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Hello, I am a friend of Snowqueen's from the college which is how I found this site. But more importantly, because this is an intellectual form, is that I am an activist for woman's rights and an opposer of the patriarchy.

My avatar is to make a point and make it hard. Nobody even pays attention to these issues anymore nowadays, and that's why my avatar is what it is.

I think that it's important for forums such as this, where there is discussion, to be fully aware of these issues and mindful not to say anything which would violate the rights of self-proud women.

Anyway hello intpforum. I'm glad to have found this site because I think it is a good avenue to collect my thoughts and present my views in a way which facilitates cross-gender acceptance accommodation of the rights of women as presented by the league for Legal Dominance Feminism. I have seen a disturbing lack of awareness of this need amongst supposedly intellectual young males, and as an old woman with a moral concience think its important to do my best to improve this.

I look forward to discussing with you all and also the herstory of such issues.
 
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I don't like how because of Hitler(and the Nazis') use of the swastika made it into a negative connotation. It is the symbol of the sun and a symbol or power according to its traditional use. There are also a few variations of it. I don't know what led the Nazi movement to believe they were the people of the sun but maybe they were just more concerned with power. Obliterated by their blind use of such power. the swastika was present in many cultures across the planet for centuries, maybe even millenia. Not sure what this has to do with women's rights but I had to at least put that out there.
 

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Welcome Polly.

My guess is you are going to participate in some interesting debates...and not just with the young men here. There are some females here who might feel like debating one of your issues as well. Enjoy it! It will be fun.
 

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and that's why my avatar is what it is.

What is it exactly? It's meaning isn't precisely crystal clear.


I can sense some intense debates coming soon :smoker: *readies the popcorn*
 

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My avatar is to make a point and make it hard. Nobody even pays attention to these issues anymore nowadays

Possibly since the 1970s are long gone.

I think that it's important for forums such as this, where there is discussion, to be fully aware of these issues and mindful not to say anything which would violate the rights of self-proud women.
*laughs* People can say whatever they choose.

I'm glad to have found this site because I think it is a good avenue to collect my thoughts and present my views in a way which facilitates cross-gender acceptance accommodation of the rights of women as presented by the league for Legal Dominance Feminism.
Commas are your friends.

I have seen a disturbing lack of awareness of this need amongst supposedly intellectual young males
'Needs' are curious prescriptions from the self-confident tyrants of human thought.


...and as an old woman with a moral concience think its important to do my best to improve this.
I never had a conscience. Honestly. Nor morals neither. Therefore I have the luxury of acting instinctually and without feeling the necessity to impose my views on others.


Claverhouse :phear:
 

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I don't like how because of Hitler(and the Nazis') use of the swastika made it into a negative connotation.


As far as I remember, whilst most authors invoke some early nazis' [ and Himmler later ] devotion for the occult, in fact Hitler just thought it would be pretty. Plus they had a lot of red and white material.



Inappropriate Behavior said:
There are some females here who might feel like debating one of your issues as well.

Trolls don't really have issues.



Claverhouse :phear:
 

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Hello and welcome Polly, if I may call you by that name?

Firstly I think there is something good in being as intensely involved in life as you are. It is rare in this age where a person can easily disconnect from any troubles or hard feelings by simply allowing whatever media is close to them to fill their consciousness.

Secondly I really think that I may have some advice that could be of use to you. I don't mean to impose as you speak of college and so must be much older than I am. However, it is an Idea of Chinese heritage so perhaps you haven't been so exposed to it? If I am being inappropriate please do inform me, and I shall apologise.

My advice is that it is a much happier way of living to flow with what you wish to change and redirect it by subtle currents of thought and feeling and empathy. How you are acting now is as a single damn against a powerful river. It must surely fail and that which you set yourself against must surely overpower you. If you think its very important to change things, I think that's fine and maybe very admirable, but perhaps you would consider that opening yourself up and becoming sensitive to the humanity of others might help you both to reconcile with them and then affect change in accordance with your new understanding?

Once again, I don't mean to impose. I only say this because I truly believe that flowing and empathizing rather than forcefully rejecting and asserting is a more humane and fruitful way to experience this life we have. I think we really do not understand the cosmos enough to take such a strong position; I think that surrendering to its endless surprise and beauty and connection brings so much more excitement and depth into our lives than aggressively asserting our transitory agendas over whatever small part of it we have influence over. If we can and should do something to aid others and alleviate their suffering as you wish to do, it is surely much better to do this by empathy and subtlety than by trying to force the world to fit our ideals.

