Ideas for a Better World

[HsinHsin]

You see you say that, but I think Aristotle did a hell of a lot more than Plato. As someone once said:

I am not for Aristotle or Plato but I found this from http://www.celebritytypes.com:
C.G. Jung: "[Plato] is one of those who have come closest to the truth."

Why do you think Jung says something like that?

 

[HsinHsin]

Have you ever told a parent how they should parent?

EDIT: I guess not because your still alive.

I was lucky.

 

[Brontosaurie]

I am not for Aristotle or Plato but I found this from http://www.celebritytypes.com:
C.G. Jung: "[Plato] is one of those who have come closest to the truth."

Why do you think Jung says something like that?

Ni bias

he was way off base with that one though. take a look at "the state" and try to find even a crumb of truth among the arbitrary assumptions.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Probably because Plato's Cave, his world of ideas, is basically the same as Jungs own collective unconscious and archetypes.

Plato's "the state" lol, yeah. Still Plato deserves a lot of cred for taking one of the first big steps in the direction of finding the source of universals and uncovering just what they entail.

 

[NoID10ts]

"All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody 'til they're all the same color."

- Warren Beatty as Sen. Jay Billington Bulworth

 

[BigApplePi]

"All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody 'til they're all the same color."

Yeah but how will I tell the difference when the lights are on?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Utopian:

• Pills or some other invention that solves hunger+nutrition and can easily be mass produced.
• Neuro-cybernetic prosthetics & implants to cure loss of sensation and to replace limbs.
• Highly specialized client to client matchmaking services for relationships and occupations.
• Discontinue public trading / the stock market.
• Redraft geopolitical boundaries

Realistic:

• Increased restrictions on, and investigations of, political corruption(e.g. conflicts of interest, bribery donations, "revolving doors").
• Increased public awareness and involvement of local politics(city and state).
• Activity centers so people could legally consume psychoactive drugs under supervision. It could have safe rooms, dancefloors, relaxation areas etc.
• Smaller classrooms, educated teachers, higher pay for teachers.
• Body cameras for police to decrease corruption and false & inaccurate reports.

 

[RaBind]

A collaborative platform, where experts, can contribute to help causes and projects, in most if not any field. A sort of github for all fields of study and work. (Wonder if such a thing already exists)

How would those who write original papers, articles and stories be compensated for their work efforts? Unless they are compensated they will lose their motivation.

In the current system this is quite a difficult problem. However if a Basic Income were implemented, than there could be alternative systems set up to compensate the authors/creators for their efforts. Such as a donation system which allows fans to support their authors/creators, similar to what is available for youtube authors here http://www.patreon.com/. They could still opt to sell their books and other merchandise, as fans would continue to support the authors/creators, regardless of whether it is mandatory or not. I feel like Science&technology would still be underfunded in a system such as this though. Maybe if there was a tax for the use of anything, which Science&technology has made possible, that goes straight to funding research in Science&technology. Basically a move away from the current private business like system, where institutes get funding from their limited customers and provide services to only these customers, to a system open to all contributions for funding and providing services to a wider range of customers. I'm not really sure if the finances would work to make this happen, but it would definitely be possible to attempt if a basic income was in place. Alternatively if an RBE was implemented that these authors/creators would be cited and receive recognition for their contributions.

 

[gilliatt]

To stop the trend toward socialism and despotism is return to common sense. Reason and ideas determine the course of human affairs. More freedom and moral courage.

 

[Grayman]

To stop the trend toward socialism and despotism is return to common sense. Reason and ideas determine the course of human affairs. More freedom and moral courage.

Socialism and despotism do not coorelate. Socialism is based on more free structure.

 

[HsinHsin]

Teach philosophy to school children providing "qualified" teachers.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I honestly believe in a different more expensive education system. Teachers should be pros making more than twice of what they do now and everyone should learn basic critical thinking skills blabla.

 

[HsinHsin]

Pretend your partner is not married to you (if you are married).

 

[HsinHsin]

Do not force people to do what you think is best for them.

 

[BigApplePi]

Provide good leadership.

Tax the rich and arrogant.

