ideas that doesnt work

[sushi]

one of the things i find inspiring reading Cognisant's posts is his suggestion of brainstorming a list of ideas everyday
making a list of ideas everyday and keep practcing and filter the best ones and an effort to break out of employee trap

so here i make a thread about ideas you have that doesnt work regarding invention or business., technology

all ideas start from things that doesnt work, and slowing through experimentation and improvment becomes workable.

 

[Cognisant]

Ideas that don't work? I like your angle on this, less speculation more information.

Well most prominent for me was the delivery drone idea which aside from being killed by government intervention was a valuable experience in the relationship between expenses, risks and profit. Having autonomous drones deliver cans of soft drink purchased through a phone app is possible however the real trick would be getting those drones to be either reliable enough or cheap enough (ideally both) that you can still make a profit after your expenses. This is a problem currently being faced by all those startups littering the streets with their electric scooters, a lot of them are being vandalized, stolen or simply destroyed (the "Lime fish" has become endemic to the Brisbane river) which is obviously going to hurt their bottom line.

What I think would be more practical would be if you could hire the scooter for a period of time (days, weeks, months, a cheaper rate for a longer period) and once you've set up your account and pay it gets delivered to you and when you're finished you can either return it to the dispatch center yourself or let a courier retrieve it. As time passes you can trade in your rental for newer flashier models and if any damage happens it'll be replaced and depending upon whether or not the damage falls under a fair use policy you may or may not be charged a repair fee.
(sorry not the point of the thread but I couldn't help myself)

Also if you want to make/sell food there's often A LOT of rules around that which is why street vendors aren't as common in developed countries as developing ones, bit of a shame and kinda ironic that Bangkok's amazing variety of street foods is offset by the fact that as a westerner you probably can't eat them.
(unless you're really stubborn and willing to have hot liquid shits for a while)

Has anyone tried anything catering to tourists? There's a big casino opening here soon which will presumably attract a lot of Chinese tourists and I sense an opportunity there.

 

[Rebis]

An idea for portable clothing stations, to which you can deposit/receive a loan of a jacket. This would be driven by AI and allow people to wear/deposit a jacket dependent on the transition of weather. AI would ensure no employment cost, these clothing stations would be relatively small so little property is used, and there would be portability as people could keep rainy jackets a few blocks down from their work for an unexpected rainy day.

 

[scorpiomover]

What I think would be more practical would be if you could hire the scooter for a period of time (days, weeks, months, a cheaper rate for a longer period) and once you've set up your account and pay it gets delivered to you and when you're finished you can either return it to the dispatch center yourself or let a courier retrieve it.

There's a scheme like that in the UK, that could be imitated. You can hire a bicycle very cheaply on your credit card. You can ride it where you want to go. Then you leave it on the pavement. It's fitted with a GPS (lo-jack). A van is sent out to pick them up each night. You could use a more complex version of Google Maps to work out the best route to pick them all up.

If you steal the bike, so you can keep using it, it's on your credit card. So the amounts just keep going up until you were better off buying your own bicycle.

Could easily do the same with a scooter.

 

[scorpiomover]

Gaming shops.

You can go there, hire a PS4 or Xbox360 with whatever games you want to play: new games, old games, whatever. You can go with your friends, hang out in your own little booth and play together. Like Laser Tag but for video games.

I'd make them also like coffee shops in Holland. You can get food, beer or weed.

When you've finished, you can make your own way home, or they can call you a taxi. Maybe they can even do a group drop-off so the price of the trip is split between the passengers. Since they were all at the same shop playing video games, I doubt they'd cause trouble for each other.

So you can have a nice night with your mates playing video games, in a very comfy atmosphere, where you can get drunk, or stoned, or eat pizza, and then get a cheap ride home. If there are enough people doing it, the prices could come right down. Might even be something you could do most nights.

