I always misrepresent myself in text format. help me understand what I do wrong?

[somfoolishfoole]

I always misrepresent myself in a text format. it seems like 80% of the online text-text conversations I have with people, ends in them left feeling jaded towards me. I don't quite understand what I'm doing wrong? Am i too straitforward? too honest?

feel free to be brutally honest. call me an absolute tosspot if you please, there is no such thing as "too blunt" as far as im concerned when it comes to recieving criticism. just be honest and help me figure out why people take a disliking to me in all online formats.

I've even managed to upset a fair few of you guys. My best guess is that I'm fairly self confident and I'm honest about it in online forums.

the issue I have is that people really like me in person to person encounters, and i think many would describe me as one of the most caring/friendly people they know. change to txt format and people hate me.

 

[Hawkeye]

There is a fine line between self confidence and arrogance. The difference being that the former is bigging yourself up whilst the latter is knocking everyone else down.

Look at this thread title you made:

help. I don't respect any1 I know intellectually

This is worded in such a way that it promotes the latter.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

edit: removed double quoting

There is a fine line between self confidence and arrogance. The difference being that the former is bigging yourself up whilst the latter is knocking everyone else down.

Look at this thread title you made:



This is worded in such a way that it promotes the latter.

good point. noted. thank you for the concise and exampled statement. really paints a clear picture because I can see that I could have said "I percieve myself to be... hmm." fix the statement for me in a more "self confident" and less "arrogant" way please?

 

[Hawkeye]

How about...

Help! I feel socially out of place with my peers.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

How about...

noted... so I need to place locus of blame my perspective/mindset/niche insignificance, not the *adjective* of others.

 

[Hawkeye]

Well, you don't need to, but it will make you sound less judgmental towards others' personas, abilities, etc...

Sometimes however, it's good to let off some steam. ^^

 

[somfoolishfoole]

Well, you don't need to, but it will make you sound less judgmental towards others' personas, abilities, etc...

Sometimes however, it's good to let off some steam. ^^

haha, thanks buddy. it's been tertiary, auxiliary, secondary... week..

any more stuff? noone wants to take up invitation to insult me as much as they please? frankly this offer always stands. I always take something away from an insult.

ps: if you pay attention to insults. people are almost ALWAYS telling you something really valuable that you can learn from. they are just telling it in the language of ragemotion (rage/emotion). If you get good at translating ragemotion into english, its a double win because A: insults roll off like *low viscosity noun* and B: you learn from people who are most in a situation to tell you that you are doing something wrong.

 

[redbaron]

Maybe you represent yourself accurately, and people just don't like you.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

You're young, brash and have many experiences that will whittle away your over estimation of yourself hopefully to burn it down and transform into a self-confident but humble man. Experience will be your teacher as it has been for all generations so keep on being yourself (or not), it will lead you to the crucible of transformation. Weather you take the invitation to transform is totally up to you

 

[Kuu]

You:

A) Seem to talk constantly about yourself.
B) Seem to constantly whine about others / stuff being shit / stupid.
C) Seem to have no desire to understand others, merely pass judgments.
D) Don't seem to have much else to offer besides ^
E) Lack of capitalization and bad spelling signals sloppiness/laziness, lack of interest in social conventions, how others perceive you (to which you readily admit) and less capacity than that which you seem to ascribe to yourself.
F) Have your own face as avatar (presumably) which combined with all of the above gives the overall image of being full of yourself.

This, from my vague previous impressions of some posts I recall.

I thought this thread was eerily familiar, and that might be because you already asked us what we think of you here: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=17791 and don't seem to have understood it.

You're not special. Maybe above average intelligence. But not too much. Just another plebeian thinking he's the hottest shit.

There is a fine line between self confidence and arrogance.

When I read the OP, this was word-for-word what came to mind, just replace arrogance with hubris.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

@kuu

A: i use this website as a tool for personal growth and intelligent insights, not for gossip or people drama, for this reason, im the only one here worth talking about. Ahah people gonna love that

B: honestly i dnt rlly have any close relationships. Its you guys or noone. Gotta bitch and vent somewhere. My mother and father are workaholics and have 0 time in there day for me and... Yeah im whining again much fun

C: this was actually true until the other day when u lot got through to me and realigned my perspective on this. It has already been applied and has already made noteable difference in peoples disposition toward me.

D: i suppose i dont seem to have much to offer because i havnt bothered to offer much. Ill think on this and decide if i want to do something about this and if i can figure out what to do about it.

E: i can understand the perspective of a "grammer nazi". I understand the frustration. The effort outweighs the shits i give about the opinions of grammar nazi's though. Not ing you a grammar nazi btw. I appreciate where u are coming from, i was jst exaggerating the scenario.

