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Red myst

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Surplus goods can be transported around to areas of the population that need them. This could be a mandatory system that isn't a trade; if one area has enough of everything they can distribute for a while before having to receive anything in return. As the focus here is about fairness and keeping sure there aren't any shortages anywhere people and technology will concentrate of making more efficient systems to complete this. As opposed to doing things that have many cons attached, but has a nice financial pro to influence the decision.

On an individual level this can still be applied. Why take what you don't need? Why withhold what you don't need?
We have the technology to give everybody the means to survive, but stuck in a mentality where nothing can be done without a price.



You said it, neither good or bad. It's merely a system that works very well for trading items with people who don't need what you have, as it's an assigned value universally applied. Sounds great? Problem is, it's a system that's easily manipulated, as with all systems. This one just happens to have one of the greatest impacts on peoples' lives and one of the most controlling things humankind has encountered. Money itself isn't bad, but when in the hands of easily corruptible individuals (humans) it isn't so good.

I mean to make trade redundant.
Yes it does have the greatest impact on people's lives. That is why it works so well. Who is to say what is fair? Who is to say what is surplus? Sure it would would be nice if everyone had equal goods and services. But what about equal effort?
I here this term thrown around about income inequity, spread the wealth. But I never here about spreading the labor, the effort, sharing the responsibility. That will never happen. Everyone wants to protest or vote themselves more money, but I never see people protesting for more work.
I think what would make the world a better place would be for individuals to learn to be self sufficient. When disaster strikes, of course we will help each other as many always do.
Sounds like you may be familiar with http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJaLFMf7IA
 

76254

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@76254, see.

I'm sorry, what do you mean?

Yes it does have the greatest impact on people's lives. That is why it works so well. Who is to say what is fair? Who is to say what is surplus? Sure it would would be nice if everyone had equal goods and services. But what about equal effort?
I here this term thrown around about income inequity, spread the wealth. But I never here about spreading the labor, the effort, sharing the responsibility. That will never happen. Everyone wants to protest or vote themselves more money, but I never see people protesting for more work.
I think what would make the world a better place would be for individuals to learn to be self sufficient. When disaster strikes, of course we will help each other as many always do.
Sounds like you may be familiar with http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJaLFMf7IA

I found that the TVP platform is practically indistinguishable from some of the propositions I've seen on RevLeft.
 

QuickTwist

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I'll just let it be.
 

76254

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Were you going to say that Kenya rampantly abuses foreign aid? I seriously might have overlooked that.
 

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Yes it does have the greatest impact on people's lives. That is why it works so well. Who is to say what is fair? Who is to say what is surplus? Sure it would would be nice if everyone had equal goods and services. But what about equal effort?
I here this term thrown around about income inequity, spread the wealth. But I never here about spreading the labor, the effort, sharing the responsibility. That will never happen. Everyone wants to protest or vote themselves more money, but I never see people protesting for more work.
I think what would make the world a better place would be for individuals to learn to be self sufficient. When disaster strikes, of course we will help each other as many always do.
Sounds like you may be familiar with http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJaLFMf7IA

An average of how much and what people consume could be taken to work out how much is needed. It won't be right for each individual case but there's so many things done this way at the moment and because it fits most peoples needs it wouldn't be complained about too much. This wouldn't be too difficult to come up with once getting past the initial disagreements. For lack of a better system.

As for the labour part, it would be like doing community service and I think most would be happy to do this once they know the benefits they'd get for participating. You'll also get the hyper pro active people and the inherently lazy take it all for granted.

Of course the biggest problem with all this is people having enough trust in such a massive change; people hate change. Until there's someone to actually take charge and try to implement this then you're right, it'll never happen.

I don't understand your point about self sufficiency, how will people learn that? Will people be taught it? It all hinges on this paradoxical situation though; everyone relies on money, so no one is self sufficient. Unless you mean self sufficient at obtaining money. So what of all the poor people who haven't any finances, or just make enough for ends meat? A lot of them likely don't have the opportunity, wealth or support to make anything better for themselves and are stuck in their rut.

What if the situation turned though and there was no money and financial security. Say like a survival of the fittest going on, who would be self sufficient then? I'd say to compare extremes that the poor would have a massive head start over the rich as they'v had all sorts of hardships and challenges to deal with as opposed to a carefree and easy life.

People should help each other regardless if there isn't a disaster; help teach and become wise.

I'v heard vaguely of the venus project but don't know any of the details about it. I'll give the link a watch when I get time.
 

marv

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Well sir, it is a truly subjective concept. For me it may be a anarchic society ruled by clowns, for you a world where we worship mice. In the end, a better world is what you wish it to be.

Not really.. Even though many aspects are indeed relative, many are not. Like a society is better than another one if the only difference between them is that the former has lower infant mortality rate. We can make absolute distinctions based on the foundings of our moral system.
 
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