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[chatvite]

I am here. I've been here for some time. I have made a few posts, some years apart. I am still not sure if I will post this. Lurker extraordinaire.

I just returned home from MBTI certification. Watch out world, I can type you! I did it to find out more about MBTI, mostly for my own sake. I guess I can use it at work.

I started with Kiersey Bates back in 2000. I typed at ENTP (the horror). I took the assessment again about 6 months later and typed INTP. I was confused. Why? Well, I changed because I was taking it for work and forced what I thought I needed to keep my job. Since then, I have typed INTP on the MBTI and everything else I take.

Well, I just stood up to get more tea and tripped on my dog. It's the story of my life. I can't stop reading this forum!

 

[Auburn]

Hi.

How exactly does one get an MBTI certification? Where did you go, how long did it take, and what does the process entail?

 

[snafupants]

Are the differences between an ENTP and INTP really that pronounced? Basically, when you look at the functions and their order, it seems that the first and second functions are switched, as well as the third and fourth. Would that make for an incomprehensible divide among each? Maybe things would depend on the individuals involved, but a large gap seems contrived.

 

[chatvite]

Hi.

How exactly does one get an MBTI certification? Where did you go, how long did it take, and what does the process entail?

The training was 4 intense days. I went through CAPT (www.capt.org). It was amazing! They have training classes all over the US. My instructor rocked! Let me know if you want to chat. I was completely in my element in class. There are 5 exams, one on most days and two on one day.

 

[chatvite]

Are the differences between an ENTP and INTP really that pronounced? Basically, when you look at the functions and their order, it seems that the first and second functions are switched, as well as the third and fourth. Would that make for an incomprehensible divide among each? Maybe things would depend on the individuals involved, but a large gap seems contrived.

Well, the E/I is how you get your energy. The P/J is how you live your outer life. The S/N and T/F are your mental functions. The main difference between ENTP and INTP is the fact that INTPs get their energy internally. Social situations can be taxing and INTPs need time to process and recharge.

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Also, the ENTP and INTP have different dominant functions. We both extrovert intuition and introvert thinking. However, INTP's dominant is T while ENTP's dominant is N.

I am happy to discuss further.

 

[snafupants]

Well, the E/I is how you get your energy. The P/J is how you live your outer life. The S/N and T/F are your mental functions. The main difference between ENTP and INTP is the fact that INTPs get their energy internally. Social situations can be taxing and INTPs need time to process and recharge.

I am happy to discuss further.

I suppose there are two predominate ways to view typology - from the cognitive functions perspective, which I probably use, and the letter-by-letter route, which you seem to utilize above. The trouble I have with the latter is it's seemingly undependable and different from Jung's original conception of, for instance, introverted thinking and extraverted feeling. Also, I've heard that MBTI is actually a three-factor personality inventory; the last letter, in other words, is a moot point according to factor analysis. I just like the cognitive functions perspective because it allows you to talk about, say, introverted intuition and really get into the meat of who a person is. I just think that the ENTP and INTP have quite a bit in common because they implement the same four of the top four functions but in a slightly jumbled order. Put another way, consider the difference between an INFJ and an INFP. According to the four letter model, they are just off by one letter; however, according to the cognitive functions perspective, they actually share zero of the top four functions! In fact, the INFP and INFJ are quite different in the flesh and theoretically.

 

[chatvite]

I suppose there are two predominate ways to view typology - from the cognitive functions perspective, which I probably use, and the letter-by-letter route, which you seem to utilize above. The trouble I have with the latter is it's seemingly undependable and different from Jung's original conception of, for instance, introverted thinking and extraverted feeling. Also, I've heard that MBTI is actually a three-factor personality inventory; the last letter, in other words, is a moot point according to factor analysis. I just like the cognitive functions perspective because it allows you to talk about, say, introverted intuition and really get into the meat of who a person is.

I edited my response to be more accurate. I jumped the gun in my explanation.

 

[snafupants]

I edited my response to be more accurate. I jumped the gun in my explanation.

That's all right. Embedded in my response to your original post was a concession: I clearly agree that the dominant functions for the ENTP (i.e., extraverted intuition) and INTP (i.e., introverted thinking) are different. That said, I find it remarkable that each shares all four top functions (introverted thinking, introverted sensing, extraverted feeling, and extraverted intuition); this would seem to facilitate a mutual understanding among the ENTP and the INTP personality. Is that fair?

 

[Auburn]

Very interesting. o.o
How big was the class? What other types were in the class? What was the instructor's type?? What color were the walls?! What did you pack for lunch?!? O=

*slaps self* ...>w> ...<w<

 

[chatvite]

Yes, absolutely fair. The N and T have remained the same. Briggs and Myers added the J/P dichotomy to Jung's theory. This added the "lifestyle" of E/I on the mental functions. They are the same in the ENTP and INTP. In this sense, only the order of the dominant, auxiliary, tertiary and inferior functions are different.

 

[chatvite]

Very interesting. o.o
How big was the class? What other types were in the class? What was the instructor's type?? What color were the walls?! What did you pack for lunch?!? O=

*slaps self* ...>w> ...<w<

The color of the walls? Um......yes, there were walls.

I think there were 20 or so in the class. I don't remember all the types in the class but my opposite was there! The instructor was ENFP. Lunch? Lunch was yummy.

 

[Melkor]

Sounds hellish.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

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[chatvite]

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[Solitaire U.]

Nice...duck.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

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