Harness is so brittle and rigid and transitory while water is so powerful and never ceases to affect entire world. Water gives birth to life and wonder while determining state of our planet

I hope this is helpful. If not then I apologise deeply.
Jin Jing.

Hello, I am a friend of Snowqueen's from the college which is how I found this site. But more importantly, because this is an intellectual form, is that I am an activist for woman's rights and an opposer of the patriarchy.

My avatar is to make a point and make it hard. Nobody even pays attention to these issues anymore nowadays, and that's why my avatar is what it is.

I think that it's important for forums such as this, where there is discussion, to be fully aware of these issues and mindful not to say anything which would violate the rights of self-proud women.

Anyway hello intpforum. I'm glad to have found this site because I think it is a good avenue to collect my thoughts and present my views in a way which facilitates cross-gender acceptance accommodation of the rights of women as presented by the league for Legal Dominance Feminism. I have seen a disturbing lack of awareness of this need amongst supposedly intellectual young males, and as an old woman with a moral concience think its important to do my best to improve this.

I look forward to discussing with you all and also the herstory of such issues.
 

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As a German, I feel mildly offended by your lax choice of avatar material.
 

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Hello, I am a friend of Snowqueen's from the college which is how I found this site. But more importantly, because this is an intellectual form, is that I am an activist for woman's rights and an opposer of the patriarchy.

My avatar is to make a point and make it hard. Nobody even pays attention to these issues anymore nowadays, and that's why my avatar is what it is.

I think that it's important for forums such as this, where there is discussion, to be fully aware of these issues and mindful not to say anything which would violate the rights of self-proud women.

Anyway hello intpforum. I'm glad to have found this site because I think it is a good avenue to collect my thoughts and present my views in a way which facilitates cross-gender acceptance accommodation of the rights of women as presented by the league for Legal Dominance Feminism. I have seen a disturbing lack of awareness of this need amongst supposedly intellectual young males, and as an old woman with a moral concience think its important to do my best to improve this.

I look forward to discussing with you all and also the herstory of such issues.

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PollyIsAQueen... will Polly do?
Anyway, if you can draw an intelligent correlation between AI rights and the feminist movement you'll earn a great deal of respect from me and my support where/when I feel it's appropriate. The reasoning behind this is that firstly, I care a great deal about AI rights, so via the correlation I will have perspective from which to likewise care about this cause too. Secondly, in order to make the correlation you will need to understand and sympathise with the cause I care about, thereby demonstrating open mindedness and the humility to accept that there are other highly valued causes out there than your own.

Understandably there's much about this request (indeed this entire post) that is questionable, not least of which being my right to make such a request in the first place, but you should know deconstructing and/or otherwise attacking this post will earn no respect or support from me, no matter how intelligently it is done.
 

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I am an activist for woman's rights and an opposer of the patriarchy

A) It's 2009. Not 1970.
B) Pay for your meal at restaurants.
C) While many are aware of swastika's history, nowadays it's associated with Nazi Germany. Using this symbol as an avatar is not the most wise thing to do.
 

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Greetings and welcome to the forum!

As a fellow suffragette, I'm impressed at the decisiveness with which you fight for the Cause. I have made some attempts to inspire debate around here, but have been most aggravatingly, and no doubt purposefully misunderstood by the puppets of the patriarchy.

Heil!
 

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Hello, I am a friend of Snowqueen's from the college which is how I found this site.

No you're not.

If you were you would have responded to my message asking you who you are in real life.

I hesitate to use the T word or the X word but they're in my head.

Anyone who uses a swastika as an avatar is automatically a fuckwit as far as I'm concerned.
 

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No you're not.

If you were you would have responded to my message asking you who you are in real life.

I hesitate to use the T word or the X word but they're in my head.

Anyone who uses a swastika as an avatar is automatically a fuckwit as far as I'm concerned.

Ah... and here I had just written this long speech about treading carefully as an aggressive personality when around INTPs... now it seems like it wouldn't have made much of an impact.

Maybe with a little increased confidence in spotting Ts we won't feel hesitant in pointing and laughing when its deserved.
 

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My avatar is to make a point and make it hard. Nobody even pays attention to these issues anymore nowadays, and that's why my avatar is what it is.