 

[sushi]

I find alot of old people are suffering in hospitals and elderly homes, and i dont know what one can do can help those people. They also walk very slow and suffer major handicap.

perhaps in the future mind uploading, or transfering their consciousness into another body will alleviate their suffering. Right now, there doesnt seem to be a solution

 

[walfin]

I had 2 ideas that would have worked but other people got around to doing them first. 1 of them is an automated money changer machine (already done by another company) and another is a design of ceiling-mounted bladeless fans that sucks air through the centre and blows it out the sides of the fan.

I also built a T-shirt printing kiosk which was an automated system allowing the user to print their own photo on the T-shirt. However, it failed to gain traction.

I have 6 mobile apps which have not gained traction with the market at https://customautosys.com/products.html. They work in the sense that they are actual apps that run but I don't know how to take them forward. Would welcome any marketing ideas.

Gaming shops.

You can go there, hire a PS4 or Xbox360 with whatever games you want to play: new games, old games, whatever. You can go with your friends, hang out in your own little booth and play together. Like Laser Tag but for video games.

I'd make them also like coffee shops in Holland. You can get food, beer or weed.

When you've finished, you can make your own way home, or they can call you a taxi. Maybe they can even do a group drop-off so the price of the trip is split between the passengers. Since they were all at the same shop playing video games, I doubt they'd cause trouble for each other.

So you can have a nice night with your mates playing video games, in a very comfy atmosphere, where you can get drunk, or stoned, or eat pizza, and then get a cheap ride home. If there are enough people doing it, the prices could come right down. Might even be something you could do most nights.

I used to own 1 of these with 3 other friends as well, but the business slowly dwindled over time and we shut it down. It's difficult because nowadays most people have PCs and/or gaming consoles at home.

 

[sushi]

is it possible to invent/engineer a device to increase heat, melt the ice and modify the wealther.,

this could be applied to extreme cold regions like canada and russia (siberia).

I am thinking something like solar panels, but different.

 

[peoplesuck]

I always thought a giant stirling engine would be able to make huge amounts of power for free.
Have it in antarctica, the heat from the core of the earth paired with the cold surface would allow it to run, like, for a while. Until it sapped the heat from the earths core?

 

[sushi]

I always thought a giant stirling engine would be able to make huge amounts of power for free.
Have it in antarctica, the heat from the core of the earth paired with the cold surface would allow it to run, like, for a while. Until it sapped the heat from the earths core?

i am thinking increasing the intensity of sunlight or heat to melt the ice, or warm the weather. what is the antartica technology called.

 

[Rebis]

is it possible to invent/engineer a device to increase heat, melt the ice and modify the wealther.,

this could be applied to extreme cold regions like canada and russia (siberia).

I am thinking something like solar panels, but different.

Nothing on a mass scale no, We could have a portable heater but that wouldn't be a good idea. In terms of mass scale we do have one heating device: Greenhouse gases.

 

[sushi]

the future is human jet flight.

its what henry ford say: if i ask what people want, they will say a faster horse.

How efficient is land transportation and travel? My impression is that terrible because of traffic jams and population increase. Given that, traditional, car, and land transportation will still exist,.

Even though there are so many things unworkable with human flight concept now, its the future.
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the downside that makes it unoworkable now because its hard to control/uncontrollable. and dangerous.

its not flying cars, but personalized flight suits that will be the trend.

 

[gilliatt]

Probably electric vehicles. They are too small, too light, get you killed and Americans like their large, powerful pick-up trucks, cars, I for one, not giving up my lovely gas burning vehicle. Love oil/gas! Besides, what are you going to do with all those worn out batteries, pollution everywhere, throw them out on the side of the road!

 

[sushi]

hardest to convert an idea or process into a product

 

[gilliatt]

These government schools, bad idea. They are all political, about brainwashing, indoctrination, poisoning the minds of our youth. My point of view, opinion that they are anti-man, anti-mind, anti-life, anti-freedom, anti-capitalism, pro-collective, pro-communist/socialist/fascist. It is true! STOP IT!!!!!!

 

[sushi]

problems are often opportunities in capitalism, although i dislike the system as much as other people that are against it.

if you see a problem and scarcity, you can just milk your way to profit.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Ideas all work in ideal world.
The skills is Te Thinking extrovert to fit Ti Thinking introvert.

