How do you deviate from your type?

[Yellow]

I really hope this hasn't been asked yet:

What is your MBTI type, and in what ways do you act/think that either aren't included in, or run contrary to the typical profile description?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I was harassed into being more empathetic.

 

[BrainVessel]

I have strong values and I'm quite the activist.
But I don't know, that could be Ne.

 

[k9b4]

i play sports and fast paced competitive video games

my sensing is decently developed for an N

 

[nanook]

two questions.

how do type descriptions deviate from the essential reality of my type?

like, totally. duh.

and how do i deviate from my type?

by psychopathology. a drastic word for being intimidated by a lack of social acceptance so much as to retreat into my head entirely. which involves suppression of my own motivations. since nobody cares about people of my type and since diagnoses work with superficial lists of concrete traits, there is no accurate way of labeling this particular flavor of avoiding exposure.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

I'm not sure but are INFJs competitive? If not, that's one way I don't meet the description. I also love to dance and get lost in the expression (a very Se thing).

 

[nearfantastica]

Sometimes I'm very empathetic. And I enjoy doing stuff. You know, hiking. Traveling. Playing sports with friends. (Not very INTPish.)

 

[nanook]

mbti makes it sound like Fi types know exactly what they want in life. i knew this had never been true for me, outside of choosing pictures or fashion or similar, which is largely unrelated to feeling, but mostly related to Si preferences. when i had discovered mbti, i was certain that i can not possibly be INFP because i'm so much concerned with what other people feel about my actions, that i can not be myself at all. i was convinced, that i must be an Fe user, so i picked INFJ for a while, then switched to INTP much later, realizing that Te might as well intimidate Fi in just the manner i am intimidated. and that Te can show people what they want to hear. Te makes it impossible for me, to just feel something and go for it. it would be stupid to do so, says my strategically careful Te. and my Fi feels the truth of that, it values being smart and making no stupid mistakes, it values comfort. as a result, i have absolutely no idea what i want to do with my life, other than exploring ideas in my mind. mbti tells me, that my type is supposed to be idealistic and insist on it's values like some sort of fucking hero. this may be true for outside observers, who will never know my actual values, because i would most certainly not tell everybody about how much i compromise about specific values. that would defeat the whole point of the compromise, which is to appear as something that is being treated better by society, than my real self would be treated. so the observer only perceives 20 percent of my ideals, the ones that i actually enforce, because they are very old and very important and have the least impact onto other people, virtually zero impact. and these values still stand out in comparison to people who are born opportunists like extroverts. compared to them i may be an idealistic hero. i mean i go as far as to boycott society pretty much completely. there were times when i wasn't even willing to learn how to drive a car, because i felt, that cars should not be run on oil, when better technologies are available. but i willingly went to school despite knowing that it is a propaganda machine. i spent 99% of my time doing things that were suggested by other people. so if you tell me that i know what i want, i know that is bullshit. i just want to get by somehow and i don't care how. and if podlair had not convinced me, that ixxp types are "adaptive" and ixxj types are "directive", i would still not see, why i could not be a perception dominant type. to me being perception dominant and subjective at that (Ni) seemed to be a perfect explanation for why i accept things as they are and live in a subjective cloud of ideas and do precisely never impose my will on external reality, with the exception of saying no to some things, often feeling, that i only say no out of involuntary inexplicable fear. i didn't even understand and knew my motives to the degree to see how mighty they are in my life, because they all appear like a negative, an act of avoidance. i have, through Te and in limited contexts only, like in online life, enough "Je" traits, to appear like a J type. and to be honest i can even relate to the "hunter" archetype (pod'lairs idea of directives) so much, that i'm somewhat tempted to go back to INTJ/INTp NiTe. i'm intentionally not inserting paragraphs into this post. this is how i think.

and while i am at it: i have never been a wannabe INFJ. i didn't even know any INFJ so that wasn't even a possible thing for me. so fuck you INFJs for thinking INFP want to be like somebody else. we may have a hard time figuring out, what we want to do in this world, in terms of interacting with others (unconscious Se isn't helping), but we know how to be authentic about what we are inside , even if we can't describe what that is, except Te is at least terribly honest and objective about describing what it is, to the limited degree it is understood. but the subject does not know itself. being a human is a ridiculous illusion. a separate self does not even exist. it's not our fault that things are complicated and INFJ are certainly not helping anyone to understand typology, i mean as if any INFJ had ever been able to explain what Ni does. the INFJ subject can't see itself either.