I'd say that triangle looks more pink than red, so the message I infer from you avatar may be horrendously distorted from the message you may believe you're making.

I am an activist for woman's rights and an opposer of the patriarchy.

Quite right, though I believe in a country still divided by major class barriers, universal equality is a much more major issue than simply focusing on one sex exlusively. Personally, I find it insulting that an intelligent person would limit themselves to simply advocating the rights of one sex over another, and I would hope that you yourself simply stop at equality, and don't focus on positive discrimination, as positive discrimination is simply a euthamism.

I think that it's important for forums such as this, where there is discussion, to be fully aware of these issues and mindful not to say anything which would violate the rights of self-proud women.

I for one am proud of my ability to violate the rights of any person, male or female, objectively. Rights are an illusion created by people who feel they are owed something by people who have convinced everyone else that they deserve what they have.

I have seen a disturbing lack of awareness of this need amongst supposedly intellectual young males

People can be intelligent and subjectively biased. Discounting one on account of the other is a fallacy one must attempt not to fall into.

Greetings and welcome to the forum!

As a fellow suffragette, I'm impressed at the decisiveness with which you fight for the Cause. I have made some attempts to inspire debate around here, but have been most aggravatingly, and no doubt purposefully misunderstood by the puppets of the patriarchy.

Heil!

Heil five. *Insert hi five smiley* As I'm sure we're all aware, suffrage is something that needs to be given to those in society who are unable to make intelligent decisions on their own. Fact.

::EDIT::

Ah... and here I had just written this long speech about treading carefully as an aggressive personality when around INTPs... now it seems like it wouldn't have made much of an impact.

Maybe with a little increased confidence in spotting Ts we won't feel hesitant in pointing and laughing when its deserved.

But isn't the whole point of Ts to argue with them, and cultivateour own intelligence by basking in their self imposed ignorance?
 

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It seems obvious that Miss Polly is trying to troll here. Someone who would be genuinely interested in an intellectual debatte wouldn't use such an avatar and wouldn't pretend to be a friend of a forum member.

What an odd time, false friends and Chinese people everywhere you look! Don't feed them.
 

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But isn't the whole point of Ts to argue with them, and cultivateour own intelligence by basking in their self imposed ignorance?

I apologize, by Ts I meant the T word, or Troll. The black and white thinking is so strong they remind me a reverse-biased diode. Sure there's gray area in the middle, but nothing non-hypothetical falls into that category. That quality is pretty indicative of troll behavior.

Godwin's Law states that the first person to references Hitler or Nazis in an argument loses. By self referencing both (via the 88 in their other post) they appear to be trying to draw us into a quandary where we try to support the pro-woman side of the argument while we attack the pro-Holocaust side. I believe the intent of the post is to divide us into arguing with each other in order to destabilize our environment. Face was better at it.

___

So let's say I'm wrong and the poster simply came onto the forum in a foul mood and with a chip on their shoulder. Perhaps we should give them some benefit of the doubt.

___

So Polly... are you an INTP? and if so, how did you find out?
 

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I apologize, by Ts I meant the T word, or Troll. The black and white thinking are so strong they remind me a reverse-biased diode. Sure there's gray area in the middle, but nothing non-hypothetical falls into that category. That quality is pretty indicative of troll behavior.

That's precisely how I interpreted your post, don't worry. I was attempting to be ironic though, as the internet has proven time and again, text is not the best way to communicate anything other than utmost sincerity.
 

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and Chinese people everywhere you look!

I couldn't help myself but be confused by this. I know that Chinese have a very bad reputation on internet because of things like youtube comments. I hope that people don't believe everybody in China thinks in that way. I think maybe people suspect that we are all brainwashed communists because of behavior of political party supporters on internet media.

But just so you know, my parent canceled my English learning lessons because they found me reading libertarian literature. I am not libertarian but I do try to be curious and open minded as I can despite my parents and friends views. I am not very interested in politics any more but I don't support regime in modern China. It is cold and harsh to me.

I think I must have misunderstood your comment. Perhaps there is one Chinese person you have in mind and I don't understand the context or joke or some other relevant information.
 

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I am Chinese.

Albeit Singaporean Chinese. :angel:

edit: Oh lord its a feminist. I cannot understand for the life of me why one would see the need to 'make a point' on this forum when we intps are already highly androgynous mentally and somewhat physically.

If intps ran the world there would be no gender issues, so there is no need for activism here.
 

