Humans

[LOGICZOMBIE]

What's funny to me is that women (may) like impulsive and "dangerous" men for a good rationalization.

what's funny to me is that men (may) like impulsive and "dangerous" women for a good rationalization

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Math is applied psychology

logic is fundamentally about cause and effect

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

You don't know what rationality means and it doesn't surprise me. Rationality isn't apriori. You apply a reason to a situation post-hoc. This is not to say that it is implicitly fallacious. That's just what it is.

i think you're missing the forest for the trees

in the vid

SHE realizes that SHE isn't getting what SHE wants from the men SHE is impulsively attracted to


now, we're not saying "truks = bad"


we're observing HER awareness of HER own thought process


an awareness which is applicable to a broad spectrum of other humans


who may or may not be women

and who may or may not be attracted to truk drivers



the details here are interchangable

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Math is applied psychology

logic is fundamentally about cause and effect

Is it ABOUT cause and effect or is it about what humans have reasoned about cause and effect?

we're observing HER awareness of HER own thought process

The video you linked includes so much more than an observation about her own misalignment of values towards some ideal. It gives an explanation.

The details of the explanation are not interchangeable, because then it would explain something else.

That explanation to you and or others, might sound compelling. Not to me. I questioned the authenticity of the source from the outset of it's machination, and believe that to make all further reasoning moot if we are to take what the original subject of the video serious.

 

[Black Rose]

He bases it on a system.

That system I have some familiarity with.

So even if he is inauthentic that system still exists.

This is at some level true, we humans are aware of systems themselves.

Systems of humans within systems, the self-awareness of themselves and each other.

If I hold back my impulses I can get a somewhat objective view of these systems.

I can even get an objective view of myself at some point.

Then a self-referential process ensued.

Not analysis paralysis but self-being in relation to all other beings.

Understanding what causes in minds leads to other mental causes.

This may help me see more into the Tao.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

He bases it on a system.

What is "it", his reasoning/explanation? Systems have inputs, processes and outputs. I'm interested in what they produce, but this guy seems to use it to produce a video under the veil of some authority, which is fine if it's proven to do something, but besides being super discriminatory and narrowminded conclusions, I'm not quite sure what it produces.

If I hold back my impulses I can get a somewhat objective view of these systems.

It's not about impulses it's about intentionality. Being conscious of what and why.

I don't know what it is with this Christian nation and repressing your instincts and impulses are, but holy shit, we developed these things over thousands of years. They work to our benefit, yet people speak on them like everything is a vice.

If I impulsively smoke cigarettes while being conscious of why I am doing so, and I am conscious that live without smoking cigarettes would be the same for me, then that impulse is just fine.

If I am lying to myself about why I smoke cigarettes that's another, and I probably treat a lot of other things in my life that way too.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

So even if he is inauthentic that system still exists.

Just going to add, that this intentionality, and a willingness to experiment with different intentions that allow us to actually butt heads with the "systems".

This idea that you can withhold your "negative" behavior and from that gather different and higher point of view in life is bizzare. Sometimes being a fucking idiot makes you learn things that other people won't learn in a lifetime. Calculated risks and all that imply intentionality.

 

[ZenRaiden]

point of view in life is bizzare.

I don't think its bizzare. I think its based in some truth, but what is bizzare that we humans tend to glorify and over emphasize negative experiences for sake of good ones. As if currency of success is based in suffering.
In fact we live in a world of such crises of meaning that many people find meaning in suffering.
And here I do agree, the number of times we reward people for willingness to suffer is enormous.
We have social reinforcement loops for suffering, so we get rewarded for suffering, by peers, teachers, parents, siblings etc.
On one hand it is good that people know how to suffer, but then we get extreme entities like Goggins who glorify suffering to point where you have to ask yourself where is the sane part of life?
Or is someones self worth necessarily tied to suffering alone?
I think the skill to actually be happy and enjoy life is often totally neglected.

So I do believe self control will always correlate with success be it delaying gratification etc. but honestly we live in a world where delaying things is many times stupid. It takes experience and wisdom to know which is which.
So for instance if you were catching fish, and ate the fish right now fresh, you are more likely to have more nutrients from a fresh fish, then waiting it out for few days when the fish decays and loses water.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I can see why people think impulse control is a solution to a lot of things. I sympathize with the perspective.

To me though, it's only a solution to people with destructive behavior, or for people who consistently find themselves in bad situations.

I wouldn't say that these types of people are uncommon. Obviously it is common. It's not the norm however. I'm open for correction or a broader perspective.

Let us say that someone reaches the holy grail of controling their impulses. What and where does that actually get them. I'm writing about a very specific thing mind you. Impulse control, Suppressing impulses.

Not acting on impulses is a form of discipline I suppose, but just because you don't act on impulses doesn't mean you're instantly engaging in good behavior, if anything you're just in a benign state. Which I mean, is good.

It's like saying CBT alone can improve your life. Like- sure, changing your reaction to things you interpret as negative, I'm sure is an ameliorating thing to people who have constant axiety about things they shouldn't., but at best it's just reseting you to baseline. You need more than just that however, as every physician will eagerly tell you.

Creating positive habits and discipline to do things that benefit you, is just as hard if not harder than discarding "negative" habits.

 

[Black Rose]

He bases it on a system.

What is "it", his reasoning/explanation?

spiral dynamics

at the bottom are all the things we have that are basic to survival

in the middle is the realization we do not need to base life on negative outcomes

the third stage is the meta-level where we can derive people relations in all situations

I think you know these already.

It is very much a system where we learn/understand how humans evolve theories of mind.

 

[Black Rose]

The Simpsons - "What is the mind?" - The Tracey Ullman Show​

 

[EndogenousRebel]

He bases it on a system.

What is "it", his reasoning/explanation?

spiral dynamics

It's an incomplete sentence. It's genuinely confusing what you mean.

He bases "It" on spiral dynamics?

Or he bases spiral dynamics on the system.

So what is the system?

 

[Black Rose]

So what is the system?

Google Ken Wilber

He talks about humans.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

It's an incomplete sentence. It's genuinely confusing what you mean.

He bases "It" on spiral dynamics?

Or he bases spiral dynamics on the system.

So what is the system?