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Two is the only even prime, four is a square, and also unlucky, six is all devilish and cool, eight is another cube.

Actually, six is awesome. 1+2+3 as well as 1x2x3
 

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Two is the only even prime

All primes are odd is almost true. Consider picking a prime at random. What are the odds you will get an odd prime? Almost certain. Right? I've forgotten how to phrase this to make it more interesting. Maybe there wasn't any way.

Actually, six is awesome. 1+2+3 as well as 1x2x3
Four is awesome two. 2+2 as well as 2*2.
 
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26 is interesting because it is exactly in between a square and a cube. It may be the only number like that but I haven't tried a proof.
Tough problem. Finding numbers like that is actually a problem about elliptic curves, which have a lot of deep mathematics surrounding them. These are elliptic curves because you can write them in the form y^2=x^3+ax+b:
y^2=x^3+2
y^2=x^3-2
(the second one is what applies in this example but the first one also fits your description.)
So an approach using the theory of elliptic curves might help. One thing that appears to help from the Wikipedia article is a theorem that says that there are only finitely many solutions.

I did a straightforward numerical method, just setting a number equal to sqrt(x^3+2) and putting out x and that square root if the result was an integer, and amazingly there are no solutions other than this one for x<100,000, but a lot for 100,000 < x < 1,000,000: 517 (counting the first one), in fact. Going up to 10,000,000 there are 2696 solutions (counting the first one). So 26 is pretty special until numbers get massive (x>100,000 means that the first number of interest is in the quadrillions (!)).

The other one (where the cube is the smaller number) has no solutions for x<100,000 but has a pretty fair number once we get above that (comparable to the previous one actually).
 

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Tough problem. Finding numbers like that is actually a problem about elliptic curves, which have a lot of deep mathematics surrounding them. These are elliptic curves because you can write them in the form y^2=x^3+ax+b:
y^2=x^3+2
y^2=x^3-2
(the second one is what applies in this example but the first one also fits your description.)
So an approach using the theory of elliptic curves might help. One thing that appears to help from the Wikipedia article is a theorem that says that there are only finitely many solutions.

I did a straightforward numerical method, just setting a number equal to sqrt(x^3+2) and putting out x and that square root if the result was an integer, and amazingly there are no solutions other than this one for x<100,000, but a lot for 100,000 < x < 1,000,000: 517 (counting the first one), in fact. Going up to 10,000,000 there are 2696 solutions (counting the first one). So 26 is pretty special until numbers get massive (x>100,000 means that the first number of interest is in the quadrillions (!)).

The other one (where the cube is the smaller number) has no solutions for x<100,000 but has a pretty fair number once we get above that (comparable to the previous one actually).

Latro. Good work, but I have a question. A long time ago I read that 5 squared + 2 = 3 cubed was the ONLY such solution. Did I read you right that there are many solutions above 100,000? If so, either my memory is wrong or the author I read was wrong. Note I spoke of it here: Re: 2
 