 

[Valentas]

Create honest money system that you cannot inflate/deflate. Everything else would follow.

 

[Grayman]

Create honest money system that you cannot inflate/deflate. Everything else would follow.

Inflation to a finite degree is good for the economy. How would you do this anyways?

 

[BigApplePi]

Inflation to a finite degree is good for the economy. How would you do this anyways?

Finite inflation pays for economic growth without the visibility of taxes. Find honest people to manage this. Find me an honest man and ___________ I can't finish this sentence.

 

[pernoctator]

Abolish patents. Institute more Sudbury schools. Eliminate minimum dwelling size regulations. Give everyone fiber internet.

 

[Grayman]

Abolish patents. Institute more Sudbury schools. Eliminate minimum dwelling size regulations. Give everyone fiber internet.

If you abolish patents you abolish incentive to invest in innovation. So how would you replace incentive?

 

[pernoctator]

If you abolish patents you abolish incentive to invest in innovation.

I don't believe so.

 

[Grayman]

I don't believe so.

Company1 spends a million dollars on research and discovers xxxx. They start selling xxxx.
Company2 steals idea from company1 and can sell it cheaper because they don't have to make up for loss in research.

Company1 cannot sell at the cheaper rate because they already owe for the loss and the company flops.

Company3 researches and discovers, sells product
Company2 steals this one also and sells it cheaper.
Company3 flops


Repeat... No more innovation but company 2 and others like them are nice and rich.

 

[pernoctator]

^ That's the theory. In reality, the opposite happens -- patents stifle innovation and give unfair advantages.

 

[HsinHsin]

Stop brainwashing the others.

 

[BrainVessel]

Inject everyone with the mutated genes of Charles Xavier. We would not just hear what other people are feeling or thinking, but completely understand and feel ourselves, what they are feeling and thinking.
Cons: Pretty much 0 privacy. Also, Charles Xavier doesn't exist, but that's a minor problem.
Such an act would create world peace or complete chaos... So it would be a 50% chance of success but a 100% stupid thing to try unless humanity was past the point of no return.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Good old red die hard Communism!!!!!!

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Kill your parents, then kill yourself, or instead learn to think and know basic propositional calculus and logics, to avoid being fooled and to increase your possible freedom and the quality of this "world".

I won't tell you which is for the better world, make your choice with this exclusive-or statement.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Kill your parents, then kill yourself, or instead learn to think and know basic propositional calculus and logics, to avoid being fooled and to increase your possible freedom and the quality of this "world".

I won't tell you which is for the better world, make your choice with this exclusive-or statement.

Thats so tupid. U should first kill ur self and then ur parents. NO? I mean logic duh!

 

[Variform]

All women decide never to have more than one child.

 

[Pyropyro]

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Just don't let the INTJ's touch them okay?

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

MORE SARCASM!!

 

[gwilley2]

BigApplePi, I like the spoiler on that! I never thought about that. But now let's be serious here. If you really wanted a better world, don't give out any federal aid to anyone. Make them get off their lazy asses and do something. Even the paralyzed can do something, be it working on a computer all day or whatever requires little movement of the body (or none). Even children in my family help work in some way, be it helping to feed horses or cleaning around the house. And have third world countries join together to make one big country (this is actually personally for me, easier to remember). Have bigger countries like the United Kingdom and U.S. and what not go out and conquer countries and start colonies again, then if the people in those third world countries really wanted to have their own government they would have to have a revolution to get it back and make them really have to work together. Well that's my 2 cents worth (if you could understand my ramblin on)

 

[Hadoblado]

Spoiler

BigApplePi, I like the spoiler on that! I never thought about that. But now let's be serious here. If you really wanted a better world, don't give out any federal aid to anyone. Make them get off their lazy asses and do something. Even the paralyzed can do something, be it working on a computer all day or whatever requires little movement of the body (or none). Even children in my family help work in some way, be it helping to feed horses or cleaning around the house. And have third world countries join together to make one big country (this is actually personally for me, easier to remember). Have bigger countries like the United Kingdom and U.S. and what not go out and conquer countries and start colonies again, then if the people in those third world countries really wanted to have their own government they would have to have a revolution to get it back and make them really have to work together. Well that's my 2 cents worth (if you could understand my ramblin on)

BigApplePi is no longer with us.