My own face as avataar is less about vanity and more about providing people with a face to correlate to the person whom they are talking with. I wish others would do the same, but meh. I probably actually ought to change the photo. I feel like it misrepresents me. It captures me in a different light than i am seen in day to day. I am less "pompous" looking and more "no shits were given as to what i wear on any given day".

 

[Base groove]

You're young, brash and have many experiences that will whittle away your over estimation of yourself hopefully to burn it down and transform into a self-confident but humble man. Experience will be your teacher as it has been for all generations so keep on being yourself (or not), it will lead you to the crucible of transformation. Weather you take the invitation to transform is totally up to you

Best advice ever.

 

[pernoctator]

I always misrepresent myself in a text format.

Are you sure?

 

[doncarlzone]

You're young, brash and have many experiences that will whittle away your over estimation of yourself hopefully to burn it down and transform into a self-confident but humble man. Experience will be your teacher as it has been for all generations so keep on being yourself (or not), it will lead you to the crucible of transformation. Weather you take the invitation to transform is totally up to you

Great post. Too bad that while this can be understood intellectually, it cannot be felt without experience.

Am i too straitforward? too honest?

Notice how both of the above remarks put your ego in a positive light? Your ego wants to think that your only problem is delivery, rather than the opinion itself.

If someone were to write: "I don't like gays because it's obviously unnatural. I mean if all people were gay, humanity would eventually die out".

Would you think that person was too straightforward? Too honest?

 

[manishboy]

I too agree with paradoxparadigm7. Life has a way of rubbing away the useless edges. You can accelerate the process by being a good student. I've found reading good literature to be a marvelous way of softening up the seemingly clear categories I had fashioned about the world (esp. about the superiority of cold logic to everything else). And it refines one's ability to see things from another's perspective. If, Mr Foolio, your readers are misunderstanding your writing, then you might not be conceptualizing them well enough while you compose. This is just a skill and like any other can be improved with practice. Literature is one way to practice.

Good luck with changing.

 

[Fukyo]

If you want me to be fully honest.

You hype yourself as being extraordinarily intelligent but in your writing you come across as significantly less so. Your writing, which is the main and for the most part only medium of expression on a forum, seems lazy and somewhat incoherent. You also come across as a fucking normie douchenozzle who likes to talk about some trivial shit like white people 1st world problems. If you like physics, why aren't you talking about it here? I'm pretty sure that there are at least several knowledgeable members. Afraid you wouldn't rise to the challenge and be shot down by others?


I'd agree with everything Kuu said. You come across as having an unwarranted sense of self importance, judgmental and shallow, your self absorption can be seen prominently in your claim that everyone around you is less intelligent.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

loving the feedback.

1st and foremost i need to start with @fukyo

I don't know how to word this to best to express my strong distaste and desire for you to give half a shit about what I say. The statement "white people 1st world problems.". not ok... in my opinion any racial generalization is laughing in the face of all that racism has done in the past. That is all, take it or leave it but please don't post racist things in my posts.

@paradoxadigm
I thank you for the advice, for some reason I thought it went without saying that it was great saying, i neglected to say thank you, so thank you.

@everyone saying are you sure you represent yourself wrong?
I cannot be certain of others opinions, but the gulf between % of people who like me in real life and those who like me online is big. It doesn't feel like a false cause correlation but it could be i suppose.

@doncarlzone
I appreciate what you are saying, I would detest the person putting gays down regardless of how they said it. can you quote an example of my metaphorical insult to gays? I'd like to see what I'm saying that people so detest.

@manishboy
I am working on it. I realized something had to change when I realized i had negatively labeled almost every person i knew (if not every single one of them). that was the day i realized that either the world sucks beyond belief and that by probability, I too would be as sucky as them. it was that or I needed to realize other people have good qualities that i'm not noticing. I decided that I was not sucky, therefore, several others probably needed re'analyzing.
so started deeper questioning of my merits and of other peoples demerits.

now back to @fukyo
several people now have stated that i hype myself up. I don't think I have ever done this, I have only ever done this in relative respects. I had low opinions of others, not high opinions of myself.
yes my writing is lazy. I find it tyresome and trivial to spellcheck what I type, problem? haha no, I hate that troll joke. 1st and last usage of it.