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I'm thankful :). I'm sorry I tend to be too nervous about these things because I can't really say what I think in Chinese culture and people always seem to expect something very different from what I am after hearing that I'm mainland Chinese.

I look forward to seeing you around the forum, Oblivious.
 

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Oh my, this is an interesting introit! A Nazi Feminist here to make points! Well, you've found an audience, that's for sure. But as someone has previously said, we INTPs tend to be quite androgynous and indifferent towards the perceptions of gender. As for the battle of the sexes in dominance of the society, I think patriarchal systems are more advantageous in war and the quest for power and dominance, while matriarchal systems are more advantageous for harmony and peace. It's inevitable that power would outspread peace. You can't peacefully overtake other people's land.. great examples of other animals splitting off between patriarchs and matriarchs are the chimpanzees and the bonobos. Chimpanzees are violent and aggressive in their system of government, but also have acquired more land. Bonobos are peace lovin' hippies, but they don't have much land. Please explain the hard hitting point you're trying to make with the arguably offensive swastika, I'd love to hear it.

Oh and damaged.goods nice usage of neon genesis! Finally someone uses an anime avatar I recognize!
 

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Welcome Polly.

My guess is you are going to participate in some interesting debates...and not just with the young men here. There are some females here who might feel like debating one of your issues as well. Enjoy it! It will be fun.

I appreciate your approval and look forward to such debates very much. People in offline life seem not to want to talk to me about these things so think this is the right place for me to do so. Perhaps because the patriarchy hasn't yet completely asserted itself over the internet as it has over academic institution.

What is it exactly? It's meaning isn't precisely crystal clear.


I can sense some intense debates coming soon :smoker: *readies the popcorn*


The inverted pink triangle stands for a vagina and the swastika is a sun symbol which means the power and light is shining out from the natural radiance of the vagina instead of being given to it by the male phallus. The swastika was herstorically a male phallic and solar symbol and my use of it is an attack on the symbolic hegemny of the patrists. I do not appreciate your frivolous tone though. You should treat these very real issues with more respect.


Possibly since the 1970s are long gone.

*laughs* People can say whatever they choose.

Commas are your friends.

'Needs' are curious prescriptions from the self-confident tyrants of human thought.



I never had a conscience. Honestly. Nor morals neither. Therefore I have the luxury of acting instinctually and without feeling the necessity to impose my views on others.


Claverhouse :phear:

You are an unthinking vessel for the agend of the patriarchists. These issues were definitely not solved in the 1970s as that is a myth widely perpetuated by the stooges of the patriarchy in an attempt to make it seem unrespectable to discuss these issues seriously. They know that enough has been done to quiet the masses while there is actually still a big mountain to climb before female natural dominance is realised as it rightly should be. I advise you widen your range of reading to non-patriarchal sources and also start to use your brain a little more than you do currently. You should also develop your conscience if you do not wish to be a worthless parasite on the efforts of those honest and true human beings who devote their lives to bettering humanity. I spit on your phallic apathy.

Hello and welcome Polly, if I may call you by that name?

Firstly I think there is something good in being as intensely involved in life as you are. It is rare in this age where a person can easily disconnect from any troubles or hard feelings by simply allowing whatever media is close to them to fill their consciousness.

Secondly I really think that I may have some advice that could be of use to you. I don't mean to impose as you speak of college and so must be much older than I am. However, it is an Idea of Chinese heritage so perhaps you haven't been so exposed to it? If I am being inappropriate please do inform me, and I shall apologise.

My advice is that it is a much happier way of living to flow with what you wish to change and redirect it by subtle currents of thought and feeling and empathy. How you are acting now is as a single damn against a powerful river. It must surely fail and that which you set yourself against must surely overpower you. If you think its very important to change things, I think that's fine and maybe very admirable, but perhaps you would consider that opening yourself up and becoming sensitive to the humanity of others might help you both to reconcile with them and then affect change in accordance with your new understanding?

Once again, I don't mean to impose. I only say this because I truly believe that flowing and empathizing rather than forcefully rejecting and asserting is a more humane and fruitful way to experience this life we have. I think we really do not understand the cosmos enough to take such a strong position; I think that surrendering to its endless surprise and beauty and connection brings so much more excitement and depth into our lives than aggressively asserting our transitory agendas over whatever small part of it we have influence over. If we can and should do something to aid others and alleviate their suffering as you wish to do, it is surely much better to do this by empathy and subtlety than by trying to force the world to fit our ideals.