Most peoples ideas fail because they don't fit reality.

Ergo electric cars are the future, but the tech to make them doable is not here yet, despite all the tech already here.
It took the engineers who made Tesla possible (Elon Musk just bought them rich daddy guy) more than decade and engineering miracle to get those babies running.

When it comes to ideas like helicopter or plane, these ideas existed decades before they worked.
It took us 400 years to get from gravity to the moon.

Capitalism has one problem. Everyone wants everything NOW ASAP!.
The Wright brothers worked their asses off for years before they got the plane to leap and crash. And then 100s of runs before it took of and actually landed few 100 feet later.
This skill to work on something today for longer period of time is no longer available to ordinary people.
Only people who have this skill are INTJs.
ENTJs don't because they are way too successful too fast. For them its easier to pick the easier route.
Most ordinary life revolves around ESFJs mindset. Social likeable and justifiably greedy, but not needy enough to rock the boat.

INTPs are like INTJs only INTPs don't like the part where it gets real.
INTPs that find the Te engine in them are like rock stars, but the problem is their brains don't work like INTJ brains long term.

Enterprising people are swallowed and spat out in the machinery of capitalism.

Lot of good ideas floating around waiting to be realized, but people don't realize that the ideas are the easy part.

 

[Hourglass]

Things that don’t work don’t fulfill their original purpose, but the purpose can always be reattributed elsewhere, and so anything can work in theory, but how much do we actually need a certain thing to work?

I’ll bring children’s figurines into the picture: dolls or action figures for example don’t actually do anything yet we want them not because they “work” but because it makes us “feel” like there is something to “play with”.

By this i mean, compared to a wrench or toolbox, there isn’t a practicality to it yet it is still such a popular children’s toy that many kids are fascinated with. A doll or figurine is literally a fake person that is objectified and supposed allude to life in the future as a grown up, life elsewhere in the imagination, or a placeholder for a friend. That serves a purpose and “works” and we see how figurine conglomerates influence how kids think and act and are the default gift many of us think to give to kids. So what that means is… figurines “work”. Even though they don’t work or function practically in the literal sense. But they don’t have a utilitarian value, they have a representative value that that makes it “work”.

There are so many things that “don’t work” yet exist today. Yet we buy them because of what might be entirely primitive feelings.

There are so many things that we think are impossible but are possible and we should focus on these areas today, but these things are hard.

 

[dr froyd]

any idea that is based on making a phone app. These never work because the market is absolutely stuffed with supply of apps, as there is practically zero barrier for entry. Any idea you have there's already an app for it.

 

[ZenRaiden]

but these things are hard.

Yes, but you just made me realize that the invisible part of inventing good things is making it easy.
We often don't realize part of the idea made real process is making it easy.
Hence making this real is not the whole picture. Making it real also includes making it easy.


In schools we are often taught to perceive things hard.
The best inventions are the ones that make stuff easy or easier than before.
The wheel is good example.
Its not that making wheels was hard. What made wheels interesting was easy way of making wheels.
Same way anyone can be rich. The trick is to make it easy to make money.
Making airplanes is hard. Making airplanes the easy way is hard.
Same with electric cars. They were made long time ago. What made them at least semi viable is the tech that made them easy to make.

We often see engineering as a matter of inventing something.

Most engineers are not there to make miracles. They are there to make impossible things ergo tech easy.

Same for inventors. Tesla did not get rich.
Its people who made the end product easy for others.

 

[Hourglass]

but these things are hard.

Yes, but you just made me realize that the invisible part of inventing good things is making it easy.
We often don't realize part of the idea made real process is making it easy.
Hence making this real is not the whole picture. Making it real also includes making it easy.


In schools we are often taught to perceive things hard.
The best inventions are the ones that make stuff easy or easier than before.
The wheel is good example.
Its not that making wheels was hard. What made wheels interesting was easy way of making wheels.
Same way anyone can be rich. The trick is to make it easy to make money.
Making airplanes is hard. Making airplanes the easy way is hard.
Same with electric cars. They were made long time ago. What made them at least semi viable is the tech that made them easy to make.