I googled normie... lack of psychological problems?? I'm not sure thats what you were intending. but if it was, I have dyspraxia, thus not normie... I'm not seeing any relevance to anything here, moving on.

physics? Havn't had any physics curiosities lately. I'm almost certain I would get shot down by others. Infact it has happened in the last month or 2, I posted someting about physics. My physics knowledge is all theoryetical and hobby based. I'd be lying if I said I knew any actual physics. a 1st year physics student would destroy me.

unwarranted sence of self importance... hmm, working on it, I think you are right. judgemental, definatly, working on that more-so. shallow is my perogative. If a guy likes big boobs he should go for a girl with big boobs. I like a people with similar interests so I look for people with similar interests... or maybe that is a bit ignorant... I'll see what other people say.

and your last point: "your absorbtion can be seen..." yeah I'm starting to see that difference is not deficit applies to intellect too, who knew?

Thanks for all the posts guys. cumulatively it has been very helpful honestly. do not be desuaded by the stream of insults, if you have something to add, go ahead.

 

[Hawkeye]

It's better to insult people when they're not expecting it; that way, you get a 3x multiplier bonus on arsehole points.

I also agree that Fukyo was silly to add "white people 1st world problems" to your cons list. I don't think she understands that the meme is actually just first world problems.

She probably won't retract the statement however. ^^

 

[Pyropyro]

loving the feedback.

I've been following your threads for some time now and I think they mostly boil down to these three words. There's a repeating pattern where forum members have given you advice and you always promise to learn from them yet at the next thread there's no hint of progress from your part. Since you have posted this pattern through many threads I'm beginning to suspect that you're only here for feedback's sake, not for learning.

Anyways, that's really bad for your growth. You claim that you think normally of yourself but your actions tell me that you'll take any stimulus no matter how demeaning it is. You claim that you think lowly of others, yet you crave their approval and teachings even at the cost of your dignity.

Dude you're better than that! Why are you acting like a dog feeding on scraps when you can sit with us and eat at the table?

 

[somfoolishfoole]

@hawkeye
haha. I like all 3 of your statements.
I like you

@pyropyro
you don't see what I see though. I've managed to appreciate people who I normally wouldn't give a chance. I've managed to make these people deeply like me purely based on wisdom from you guys.
I met two people who my first impression was like wtf these people are fucking stupid. but i got over it and inquired into their lives and their interests and did much more listening than talking. by the end of the night they both wouldnt shutup about how my girlfriend had herself such an awesome boyfriend. beyond this, I learnt a fair bit from one of them.

demeaning is a foreign concept to me. I don't care at all about what is demeaning. worst case scenario, someone doesn't like me but I'm pretty good at psychoanalysing people so I can hit them with an angle they didnt see me doing and make them like me.

A few people seem to be calling out for some intellect from me. I have been raping knowledge from you guys. I'll see about posting something clever if/when inspiration strikes.
In all honesty, I have always conceeded to superior wisdom. an example would be starting a new job. the first thing i do is find out who has been there the longest and take in all the advice and critique they can give. because come 3 weeks time, I have the technique of a 20 year veteran, all that is needed is for skill to catch up then I become 20 year vet in the space of 6 months or a year. it works well.

I've been doing the same here. you guys have had a lifetime of being intp's. I KNOW you guys are more well rounded than me and my learning curve doesn't have room for an ego or worrying about what statements might be "demeaning".

Long story short, I be stealing your brains

 

[Polaris]

Funny, I have the opposite issue.

It sounds like you just need to find out how to express in a way less likely to stir people's sensitivities. This, unfortunately, comes with trying and failing as paradoxP expressed more succinctly. You will gradually work out exactly what puts people off and what entices them through better understanding of the general human psyche. It does not mean relinquishing who you are as a person, it's just a matter of trying to view how you come across to other people and how your somewhat clumsy expression misrepresents you by emphasising the negatives and hiding the finer aspects.

Spoiler

People perceive my online persona to be caring, mild, non-confrontational, etc., whereas people who know me in real life know this is certainly not the case. I'm generally perceived as cold, aloof, inapproachable, indifferent and quite obstinate. The very few friends I have made are similarly inclined, so have no issue with my "stand-offishness" and unwillingness to socialise. I also don't hesitate to bite people's heads off, for example. I actively push people away so that I can be left alone to pursue my interests.

I think I'm better at being a 'good' person in writing, whereas it is really difficult expressing it in real time where there is little opportunity to think about best behaviour.

I get it mostly wrong IRL, and do better online...I think this is worse, somehow

 

[Hawkeye]

@hawkeye
haha. I like all 3 of your statements.
I like you

You actually remind me a lot of one of my close friends and so I can relate to your persona.

 

[Pyropyro]

Long story short, I be stealing your brains

Learning doesn't work that way. Oh well, it's your psyche after all. Guess you have to learn these things the hard way as the others have posted.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

Funny, I have the opposite issue.

