identifying non24 sleep wake syndrome

[peoplesuck]

I was not sure what category this would be, since it seems to be a neurological disorder..

Does anyone know how to tell non24 sleep wake syndrome from really bad sleep habits?

its either this or delayed sleep phase syndrome, but since people with dsps seem to have normal-ish sleep schedules it doesnt seem fitting
I would see a doctor but that costs money so yeeh.

I show signs of chronic insomnia and chronic fatigue syndrome.
my body seems to have no interest in being awake in the day.
im not depressed to my knowledge

non24

http://www.non-24.com/about-non-24.php

 

[nanook]

it's probably more than the sleep habits that are bad. sleep is affected by caffeine (quit it), by light (darken the room in the evening), by food timing (have a fucking breakfast) and possibly exercise timing (oxidative stress could keep you awake), food choices (it's complicated), also the universe (respect day/night cycles regardless of whether you get to see sunlight or not). if you get up late and go to bed late you will probably spend most of your waking time in an energy preservation mode, which can make you stay awake longer and also make overweight more likely.

 

[computerhxr]

You may be a night-owl. I really enjoy the moon, and I don't like the idea of looking like a leather bag when I'm 50. I enjoy the sun in moderation.

You can get special lighting that they put in offices that have no natural light to prevent depression and suicide. I work from home so I try to get as much natural sun light as possible, but never direct sunlight for long periods of time. The Sun will wake you up, and it keeps you healthy.

Depression doesn't feel like depression especially as an INTP. I get depressed sometimes and I have no idea. I just feel tired and I start to lose interest in things. For an FJ, they would be more likely to cry with these same feelings.

Maybe answering these questions would shed some light?

Do you get out and exercise daily?

Do you drink caffeinated drinks? More than one per day? After 5pm?

Do you have problems sleeping during the day?

Do you have hobbies and interests?

What is your diet like? Have you seen a nutritionist, or had blood tests since this started?

 

[peoplesuck]

i dont exercise much.
i dont drink coffe, rarely drink soda
i can usually only sleep when im drop dead tired
hobbies..i like to learn about stuff, gaming
i eat badly, not too much though. my mom said i dont eat enough, the food is usually not healthy though.
i eat when im hungry. eating in the morning makes me sick.

i think one of the major indicators of non24 is ur sleep patterns are everywhere, which mine are.

 

[peoplesuck]

if i am depressed (idfk). depression is common with non24.
Will eating/environment(lights) make you change ur sleep schedule to be nocturnal/ always fluctuating?

my windows are all covered, though i do use my laptop


The main reason i question if i have it is the fact that .3 or .003 % of people have it, and 50% that do are blind.

 

[own8ge]

At a certain point in my life I also thought to be suffering from some kind of sleep disorder. Now I sleep just fine; when I'm happy at least.

What have changed? A lot. Here are some general advise:
Everyday you should exhaust your incoming stumulus. = perception. Go to the woods, or city; and just observe and wonder about life. Don't just sit behind a monitor with limited color range, hertz and "pixels". You are on this forum, so I suppose you like observing people. Look at people in real life; you'll learn more than reading on this forum. Change your diet, try to eat healthy and avoid hidden ingredients that fuck with your system. Also avoid added sugars, added sugar is as dangerous as cocain. (Added sugar also makes you stupid, and since you are on INTPforum, you'll probably harbor intelligence; so cut the sugar intake...). And very important... Get more social contact! We are social beings, if you lack it, your spirit will crave it. Of course you are wake in the evenings, your spirit isn't satisfied yet (so get out more). I could go on and on, but I hope you get the main idea.

 

[peoplesuck]

I have a few questions about bipolar disorder. is it possible to only show very few signs of a depressive phase? If someone is having a manic phase and they barley sleep is it normal for them to be fine when being entertained,yet to crash when they get bored? I am apathetic, and i show a few of the mania signs

 

[k9b4]

Does anyone know how to tell non24 sleep wake syndrome from really bad sleep habits?

