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[SpaceYeti]

Why are we being assholes to Dux? Because he derailed a couple threads? Frankly, if a thread stays on topic for more than two pages, I get bored as shit of it. I don't see how a naturally evolving conversation is a derailment as opposed to switching rails when you came to a path you wanted to take. I mean, I'm sure I missed something key, though, since this is happening, so... what did I miss?

 

[GodOfOrder]

I agree entirely. But to answer your inquiry, Dux had a bit of a spat with Own8ge. The ensuing argument seemed rather heated. But what else is new...

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I second this.

 

[Jennywocky]

The rules seem a bit over the top to post publicly, to be honest.

 

[own8ge]

I have no beef with Dux, don't worry. In my perspective, He just kept on hammering foolish/trollish. Maybe it's puberty, maybe it's maybelline. I and duxwing have a weird relationship, but we love each other. Doesn't anyone just love duxwing? Anyhow, with love comes the acceptance of hate. (Doing hateful stuff for the sake of the other). Maybe it's that. Maybe it's maybelline.

Spoiler

 

[Jennywocky]

I and duxwing have a weird relationship, but we love each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxbROMQTjKg‎‎

 

[Absurdity]

The rules seem a bit over the top to post publicly, to be honest.

We anticipated requests for greater transparency (like this very thread) and sought to provide it.

It is not our intention to do anything other than make it perfectly clear the sort of behavior we would like him to abstain from. We are not "being assholes."

There is also a big difference between derails and healthy topical meandering: the latter is encouraged, while the former detracts from the quality of the forum (hence why we strive to prevent it).

 

[Jennywocky]

We anticipated requests for greater transparency (like this very thread) and sought to provide it.

It is not our intention to do anything other than make it perfectly clear the sort of behavior we would like him to abstain from. We are not "being assholes."

There is also a big difference between derails and healthy topical meandering: the latter is encouraged, while the former detracts from the quality of the forum (hence why we strive to prevent it).

Well, I did not use the word "asshole," I guess you were quoting someone else's post there.

My only concern is that when I read that post of all the rules, I was like, "Man, if that was what was being dropped on me, I'd just not come back." it would make posting so laborious, and I'd feel like any little mistake would just get me canned. It's also kind of publicly humiliating, I suppose; I don't remember other people being treated like that, not even Blob. (But maybe my memory isn't good on that topic.)

For "more transparency," I'd be fine with just being told when someone is banned or confined, and what they did to result in that punishment.

Just sharing my perspective. You can do with that what you want.

 

[Absurdity]

My only concern is that when I read that post of all the rules, I was like, "Man, if that was what was being dropped on me, I'd just not come back." it would make posting so laborious, and I'd feel like any little mistake would just get me canned. It's also kind of publicly humiliating, I suppose; I don't remember other people being treated like that, not even Blob. (But maybe my memory isn't good on that topic.)

For "more transparency," I'd be fine with just being told when someone is banned or confined, and what they did to result in that punishment.

Just sharing my perspective. You can do with that what you want.

Your opinion is appreciated as always Jenny.

We've tried a number of approaches to get Duxwing to understand what it is we want from him (as well as what we don't). He's been given warnings, advice, and discipline in private as well as in public, and the issue of clarity has been raised repeatedly. This is what we decided would be the best way to hold him accountable once he returns to the forum. We're not simply trying to humiliate him, but part of the very nature of punishment is, I suppose, a degree of humiliation.

For the record, little mistakes don't get one canned. Big mistakes, like the ones he has been warned about before, and the one that landed him in Siberia, are what get you canned.

Regarding Blob, one of his chief complaints was that he was not given sufficient warning before being banned. We have learned from that experience.

Regarding transparency, wouldn't it be worse if Dux were to be sent back to Siberia without a clear explanation as to what it was he did and what rule he had violated? This way it will be evident to all, and no one will "miss" anything again.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I still don't know what he actually did. What was the actual problem? What rules did he break?