It sounds like you just need to find out how to express in a way less likely to stir people's sensitivities. This, unfortunately, comes with trying and failing as paradoxP expressed more succinctly. You will gradually work out exactly what puts people off and what entices them through better understanding of the general human psyche. It does not mean relinquishing who you are as a person, it's just a matter of trying to view how you come across to other people and how your somewhat clumsy expression misrepresents you by emphasising the negatives and hiding the finer aspects.

Spoiler

People perceive my online persona to be caring, mild, non-confrontational, etc., whereas people who know me in real life know this is certainly not the case. I'm generally perceived as cold, aloof, inapproachable, indifferent and quite obstinate. The very few friends I have made are similarly inclined, so have no issue with my "stand-offishness" and unwillingness to socialise. I also don't hesitate to bite people's heads off, for example. I actively push people away so that I can be left alone to pursue my interests.

I think I'm better at being a 'good' person in writing, whereas it is really difficult expressing it in real time where there is little opportunity to think about best behaviour.

I get it mostly wrong IRL, and do better online...I think this is worse, somehow

get drunk many times with close friends and on separate occaisions, not close friends. u get better at people.

person to person is easy. I just find that I am so in control of my attitudes to people. most people who dislike you turns out just to be a misunderstanding. easy way to make people like you is be friendly to even those who you think hate you. they come around..

on second thoughts i think that was all terrible advice. whimsically thought up. ignore it.

@other guy who posted and whose name i cant recall and whose name is not visible on my current screen.

... uhh.. i forget what you said. let me hit send, then edit....

edit: ok its hawkeye.. @hawkeye your friend must be sooper cool .

@pyropyro
...no.. you will miss this post if i do this on an edit... I shall repost..
EDIT: #2
my post is still last... perhaps not missable.
learning absolutly does work that way. watching what other people have perfected is a great way of learning. why perfect something that someone else already perfected? I have stolen plenty of wisdom from this forum

 

[elusivepeanut]

I always misrepresent myself in a text format.

This is assuming your friends truly feel jaded and you didn't misread them.

Even if you're you're right, you still have a problem communicating with and reading people. Otherwise, you'd know if why people feel jaded.

My perspective is unbiased and nonjudgmental. I dont' find the time to be a regular here (although I love the forums). In other words, I don't know you, and I don't have an image to uphold. I didn't read the posts before this one on this thread.

I did take the liberty to truly read your post and to analyze my intuitive interpretation of how you were thinking and feeling as you were writing it. I felt like you may be a sensitive guy that just misinterprets how you read what others type. Online especially, you tend to interpret others based on how you feel. If you're feeling jaded, you error on the side that others feels jaded too, unless clearly obvious they're not.

Then I decided to go check through your move recent post by reading your statistics > post > previewed of threads. So here goes my limited perspective on you.

tl;dr / summary: You don't take enough time to truly consider how the other person is feeling, until it is too late. That's understandable because you're and INTP. You may able to read those with Extroverted Feeling (FE) but if the person is Introverted (FI) then you're likely to misinterpret them. It's nature of the beast. So what you need to do, is to ask more Feeling based questions to those who you have determined are FI. If you're not sure, and you still don't clearly trust how you think they feel, then it's just good to ask them anyway. One easy way is to replace the word "think" with the word "feel" when you talk.

Instead of: 'what do you think about the project that was assigned to you' you may say ' how are ya feelin about the project that was assigned to you?'. (Yes, the slang makes it less serious to most people and allows them to answer subconsciously without fear of judgement.)

I sense that you tend to be a bit stubborn with your beliefs because you have a smidgin of a superiority complex that tends to flare up when you discuss something that you've spent considerable time thinking about. That's again a trait that we all share here. Our strengths will eventually become our weaknesses, because we will be so good at it that we miss what we have subdued. Oh the phone is ringing, I am done. Farewell.

 

[The Gopher]

Funny, I have the opposite issue.

It sounds like you just need to find out how to express in a way less likely to stir people's sensitivities. This, unfortunately, comes with trying and failing as paradoxP expressed more succinctly. You will gradually work out exactly what puts people off and what entices them through better understanding of the general human psyche. It does not mean relinquishing who you are as a person, it's just a matter of trying to view how you come across to other people and how your somewhat clumsy expression misrepresents you by emphasising the negatives and hiding the finer aspects.

Spoiler

People perceive my online persona to be caring, mild, non-confrontational, etc., whereas people who know me in real life know this is certainly not the case. I'm generally perceived as cold, aloof, inapproachable, indifferent and quite obstinate. The very few friends I have made are similarly inclined, so have no issue with my "stand-offishness" and unwillingness to socialise. I also don't hesitate to bite people's heads off, for example. I actively push people away so that I can be left alone to pursue my interests.