We often see engineering as a matter of inventing something.

Most engineers are not there to make miracles. They are there to make impossible things ergo tech easy.

Same for inventors. Tesla did not get rich.
Its people who made the end product easy for others.

And what makes things inequitable for inventors is that what is thought to be easy for some inventors is not easy for the popular masses. And perhaps vice versa.

And so if this is a cycle where inventors are not getting rich off what they invent, isn’t this a very flawed system and do we need a more equitable system of rewarding inventors for their inventions?

I can’t imagine how many people in companies have invented things for the company they worked for yet have been paid a disproportionate fraction of what they deserved.

It is odd how some people find it easy to talk about Jobs and difficult to talk about Wozniak.

Wozniak was a legend. Not to say Jobs was not a legend - He was as well in his own way. But I can’t remember Woz having a moment in the spotlight. And so perhaps this means humans are flawed by familiarity bias and popularity bias. We tend to remember Jobs because he was more familiar and popular.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I can’t imagine how many people in companies have invented things for the company they worked for yet have been paid a disproportionate fraction of what they deserved.

Generally speaking we don't live in meritocracy. As money does not serve merit.
So if you ever want to get rich of something, don't tell anyone. Hence why so many pro inventors go to great lengths to conceal inventions.
One guy I read about went to as much lengths as using wave blocking devices so they could not read his mind. LOL. Which does not surprise me.

 

[Hourglass]

money does not serve merit.

What does money serve?

 

[scorpiomover]

I find alot of old people are suffering in hospitals and elderly homes, and i dont know what one can do can help those people. They also walk very slow and suffer major handicap.

perhaps in the future mind uploading, or transfering their consciousness into another body will alleviate their suffering. Right now, there doesnt seem to be a solution

Potential solution: People always complain about how young people never walk anywhere anymore, because they're always too busy talking to each other on their phones, or on the internet. The internet and smartphone technology was almost custom built for people who have a lot of time on their hands but are mostly sitting still. Then they are entertained, and if they need help from others, can use the internet and smartphones to contact other people.

We should make the internet and smartphones to be elderly friendly.

 

[ZenRaiden]

What does money serve?

That is like asking what does a hammer serve. Whatever you use it for.
Since we don't live in society that rewards merit, money does not serve merit.

Money ultimately serves whatever we make it do. But money is like electricity.
It is the conduit that defines where the current goes.
It is the financial mechanisms that serve where the currency goes.

Most times money makes tools out of people. Because you are a tool for your boss, to get your boss to the nearest and most expensive yacht.
Metaphorically speaking. He does not care about you.

 

[birdsnestfern]

This will be about interpersonal things that don't work, and one is taking emotions or your self too seriously.
Everything changes constantly, and emotions are just temporary hormones pulsing through that are likely affected by how a cell was fed or wasn't fed micronutrients.

Make your mind into a receiver that reads things, but transforms things according to thoughtful willed results rather than trusting emotions or reactions. Don't trust emotions unless they actually are going to help motivate you to change something, otherwise, they are a waste of energy. For me, calm thought well reasoned thought motivates better than emotion.

Think of the mind as a square with four boxes. The lower two have 'receiver, sorter' (to filter information and categorize it in storage) and the upper two boxes have what you want to share transformed into better energy and what you actually communicate to others of that. The mud is useful if you transform it, but don't just think its you and you have no skill to change it. You might have to find tools to change things, change daily worldly poison of the unconscious into awareness medicine. Alchemy. But part of this is lightening up the mind, and dropping down into the center.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Money ultimately serves whatever we make it do. But money is like electricity.
It is the conduit that defines where the current goes.
It is the financial mechanisms that serve where the currency goes.

Also this is wrong. What I meant to say is that money is ultimately like electricity in conduit. Current goes where the conduit goes, and that is defined by consumer demand. Of course demand is defined by necessity of human biological and social need. That and everything that connects people. Like roads rail and boats mostly.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Ideas that don't work often involve a lot of expense and lack of knowledge about what a location wants or doesn't want.
A very large percentage of businesses fail because something isn't needed in a certain location.