 

[gwilley2]

BigApplePi is no longer with us.

Oh, well I see my 2 cents isn't worth shit then, LOL!

 

[Cavallier]

1. Easy to obtain and easy to administer birth control. Wait, we already have that. Okay, a global societal overhaul advising that birth control is the kind, good, and humane thing to do until you have reached that time in which you are financially and emotionally ready to have children. Remove all taboos surrounding not having children and fully educate everyone on what causes pregnancy and how the human body works.

2. Global overhaul of the beef industry. Get rid of all big lot beef ranches. Beef prices will skyrocket but so will the quality. Small boutique beef ranches will flourish. I feel this is also necessary for the pork industry and the chicken industry. Those with land will be allowed to raise whatever food animals they want. So you can have home raised chicken or pig if you want but the point is that meat isn't easily accessable.

3. Massively scale back the sugar industry. The sugar industry has ruined many beautiful and exotic places in the world and we really don't need any of the sugar we take in. Again, small boutique sugar business are fine and even encouraged but slash and burn techniques for sugar cain development will be outlawed.

 

[Grayman]

1. Easy to obtain and easy to administer birth control. Wait, we already have that. Okay, a global societal overhaul advising that birth control is the kind, good, and humane thing to do until you have reached that time in which you are financially and emotionally ready to have children. Remove all taboos surrounding not having children and fully educate everyone on what causes pregnancy and how the human body works.

2. Global overhaul of the beef industry. Get rid of all big lot beef ranches. Beef prices will skyrocket but so will the quality. Small boutique beef ranches will flourish. I feel this is also necessary for the pork industry and the chicken industry. Those with land will be allowed to raise whatever food animals they want. So you can have home raised chicken or pig if you want but the point is that meat isn't easily accessable.

1. Agree

2. What do we do about the imports of such products?

 

[gwilley2]

1. Easy to obtain and easy to administer birth control. Wait, we already have that. Okay, a global societal overhaul advising that birth control is the kind, good, and humane thing to do until you have reached that time in which you are financially and emotionally ready to have children. Remove all taboos surrounding not having children and fully educate everyone on what causes pregnancy and how the human body works.

2. Global overhaul of the beef industry. Get rid of all big lot beef ranches. Beef prices will skyrocket but so will the quality. Small boutique beef ranches will flourish. I feel this is also necessary for the pork industry and the chicken industry. Those with land will be allowed to raise whatever food animals they want. So you can have home raised chicken or pig if you want but the point is that meat isn't easily accessable.

3. Massively scale back the sugar industry. The sugar industry has ruined many beautiful and exotic places in the world and we really don't need any of the sugar we take in. Again, small boutique sugar business are fine and even encouraged but slash and burn techniques for sugar cain development will be outlawed.

May I ask why you don't want meat easily accessible? I have 2 theories. 1 you don't like the idea of buying your food from a place you aren't sure about with crap in it that you aren't sure if it's safe to eat. 2 (most unlikely) You are a vegetarian who is trying to enforce their way of life on everyone.

 

[Grayman]

May I ask why you don't want meat easily accessible? I have 2 theories. 1 you don't like the idea of buying your food from a place you aren't sure about with crap in it that you aren't sure if it's safe to eat. 2 (most unlikely) You are a vegetarian who is trying to enforce their way of life on everyone.

Considering that this is the Better World thread, I would assume she is trying to improve health, limit obesity, and rduce heart disease. I would say that 'grass fed beef only' would achieve all of this while still allowing more beef in the market.

Also considering the topic of this thread, I realize my question about imports is rather inapplicable. This is worldwide not countrywide.

 

[gwilley2]

Considering that this is the Better World thread, I would assume she is trying to improve health, limit obesity, and rduce heart disease. I would say that 'grass fed beef only' would achieve all of this while still allowing more beef in the market.

Also considering the topic of this thread, I realize my question about imports is rather inapplicable. This is worldwide not countrywide.