 

[nanook]

another thing that has driven me nuts about mbti is this idea that intuition is about seing possibilities. you guys have to know how retarded this is. it may be true that entp and enfp see possibilities in objective life. but as introverts with Ne we see theoretical possibilities about aliens or about everything that could go wrong, when we approach a girl. we are not magically picking up job openings or similar possibilities of reality. ISXP are lightyears ahead in this arena. they actually live in reality, not in a moebius painting. if you are the McGiver of functioning everywhere inside of society, you are not INFP. carl jung has described INFP as possibly the most useless type, from the perspective of society.

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and then this bullshit about Si being good memory, i am demented! luckily i never believed in this crap. i have picked up on the pattern of what Si is early in my typology process, reading something from carl jung. at the time i had the believe that my functions are NiFeSiTe. i knew that images like those from moebius and many other concept-artist's say more about Si than a few words could say. yes, they are inspired by intuition. but intuition is process, you can not paint process. visuals can only hint at intuition. the love of romantically composed color schemes and love of most harmonious organic shapes is Si. the love of decay, of vintage patterns like they are everywhere in star wars may be a hint at intuition. to me it means that things seem dead and shallow, if they are not going with time. i hate polished shoes.

 

[Reluctantly]

I'm driven by a desire to live that I can only describe as a flame whirling about as everything around it attempts to crush and cave it into nothingness. It's very passionate, but it's a cold passion. It's a passion that's very ethically-minded, wants to find people that value humanism, feels destroyed around anything less. Can't love anything less. Is not weak, will defend humanistic beliefs with relentless assertiveness, with death, because anything less isn't worth being a part of or living in. Is disgusted by anything less, but pretends otherwise.

I don't think any of that is very INxx or really any type I suppose.

 

[Architect]

This is a rather meaningless question. As a statistical science a type is just an aggregate, so therefore all of us all deviate from our type according to some distribution. Who cares about the details of dust motes?

It would be interesting if somebody said "I'm a gold medal boxer and an MBTI certified INTP". Now that would be unusual, but you're not going to find that here (well a boxer had his brains mashed so much he'd have trouble typing or something probably anyhow).

 

[redbaron]

I'm driven by a desire to live that I can only describe as a flame whirling about as everything around it attempts to crush and cave it into nothingness. It's very passionate, but it's a cold passion. It's a passion that's very ethically-minded, wants to find people that value humanism, feels destroyed around anything less. Can't love anything less. Is not weak, will defend humanistic beliefs with relentless assertiveness, with death, because anything less isn't worth being a part of or living in. Is disgusted by anything less, but pretends otherwise.

I don't think any of that is very INxx or really any type I suppose.

That's not so strange really.

 

[Jennywocky]

Well, I used to be more hardcore rationalist but I embrace abstraction nowadays more... which can include emotion and the arts. IOW, I can read people pretty well and engage on a primal level, even if I'm not much for contrived sentimentalist. The thing is, I still can make fun of the same things that I'm good at... deconstructing it so to speak.

I think it's along the lines of the more T vs more N INTP style.

This is a rather meaningless question. As a statistical science a type is just an aggregate, so therefore all of us all deviate from our type according to some distribution. Who cares about the details of dust motes?

Lol.

<-- wait, do INTPs even give high fives?

 

[Cherry Cola]

This is a rather meaningless question. As a statistical science a type is just an aggregate, so therefore all of us all deviate from our type according to some distribution. Who cares about the details of dust motes?

It would be interesting if somebody said "I'm a gold medal boxer and an MBTI certified INTP". Now that would be unusual, but you're not going to find that here (well a boxer had his brains mashed so much he'd have trouble typing or something probably anyhow).

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the thread.

But it any case it isn't as if though there couldn't potentially exist patterns to be found in the way people deviate as well

would it have been more meaningful if the thread had just gone ahead and proposed subtypes? :S

furthermore, it would not be interesting to see a gold medal boxer INTP because you would never have accepted it, indeed your view of how MBTI and the functions work is such that there couldn't be any INTP footballer. If someone presented one you would've said "well he chooses to play football and he's good at it therefore he uses Se, he's just got some INTP:ish side interests" (I recall how you insisted that SpaceYeti was an ISTP because he liked going to the gym)

Betcha you don't accept Asia Carrera as an INTP either!