I think I'm better at being a 'good' person in writing, whereas it is really difficult expressing it in real time where there is little opportunity to think about best behaviour.

I get it mostly wrong IRL, and do better online...I think this is worse, somehow

D-does this mean you don't love us?

 

[somfoolishfoole]

This is assuming your friends truly feel jaded and you didn't misread them.

Even if you're you're right, you still have a problem communicating with and reading people. Otherwise, you'd know if why people feel jaded.

My perspective is unbiased and nonjudgmental. I dont' find the time to be a regular here (although I love the forums). In other words, I don't know you, and I don't have an image to uphold. I didn't read the posts before this one on this thread.

I did take the liberty to truly read your post and to analyze my intuitive interpretation of how you were thinking and feeling as you were writing it. I felt like you may be a sensitive guy that just misinterprets how you read what others type. Online especially, you tend to interpret others based on how you feel. If you're feeling jaded, you error on the side that others feels jaded too, unless clearly obvious they're not.

Then I decided to go check through your move recent post by reading your statistics > post > previewed of threads. So here goes my limited perspective on you.

tl;dr / summary: You don't take enough time to truly consider how the other person is feeling, until it is too late. That's understandable because you're and INTP. You may able to read those with Extroverted Feeling (FE) but if the person is Introverted (FI) then you're likely to misinterpret them. It's nature of the beast. So what you need to do, is to ask more Feeling based questions to those who you have determined are FI. If you're not sure, and you still don't clearly trust how you think they feel, then it's just good to ask them anyway. One easy way is to replace the word "think" with the word "feel" when you talk.

Instead of: 'what do you think about the project that was assigned to you' you may say ' how are ya feelin about the project that was assigned to you?'. (Yes, the slang makes it less serious to most people and allows them to answer subconsciously without fear of judgement.)

I sense that you tend to be a bit stubborn with your beliefs because you have a smidgin of a superiority complex that tends to flare up when you discuss something that you've spent considerable time thinking about. That's again a trait that we all share here. Our strengths will eventually become our weaknesses, because we will be so good at it that we miss what we have subdued. Oh the phone is ringing, I am done. Farewell.

Wow.. What a great, insightful read. You sir, are my new favorate INTP on this forum. What excellent interpersonal insight. You pointed out truths of my person that even I wasn't entirely aware of. I'm curious how old you are? Way too wise to be younger than 35?

So you are saying that when I know I'm right, and someone brings up nonsensical rubbish and I know that I have thought about it 10 times more than them. I need to appreciate the obsticals I had to figure out in order to get to my current understanding? It makes sence, I do tend to get annoyed when people won't listen to my truths.

I should start from the top... yeah you are right about incorrect readings, I figured this one out a year ago or so... perhaps more emphasis on this is needed.

You don't have an image to uphold? Why would anyone bother "upholding" an image? Is that a thing I should be doing? Do others on this forum do this? I say what I like, when I like, if it pleases me and backtrack when people call me out on it... I suppose that is what you were talking about later on in the post.... so... be whimsical by all means, but then proof read? (thinking out-loud).

Hahahaha... the mere concept of tl;dr always brings mirth to me. I can appreciate that alot of what I read could be interpreted as tl;dr.

another thing I've noticed of myself is that even in my focus I am quite selfish. I never really read or respond to posts made by other intp's. I'm just far less interested in something that I didn't think up. Now that's realllly scarily narcisistic. worrying.

Thanks for the post. If you felt inclined to write a tl;dr post in responce... I would read it ... although... i read every post that gets posted on my posts. Can narcisism be worked on? I never really thought that I was very narcisistic but I'm starting to feel like I might be a bit. I'm all for tearing myself down a few notches.

 

[hurricanejane]

Can narcisism be worked on? I never really thought that I was very narcisistic but I'm starting to feel like I might be a bit. I'm all for tearing myself down a few notches.

First of all you seem to think knowledge comes with age so I have a feeling you may completely ignore my reply, but I'm going to write it anyways.

I have read this thread and a few others you have made and it seems to me that you are pretty narcissistic, and many other INTPs come off to me that way also. We really like to talk about ourselves even on topics about other people. I think you are confusing narcissism and self confidence. It is self confident to say "I think I'm pretty smart" but it is arrogant and narcissistic to say "Everyone around me is really stupid", and also very rude!