The best ideas are 'service' related businesses where it doesn't take much equipment to earn money.
Masseuses can work from home and all they need is a $1000 custom massage table, Edgar Cayce Almond Oil, sheets, pleasant music and candles and massage school. Yard debris hauling just needs a truck and two people, a cleaning business needs someone with a lot of energy, and cleaning supplies. Baby sitting, dog sitting, tax preparing, reselling used items on ebay, etc.


But you wouldn't be smart to buy a surf shop on the East coast, since the waves are usually under two feet high and surfing is almost non - existent except maybe in Florida. Someone did that - went to the expense of buying and building a new large store and filling it with surf boards and equipment and it went out of business the same year, maybe the doors were open for one month. Pretty strange they didn't know we have no surf here.

Another strange phenomenon is - have you noticed if there is a business location where no matter what business moves in, it always fails? Its called a negative energy signature. Its like that location is jinxed.

I find that fascinating, that 'place' really makes a difference so its good to go in and feel the energy of a place before you open a business or rent a location for it. I've seen it happen - a lease will last less than a year before it closes down, and its not because it wasn't a good business, but something about the location doesn't flourish even if stores are all around it are bustling with business. There can be a long series of 20 different stores that fail while everything else surrounding it does fine. It probably means something negative historically happened in that location and that energy remains there.

 

[Hourglass]

fairytales
Magic


in theory these make us feel special, like “oh if we just imagine happiness then we’ll make it real”

Children are read fairytales and shown magic tricks so they can have a sense of wonder

“Imagination”

But then reality hits and those who so deeply believed in the fairy tales have nothing left to believe in

I suppose the fairytale matters too and the message

I think a family member one sent me a fairy tale that had the message that if one doesn’t sweep the floor they will not get money… which is plausible yet also improbable

Just a way to make kids think they have to work harder and not smarter

 

[birdsnestfern]

Silicone Ice Trays don't work especially the tiny ice versions.

This idea just does not work. Not only does the smell of silicone permeate the ice, but the trays won't lay flat and they curl. When you try to take the ice out, you will twist, push, pull, use tons of effort trying to get the tiny melting ice out and it ends up smelly ridiculously small pieces I wouldn't even want in a cocktail. I would never opt for silicone or a size this tiny again, its impossible to get the ice out and who wants ice that stinks.

The ones I like the most are tupperware half trays of regular sized ice that have small snap on lids. Those are good for the two or three lemons my tree makes so I can save lemon or lime juice for later, or just regular ice.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Maybe some people like this, but a watch that shocks you awake doesn't sound right.

from https://www.indiegogo.com/

This is a house made entirely of beach driftwood on a cliff: Kind of works!

 

[sushi]

a problem or evil is like a hole, a hole needs to be filled

filling that hole is an invention or opportunity.

 

[Hourglass]

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Removing this post because I accidentally double posted
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World peace, gosh, what a difficult thing to ask for

 

[Hourglass]

Problems are not evil. I’m not saying you are saying that necessarily however the word association makes me sense that those words are being put in the same boat or category

Some problems are evil, but it would be incorrect to associate problems with evils because they are apples and oranges, as not all problems are evil, some problems are just problems or they were influenced by several factors

Lots of evils are due to lack of human ethical or moral standards. So with that there are more opinions

Problems occur all the time in technology for example but if there is an IT problem for example and the internet isn’t working then IT is not evil, there is just a problem that should be resolved. Solving a problem isn’t always an invention or opportunity

Also, holes do not always need to be filled

Some holes should be holes and nothing needs to change

Some holes are infinite holes

Some holes grow and filling the hole is not the right thing to do

It depends on the hole.



Problems, inventions, opportunities, and holes are all completely different things



I get the gist of what you’re saying however, that things that can appear negative or not wanted at first could actually be something positive

 

[sushi]

well evil can be many things. it doesnt have to man made or man caused, just accidents or suffering.

Like cancer or diabetes

or man caused like addiction to drugs, that seems to have no solution.

or just walking up or down the stairs for an elderly or handicap person, which seems very hard.