threads.

7. Post With Quality In Mind
Although there is nothing wrong with being succinct, terse, or directly to the point, we ask that you try to avoid one-lined irrelevance. Chitchat and goofing around are welcome, but try to keep it to the appropriate threads and subforums and don't bombard those users who do not wish to participate. Do not dump excessively lurid or crude content into existing threads or create threads for that purpose. Do not post racist or antisemitic material anywhere on this forum.

He would have gotten an infraction a long time ago over there. You seem to have different standards. It should not matter that this forum has fewer members and even fewer core members. The job of a mod is to keep things civil, and the quality of the discussion relatively high. I think you're not doing a good job of that. I shouldn't even have to bring this up.

 

[Hadoblado]

This is not INTJ forum.

Why would an ENTP want an INTP forum to be more like INTJ forum?

My job is not 'to keep things civil'. It's to bring about an atmosphere conducive to quality discussion. If you need more rules and regulation, INTJforum beckons.

I am done having this conversation with you, if other members have concerns they can contact me or one of the other mods.

 

[TheManBeyond]

 

[OmoInisa]

This is not INTJ forum.

Why would an ENTP want an INTP forum to be more like INTJ forum?

My job is not 'to keep things civil'. It's to bring about an atmosphere conducive to quality discussion. If you need more rules and regulation, INTJforum beckons.

I am done having this conversation with you, if other members have concerns they can contact me or one of the other mods.

Hmm. Inquisitor prefers this place because of its more down-to-earth ambience I suspect.
Though he may well prefer the more demarcated and unequivocal spirit at the other place. This thread has been intriguing.

 

[PmjPmj]

Hang on, what is an 'INTJ forum' even like?

If you're talking about tight regulations and other such inane shenanigans, see ISTJ.

 

[Inquisitor]

This is not INTJ forum.

Why would an ENTP want an INTP forum to be more like INTJ forum?

My job is not 'to keep things civil'. It's to bring about an atmosphere conducive to quality discussion. If you need more rules and regulation, INTJforum beckons.

I am done having this conversation with you, if other members have concerns they can contact me or one of the other mods.

Right....I'm sure a lack of civility is going to be conducive to quality discussion. Completely ridiculous. Also, why does it matter what my type is in this case? Clear guidelines and rules help discussions remain on track and keep animosity to a minimum. Are you seriously suggesting that because I'm an ENTP (which I thought you decided I wasn't, so this doesn't even make sense...I thought your assessment of my type was ISTJ?) I am supposed to enjoy a poorly moderated discussions?

Fair is fair man. You and Blaurraun issued an "official warning" to me in the past, and I changed my behavior afterwards. This is what mods do. I don't resent you or him/her for doing that either. I've had a couple infractions issued to me over at INTJf and many members on there get them regularly. Again, even though I was annoyed when it happened, looking back on it now, it was warranted, and I changed my tune to make sure it didn't happen again. The results of these policies speak for themselves. There's far less inter-personal animosity over there despite the fact that there are more members and the disagreements can get really heated at times. Again, people spit on each other's ideas, but not on each other. You run things very loosely here, and things get out of hand frequently from what I've noticed...just something to think about.

Hang on, what is an 'INTJ forum' even like?

If you're talking about tight regulations and other such inane shenanigans, see ISTJ.

http://intjforum.com/

It's a really big place. Surprised you haven't been. Lots of good stuff happening over there.

 

[PmjPmj]

It's well known that the INTJ forum is run by a bunch of moronic fucking ISTJs. Please do not assume that their iron fist style of ruling is anything to do with my kind. We're as chill as fuck.

Apart from the E1s.

They can piss off.

 

[OmoInisa]

It's well known that the INTJ forum is run by a bunch of moronic fucking ISTJs. Please do not assume that their iron fist style of ruling is anything to do with my kind. We're as chill as fuck.

Apart from the E1s.

They can piss off.

By 'my kind', I presume you mean E4s. By your own admission, you're a rather atypical INTJ. The essences of the E4 and the INTJ are very different. An INTJ forum isn't going to be a very lax place. Ni and 'chill' do not belong in the same galaxy.
I was entertained by your 'rod up arse' imagery from earlier in the thread. It's a well-observed archetype that's more INTJ than ISTJ. Te produces the rod, and Ni drops the anus onto it.

 

[Inquisitor]

It's well known that the INTJ forum is run by a bunch of moronic fucking ISTJs. Please do not assume that their iron fist style of ruling is anything to do with my kind. We're as chill as fuck.

Apart from the E1s.

They can piss off.