It's a fine line between the two, especially in writing. I wouldn't recommend being self confident in everything you say, your much more relatable to when you show a few flaws here and there. For example, in this thread you have found a weakness and asked for help. Honestly, it has made me like you quite a lot more than I did from just reading some of your other posts.

Maybe you do need to tear yourself down a bit, but also raising others up in your own mind might be helpful. You say that sometimes you come of badly to other people, but the fact that you are trying to fix this really shows that you aren't like that truly. So if someone is coming off to as boring and unintelligent there is a good chance they are neither of those. Getting to know them better and finding a topic that they are very passionate about (even if you don't find it as interesting) gives me a lot more respect for a person.

I hope that helped a bit!

 

[somfoolishfoole]

First of all you seem to think knowledge comes with age so I have a feeling you may completely ignore my reply, but I'm going to write it anyways.

I have read this thread and a few others you have made and it seems to me that you are pretty narcissistic, and many other INTPs come off to me that way also. We really like to talk about ourselves even on topics about other people. I think you are confusing narcissism and self confidence. It is self confident to say "I think I'm pretty smart" but it is arrogant and narcissistic to say "Everyone around me is really stupid", and also very rude!

It's a fine line between the two, especially in writing. I wouldn't recommend being self confident in everything you say, your much more relatable to when you show a few flaws here and there. For example, in this thread you have found a weakness and asked for help. Honestly, it has made me like you quite a lot more than I did from just reading some of your other posts.

Maybe you do need to tear yourself down a bit, but also raising others up in your own mind might be helpful. You say that sometimes you come of badly to other people, but the fact that you are trying to fix this really shows that you aren't like that truly. So if someone is coming off to as boring and unintelligent there is a good chance they are neither of those. Getting to know them better and finding a topic that they are very passionate about (even if you don't find it as interesting) gives me a lot more respect for a person.

I hope that helped a bit!

that confirms alot of what I have been concidering lately. A: that people don't like narcisism one bit. I figure if I must endure narcisism, keep it to myself. B: listening to and probing at peoples interests, whether you are interested in it or not, actually makes them more interesting. You are right/wrong that I don't cherish the advice of young minds. I appreciate the advice of people who have something insightful to say, it just happens to be more common in older people. I like this forum, people are actually willing to help you break down and analyse social conduct in a way that most people would think you are just being weird. Many people would just say wtf is wrong with you? Just be yourself... but then when I be myself and talk about science all day, people tell me to shutup. I've come to the conclusoin that I WILL just be myself. I will talk about science all day, if they don't like it, too bad, they don't have to. If it bothers them sufficiently, they can burn bridges with me. But im gonna be myself.

I went off on a tangent.... I dno what the purpose of this rant was....

PS: (I should probably poll this) do people REALLY care THAT much about my shitty written language/grammar? Do I REALLY need to proof read my stuff more to be granted more intellectual esteem?

 

[Hawkeye]

Grammar can make a huge difference in meaning on a forum. This is because along with the words used, it's the only thing you can use to interpret meaning.

It's the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

Correct spelling and grammar imply (by assumption) that one is at least a little bit educated in so far as they know how to form sentences in order to communicate. This means more people will be more inclined to take what you say uhm... seriously. ^^

However, this is also biased to people native of that language who do not suffer from dyslexia.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

Grammar can make a huge difference in meaning on a forum. This is because along with the words used, it's the only thing you can use to interpret meaning.

It's the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

Correct spelling and grammar imply (by assumption) that one is at least a little bit educated in so far as they know how to form sentences in order to communicate. This means more people will be more inclined to take what you say uhm... seriously. ^^

However, this is also biased to people native of that language who do not suffer from dyslexia.

Ok, I shall attempt better grammar. But I am used to taking shortcuts and my actual grammar knowledge may have fallen . EG: I know you don't start a sentence with "but", but I didn't know how to correct this.

I have sexdaily... fuck I mean dyslexia. win.

No but actualy I have dyspraxia, not dyslexia, so I'm allowed to make excuses whenever it suits me best. Haha, sometimes it's so good having a dysability, you can abuse it from time to time and be like "oh, I only fucked up because I have dyspraxia" when really you were being lazy or just wanted someone else to do the hard stuff for you. Let me tell you, the story of the boy who cried wolf is a lie. The more you make dysability based excuses, the better it works the next time .

I don't abuse it anywhere near as much as I've made it sound though lol.

 

[pernoctator]

I know you don't start a sentence with "but", but I didn't know how to correct this.

There's nothing grammatically incorrect about that.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Could be wrong but I think ", but" doesn't require a comma but one should be used when using the word 'however', however...