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Latro. Good work, but I have a question. A long time ago I read that 5 squared + 2 = 3 cubed was the ONLY such solution. Did I read you right that there are many solutions above 100,000? If so, either my memory is wrong or the author I read was wrong. Note I spoke of it here: Re: 2
Hmm...I went to verify my second solution and I got a strange result. All of my other solutions seem to give me 0 (not 2) when I go to take the difference. This is quite odd. My code looks like this:
def diophantine(n):
for x in range(2,n):​
t = (x**3-2)**.5​
if t == int(t): print(str(t)+'squared='+str(x)+'cubed-2')​
if __name__ == '__main__':
diophantine(int(input('n=')))​
For n=300,000 the output is (there's a lot of numbers, be warned):
5.0squared=3cubed-2
95443993.0squared=208849cubed-2
96702579.0squared=210681cubed-2
97972181.0squared=212521cubed-2
99252847.0squared=214369cubed-2
100544625.0squared=216225cubed-2
101847563.0squared=218089cubed-2
103161709.0squared=219961cubed-2
104487111.0squared=221841cubed-2
105823817.0squared=223729cubed-2
107171875.0squared=225625cubed-2
108531333.0squared=227529cubed-2
109902239.0squared=229441cubed-2
111284641.0squared=231361cubed-2
112678587.0squared=233289cubed-2
114084125.0squared=235225cubed-2
115501303.0squared=237169cubed-2
116930169.0squared=239121cubed-2
118370771.0squared=241081cubed-2
119823157.0squared=243049cubed-2
121287375.0squared=245025cubed-2
122763473.0squared=247009cubed-2
124251499.0squared=249001cubed-2
125751501.0squared=251001cubed-2
127263527.0squared=253009cubed-2
128787625.0squared=255025cubed-2
130323843.0squared=257049cubed-2
131872229.0squared=259081cubed-2
133432831.0squared=261121cubed-2
134217728.0squared=262144cubed-2
135005697.0squared=263169cubed-2
135796744.0squared=264196cubed-2
136590875.0squared=265225cubed-2
137388096.0squared=266256cubed-2
138188413.0squared=267289cubed-2
138991832.0squared=268324cubed-2
139798359.0squared=269361cubed-2
140608000.0squared=270400cubed-2
141420761.0squared=271441cubed-2
142236648.0squared=272484cubed-2
143055667.0squared=273529cubed-2
143877824.0squared=274576cubed-2
144703125.0squared=275625cubed-2
145531576.0squared=276676cubed-2
146363183.0squared=277729cubed-2
147197952.0squared=278784cubed-2
148035889.0squared=279841cubed-2
148877000.0squared=280900cubed-2
149721291.0squared=281961cubed-2
150568768.0squared=283024cubed-2
151419437.0squared=284089cubed-2
152273304.0squared=285156cubed-2
153130375.0squared=286225cubed-2
153990656.0squared=287296cubed-2
154854153.0squared=288369cubed-2
155720872.0squared=289444cubed-2
156590819.0squared=290521cubed-2
157464000.0squared=291600cubed-2
158340421.0squared=292681cubed-2
159220088.0squared=293764cubed-2
160103007.0squared=294849cubed-2
160989184.0squared=295936cubed-2
161878625.0squared=297025cubed-2
162771336.0squared=298116cubed-2
163667323.0squared=299209cubed-2
And yet when I go to verify the solutions after the first one I don't have equality, but rather I just have t^2=x^3. What's going on? Seems like Python gets confused about equality and thinks that when x is a large square that sqrt(x-2) is an integer as well as sqrt(x). And indeed, that's exactly what happens:
math.sqrt(10**24-2) == int(math.sqrt(10**24-2))
returns True, not False. (And I know this is wrong because 10**24 is a square and the spacings of squares that are that large are much larger than 2.)

Damn. Floating point error sucks. :( So yeah I think you're probably right.
 

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Maths is like a puzzle except it can be very cute. You don't like puzzles? Maybe we hate all the rules to learn but puzzles are artificial -- made by man. There is something about describing the natural world -- can't put my finger on it --

English is like puzzles -- made by man. English has no rules. Maths is forever.

I guess the puzzles in English fascinate me more than the rigid rules that are applied to Maths.
 

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Some of you might be outraged by this, but I'm no good at maths either, despite my name. I used to love math and excel at it when I was young, but at some point I stopped caring about school.

I am kind of fond of it, though. I kinda wish I knew more, and I suppose I am planning on learning some, I just have to finish all my other project first....
 

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I first learned to reason solving problems in plane geometry. Later math taught me logic. Can you prove the square root of two can't be a fraction? It can't be. You don't care? Okay!

Topology is wonderful. Can you imagine trying to prove every closed curve (some technical definition of closed) in a plane has an inside and an outside? I've never seen the proof of this intuitively obvious theorem.

Anyway here is a problem for you. It's not particularly a problem in math, but one for psychology. 23 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 23 has a sum. Divide the sum by 5. What is the answer? Now explain.

Oh dear god. The Jordan Curve theorem.

Oh dear god.
 

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I wouldn't say that I suck, but I'm not great at all.
But I hate Math, I really, really hate it.
My guess is people hate math because they have never been introduced to playing with it. Instead school larning has forced kids to learn boring rules against their will. If one misses one day of learning it's likely to set one behind and from there on in things can get worse and worse.

If nothing succeeds like success, nothing fails like failure and that's what happens. One of the reasons after math, I took to psychology and philosophy is I never had a class in either one I'll bet. My mind was free to roam -- and freedom is an enormous value when it comes to thinking for an INTP -- don't you think?
 

