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Right, there's bound to be some people coming in and telling me this is a bad idea. Don't. Please, you'll only be wasting your own time and I won't take any notice. Either way the question is in the title, how do I sabotage this relationship, they are becoming good friends, and they seem to be very close, I have to stop them going out and am prepared for whatever it takes. Any ideas?

And she's a horrible person, I'm not doing it out of pure jealousy. Message me or reply if you have any good ideas. Thank you.

Also, if this isn't a good message board to ask this kind of thing on, could you point me to one that is?
 

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Why do you think she is a bad person. If she is I agree with you but you must give a clear argument as to why.
 

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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

Also, if this isn't a good message board to ask this kind of thing on, could you point me to one that is?

This isn't a good place to ask that (although we do love challenges, this isn't one barring more specifics).

As it stands right now, with what you have offered by way of explanation of the reasons why this relationship needs to be broken up, this just seems rather dickheaded.
 

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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

So let me get this straight. You, whom we do not know, asks us to assist in destroying a perfectly normal relationship for no good reason.

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What the fuck is wrong with you. What in the name of everything do you think is this? Just what is going on in your head that you thought this would be a good idea? What the fuck, man. We're not doing this. This is a happy place. We don't even have an emoticon to express sadness.



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I have to stop them going out and am prepared for whatever it takes.

If this is the case, then I think your only option is rather clear: you must quite literally eliminate her*

*This is not my official legal advice
 

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I'm going to have to disagree with everyone else. There are probably plenty of relationships that shouldn't happen. The OP may be saving them both a lot of trouble or just making the world a better place by keeping them apart. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. So here's my idea:

A fast way to make girls not like guys is to humiliate or embarrass the guy in some way. Once she can't respect him or sees him as in some way inferior she'll completely lose romantic interest. It may have a domino effect to where other girls don't like him either. Don't take it too far though, you don't want to end up with her sympathizing with him and you or someone else looking like the dick.

Post or send me the results if it has a funny ending. If you manage to make someone cry you can just keep it to yourself.
 

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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

U should be specific. How old are they? why do you wana do this?
 

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I'm going to have to disagree with everyone else. There are probably plenty of relationships that shouldn't happen. The OP may be saving them both a lot of trouble or just making the world a better place by keeping them apart. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

So because this relationship MIGHT not be in their best interest and he MAY be saving them a lot of trouble, he should cause them both harm? Who is he to say that this relationship shouldn't happen? He could have no idea what he's talking about - he could be completely misinformed or only be seeing part of the picture. There's a million different variables here, and I don't think there's any way for him to know that this won't work out well for them (he probably only knows it won't work out well for him).

The best way to handle this would be to talk to the guy and explain to him the reasons why this is not in his best interest. He may not listen, but then you have done your job and informed him of the danger and now it is his choice to do what he wants. But in the end it is up to him what he wants to do for himself.

I don't think you would want people making your decisions for you either.
 

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Well, if you want to take this seriously, you're completely right Ska. I'm mainly figuring that he won't actually go through with it, and if he does it won't actually work. Plus it's amusing to speculate on such things. Like thinking about how to rob a bank or overthrow the government, even though I wouldn't really recommend someone go through with it.

In all seriousness though, you really probably are a huge, colossal dick to meddle in other people's affairs like this. I personally hate it when people do this kind of stuff to me, in fact such things have probably left me with lasting psychological torment, hence my previous suggestion.

So sorry, I mainly meant the quoted paragraph to be tongue in cheek, but I really don't have an issue with contributing ideas either.
 

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Ya , it sounds like you have schizoid personality disoerder or antisocial personality disorder and you dont have any feelings for the people in the situation. How do we know that its you thats not the horrible person?:confused::mad:
 

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Acquire weapons of mass destruction.
Use weapons of mass destruction in the general area of said girl.
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Profit.


Also, if this isn't a good message board to ask this kind of thing on, could you point me to one that is?
Kindly follow me into this inconspicuous chamber, there's a dear, and don't be afraid if your memories start to falter; that's a normal side effect of the process. Now I'm going to walk you out of here and remove your blindfold, and...no, don't look back...that's right, look straight ahead, just keep walking...



 

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Maybe seduce her, make a recording of the act, and show it to your friend? That way, you can sabotage two relationships with one stone.
 

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blah blah blah, what an asshole, blah blah blah.

i'm sick of seeing this kind of shit everywhere. i wish the entire world would grow the fuck up.