 

[somfoolishfoole]

I was referring to the first "but" not the 2nd one. The "but" which has a fullstop before it, not the one with a comma before it

 

[somfoolishfoole]

I have a new revelation... I think my multiple intelligences sig explains pretty well, why I suck at expressing myself correctly to others (interpersonal), yet I'm truly a nice person on the inside (intropersonal).

also, that personality test was bullshit as far as introverted. most of the questions were ok, but if you are even the slightest bit introverted, you will pretty much answer every "introverted/extroverted" question as introverted. intuitive/thinking/perceiving I have no problem with, I think they are roughly accurate, but I'm nowhere near 79% introverted. I'd place myself at like 20% introverted. The high perceiving makes sence though... Can't be assertive and put someone in their place to save myself (amongst other perc traits)

 

[Base groove]

 

[Hawkeye]

Who do you think you are? Kuu?

 

[Base groove]

Who do you think you are? Kuu?

Yes dumbass I'm Kuu. I'm Kuu's dupe account and if you tell anybody I'll make you a moderator and resign.

This idiotic thread is still going on. Has he shown any sign of improvement or learning? Is anything to be gained from providing reinforcement? It's called "help me understand what I do wrong" but he's not taking any help. Is it because he's misrepresenting himself or is it because he loves to bask in the attention (cough*, worship)?

"new revelation"

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Egocentrism and being inconsiderate, maybe with an added lack of insight and intentional or not conceit. Reduce one and observe the positive effects. Reduce all? If it is possible? If this is what you want? Conceit/Being misunderstood, misunderstanding, deceiving oneself is often a source of gratification.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes dumbass I'm Kuu. I'm Kuu's dupe account and if you tell anybody I'll make you a moderator and resign.

This idiotic thread is still going on. Has he shown any sign of improvement or learning? Is anything to be gained from providing reinforcement? It's called "help me understand what I do wrong" but he's not taking any help. Is it because he's misrepresenting himself or is it because he loves to bask in the attention (cough*, worship)?

"new revelation"

You're falling for the bait. ^^

Also it's says help me understand, not help me change

 

[somfoolishfoole]

Yes dumbass I'm Kuu. I'm Kuu's dupe account and if you tell anybody I'll make you a moderator and resign.

This idiotic thread is still going on. Has he shown any sign of improvement or learning? Is anything to be gained from providing reinforcement? It's called "help me understand what I do wrong" but he's not taking any help. Is it because he's misrepresenting himself or is it because he loves to bask in the attention (cough*, worship)?

"new revelation"

I'm getn tired of these incorrect judgements. Ppl are acting like INFJ's here, making attempts redefine my motivation as if i have alterior motives. I dont give a toss about the attention or lack thereof.

Stop being wrong.

Or at least stop voicing your wrong opinion, i'm tired of getting accused of things rhat couldn't be further from the truth.
I don't know where you guys are all getting this idea that i'm learning nothing. The posts i've made over the last few weeks have truly revolutionises my outlook and attitude towards people.

In short, there is no undisclosed motivation in what i am doing/asking. My questions are completely transparent and have no deeper motives or meaning, so stop looking. Thats what infj's do. (Not accusing any of you of being infj's, merely of acting like one

 

[pernoctator]

Shouldn't you be asking how you misrepresented yourself to make Base groove think you aren't learning instead of telling him to stop being wrong, you insufferable tosspot?

 

[Hawkeye]

Shouldn't you be asking how you misrepresented yourself to make Base groove think you aren't learning instead of telling him to stop being wrong, you insufferable tosspot?

I don't think this is down to misrepresentation, rather, it's more like misinterpretation.

 

[Cherry Cola]

He's asking for help, but what he really wants help with is getting pointers on what he could do to help him with his image. He asks the questions in a manner made to seem genuine so that people will put effort into their answers, but then he can't contain himself anymore. This has happened in more than one of his past threads as well.

I suggest closing all his threads that are about him instantly, because he's like a mobsters going to a psychotherapist only to end up knowing his faults and strengths better so that he can go on and be a more successful mobster. Except this dudes a narcissist not a mobster.

Not quite sure if he's doing it on purpose.

 

[Base groove]

Class-y.

I see what all went on here now. Solution - put Hawkeye on ignore and ... put somefoolishfoole on ignore. Am I gonna do it? naw.

You two might actually have something in common - in spite of all your jawing you don't actually seem to have any respect for your audience.

 

[TBerg]

I have actually experienced many similar phenomena that have occurred in his mind. The difference between me and the OP is that I admit that I have many destructive tendencies that originate in my own sense of inferiority. I say this, hopefully, for at least partially the reason that I sympathize with him, but I am wary of my own motives.

