Hi everybody! :)

[ginoskein]

Hi,

My real name is Joseph; "ginoskein" is just a word Heraclitus (the most amazing philosopher of all time!) uses to refer to a kind of subjective insight that seems to escape "specialized" or "professional" inquiry (I'm not claiming to have it--I might--I just really like the idea. I am pretty sure I am an INFP. After reading SkyWalker's (?) descriptions of the INFP/INTP types I can't really doubt it anymore.

I'm a religious person (Catholic), but in the last year I've discovered what seem to be some interesting dichotomies between the formalized systems of theology and praxis and the subjective spiritual experience of people in general. Formalization and logicalization of that subjective experience (which was the major project of the so-called "Thomistic" theological and spiritual research program) appears to obscure its depth, rather open it more widely. It always helps of course to invent new words and relations, but to make the newly minted words an end in themselves (which appears to be a tendency in Western theology)...

Oh no! I'm sorry. I'm going off on a tangent here into one of my current interests. But won't that introduce me better than anything else?

Anyway, I've been delving into the Eastern Christian spiritual writings and liturgy and even joined an Eastern Catholic--Melkite or Antiochian--community. That's partly what has catalyzed this new matrix of perceptions for me. It's all very beautiful and exciting!

I guess I'm here because a year ago I met an INTP female who helped me very much to see a lot of significant things about myself. One of them was that I was using (what I now know to be from subsequent reading linked to from this forum) inferior fiunctions of my natural personality.

I'll just end here.

Best to all of you,
Joseph (ginoskein)

 

[Introspective]

Welcome to our base.

 

[ginoskein]

Welcome to our base.

Thank you

 

[Proletar]

Hi, Dr. Nick!


Good to have you. If you fear death and the haunting clarity of our morbid universe, go away. Otherwise, partake in the journey of the INTP. No matter where it may lead.

Truth - the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Forum INTP. It's continuing mission: To explore strange new worlds... To seek new life; new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!

Edit: With Cognisant, and Architect as Mr. Spock.

 

[ginoskein]

Hi, Dr. Nick!


Good to have you. If you fear death and the haunting clarity of our morbid universe, go away. Otherwise, partake in the journey of the INTP. No matter where it may lead.

Truth - the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Forum INTP. It's continuing mission: To explore strange new worlds... To seek new life; new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!

Edit: With Cognisant, and Architect as Mr. Spock.

I have doubts about whether I can partake. INFP and INTP: the F and the T in those are fascinated by each other because neither seems able to go where the other goes. It is one of the most acute differences within a massive amount of similarity I've ever known.

I feel that a melding of the two is capable of incredible things. But where is the key to that?

 

[Duxwing]

I have doubts about whether I can partake. INFP and INTP: the F and the T in those are fascinated by each other because neither seems able to go where the other goes. It is one of the most acute differences within a massive amount of similarity I've ever known.

I feel that a melding of the two is capable of incredible things. But where is the key to that?

The F type creates beautiful imaginary worlds that inspire the T type to discover the world around the two. Exhausted from his journey, the T type then returns bearing the interesting fruits of his journeys, which in turn spur the F type to ever greater feats of creation, thus completing the cycle.

-Duxwing

 

[Proletar]

I have doubts about whether I can partake. INFP and INTP: the F and the T in those are fascinated by each other because neither seems able to go where the other goes. It is one of the most acute differences within a massive amount of similarity I've ever known.

I feel that a melding of the two is capable of incredible things. But where is the key to that?

What I've aquired from my studies regarding inferior functions is that they are the most active during negative experiences. Take your first memory for example, given that Si is a tertiary function for us. Good one or bad one? In mine, I got punched in the face... I'd call it a bad memory. My ex-girlfriend (burn in hell, bitch) was an ESTJ on the other hand (Si as primary function). Hers was being dragged on a sled by her mother.

Given that we share the same interests, you should be able to Ne my views and deal with them on a different dimension, and vice versa. Since my (or really the general INTPs) feeling function is mostly active during negative experiences, your insights could possibly make up for all the depressive stuff that I find during my voyages.

Similarely, I would think that your ice-cold perceptional thinking snaps open during shock, or atleast stressful times. When you really analyze, it's not good stuff. I could then in those situations, again, help you in providing a more balanced logic. I think that's what you are looking for in the INTP - you and I are able to help eachother in times of crisis.


Plus, we can share the stuff we find. It's not like one can't go and the other one can. It's just that in each direction, one has to lead.

 

[Da Blob]

Welcome!
Indeed it is the community, as the Body of Christ, that is the proof of sound doctrine. Many denominations simply can not derive real communion/community from their dogmas and separatist's philosophies.

BTW - I am the long-endured, token Christian in this forum of skeptics...

 

[ginoskein]

The F type creates beautiful imaginary worlds that inspire the T type to discover the world around the two. Exhausted from his journey, the T type then returns bearing the interesting fruits of his journeys, which in turn spur the F type to ever greater feats of creation, thus completing the cycle.

-Duxwing

This is beautiful! And I've experienced it... it was only beginning... sadly not ever again I fear ... but I pray and try to keep trusting...

 

[own8ge]

Why do you touch kids?

 

[ginoskein]

What did I say that prompted you to ask that question?