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My guess is people hate math because they have never been introduced to playing with it. Instead school larning has forced kids to learn boring rules against their will. If one misses one day of learning it's likely to set one behind and from there on in things can get worse and worse.

I am surprised so many people bash math here. Its pure ignorance I think, but thanks to our teachers at school - you're right BigApplePi. Actualy I think people should be tought more math and logic at school, but slowly and the right way - not memorizing but rather learning by heart.
 

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Some of the stuff that I am doing is 7/15x=756 x=?
We have never actually done that problem and I only wrote that one becuase I do not know how to make exponents and other math "symbols".
 

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I find programming a lot more enjoyable than algebra or geometry.

I'm more interested in finding the possibilities then the answers. That's probably why I find math so aggravating.
 

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I find programming a lot more enjoyable than algebra or geometry.

I'm more interested in finding the possibilities then the answers. That's probably why I find math so aggravating.
Advanced math is just the other way around, frankly.
 

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I find programming a lot more enjoyable than algebra or geometry.

I'm more interested in finding the possibilities then the answers. That's probably why I find math so aggravating.
Practical math such as engineers and statistical people use requires and provides answers. "Pure mathematics" is different. It is the exploration of patterns, possibilities and the unknown. We don't know what is true, what can be put together in a pattern. Things are suspected and the idea is to prove them true or false or pull them together in a new structure. We just don't know. Graduate math is required (for new stuff but there is plenty of known stuff) unless you happen to be a genius and I don't think there are any more of those:

It's a little hard to hear so turn up the volume. Note the diagram on the blackboard near the end.
YouTube- Good Will Hunting Scene (Math Problem)
 
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Throw me into the group of "Good at math but couldn't learn after a while due to ineffective teaching and apathy".

I was always good at math, in primary I'd be close to the best and then in High School I'd be in the top 5 or so, but as time progressed I got less and less interested in repetitive work. Drawing margins in red pen. Not using black pen. Not using the wrong formulas. Showing working, etc. They couldn't have made it less appealing if they tried. I remember missing a few weeks and falling behind, then missing a whole year and being dropped from Level 1 to Level 3. The teacher would ring my Dad and begin to cry because she felt like she was letting me down. I asked to be moved out of her class and she started to cry infront of the class while talking to me, and I didn't want all that bullshit so I just left the class and never went back.

I never got to do physics because only the kids in the top Math class were allowed to do it, but I've realised years later that I love it. To me it's a really interesting thing, it's got open questions, we still don't understand our universe and for someone who thinks on a macro level that just won't do. If I understand physics and formulas and all the stuff you see in Good Will Hunting I'm sure I'd be playing around with it.

I think I need to become good at "Pure Mathematics" in that case? If that'll allow me to convey my ideas in numerical form, that'd be pretty sweet.

How can I do it? Any books I should read? Should I test myself, how do you guys do it? Did any other guys become apathetic towards Math and then pick it up later?
 

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Throw me into the group of "Good at math but couldn't learn after a while due to ineffective teaching and apathy".

I was always good at math, in primary I'd be close to the best and then in High School I'd be in the top 5 or so, but as time progressed I got less and less interested in repetitive work. Drawing margins in red pen. Not using black pen. Not using the wrong formulas. Showing working, etc. They couldn't have made it less appealing if they tried. I remember missing a few weeks and falling behind, then missing a whole year and being dropped from Level 1 to Level 3. The teacher would ring my Dad and begin to cry because she felt like she was letting me down. I asked to be moved out of her class and she started to cry infront of the class while talking to me, and I didn't want all that bullshit so I just left the class and never went back.

I never got to do physics because only the kids in the top Math class were allowed to do it, but I've realised years later that I love it. To me it's a really interesting thing, it's got open questions, we still don't understand our universe and for someone who thinks on a macro level that just won't do. If I understand physics and formulas and all the stuff you see in Good Will Hunting I'm sure I'd be playing around with it.

I think I need to become good at "Pure Mathematics" in that case? If that'll allow me to convey my ideas in numerical form, that'd be pretty sweet.