Harness is so brittle and rigid and transitory while water is so powerful and never ceases to affect entire world. Water gives birth to life and wonder while determining state of our planet

I hope this is helpful. If not then I apologise deeply.
Jin Jing.


You are out of line, yes. I have lived for many more decades than you and don't need the kung-fu advice of a silly little Chinese girl who probably has been sheltered from the real world by her brainwashing patriarchal pseudo-communist government. I think you should read some real feminist literature, especially about LEGAL DOMINANCE FEMINISM, if you really want to understand the opression of humanity by men throughotu history. As far as I remember FungSHui or whatever it is your speaking about was a male born religion which accepted teh demotion of females to housewife-slaves.

I accept your apology though. I just think you need to broaden your horizons in the right way. Your not really entitled to speak on these topics unless you have traveled outside fantasy-land communist China.

As a German, I feel mildly offended by your lax choice of avatar material.

As an activist I feel that this is irrelevant so long as patriarchal supression continues. My point is that swashstickers are causes of disgust because they symbolise opression yet people are so hypocritical that they syphon of all this disgust into one symbol instead of the reality of their submission to the solar-phallic hierarchical patriarchy.

PollyIsAQueen... will Polly do?
Anyway, if you can draw an intelligent correlation between AI rights and the feminist movement you'll earn a great deal of respect from me and my support where/when I feel it's appropriate. The reasoning behind this is that firstly, I care a great deal about AI rights, so via the correlation I will have perspective from which to likewise care about this cause too. Secondly, in order to make the correlation you will need to understand and sympathise with the cause I care about, thereby demonstrating open mindedness and the humility to accept that there are other highly valued causes out there than your own.

Understandably there's much about this request (indeed this entire post) that is questionable, not least of which being my right to make such a request in the first place, but you should know deconstructing and/or otherwise attacking this post will earn no respect or support from me, no matter how intelligently it is done.

Mrs. Polly is fine, I dislike the patriarchal connotations of just ''Polly''. That's how rich men used to adress their secretaries. I think you have a point, yes. I think that given that women constitute half of the human race approximately they should be the primary focus for freedom from subjugation but that once that is acheieved it would be a logical extension of the egalitarian feminist perspective to focus on the freedom of all sentient entities from the solar-phallic hegemony.

A) It's 2009. Not 1970.
B) Pay for your meal at restaurants.
C) While many are aware of swastika's history, nowadays it's associated with Nazi Germany. Using this symbol as an avatar is not the most wise thing to do.

You are a mindless vessell of the patriarchy. I have no more business with such flippant dismissal. I reserve my right to be agressive as any Slave should reserve their right to agressively overthrow the tyranny of their so called owners. Freedom does not come from accomodating negotiation with tyrants.

Greetings and welcome to the forum!

As a fellow suffragette, I'm impressed at the decisiveness with which you fight for the Cause. I have made some attempts to inspire debate around here, but have been most aggravatingly, and no doubt purposefully misunderstood by the puppets of the patriarchy.

Heil!

Hello comrade (sister?). I am unspeakably thankful to find support around here. I am sure that we may continue these debates in a less one sided way in future.

Heil!


I'd say that triangle looks more pink than red, so the message I infer from you avatar may be horrendously distorted from the message you may believe you're making.



Quite right, though I believe in a country still divided by major class barriers, universal equality is a much more major issue than simply focusing on one sex exlusively. Personally, I find it insulting that an intelligent person would limit themselves to simply advocating the rights of one sex over another, and I would hope that you yourself simply stop at equality, and don't focus on positive discrimination, as positive discrimination is simply a euthamism.



I for one am proud of my ability to violate the rights of any person, male or female, objectively. Rights are an illusion created by people who feel they are owed something by people who have convinced everyone else that they deserve what they have.



People can be intelligent and subjectively biased. Discounting one on account of the other is a fallacy one must attempt not to fall into.



Heil five. *Insert hi five smiley* As I'm sure we're all aware, suffrage is something that needs to be given to those in society who are unable to make intelligent decisions on their own. Fact.

::EDIT::



But isn't the whole point of Ts to argue with them, and cultivateour own intelligence by basking in their self imposed ignorance?

I think you are a comrade in spirit if not in direct cause. Yes I agree with you mostly but I think that our predominant concern should be the largest subjugated group: half of humanity, womankind. When such a large group is subject to the domination of the patriarchy there is little hope of altering such a deeply twisted culture to allow liberation for other persecuted minorities. Please read my words to cognisant.