 

[Absurdity]

I still don't know what he actually did. What was the actual problem? What rules did he break?

This was the (part of the) thread that earned him a trip to the salt mines.

With special attention to this quote, and how reminiscent it is of a certain edgeless, blobby fellow:

No. I refuse, and I will continue to discuss this with you until you either see the light of day, convince me, leave, or have a meltdown.

Mind you, the argument originally occurred in this thread, in which a poor woman with a difficult living situation sought advice.

That, Yeti, is a derail.

 

[loveofreason]

It is also browbeating - something Duxwing has been more and more inclined to do. It kills diversity of opinion and purpose. Not everyone is here to have their words nitpicked to death, or to be held accountable to the same someone pestering for clarification to the point that it kills discussion.

So, specific instances aside, the whole 'why' is a matter of the long term behaviour patterns exhibited, and the impact they are having on the forum. Dux posts so prolifically that he has a deep influence on the way the forum is. Not everyone may feel personally affected by that, but a significant proportion of posters are.

The way we've chosen to deal with it is taylored to Dux, though it wasn't our prefered method. We tried describing to him in discussion, including numerous points of fruitless clarification, what his actions were and how they were received by others. Yet endless regressions don't get the problem solved. I'd hardly find this appropriate for anyone else, but in this case, Duxwing's personality virtually necessitates it. It's an attempt to help him adapt his posting behaviour, via the clearest means possible.

Plain, black and white, unambiguous.

 

[defghi]

I want Duxwing to keep being Duxwing, whatever Duxwing feels like that should be. If I don't want to read his posts.... I won't.

 

[Duxwing]

The mods have a point: even my therapist agrees that I've become more "rigid" in the past 4 to 6 weeks, and when I look back on my posting habits, I've noticed that I've turned many topics into full-fledged debates on off-topic points when I very well could have split the battle off into a thread in the Formal Debates sub-forum. And while I still don't know exactly why and how, the preponderence of the evidence points to my being excessively rigid.

In terms of functions, I buckled down into too much Ti, not letting Ne help me take in information. There was some Fe anxiety about having the rug pulled out from underneath me after misinterpreting figurative language, and Si was trying to hold the blasted ship together with formal logic.

Nevertheless, I appreciate the sympathy.

-Duxwing

 

[own8ge]

@Duxwing
How about this... Don't argue against something you don't understand.

 

[Absurdity]

@Duxwing
How about this... Don't argue against something you don't understand.

Do us all a favor and stay out of this.

 

[own8ge]

Do us all a favor and stay out of this.

How is this morally appropriate to say? Are you a psychopath?

 

[Jennywocky]

How is this morally appropriate to say? Are you a psychopath?

Say hi to all the folks in Siberia!! *waves*

 

[Absurdity]

Own8ge has been banned for a week for harassing Duxwing.

 

[BigApplePi]

Why are we being assholes to Dux? Because he derailed a couple threads? Frankly, if a thread stays on topic for more than two pages, I get bored as shit of it. I don't see how a naturally evolving conversation is a derailment as opposed to switching rails when you came to a path you wanted to take. I mean, I'm sure I missed something key, though, since this is happening, so... what did I miss?

I missed this too. Have been busy outside the forum lately. General thoughts:

1. Try to avoid being assholes to anyone.

2. What kind of derailment? Don't answer that as it's been attempted. My impression of Duxwing is he often gives strong views which define derailment. Strong views tend to come from inside one and if they affect things socially, especially unfavorably in some way, should either be explained or avoided.

3. I will speak for myself. I was guilty of venturing out and about with an INFJ person. That brought about a discussion (good) but may have been harmful to the INFJ (bad/uncertain). I don't believe I ever explained myself and my motives ... as least not in a way to be positively affective. THAT was a mistake on my part.

If one finds oneself in a social situation where things are not going well, and resolutions are not forthcoming, it's best to look into oneself and see if one can determine what one's contribution is.

Meanwhile go to step 1.