*disclaimer: my statement still stands in the case of trolling.
 

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Right, there's bound to be some people coming in and telling me this is a bad idea. Don't. Please, you'll only be wasting your own time and I won't take any notice. Either way the question is in the title, how do I sabotage this relationship, they are becoming good friends, and they seem to be very close, I have to stop them going out and am prepared for whatever it takes. Any ideas?

And she's a horrible person, I'm not doing it out of pure jealousy. Message me or reply if you have any good ideas. Thank you.

Also, if this isn't a good message board to ask this kind of thing on, could you point me to one that is?
Stab her until the bright red blood stops coming out.

But in all seriousness, I would simply point out the flaws she has to the guy and then have sex with him, if I were a chick or gay. I'd probably actually be the guy. In this case, then, I'd do both of the chicks. Unless one of them is fat. No fatties.
 

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H.W.A.- Home Wreckers association. They're everywhere, just go to your local nightclub and "cruise" around. They'll help you much more than we will.
 

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I have to stop them going out and am prepared for whatever it takes. Any ideas?
Become a Wiccan.
 

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write a note that is seemingly from someone one of the people hates...like a love letter from another person. or hire someone to do it
 

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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

It has been suggested that no relationship can survive absolute honesty, so you need to find a way to make one or both participants unable to lie. Perhaps try a truth serum.

But seriously, wtf? And ya know, some people happen to be attracted to 'horrible' people. Perhaps they get what they want after all. But then, I can imagine extreme scenarios where what you're trying to do might actually be necessary to, for example, save someone's life. In that case it might actually make sense.
 

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Sabotage a relationship? Are you fucking serious? Get out of here you idiot..
Let people make their own choices.
Sure if the relationship really IS bound to be a disaster. You could save them alot of time. But you shouldn't. They should find out themselves. Please! For the love of whatever fucking god you believe in. Let people make their own paths.

(And the cursing is necessary)

God I hate people like you.
 

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Nice of you to try to give everyone something to think about, but i agree, its pretty messed up. I know if someone tried to interfere with my girl and I, even if they didnt succeed, i would whack said person in the forehead, with a wood splitting maul.:beatyou:

Like everyone said though, you should give us more insight into your reasons. I find it hard to tell if you were asking because you were serious or if you just thought it would be an interesting thread, but i still want to hear what could be so bad about a couple that you want it over with before it starts LOL, whether your reasons are objective or not.
 

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This kid hasn't been around in three days, I doubt he's going to come back to this thread.
 

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:confused: I'm almost certain I posted a comment involving a face-palm picture behind a spoiler tag but now it's gone.

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Right, there's bound to be some people coming in and telling me this is a bad idea. Don't. Please, you'll only be wasting your own time and I won't take any notice. Either way the question is in the title, how do I sabotage this relationship, they are becoming good friends, and they seem to be very close, I have to stop them going out and am prepared for whatever it takes. Any ideas?

And she's a horrible person, I'm not doing it out of pure jealousy. Message me or reply if you have any good ideas. Thank you.

Also, if this isn't a good message board to ask this kind of thing on, could you point me to one that is?

Wait, I just caught this, you're a girl? If you're attractive and he's like 90% of men out there, you just have to start flirting. If he's a bit drunk it should help things along; and end the night with sex, presuming you're not like 16 or something... then this is bad advice, don't do it! I'm giving this advice as if you were 21, or something. But now that I read your post, you do sound like you're 16. *sigh*

A desperate 16 year old trying to stop the "love of her life" from making the biggest mistake of "his life" because obviously, you know him so well. Obviously, you're the one for him... Or maybe you're an over-protective friend who thinks she can solve everyone's problems before they happen... Or maybe you just really hate this girl and need some revenge (which I would respect the most out of all of these.)

If she's a horrible person and he's a great guy, it's going to end anyway. Let it happen and your naive guy will learn his lesson. Or could it be... you're wrong? :eek: and that's why you had to seek advice to end it.
 

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This isn't the place to ask this question. Perhaps googling"pua boyfriend killers" will help you out.
 

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There are many reasons for an evolved, potent human to wish to sabotage a relationship.

Of course, the OP of this thread seems to wish to do so as a result of fairly normal, low-scale desires. And the implicit moralities of most replies to her have dealt in the same little-person currency.