The thing is, we all have strengths and weaknesses, and our strengths often serve as oppressors of our weaknesses. I have made many decisions in my life, most of the time in an attempt at destroying my weaknesses. I wanted to overcome all kinds of stuff, and I hated everyone who already had what I lacked. According to many psychologists, our ego is the lawyer for our id, meaning that it attempts to keep our id alive and strong by numerous evasions and apologias. Our superego is also our higher self, a sort of aspiration, but it also comes with the prospect of failing our aspirations. Every time we try and fail to overcome our psychological and cognitive weaknesses, our superego tells us that we are thereby incompetent. It is actually our conscience and our will to power that has been frustrated, because our promise to attainment of power for ourselves has been broken. That means that our aspirations become lesser and lesser and we must abandon notions of being an ubermensch who is capable of setting out for him/her self a set of intellectual axioms that will be fulfilled in practical reality. We had better have some serious depth of perception and Zen-like temperament to get our plans done.

My compensatory self-image is a nihilistic iconoclast who will break people's illusions. Whether I can break my own is the greatest question of all.

 

[somfoolishfoole]

Ok... Clearly i'm missing something. Too many people are too firm in their views for me to dismiss as "wrong". There must be a valid misunderstanding here. I dont really understand why people think im attention seeking.

I frequently don't like your posts cherrycola. You seem to draw negatives out of everything i do, then blow them out of proportion. My image? Really? If you knew me at all you would know that somfoolishfool has no concept or regard for image, infact i think rather lowly of those who work hard to preen their image. The very name somfoolishfool is a renounciation of intelectual pride and a nonchalant acceptance of whatever people want to think of me. If people want to think it is a literal description of myself, cool. If they want to think its some ironic thing that means i'm secretly smart, cool. I really don't care about my image, there is no pride there to feed with attention seeking.

Ok, fruitless attempt to display my side of the story out of the way, now onto trying to figure out you guys' point if view. Honestly i'm drawing blanks. I think theres like a 20% chance u guys are trolling, other than that im lost. 80% sure i havnt a clue where u guys are getting this from. Maybe we just clash and so be it?

 

[somfoolishfoole]

I have actually experienced many similar phenomena that have occurred in his mind. The difference between me and the OP is that I admit that I have many destructive tendencies that originate in my own sense of inferiority. I say this, hopefully, for at least partially the reason that I sympathize with him, but I am wary of my own motives.

The thing is, we all have strengths and weaknesses, and our strengths often serve as oppressors of our weaknesses. I have made many decisions in my life, most of the time in an attempt at destroying my weaknesses. I wanted to overcome all kinds of stuff, and I hated everyone who already had what I lacked. According to many psychologists, our ego is the lawyer for our id, meaning that it attempts to keep our id alive and strong by numerous evasions and apologias. Our superego is also our higher self, a sort of aspiration, but it also comes with the prospect of failing our aspirations. Every time we try and fail to overcome our psychological and cognitive weaknesses, our superego tells us that we are thereby incompetent. It is actually our conscience and our will to power that has been frustrated, because our promise to attainment of power for ourselves has been broken. That means that our aspirations become lesser and lesser and we must abandon notions of being an ubermensch who is capable of setting out for him/her self a set of intellectual axioms that will be fulfilled in practical reality. We had better have some serious depth of perception and Zen-like temperament to get our plans done.

My compensatory self-image is a nihilistic iconoclast who will break people's illusions. Whether I can break my own is the greatest question of all.

You and I are just on entirely different and incomparible wavelengths. I read you whole post and made no sence of it. It was like trying to smell the colour purple. I don't understand you in the slightest and I'm even more sure you don't understand me at all either.
I find everything you have to say about everything is subjective beyond all possible analytical breakdown. I litterally don't know what you are saying half the time (90%). I see words but no meaning.

Now incase you interpret insult from this (I'm fairly sure you will, somehow). Know that I pass no judgement of liking you or disliking you or respecting or disrespecting you. I'm merely stating we are different people to the point of plain comversational incompatibility.

 

[TBerg]

Did your eyes slam shut at the inner workings of your scarface? Or haven't I even glanced at mine?

Who will irony crush in the end?

 

[somfoolishfoole]

Did your eyes slam shut at the inner workings of your scarface? Or haven't I even glanced at mine?

Who will irony crush in the end?

I absolutly litterally cannot glean any meaning from what you said just now. Its like poetry or a riddle or something. Pretty words but i see no litteral translation.

Scarface is not a word, it is a name. How can one have such a thing as "inner workings of scarface" or "inner workings of john smith". Define the word "scarface" for me, and i will maybe understand the first half of your post.