I don't touch kids unless it is to keep them from walking into something or falling over or otherwise coming to physical harm. In fact, I try not to touch anybody of any age unless they have made it clear they don't mind hugs or a hand shake. I won't even offer my hand to women unless they offer theirs first.

I've noticed that people in this culture are pretty touchy when it comes to touch. My family has never been like that, and I've had to become conscious of the fact that other people (at least from THIS country) generally are. I have noticed, however, that people of native Arabic or Italian upbringing are not so averse to physical contact with their fellow man. Everybody from those cultures always seems constantly to be kissing each other and hugging totally in public. It's beautiful.

Of course, they also don't seem to have grown up hating the fact that they were part of a family like most Americans seem to. I never really understood that mentality either. I love my family.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Hey! Listen!


Welcome to the forum

 

[ginoskein]

Thank you

 

[ginoskein]

What I've aquired from my studies regarding inferior functions is that they are the most active during negative experiences. Take your first memory for example, given that Si is a tertiary function for us. Good one or bad one? In mine, I got punched in the face... I'd call it a bad memory. My ex-girlfriend (burn in hell, bitch) was an ESTJ on the other hand (Si as primary function). Hers was being dragged on a sled by her mother.

I'm really sorry that happened to you :/

Mine seem to be good. Or at least I have no strong memories of negative sensations when I was very young. I do, however, have strong memories of what, to me, were dark interpersonal experiences (usually involving some form of psychological or verbal abuse by other boys). However, I was accidentally dropped by someone as an infant or toddler (can't remember which nor do I remember the event itself).

Given that we share the same interests, you should be able to Ne my views and deal with them on a different dimension, and vice versa. Since my (or really the general INTPs) feeling function is mostly active during negative experiences, your insights could possibly make up for all the depressive stuff that I find during my voyages.

Yes. This seems like a closely accurate description (from my point of view at any rate) of my experience with another INTP. I say closely, I think, because my interests differed somewhat from hers (sometimes extensively), but her knowledge base (which was impressively highly detailed concerning the things that she was interested in) expanded my perspective on my own interests in ways I am only beginning to understand (it's really a strange experience; almost like having someone next to you engaging in an incisive, running commentary on all your experiences; exhilarating and emotionally confusing at times).

Similarely, I would think that your ice-cold perceptional thinking snaps open during shock, or atleast stressful times. When you really analyze, it's not good stuff. I could then in those situations, again, help you in providing a more balanced logic. I think that's what you are looking for in the INTP - you and I are able to help eachother in times of crisis.

Oh boy is this accurate. When I'm under emotional stress from outside sources (usually people), my Ti starts going crazy with absurdly far-reaching analytics about the origins of what is happening and how I can extract myself from or solve the situation. I've discovered that this part of me is almost entirely untrustworthy when applied to people; so I've decided the best solution is always to err on extending the benefit of the doubt. Conversely, though, that could easily get me into situations where people could take advantage of me. But I can't trust myself in this realm anymore.

Plus, we can share the stuff we find. It's not like one can't go and the other one can. It's just that in each direction, one has to lead.

Yes, yes. Very beautiful description.

 

[Kirsanov]

Hi,

My real name is Joseph; "ginoskein" is just a word Heraclitus (the most amazing philosopher of all time!) uses to refer to a kind of subjective insight that seems to escape "specialized" or "professional" inquiry (I'm not claiming to have it--I might--I just really like the idea. I am pretty sure I am an INFP. After reading SkyWalker's (?) descriptions of the INFP/INTP types I can't really doubt it anymore.

I'm a religious person (Catholic), but in the last year I've discovered what seem to be some interesting dichotomies between the formalized systems of theology and praxis and the subjective spiritual experience of people in general. Formalization and logicalization of that subjective experience (which was the major project of the so-called "Thomistic" theological and spiritual research program) appears to obscure its depth, rather open it more widely. It always helps of course to invent new words and relations, but to make the newly minted words an end in themselves (which appears to be a tendency in Western theology)...

Oh no! I'm sorry. I'm going off on a tangent here into one of my current interests. But won't that introduce me better than anything else?

Anyway, I've been delving into the Eastern Christian spiritual writings and liturgy and even joined an Eastern Catholic--Melkite or Antiochian--community. That's partly what has catalyzed this new matrix of perceptions for me. It's all very beautiful and exciting!

I guess I'm here because a year ago I met an INTP female who helped me very much to see a lot of significant things about myself. One of them was that I was using (what I now know to be from subsequent reading linked to from this forum) inferior fiunctions of my natural personality.

I'll just end here.

Best to all of you,
Joseph (ginoskein)

Hello Joseph,

I am a Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic living in the states. If you ever want to discuss Catholicism and Orthodoxy then I have ears to listen and a few words of my own experience. At this moment I am not really sure of my type so I have an active thread open. Welcome to the community, and I hope to hear from you soon. Merry Christmas!

 

[Vrecknidj]

I have doubts about whether I can partake. INFP and INTP: the F and the T in those are fascinated by each other because neither seems able to go where the other goes. It is one of the most acute differences within a massive amount of similarity I've ever known.

I feel that a melding of the two is capable of incredible things. But where is the key to that?

I'm an INTP, my wife is an INFP. I'm not sure this is such a key, but, it's given me insights into the INFP mind.

Dave