I think you do not really beleive what you say about rights though. I'll ignore it as silly ideas put into your head by the cultural engineers so won't argue with you about it.


It seems obvious that Miss Polly is trying to troll here. Someone who would be genuinely interested in an intellectual debatte wouldn't use such an avatar and wouldn't pretend to be a friend of a forum member.

All sucessful activists must grab the attention of the sleeping public. It is always the dominant class the patriarchy who try to smear them by calling them ''terrorists'' or ''radical'' or ''trolls''. I reject your distortive tactics.


I apologize, by Ts I meant the T word, or Troll. The black and white thinking is so strong they remind me a reverse-biased diode. Sure there's gray area in the middle, but nothing non-hypothetical falls into that category. That quality is pretty indicative of troll behavior.

Godwin's Law states that the first person to references Hitler or Nazis in an argument loses. By self referencing both (via the 88 in their other post) they appear to be trying to draw us into a quandary where we try to support the pro-woman side of the argument while we attack the pro-Holocaust side. I believe the intent of the post is to divide us into arguing with each other in order to destabilize our environment. Face was better at it.

___

So let's say I'm wrong and the poster simply came onto the forum in a foul mood and with a chip on their shoulder. Perhaps we should give them some benefit of the doubt.

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So Polly... are you an INTP? and if so, how did you find out?


I have been made very bitter by years of rejection of my cause but I am not doing what you said I was. Everything extreme in relation to prevailing norms seems black and white to those within the norms but that doesn't mean that the norms themeselves aren't wrong. When the scale itself is changed so that the previous extreme is closer to a norm then its not black and white. That is my answer to you.

Yes I do have a somewhat hostile temper with regards to patriarchs but I'm sure that the content of the debate and not the tone is more important to all of us who are true intellectuals.

Yes I am an INTP and I found out when an occupational therapist offered me to take the test off the record (her university did not support MBTI oficially).

I am Chinese.

Albeit Singaporean Chinese. :angel:

edit: Oh lord its a feminist. I cannot understand for the life of me why one would see the need to 'make a point' on this forum when we intps are already highly androgynous mentally and somewhat physically.

If intps ran the world there would be no gender issues, so there is no need for activism here.

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I just have to ask, is there anything that anybody can do or think without it being the result of the patriarchal tyranny that oppresses and brain washes us all? I'm not one to deny that there are societal pressures that influence the way we all think about other people, but you seem to have taken it beyond the point of paranoia, seeing 'enemies' in people that don't agree with your own strict, narrow perspective and dismissing them as "unthinking vessels for the patriarchy". It appears that you are attempting to make yourself out as a victim so that anything said in opposition to you is merely more of your 'enemies' attempting to victimize you further.
 

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They know that enough has been done to quiet the masses while there is actually still a big mountain to climb before female natural dominance is realised as it rightly should be.

This is my problem with feminism. They're aren't seeking equality, they're seeking superiority.
 

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Oh jeez... it's either a troll or a real activist (is there a difference?).

You are a mindless vessell of the patriarchy. I have no more business with such flippant dismissal. I reserve my right to be agressive as any Slave should reserve their right to agressively overthrow the tyranny of their so called owners. Freedom does not come from accomodating negotiation with tyrants.

Don't you think you're... well, um... overreacting just a bit? :)
 

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Well, I guess that will lead to nothing...

As an activist I feel that this is irrelevant so long as patriarchal supression continues. My point is that swashstickers are causes of disgust because they symbolise opression yet people are so hypocritical that they syphon of all this disgust into one symbol instead of the reality of their submission to the solar-phallic hierarchical patriarchy.

No, you are wrong. It symbolizes the murder of millions of innocent people.
You actively ridicule all victims of the Nazi dictature.

You could say that every government in Earth history is opressive from a certain point of view, some more than others. Thus, your argument is invalid.
 

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I think you are a comrade in spirit if not in direct cause. Yes I agree with you mostly but I think that our predominant concern should be the largest subjugated group: half of humanity, womankind. When such a large group is subject to the domination of the patriarchy there is little hope of altering such a deeply twisted culture to allow liberation for other persecuted minorities. Please read my words to cognisant.

I think you do not really beleive what you say about rights though. I'll ignore it as silly ideas put into your head by the cultural engineers so won't argue with you about it.