That would fit into my first theory, the "not knowing what is in it". Good, I don't like people that try to enforce their way of life onto others, no matter if I agree with it or not.

 

[Helvete]

Create honest money system that you cannot inflate/deflate. Everything else would follow.

Honest and money never seem to mingle very well, not very good friends.

If you abolish patents you abolish incentive to invest in innovation. So how would you replace incentive?

Well the incentive is money. Money is also the incentive for all business and the reason why people will lie and cheat to get ahead and enjoy their deliciously sweet bonuses.

Why not abolish money? It would take away motivations entirely backed by greed and shift the focus on the worlds well being and would increase people's life quality (and all other species) as a whole.

 

[Grayman]

Honest and money never seem to mingle very well, not very good friends.



Well the incentive is money. Money is also the incentive for all business and the reason why people will lie and cheat to get ahead and enjoy their deliciously sweet bonuses.

Why not abolish money? It would take away motivations entirely backed by greed and shift the focus on the worlds well being and would increase people's life quality (and all other species) as a whole.

Remove money and something will just replace it. The trading system is too complex anymore. Industry is to large and the quantity of single items so vast it needs an intermediary item to make the trade. I do enjoy the idea of the old days where you just traded a shovel you didn't need for some food the other guy had extra of. It simply isnt possible today.

 

[Cavallier]

May I ask why you don't want meat easily accessible? I have 2 theories. 1 you don't like the idea of buying your food from a place you aren't sure about with crap in it that you aren't sure if it's safe to eat. 2 (most unlikely) You are a vegetarian who is trying to enforce their way of life on everyone.

I could see why you might leap to those conclusions but you would be wrong on both accounts.

I love me some tasty meat. I have a fantastic recipe for beef heart should you ever desire such a thing. It really does have this fantastic texture and beefy flavor to it if done correctly.

I know how the cattle industry works. I've worked in the cattle industry. We feed the cattle things they were never meant to eat much of. We keep them penned in to close to one another and have to pump them full of antibiotics to make keep them from getting sick. Even with the horrified knowledge of some one who has seen the way we raise cattle I can say easily that's not my biggest reason to reduce the cattle industry.

Cows taste better from small ranches. They get a wide variety of food and they are butchered when they are ready to be eaten instead of butchered when they can be butchered for the best price.

Cows fart a lot which is also a problem and eat a lot. It takes a lot of land to feed one cow be it in corn, hay, alfalfa, or actual grazing. The beef industry is imploding as is the pork and chicken industry. I should know. It's not a sustainable system. It needs an overhaul. The meat simply tastes better fresh and from a local producer who fed them something other than corn and hay.

 

[Red myst]

Honest and money never seem to mingle very well, not very good friends.



Well the incentive is money. Money is also the incentive for all business and the reason why people will lie and cheat to get ahead and enjoy their deliciously sweet bonuses.

Why not abolish money? It would take away motivations entirely backed by greed and shift the focus on the worlds well being and would increase people's life quality (and all other species) as a whole.

If you take away money, what will we trade with? It seems to me that money is a universal good thing. You can trade your time and labor for money, and you take some of that money any buy what you need with it. You save some of it for a rainy day when you cannot trade your labor for things you need. Actually money is neither good or bad. It is simply the means by which men trade. Or do you wish to eliminate trade. Because that is all that is happening. Trading money for things. Personally I think money has elimated a lot of chaos in this world and allowed society to advance and flourish. Some corrupt people misuse money, but money is not corrupt and it is not the root if all evil as some would have you believe. If I had to chose I would say that money is the greatest good. Cain did not kill Abel over money. Treachery and dishonesty were around long before money came on the scene.

 

[Cavallier]

2. What do we do about the imports of such products?

Hmmm...Well, holding the industry to a much higher standard which in a lot of ways would necessitate smaller ranches would drive up the cost of meat. A steak would become a luxury item I suppose. I'm not sure there is a way around that.

 

[QuickTwist]

Force everyone in the world to try a powerful hallucinogenic at least once in their life. Then rebuild them from the bottom up.

 

[76254]

Gradually phase out foreign aid to poor countries so they can build their own economies. I understand Kenya has pretty optimistic development prospects, thanks to their capitalist system.