What's the difference?

I used to stay up all night and sleep all day, does that mean I had a disorder? Nope, it just meant I stayed up during the night and slept during the day.

If you want to sleep during the night just fucking sleep during the night.

Get some sun during the day, sunlight tells your body to wake up.

Don't look at any bright lights after dark, for the same reason as above, bright lights tell your body to wake up (this includes computer screens).

I believe meal timing affects sleepiness also.

 

[peoplesuck]

What's the difference?

do you know what non24 is?

 

[k9b4]

do you know what non24 is?

yeah a retard disorder thought of by a retard

 

[peoplesuck]

noooope nope

 

[k9b4]

noooope nope

Well, either way, I think you should just try to sleep at the right time by getting sun during the day, avoiding looking at screens after it's dark outside, and eating at like 6-7pm.

I entertain myself after dark by reading books in low light.

(Though it is 9:30pm here atm and im on a computer )

 

[Yellow]

According to the page you linked to, unless you are blind or are otherwise unable to differentiate between night and day, then even if you have non24, your body resets daily, leaving you unable to confuse day and night (hormonally).

I have had troubles with sleep for as long as I (or my parents) can remember. Insomnia runs in my family, but I also have had issues with sleep paralysis (with and without the monsters), night terrors, incessantly recurring nightmares, and sleep-related anxiety. Luckily, my parents never sought to have me medicated as a child and I have avoided it as an adult. Now, my sleep patterns are well within normal range for an adult. Access to natural light (and dark), daily activity, and sleep-time rituals help.

Edit:

I have a few questions about bipolar disorder. is it possible to only show very few signs of a depressive phase? If someone is having a manic phase and they barley sleep is it normal for them to be fine when being entertained,yet to crash when they get bored? I am apathetic, and i show a few of the mania signs

Everyone experiences ups and downs, more energetic moods and less. While I fully recognize the importance of identifying and treating mental illnesses, I would hesitate to encourage self-diagnoses. Too often, we look for an easy solution to our problems, and few things are easier than rattling off the name of an illness or two and then popping some heavy medication.

 

[peoplesuck]

sorry that was kind of a bad link, mb

The internal circadian clock, located in the hypothalamus of the brain, generates a signal that is slightly longer (occasionally shorter) than 24 hours. Normally, this slight deviation is corrected by exposure to environmental time cues, especially the solar light-dark cycle, which reset the clock and synchronize (entrain) it to the 24-hour day. Morning light exposure resets the clock earlier, and evening exposure resets it later, thereby bracketing the rhythm to an average 24-hour period. If normal people are deprived of external time cues (living in a cave or artificial time-isolated environment with no light), their circadian rhythms will "free-run" with a cycle of more (occasionally less) than 24 hours, expressing the intrinsic period of the circadian clock. The circadian rhythms of individuals with non-24 can resemble those of experimental subjects living in a time-isolated environment, even though they are living in normal society.

i have no intent to get any hard meds for any disorders i make myself think i have, i just want to know if i actually have them. non24 is usually treated with serotonin and daylight

 

[computerhxr]

i dont exercise much.
i dont drink coffe, rarely drink soda
i can usually only sleep when im drop dead tired
hobbies..i like to learn about stuff, gaming
i eat badly, not too much though. my mom said i dont eat enough, the food is usually not healthy though.
i eat when im hungry. eating in the morning makes me sick.

i think one of the major indicators of non24 is ur sleep patterns are everywhere, which mine are.

If you exercise more in the morning, you will sleep better at night. I run into this problem all of the time. I spent too much time researching and on the computer, so I never actually get tired. I would go for weeks or months without sleeping. When I exercise I can sleep and end up feeling better during the day. This might be the solution to your problem, you are not physically exhausting your body so there is no reason to sleep. Sleep is to repair the damages that you do to your body so that it will be stronger, but you are not damaging your muscles.