Not sure what you're basing that off of dude...Most everyone on there is an INTJ. As for the mods, I actually have no idea. My sample size is small b/c I spend most of my time in Politics & Current Events, but very few there are what I would describe as "chill."

By 'my kind', I presume you mean E4s. By your own admission, you're a rather atypical INTJ. The essences of the E4 and the INTJ are very different. An INTJ forum isn't going to be a very lax place. Ni and 'chill' do not belong in the same galaxy.
I was entertained by your 'rod up arse' imagery from earlier in the thread. It's a well-observed archetype that's more INTJ than ISTJ. Te produces the rod, and Ni drops the anus onto it.

Yeah sometimes INTJs can be chill I've found...especially when they're not working and just joking around. Usually though...the ones I've interacted with have been pretty wound up.

 

[Sinny91]

Hehe, least you get official warnings.

Be thankful.

 

[redbaron]

It's okay Inquisitor you can stop your meta-ironic-post-enlightenment, "INTJforum is kewl" shtick now. You're an ENTP so everyone knows you don't seriously prefer INTJforum.

I mean, what kind of ENTP actually wants super strict rules on an internet forum?

:^)

 

[Urakro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6f8nWha80

Usually, it's pretty easy to spot the ENTP's from the INTP's. Because Si is inferior in ENTP's, you'll get some that are negligent on their body image, and appear a little more rounder than INTP's. But that not being the only thing to keep an eye on, because some ENTP's haven't fully used Ne yet, and might have lived life a little repressed from their dominant function.

Usually ENTP's will have a wide scope of interests, particularly if they aren't busy narrowing down the possibilities. So if you notice they aren't focused intently behind in their favourite place, then they'll be out looking for new information to feed their motivations.

INTP's are really hard to get talking with. They won't initiate conversation, nor maintain in any of it, thus making it short and awkward. ENTP's on the other hand are pretty lax and talkative, just as long as they aren't on the job, or stressed.

 

[TheManBeyond]

i'm starting an experiment with INTJ forum, i'm there discussing some issues, hopefully i'll infect their system within a few weeks, i'll be reporting back here, we might find answers to some of our questions

 

[PmjPmj]

By 'my kind', I presume you mean E4s. By your own admission, you're a rather atypical INTJ. The essences of the E4 and the INTJ are very different. An INTJ forum isn't going to be a very lax place. Ni and 'chill' do not belong in the same galaxy.
I was entertained by your 'rod up arse' imagery from earlier in the thread. It's a well-observed archetype that's more INTJ than ISTJ. Te produces the rod, and Ni drops the anus onto it.

5w4, as it happens.

All joking aside, I definitely can have a rod up my arse about some things, but it's a matter of perspective. I find that I'm a lot more laid back these days; having a young family and therefore a distinct lack of sleep / energy has necessitated a rather abrupt drop in standards. I hated it for a while, but then realised "Ah, this isn't so bad - life isn't such srs bsns'.

Actually, Ni is all about seeing the bigger picture. We can all be quite intense at points, but it is my personal experience that Ni dominants tend to be quick with the whole 'stepping back and looking at the whole' thing. In other words, calming down and getting some perspective.

Of the INTJs I know, one has a rod up his arse 24/7. The others are a lot more chilled out than the stereotypes would suggest... until they're on a mission to accomplish something.

Inert INTJ = chill. INTJ fired up and trying to achieve = get out of my way.

Trufacts.

 

[redbaron]

All joking aside, I definitely can have a rod up my arse about some things, but it's a matter of perspective. I find that I'm a lot more laid back these days; having a young family and therefore a distinct lack of sleep / energy has necessitated a rather abrupt drop in standards.

So the rod's still there, you've just learned to relax and enjoy the ride.

:^)

 

[OmoInisa]

5w4, as it happens.

All joking aside, I definitely can have a rod up my arse about some things, but it's a matter of perspective. I find that I'm a lot more laid back these days; having a young family and therefore a distinct lack of sleep / energy has necessitated a rather abrupt drop in standards. I hated it for a while, but then realised "Ah, this isn't so bad - life isn't such srs bsns'.

Actually, Ni is all about seeing the bigger picture. We can all be quite intense at points, but it is my personal experience that Ni dominants tend to be quick with the whole 'stepping back and looking at the whole' thing. In other words, calming down and getting some perspective.

Of the INTJs I know, one has a rod up his arse 24/7. The others are a lot more chilled out than the stereotypes would suggest... until they're on a mission to accomplish something.

Inert INTJ = chill. INTJ fired up and trying to achieve = get out of my way.

Trufacts.

All true. This I've seen as well. The pedant in me will pick out the issue of big picture and perspective though. Big picture, yes. Perspective, not so much.