 

[Jennywocky]

Betcha you don't accept Asia Carrera as an INTP either!

I've been on her FaceBook friends list for 1-2 years probably, and if I had to judge based on her long-term posting style, I wouldn't think she was. I think she's extremely intelligent, but she comes across as very extroverted (some type of EP) based on what she talks about and how she talks about it.

You don't have to be an INTP to have a remarkable intelligence... INTPs are just the cliche for smarts.

 

[Architect]

wait, do INTPs even give high fives?

My INTP kid and I touch fingertips and whisper "spy buddies ..." (from a Spongebob episode).

Ifurthermore, it would not be interesting to see a gold medal boxer INTP because you would never have accepted it

That's why I said "MBTI certified" (sucker punch!)

 

[Cherry Cola]

I've been on her FaceBook friends list for 1-2 years probably, and if I had to judge based on her long-term posting style, I wouldn't think she was. I think she's extremely intelligent, but she comes across as very extroverted (some type of EP) based on what she talks about and how she talks about it.

You don't have to be an INTP to have a remarkable intelligence... INTPs are just the cliche for smarts.

Oo, then she must be ENTP. Or I dunno. I'm totally following her now. Never thought about that.

 

[Jennywocky]

Oo, then she must be ENTP. Or I dunno. I'm totally following her now. Never thought about that.

She's very precocious (and very talented -- she's a fine pianist too), but she's usually talking non-stop about her kids, events in her life, or her emotional state. NTP facebook pages, even if they do mention such things, typically veer into other areas at least half the time.

She doesn't seem nearly as rough and tumble as the female ENTPs I know... certainly lots of fire, but a different style. I don't know how to explain it.

So I can't vouch for what she is... but hey, I'm her friend on FB, I think she's pretty cool.

 

[TheManBeyond]

 

[Mordecai]

I'm an INTP who for all his life has been surrounded by ENFPs. My mother is one, my sister, and one of my best friends. I think I'm very fortunate to have such exposure, because it allows me to comprehend other peoples' problems (to a degree), and more importantly it allows me to see the importance of emotions in general. Many INTPs allegedly dismiss emotions and don't allow it to affect their decisions. I take into account emotions constantly when making decisions, or at least, when emotions play a factor in what I am deciding. In addition, I see how emotions affect other people and adjust my behavior accordingly. I like to see myself as a very popular kid in a very quirky way. I'm not downright loved by everyone, but I have a large circle of friends and I attribute it to my exposure to ENFPs.

I'm very interested to see if others are the same way, and whether or not they have spent a lot of time around ENFPs or other emotion based personality types.

I apologize if I'm wrong in guessing that at least a handful of INTPs disregard emotions, because although many official sites suggest this is true, forums often suggest INTPs feel emotions just like anyone else

 

[Yellow]

I apologize if I'm wrong in guessing that at least a handful of INTPs disregard emotions, because although many official sites suggest this is true, forums often suggest INTPs feel emotions just like anyone else

I think a mature INTP can experience the full range of human emotion, use his emotions constructively, and effectively set them aside while making decisions and recalling events.

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Immature ones seem to either disregard emotions entirely, possibly as a knee-jerk reaction to being exposed to too many feelers; or they can be petulant, getting butt-hurt every time something comes close to poking at their pride. Or both.

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the thread.

I agree. There were a few purposes:

1. There are a ridiculous number of threads taking on a "how neatly do you fit into a personality box?" theme, and I thought asking about deviations would be fun. I would have put it in "fun", but I was afraid it would be redirected here anyway.

2. Because I wanted to see patterns (I've had this funny sub-type idea rolling around in my head for about 5 years, but I've had no professional chances to play with it [nor even in grad school] because MBTI and socionics are considered rather hokey in the science end of the psychology pool)

3. I am secretly hoping that my own deviations make me a unique and special butterfly

 

[QuickTwist]

If I'm not happy with my type I just take another test >.<

 

[JimJambones]

I am type human. I enjoy the humanities, the arts, and family life almost as much I enjoy problem solving,philosophy, and the sciences. It all keeps me balanced. Sometimes I cry at random parts of a movie. I'm such a pussy. Speaking of pussy, I've never had too much trouble in that department either. I'm uncouth today; someone wash my mouth out with soap.