How can I do it? Any books I should read? Should I test myself, how do you guys do it? Did any other guys become apathetic towards Math and then pick it up later?

This is from memory.
For inspiration on great mathematicians, get the book "Men of Mathematics by E.T.Bell. Every person of math knows about it.
Some books I read as a kid: Riddles in Mathematics - don't recall the author, Math'l Recreations and Essays - W.W.Rouse Ball. It's old now but I loved that book
Mathematics and the Imagination - Kasner
Or just go into any Barnes and Noble store to the math section and browse. They may be fun books so they won't directly help you with homework. For that you have to study as per usual.

Post your reactions to any of this here. When I was a kid I used to dream about this stuff because I didn't have any human being to talk to. It kept me assumed and often enthralled.
 

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i absolutely hate algebra and my whole life Ive been plagued by being interested in math but never getting a passing grade.

i LOVE geometry, and i am a genius when it comes to proofs and graphing.
ive also been fascinated with physics since 4th grade.
 

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Frecnhtosd. Advanced math combines algebra and geometry. But you are right. The two are very different. Geometry deals with space. How would we characterize algebra? Formulas?
 
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Dude you got any good ebook resources? I have an avversion to books but with computers I'm fine. I think it's cause there's more ways to manipulate a computer.

I've got 30 wikipedia tabs and other information websites open that I've been working through or the past few days. I feel like a sponge who must absorb but I find I easily get distracted by other new shit. So I keep the tabs open and bookmark pages and work my way backwards.

It's like all these wires leading all these different directions and I want to follow some at some time and others at another but I can't do 2 at once so I just wait for when things have died down and I can read.

I've been a total introvert all week, but whenevery I ineract with anyone outside they'd never know.
 

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Dude you got any good ebook resources? I have an avversion to books but with computers I'm fine. I think it's cause there's more ways to manipulate a computer.

I've got 30 wikipedia tabs and other information websites open that I've been working through or the past few days. I feel like a sponge who must absorb but I find I easily get distracted by other new shit. So I keep the tabs open and bookmark pages and work my way backwards.

It's like all these wires leading all these different directions and I want to follow some at some time and others at another but I can't do 2 at once so I just wait for when things have died down and I can read.

I've been a total introvert all week, but whenevery I ineract with anyone outside they'd never know.
I did math only from books and the professor. Can you display some of those wikipedia sites? I'm curious to know where your are at or even if you're doing math.
 
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/naturalism/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwave_synchronization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxian_economics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Van_Sant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium_(education)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_de_Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Battista_Alberti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprezzatura
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071114070027AALxVXr
http://thisguyssuchasmartass.blogspot.com/2010/05/you-are-never-satisfied-in-pursuit-of.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy
http://www.essortment.com/all/bibleexodusm_rram.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7178&page=2
http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?vide...m/watch?v=C_vEJpgRhZQ&start2=&authorName=Real
YouTube- OSHO: Meditation Is a Very Simple Phenomenon
http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/nf-idyllic/2238-infp-profile.html
http://wuboutique.onlineshirtstores.com/shop/product/1052418?ma=4

Most people would ignore the significance of the left to right, I'd say the right is everything interacting with the world which I find least important and everything backed up on the left most important. I've been reading lots and lots of things but these are the ones I want to learn more about.

The list doesn't neseccarily mean I agree with the content, I am just studying
 

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My guess is people hate math because they have never been introduced to playing with it. Instead school larning has forced kids to learn boring rules against their will. If one misses one day of learning it's likely to set one behind and from there on in things can get worse and worse.

If nothing succeeds like success, nothing fails like failure and that's what happens. One of the reasons after math, I took to psychology and philosophy is I never had a class in either one I'll bet. My mind was free to roam -- and freedom is an enormous value when it comes to thinking for an INTP -- don't you think?

I think you are right. I think that if I had be introduced in another manner, I COULD find it more enjoyable.
Though, why did I enjoy History? English? Biology Civics?
Those were just as strict and un-playful.

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I disagree alot with you, telepathink though.
You are basically saying the same as Pi, that we don't like it, because we can't figure it out.


And I think that's bullshit.. I couldn't figure out Biology at first, And I "missed" who knows how many classes. I still enjoy it. There's alot of things I enjoy even though I can't figure them out.