By dismissing the most important part of my arguement simply because you don't believe it's something I believe is an insult both to yourself and to anyone who attempts to try and understand any other person's point of view. Had I simply agreed with you in no uncertain terms, you would have accepted that I was being completely sincere and would not have questioned my motives. Your treatment of Sugarpop's post is an example of precisely how narrow minded you were. Had you truly cared for accuracy, you would have easily jumped on the issue regarding suffrage, and yet you never.

I'm purposefully going to ignore what you say to other people until you decide that everything I have to say is relevent to understanding me as a person, and not simply to take things out of context, and label as and when it's convenient for you. I am taking precisely the same tact as you in a purely Kantian way.


My views on the nature of rights are based purely on observed events throughout history. They are an illusion, albeit a highly appealing one, much like democracy. You truly don't understand what I am, and what I stand for if you feel that I support your cause "in spirit". I do not, and will not, support any cause that seeks to simply insert itself into the current global political atmosphere in which society is based. The simple notions of a patriachy or matriachy are disgustingly insulting when held on the basis that either one is a viable system in which to run a country. When there is no known alternative, it could be argued that one has an advantage over the other for whatever reasons, but they simple fall into the trap of gender stereotyping, and are thusly insulting to all involved.

I'd like to think that as an INTP, you'd be able to understand the pure hypocrisy of advocating a matriachy over a patriachy.
 

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PollyWollyDoodle said:
People in offline life seem not to want to talk to me about these things


Say it ain't so...



Perhaps because the patriarchy hasn't yet completely asserted itself over the internet as it has over academic institution.

Actually, Academia has wholly institutionalized feminism and other Korrect causes into it's very being... To the point of making itself irrelevent and useless.


The inverted pink triangle stands for a vagina and the swastika is a sun symbol which means the power and light is shining out from the natural radiance of the vagina instead of being given to it by the male phallus.

Brilliant...

You are an unthinking vessel for the agend of the patriarchists. These issues were definitely not solved in the 1970s as that is a myth widely perpetuated by the stooges of the patriarchy in an attempt to make it seem unrespectable to discuss these issues seriously.
I never implied they had. I was pointing out that this was a weird sick obsession that was grounded in the 1970s and should be left in the dustbin of herstory.


You should also develop your conscience if you do not wish to be a worthless parasite on the efforts of those honest and true human beings who devote their lives to bettering humanity. I spit on your phallic apathy.
Morals are for the weak.

And humanity is always more at threat from those who seek it's betterment than from those who seek it's destruction. I would include the soviets and the nazis --- as well as the last half dozen and present American presidents --- amongst the former: however they, and feministas, are all heirs to the liberal tradition.


You are out of line, yes. I have lived for many more decades than you and don't need the kung-fu advice of a silly little Chinese girl who probably has been sheltered from the real world by her brainwashing patriarchal pseudo-communist government.
You conceive that the PRC is instituted to shelter it's subjects ?




Mrs. Polly is fine
Is not 'Mrs.' also a method of dehumanizing women to roles as concubines ?



...the content of the debate and not the tone is more important to all of us who are true intellectuals.
This affirms you have no direct contact with academia...



Claverhouse :phear:
 

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Points deducted for lacking the use of "womyn" and for not responding to Snowqueen's post.
 

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My advice is that it is a much happier way of living to flow with what you wish to change and redirect it by subtle currents of thought and feeling and empathy. How you are acting now is as a single damn against a powerful river. It must surely fail and that which you set yourself against must surely overpower you. If you think its very important to change things, I think that's fine and maybe very admirable, but perhaps you would consider that opening yourself up and becoming sensitive to the humanity of others might help you both to reconcile with them and then affect change in accordance with your new understanding?

Once again, I don't mean to impose. I only say this because I truly believe that flowing and empathizing rather than forcefully rejecting and asserting is a more humane and fruitful way to experience this life we have. I think we really do not understand the cosmos enough to take such a strong position; I think that surrendering to its endless surprise and beauty and connection brings so much more excitement and depth into our lives than aggressively asserting our transitory agendas over whatever small part of it we have influence over. If we can and should do something to aid others and alleviate their suffering as you wish to do, it is surely much better to do this by empathy and subtlety than by trying to force the world to fit our ideals.

This is incredibly insightful. Thank you for wording this so, well, wonderfully.
 