It's a fundamental attribute of any introverted function to be lacking in perspective. Extroversion sees more, while introversion sees better.

Pi funnels reality through its narrow perceptive lense, and delves into it with greater sophistication than Pe. This is precisely why Pi-doms are usually more implacable in their worldview. They've put a lot of themselves into creating that ecosystem. Things that fall outside the well are dismissed.

The broader an INTJ's exposure and life experience, the more accurate and truly soohisticated that well is going to be. The less the exposure, the more dangerous and primitive it could be.
Dangerous because Je outwardly projects an agenda based on the contents of that well.

 

[Happy]

Fuck INTJforum.

INTPforum is much better, but lacks a certain element of chaos that I like in a forum. I enjoy lurking here and making the occasional non-contributory post. Plus I met some really great people irl from this forum.

I wish there was an ENTPforum, but it's never going to happen. Or not on a permanent basis at least.

/end derail

 

[Hadoblado]

This forum is basically ENTP forum anyway. There is a seriously large population here.

 

[Happy]

This forum is basically ENTP forum anyway. There is a seriously large population here.

...Of which not that many seem to identify with the INTP type... Or change their mind...

Edit: I'm a tard and didn't read your post properly.

 

[TheManBeyond]

funny, i think i just got banned from the INTJ forum
pieces of shit

 

[redbaron]

funny, i think i just got banned from the INTJ forum
pieces of shit

So how'd your plan work out?

:^)

 

[Jennywocky]

funny, i think i just got banned from the INTJ forum
pieces of shit

Well, damn.

What are you ever gonna do with your life now? There's nothing left.

The birds have flown. The grass has died. The wheat has been eaten.

 

[TheManBeyond]

I made like 20 posts, i was trying to discuss stuff with some users. My username (JawDropper) perhaps didn't help me.
I was just softly throwing here and there hate messages on INTJs stereotypes, and kind of putting in doubt their INTJness but apparently someone saw where i was coming from... and going... damn i went too fast hoping they were more permissive and indeed it's now a prove of how ISTJs they are.
But i think the problem is that the forum is less cozy, here it seems we are closer, everything is smaller, there it seems you are alone all the time. And i don't think it's because i'm used to this forum, cuz i also frequently visit other forums and they are the same as INTJf.
It's more about the design.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Damn reading this thread was waste of time as usual. Yes you seem like ENTP based what you said on INTJf and INTPf here. Id like to ask you though since you claim to know a lot about MBTI. What would be main difference between INTP thinking and ENTP thinking? If that question makes sense. I have been battling with INTP vs ENTP long time and I seriously consider both ENTP and INTP to be almost the same type or sister types< not sure how else to call them?>

Secondly whats the difference between Fe of ENTP and Fe of INTP in some real world scenarious?

 

[TheManBeyond]

Damn reading this thread was waste of time as usual. Yes you seem like ENTP based what you said on INTJf and INTPf here. Id like to ask you though since you claim to know a lot about MBTI. What would be main difference between INTP thinking and ENTP thinking? If that question makes sense. I have been battling with INTP vs ENTP long time and I seriously consider both ENTP and INTP to be almost the same type or sister types< not sure how else to call them?>

Secondly whats the difference between Fe of ENTP and Fe of INTP in some real world scenarious?

I never claimed that i was a guru of typology, the more i read about it the less it seems i know. Imagine you go inside a classroom, the INTP will be the typical nerd facing one of the corners, the ENTP will be the profesor teaching his pupils.
Fe is like the perfect host.
Tertiary Fe is not so much about adapting the emotional flow percieved in the situation but more like a tool for keeping a certain interesting discussion in order, making sure everyone is involved in it and there's understanding between the two parts, there are some rules to follow to keep the feedback alive.
INTPs repress this, they won't be able to play the hosts, they just keep coming up with reasonings caring little but how should i say this or how should i act about that thus they are social inepts, and be carefull: it's not because they are not capable of understanding emotions, it's just that naturally their introverted thinking system disregards the process of emotional adaptability, precision leads blindly, doesn't want interruptions, anything related to that must be erased, inferior Fe is always negative when it takes control. Instead they have tertiary Si which makes them be more consistent in their inner system logic code or whatsoever.
For ENTPs Si is repressed which means they are not capable of settle down, their mind will be always jumping from one place to the other, they won't go so deep as INTPs in the ideas which might seem a contradicition but it's not.
Extroverted are more naturally outgoing, they are searching for change thus they are more "superficial" while introverts are "deep", they are like crab snails, hidding in their refuge of knowdlege.

hi friends, why can't we be friends?
if there's a song that fits better the archaic social characteristics of INTPs then that song is this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8