I think, that I simply just did not enjoy mathematics.
 

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I think I need to become good at "Pure Mathematics" in that case? If that'll allow me to convey my ideas in numerical form, that'd be pretty sweet.

How can I do it? Any books I should read? Should I test myself, how do you guys do it? Did any other guys become apathetic towards Math and then pick it up later?
You don't need to understand most of what is called "pure mathematics" to understand physics. Off the top of my head you need algebra, trig, calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations. Fourier analysis, numerical analysis, and prob/stat would be huge pluses. Abstract algebra, topology, and tensor analysis all might have uses. Those first few are definitely necessary, though (linear algebra is probably the only one of those that is made optional in a lot of physics curricula, which to me is really, really stupid, because it is used so much.)
 

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I disagree alot with you, telepathink though.
You are basically saying the same as Pi, that we don't like it, because we can't figure it out.


And I think that's bullshit.. I couldn't figure out Biology at first, And I "missed" who knows how many classes. I still enjoy it. There's alot of things I enjoy even though I can't figure them out.

I think, that I simply just did not enjoy mathematics.

I know that people are different and some lean towards abstract thoughts and others like to work with something concrete. People can have such preferences and it suits their nature.

Math is not so straightforward as biology. If math is not thought correctly it confuses us. Underestimating teaching basics can later develop in falling to much behind and then not really understanding the hard stuff built upon the basics. And here not understanding means basicly that you don't like it. This problem is far less pronounced in biology. Elementary biology is about remembering stuff however even elementary math is about understanding stuff. Not understanding might be caused by improper explanation - or other factors, like having 20 kids in the class you can't teach separately.

Also I think, it is harder to teach math then biology - at least on college level.

Another thing is certainly in play: math might be for most people more boring than biology. You can appreciate math after you understand what it is all about. And lets be honest to our selves, biology is about animals and plants, we have a strong connection to them from our early age.
 

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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/naturalism/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwave_synchronization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxian_economics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Van_Sant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium_(education)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_de_Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Battista_Alberti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprezzatura
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071114070027AALxVXr
http://thisguyssuchasmartass.blogspot.com/2010/05/you-are-never-satisfied-in-pursuit-of.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy
http://www.essortment.com/all/bibleexodusm_rram.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7178&page=2
http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?vide...m/watch?v=C_vEJpgRhZQ&start2=&authorName=Real
YouTube- OSHO: Meditation Is a Very Simple Phenomenon
http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/nf-idyllic/2238-infp-profile.html
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Most people would ignore the significance of the left to right, I'd say the right is everything interacting with the world which I find least important and everything backed up on the left most important. I've been reading lots and lots of things but these are the ones I want to learn more about.

The list doesn't neseccarily mean I agree with the content, I am just studying
I'mProbablyanINTP also and I tend to be all over this forum but not everywhere. This is the sucking math thread. When I asked for your wikipedia sights I thought they were for sucking up math. Your list reminds me of this book I had where the guy was telling his story of reading the Encyclopedia Britannica. I think I got through his experience up to the D's and then I had to give up. There was nothing to pull it all together.:D
 

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I think you are right. I think that if I had be introduced in another manner, I COULD find it more enjoyable.
Though, why did I enjoy History? English? Biology Civics?
Those were just as strict and un-playful.
Well I think because there is more than one way to enjoy something. The ability to freely play around with something is only one. History could be the stories or the explaining where the present came from. English the stories or anything. You tell me.:confused:
 

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I know that people are different and some lean towards abstract thoughts and others like to work with something concrete. People can have such preferences and it suits their nature.

Math is not so straightforward as biology. If math is not thought correctly it confuses us. Underestimating teaching basics can later develop in falling to much behind and then not really understanding the hard stuff built upon the basics. And here not understanding means basicly that you don't like it. This problem is far less pronounced in biology. Elementary biology is about remembering stuff however even elementary math is about understanding stuff. Not understanding might be caused by improper explanation - or other factors, like having 20 kids in the class you can't teach separately.

Also I think, it is harder to teach math then biology - at least on college level.

Another thing is certainly in play: math might be for most people more boring than biology. You can appreciate math after you understand what it is all about. And lets be honest to our selves, biology is about animals and plants, we have a strong connection to them from our early age.