 

[gwilley2]

I could see why you might leap to those conclusions but you would be wrong on both accounts.

I love me some tasty meat. I have a fantastic recipe for beef heart should you ever desire such a thing. It really does have this fantastic texture and beefy flavor to it if done correctly.

I know how the cattle industry works. I've worked in the cattle industry. We feed the cattle things they were never meant to eat much of. We keep them penned in to close to one another and have to pump them full of antibiotics to make keep them from getting sick. Even with the horrified knowledge of some one who has seen the way we raise cattle I can say easily that's not my biggest reason to reduce the cattle industry.

Cows taste better from small ranches. They get a wide variety of food and they are butchered when they are ready to be eaten instead of butchered when they can be butchered for the best price.

Cows fart a lot which is also a problem and eat a lot. It takes a lot of land to feed one cow be it in corn, hay, alfalfa, or actual grazing. The beef industry is imploding as is the pork and chicken industry. I should know. It's not a sustainable system. It needs an overhaul. The meat simply tastes better fresh and from a local producer who fed them something other than corn and hay.

Interesting, I work with cattle as well. I am not into the sillage that some people like my uncle feed them. And I also have an idea for all of them cow farts. Find away to contain then and then have it burned for heat in a building. Endless supply of natural gas. And I prefer the taste of cow nuts roasting over the branding iron heater.

 

[gilliatt]

First, free enterprise, lower all taxes, take off all controls, de-control, stop supporting your own destroyer, withdraw your support, they set the rules of the game, you cannot win. Return to the Law of Identity, you cannot escape A is A. You cannot live the irrational, its impossible. We have to stay in step with natural laws, reality. You cannot defy reality, I can't, a country can't, the earth can't. You have to obey nature, the universals, the metaphysical givens. Just look out in the universe, can't you remember the truth, E=Mc/2. We are a part of those things. In sum: Reason, Self-Interest, Objective Reality, Capitalism.....laissez-faire capitalism and all its fundamental principles. 'We are radicals for capitalism; we are fighting for that philosophical base which capitalism never had & that is the reason it perished.

 

[Helvete]

Remove money and something will just replace it. The trading system is too complex anymore. Industry is to large and the quantity of single items so vast it needs an intermediary item to make the trade. I do enjoy the idea of the old days where you just traded a shovel you didn't need for some food the other guy had extra of. It simply isnt possible today.

Surplus goods can be transported around to areas of the population that need them. This could be a mandatory system that isn't a trade; if one area has enough of everything they can distribute for a while before having to receive anything in return. As the focus here is about fairness and keeping sure there aren't any shortages anywhere people and technology will concentrate of making more efficient systems to complete this. As opposed to doing things that have many cons attached, but has a nice financial pro to influence the decision.

On an individual level this can still be applied. Why take what you don't need? Why withhold what you don't need?
We have the technology to give everybody the means to survive, but stuck in a mentality where nothing can be done without a price.

If you take away money, what will we trade with? It seems to me that money is a universal good thing. You can trade your time and labor for money, and you take some of that money any buy what you need with it. You save some of it for a rainy day when you cannot trade your labor for things you need. Actually money is neither good or bad. It is simply the means by which men trade. Or do you wish to eliminate trade. Because that is all that is happening. Trading money for things. Personally I think money has elimated a lot of chaos in this world and allowed society to advance and flourish. Some corrupt people misuse money, but money is not corrupt and it is not the root if all evil as some would have you believe. If I had to chose I would say that money is the greatest good. Cain did not kill Abel over money. Treachery and dishonesty were around long before money came on the scene.

You said it, neither good or bad. It's merely a system that works very well for trading items with people who don't need what you have, as it's an assigned value universally applied. Sounds great? Problem is, it's a system that's easily manipulated, as with all systems. This one just happens to have one of the greatest impacts on peoples' lives and one of the most controlling things humankind has encountered. Money itself isn't bad, but when in the hands of easily corruptible individuals (humans) it isn't so good.

I mean to make trade redundant.

 

[QuickTwist]

@76254, see.