Eating more vegetables and healthy crap will help you sleep. The green part of vegetables contains melanin. It is not the same as melatonin, but it has the same effect in my opinion. Mushrooms contain melatonin, and you can get pills that will help you sleep.

I started drinking blended smoothies in the mornings (frozen strawberries, frozen blueberries, apple juice, and a few spoon fulls of Greek yogurt). Eating breakfast would make me sick too. But this clears out that feeling and you have more energy during the day. Plus, it's probiotic with healthy sugars. Eating healthy clears out your system and you will adapt to whatever you eat so after a while it will taste better and unhealthy food will make you sick. The transition is difficult but it only takes a few weeks of commitment and you're on the other side of the fence.

If you exercise and change your diet to include more variety of fruits and vegetables, you will feel a lot better and start sleeping.

Also, you might have too much on the brain before you go to bed. Try to find ways to clear to head leading up until bed time. That will keep you awake.

Also, get more natural light. In the morning, open the windows and let the sun wake you up. It feel horrible at first, but after a while it feels awesome waking up naturally! Indoor lighting does not typically have the correct spectrum of light but you can get natural white light bulbs. I sometimes use photography lights because they are the right spectrum. Sun will reduce feelings of depression.

You can make small changes and dig yourself out of this hole that you're in. You can do it! Have a fantastic day!

 

[nanook]

yes, going through the day with dissociated body and feeling will still throw me out of my rhythm, despite having fixed all those other factors.

sea weed (nori, wakame, available in asian stores) contains iodine, tiny doses of it can make you super sleepy, like shit my eyes are closing while i operate my computer in the middle of the morning. but overdosing iodine is actually dangerous, because it can induce thyroid disorders. there is debate over why iodine makes tired. some say it brings bromide into circulation. iodine can also make you sleep significantly longer though. not sure if it can help with fixing the rhythm.

 

[peoplesuck]

computerhxr

The circadian rhythms of individuals with non-24 can resemble those of experimental subjects living in a time-isolated environment, even though they are living in normal society. Ill try and do all the recommendations and see if im still the same.

as for nanook, i live in the us, not sure how ill get any seaweed, serotonin substitute sounds safer/easier to get

 

[EyeSeeCold]

What time do you typically wake up to start your day? What is energy level at midday/evening? Do you sleep in total silence+darkness or not?

Back in highschool I would constantly get daytime drowsiness and could never fall asleep within 30 minutes or so at night. What changed were my TV habits and not having to wake up at 5:30-6:00 in the morning for an hour long commute.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Oh it's probably the food. Don't eat when you're hungry, eat at set times. Eat healthy at the right times and you'll have a regular sleep schedule back in about 3 days. I had a night job once and it was a complete mess trying to retune my body back into shape. The fatigue probably comes from sleeping when your stomach is empty. Do you feel nauseous sometimes? Being on the computer too long at night can mess up your pattern too. PC is like a drug...

 

[peoplesuck]

during school i get up at 7:00
during no-school 11:00-1:00
im pretty level as far as energy goes. more energy at night though.
sleep in total silence? good 1
i keep my room pretty dark

it makes me sick to eat when im not hungry

 

[computerhxr]

it makes me sick to eat when im not hungry

Same here. I stopped drinking coke altogether. Coke-a-cola is fracking horrible ( for your health )! I started eating a large variety of fruits and vegetables and this went away. Fasting is another way to clear the system but it's extreme so be prepared for ups and downs. Cut one bad thing per week ( or month ), and add one good thing in its place. It will turn around slowly over time.

Also, force yourself to drink water. School and work force you to drink very little because they do not allow enough potty breaks.

Check this out... I guess some lady drank a healthy amount of water for 30 days with noticeable effects on her face. Dehydration is very unhealthy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2480491/How-drinking-litres-water-day-took-years-face.html