My statement stills stands: Just because one can't figure it out doesn't mean one doesn't like it.
 

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Well I think because there is more than one way to enjoy something. The ability to freely play around with something is only one. History could be the stories or the explaining where the present came from. English the stories or anything. You tell me.:confused:


Of course there's different kinds of enjoyment..
But it still boils down to "enjoyment" doesn't it?
 

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I'm probably... I replied to your post but a msg came up that a supervisor's approval was required. Give it some time and see if it goes thru.
 

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I have a math/physics problem. R is moving up and down 50 times per second. The distance from the top point of R and the bottom point is 10 cm. What is the acceleration of R. R moves 20 cm per socond.
 

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...Is this easier than it sounds? If it moves 20 cm per second ALL THE TIME, then if its position is a single point its acceleration must be 0. You might be in the tricky situation where your object's "position" is actually a whole bunch of positions and it fills up a volume, though.
 

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That's very good. 21 is also age for legally voting in some U.S. states. We've got 26, 27 is a perfect cube. What's next in our search for the 1st uninteresting number?

17 is evil.
23 is spooky.

i fucking suck at math. oh 26.. such a dull number.. yeah ok its double of 13 but just look at..

yeah but i like programming.. its weird.. though i have to admit.. i enjoy sucking in math.. to a certain extent..

the system of learn through a linear method, then do practice kills me.
it makes English look good.
 

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Then isn't it just v^2/r, the centripetal acceleration, where r is the distance from C? Or is the path not circular?
 

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The path is circular.... I think. I do not know the answer of the question. It is from a game that I have been playing, Genius Physics.
 

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I'm really bad at math (I think).

It's odd. I was always the best at math. Always. I started counting, subtracting, multiplying etc early on. People would always tell my parents how impressed they are with my talent. I was practically gifted.

Since then, I've staggered from year to year. In 2nd grade, I failed my first test. It was a fractions test and I knew the whole thing by heart...I decided to peek and copy one of the kids beside me. I was so unsure of myself. I copied. I failed. My mother spanked me that night.

That was a life-changing experience. I haven't copied another soul since then.

I did well from grade 2-10. Now I'm in grade 11.

I'm generally pretty good at math - if I WORK at it. I'm terrible at memorizing formulas. I can't apply formulas. We'll learn it in class one day. The next, it'll be GONE. GONE forever.

I have a great long-term memory...my short-term memory is garbage.

I forget everything. People will give me directions, 2 seconds later, *POOF, gone.
My mother will tell me to do something, I'll forget.

If I wasn't so lazy, math would be too easy for me :P. I'm just lazy.
 

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I'm still waiting =o
Sorry Lobstrich. I'm waiting too. Can't recall. My mother used to say, "If you can't remember it, must not have been important."

Grrrr.:twisteddevil:
 

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I am absolutely horrible with math. It's alwayts been my worst subject. ):
 

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Math is my worst subject in school. That does not mean i'm bad at it though, I just can't find enough interest in it. It was always the subject in which I struggled the most in, Science being the easiest right along with English/ Literature.
It's also somewhat hard for me to understand why i'm bad at it. During the grades of 4-8, I was ahead of my class in doing work in all subjects. One reason was because some of the work was completely easy, but the math was even easier at that time. Once I started getting into the more complicated forms and such, like Quadratic equations etc. (which I now isn't that hard for many) I started slacking and almost completely gave up. My grade dropped remarkably and I even failed once.
 

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I don't mind geometry type deals, and I'm good at math, but I really don't like it very much. Also, I detest physics because I detest anything that calls itself one thing but is in actuality another. Damnit, you are just math with direction!
 

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Also, I detest physics because I detest anything that calls itself one thing but is in actuality another. Damnit, you are just math with direction!
Eh...not quite. There are mathematical concepts that take some effort to be reduced back down to real things, and then there are things in physics and chemistry that still don't have mathematical treatment. For example, the divergence theorem in multivariable calculus has a physical manifestation in Gauss's Law in electromagnetism. This isn't all that obvious at first, and the existence of this universal constant epsilon naught is also not that obvious. For another example, there are plenty of things that are very poorly understood in chemistry. Lots of reactions are well known and documented and their mechanisms are completely unknown.
 
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