But, consider that interpersonal ties are essential to the maintenance of societal structures, and that the ability to deliberately and precisely break or alter these ties confers, necessarily, a greater ability to deliberately manipulate societal structures generally. Thus, anybody interested in altering the way that humans around them operate in accordance with a vision, or anybody who simply likes playing with and rearranging the building blocks of the human institutions their lives are immersed in or subject to, or anybody who is interested in causing deliberate social change in service of whatever motive they may happen to have (and these could be infinite, and beyond our conception) will, if they have the potential to be effective, find value in this topic.

Further, the emotional intensity involved with this kind of situation, and its pertinence to the identities and self-understanding of participants, is a useful tool in effecting deliberate changes to individuals. The potential/current partner need not be disliked by the person doing the sabotaging, but their emotional significance to the individual of import is valuable. They can be drawn into a Dionysian, living drama which tests, alters and thus, potentially, strengthens the individual concerned. One gains, one loses. This is life, and its danger, made conscious for the purpose of elevating an individual beyond his current limits. In short: sabotaging a relationship can form part of a very potent initiatory method, ultimately aimed towards giving the individual involved the opportunity to live more intensely and numinously and, perhaps, attain wisdom and strength through adversity.

In other words: anybody important (which I mean without any shade of moral evaluation, and in terms of sheer potency to be important to other people en mass) will find this topic important. Those raging against the OP are essentially modern serfs, and are likely devoid of the artistic vision necessary to conceive of the many forms of living art which sabotaging the bond between two people might be a necessary part of.


For those who like to play, though, and who need no little-justification for such, I will relate my practically oriented thoughts on this matter. The most likely problem, for most reading this, is that you are little. A person of psychic magnitude, who understands how to create worlds within worlds-- that is, who understands how to bend and morph reality around himself-- typically understands the necessary steps on a visceral level.

The next issue is that the OP is asking for a generic formula. While describing likely methods might be of some, limited relevancy, in almost all cases it will be much more effective to have an empathetic understanding of the unwilling characters in your contrived, living drama. This empathy will reveal to you what aspects of their psyche can be deliberately used as leverage, and how this would best be done.

Thus, it is almost impossible to provide further high-quality advice until more details about this specific situation, and its participants, are known. And even then, the very asking indicates a high likelihood that natural ability and direct, immovable understanding of what is necessary is absent. If this is the case, it cannot be remedied via the medium we are using (a forum topic), and possibly not by any other medium either. The inherent potency, and perceptiveness, necessary is simply absent.

To those who do have this potency, the most useful advice, I think, is to experience and experiment for yourself, and thereby understand on a practical and experiential level. But... most to whom that advice applies don't need to be given it.

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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

Lyra, seems like you have some experience manipulating social environments. Would be really interesting if you'd post a thread containing some of your personal experiences on the matter.
 

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I'll think about that. There's a possibility that I will.

There is a very pertinent practical example immediately available to you, though: do you remember when intpforum was closed to registrations for months? That was primarily because of my attempts to manipulate it. You can find a list of the accounts I used in the thread 'Our Divine Destiny'.

That was a formative experience. I was much more juvenile, and, generally, less refined back then. It was quite a haphazard affair, and I now consider myself as having been incompetent in many respects at that time (not inherently, but because of the instability and vitriol inherent to the early stages of the development of this type of understanding).

But it's an interesting practical example.
 

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I'm going to have to disagree with everyone else. There are probably plenty of relationships that shouldn't happen. The OP may be saving them both a lot of trouble
I do agree that some relationships should not happen too but I also think that from my years of life and observing life experiences say that happy people get with happy people and dysfunctional people get with other dysfunctional people... Meaning, even if they break up and never see eachother again they will probably have this same kind of messed up relationship with somebody else. So just pray that they'll learn quick.
 

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I'll think about that.

I know, and I remember. I also remember you reaching some sort of revelation when you realized how much you could manipulate your immediate social environment by changing your own perception of self, and in turn, the manner in which you behaved and portrayed your "self" to others - I think it was related to girls - which perhaps was your starting point regarding this kind of experimentation. Anyways, thats why I asked you.
Yes, what you mentioned is a practical example, but I'm much more interested in a practical example related to a real environment, as I presume manipulating a forum such as this would be way easier then manipulating the real world in the same manner... especially for someone as intelligent as yourself - you should have no problems doing this using words only... Body language though, is way harder to master then the art of words.. words constitute a very small portion in real life. Here it's everything.
For me, and with everyone else, my self is less in what I say (as far as a self can be portrayed), and more in the way I carry myself. So it is with people observing me as well. I find it easier to manipulate with words, and harder to manipulate using everything not relating to words.

Edit: sorry for my somewhat clumsy reply. I had too much to drink.
 

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After reading through Lyra's interesting thoughts (which i would quote more specifically but i honestly dont know how since i dont post often and dont care because i dont plan to :D) I have changed my opinion about thr original topic in this thread, but only slightly. It is still wrong to intentionally meddle in other peoples relationships, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to form a relationship.

I provide my own personal experience to depict a more interesting way to go about this. Years ago on World of Warcraft i had a small guild (if anyone is not sure what any of this is, it wont matter, it has little to do with the story) i had made with a friend for fun. Anyway, my friend had invited this girl to our guild who i talked to every now and then, helped with quests or answered any questions shie had etc. but slowly built a friendship based on us both playing the guitar and just generally being miserable people. Anyway we eventually started talking more of our personal lives, she told me about her boyfriend, which i had known she had a boyfriend since i met her and for the obvious reason she lives a good distance from where i do, so i never saw her as much more than a friend. Eventually after hearing so much about her boyfriend and how bad the relationship really was i eventually came to the conclusion that he was an INTJ, from her descriptions of his actions and general temperment, and the fact i have a lot of.. not so desired, yet intelectually rewarding... hands on experience with an INTJ. I eventually had taught her some basics of the MBTI and tried to explain some of his actions, what they might really mean despite the lack of affection he showed, since INTJs most prefered extroverted function is Te. My arguement came mostly down to that, he really is an asshole.. but it doesnt mean he doesnt love you.

This went on for a few months, with us talking for extended amounts of time, even exchanging phone numbers so we could keep up with each other when she was at school through texting. The relationship never really got past the friendship point despite being fairly intimate. Eventually he actually broke up with her, she moved out of his house and back to her parents, called me that day and basically told me that she didnt want to be without me, i had grown to care about her a lot, and i honestly didnt know if i could deal with going without her, she has probably helped me personally develop and forced me to come to realizations about everyday life more than any person i have ever met. So i told her i would, we had talked for about a year or so all together before we actually met, i have been with her now for about a year and a half since then.

All this being said, its really not so bad to meddle, as long as you have good intentions. I reccomend either waiting for the relationship to fail, which despite my knowledge of statistics, it is the most likely outcome. Or just be really caring and supportive of him and the relationship and hope for the best.

Another thought.. i tend to tell a lot of stories in my posts, it is probably deceptively sensory of me :rolleyes:

But dont you go thinkin crazy thoughts about that :beatyou:
 
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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

Yes kantor, I agree that there's a very significant difference.

The offline examples are more interesting. I wouldn't say I find that context harder, though. Perhaps that's typological: for me, creating a world is no harder in person, on an individual scale. The purely symbolic nature of online environments removes the primal vibrancy and 3-dimensional sensory immersion (such as when I bring a person into my home, or in ritual) which make other contexts more flexible. Speed of change, in particular, is easier to achieve when present in the flesh.

Traditionally.

So: yes, I see the value of the thread you asked for.
 

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Re: I want to sabatoge a relationship..

Being the pragmatist that I am I have simple solution.

Tell the subject that the person is a bitch and because of this property the subject should divert the alloted attention to you.

This would result in successful meddling.
 

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Generally attempts to mess up other people's lives backfire. Assuming you care about the person about to enter into a relationship with someone you regard as unacceptable, why don't you drop the behind-the-scenes machinations and just tell the person you like why you find the woman in question to be unacceptable. Presumably you have a list of facts rather than just an emotional outrage?

But you really can't expect us to use our superpowers on behalf of evil. Our hearts are pure. :D
 

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why don't you drop the behind-the-scenes machinations and just tell the person you like why you find the woman in question to be unacceptable.
Because that's damn boring, obviously. It does not have any of the subtleties that make life amazing.

I mean... I wouldn't support someone breaking a relationship, but if he's going to do it anyway, might as well do it in the most subtle, quiet way, right? That makes it far more interesting.
 

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Go to INTJ forum, we don't have feelings :)

Either reveal her evilness, or start a rumor that she's secretly a whoe, or make him fall for you! :D
 
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