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Rights are an illusion created by people who feel they are owed something by people who have convinced everyone else that they deserve what they have.

This is true. Neither deserve anything, good nor bad.




As I'm sure we're all aware, suffrage is something that needs to be given to those in society who are unable to make intelligent decisions on their own. Fact.

Cute. Actually, no-one, stupid or clever, rich or poor, spiritual or materialistic, should ever be given a vote under any circumstance. I include myself.



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I vote that I can and should be able to vote. Who's gonna stop me?!:beatyou: I believe that democracy is a great system of government, though it requires conscientious individuals who remain informed and intelligent. It seems that all democracies eventually fail, but I can't think of any system of government better than a democratic republic.
 

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I'm glad a feminist isn't always a troll. I'm glad the original meaning of feminism had nothing to do with dominance and everything to do with equality.

We have discussed gender issues here, openly and rationally. There is no discrimination -that I can see- in this forum.

:cool:
 

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Cute. Actually, no-one, stupid or clever, rich or poor, spiritual or materialistic, should ever be given a vote under any circumstance. I include myself.

I believe that democracy is a great system of government, though it requires conscientious individuals who remain informed and intelligent. It seems that all democracies eventually fail, but I can't think of any system of government better than a democratic republic.

Both valid points, though I do believe the issue at hand is whether or not women deserve the chance to be actively involved within the democratic process, and to what extent the patriachal system that we all secretely advocate, due to the simple presence of our int"Pness", allows the female of the species to prosper. I believe we may need to take the issue regarding Democracies success/failures to a completely new thread in order to show precisely how a Male-centric bureaucracy deals with threats to it's assertive dominance.
 

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Mrs. Polly is fine, I dislike the patriarchal connotations of just ''Polly''. That's how rich men used to adress their secretaries. I think you have a point, yes. I think that given that women constitute half of the human race approximately they should be the primary focus for freedom from subjugation but that once that is acheieved it would be a logical extension of the egalitarian feminist perspective to focus on the freedom of all sentient entities from the solar-phallic hegemony.
Huh, well that was fun.

I can see you are utterly unyielding in attitude and beliefs... yes, we're going to have such wonderful discussions, you obviously enjoy the intellectual challenge of defending this position, and likewise I'm going to enjoy attacking it. You're beliefs are of little personal relevance to me, if anything I support them, so I would suggest you not take it personally, but then where's the fun in that?
 

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OMG Juchitán! Thank you Waterstiller!
I've never been there and damnit, I should go sometime. Who wants to come with me? Um, kidding, but one can dream.
 

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OMG Juchitán! Thank you Waterstiller!
I've never been there and damnit, I should go sometime. Who wants to come with me? Um, kidding, but one can dream.
That's not a bad dream. My (near n dear) friend is adamant about going there to learn and immerse herself in their culture. Seems like it'd be an amazing experience.
 

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This is my problem with feminism. They're aren't seeking equality, they're seeking superiority.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I actually saw that exact same sentence ("dominance") in her post, and was going to say the exact same thing.... only with more sarcasm ("oh, I'm sorry. I thought feminists were for equal rights").


That second post was actually amusing. I'm gonna be honest, I thought Anthile might've been jumping the gun with the "troll" thing (despite his fantastic accuracy in the past), but I think he's right, now. As amusing as the response-post from Polly was (I literally laughed during it), I wouldn't even support your ideas if your actual intention was to mock the feminist movement by parody with this character.
 

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Our "feminist" newbie can only be one of two things:​

1) a troll, ala Facetious Persona, who is only seeking to provoke reactions by parroting the militant dogma put forth by your typical woman's rights professor; or​

2) an actual woman's rights professor.

Edit: Actually, after reading Cryptonia's post, I realize that there's a third possibility-someone who is satirizing the modern feminist movement. I agree with Cryptonia, though. If it is a satire, it's a little too forced to be funny.​
 

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I find her reference to snowqueen the most intriguing bit of this. Why would someone claim to know a member they don't actually know? I don't see the benefit of such actions.. unless she wanted to align herself with an established older (though certainly not old ;) member to make it appear she too was older (she said at one point she has many decades on one of our other members.. meanwhile, she has the hostility of a teenager. hmmmm :rolleyes:
 
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if theres one thing I can't stand its a militant feminist
 

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C'mon guys, don't feed the troll.
 
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is bating ok?
 

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*Sigh*
This thread has made me laugh, but inside I'm crying. It reminds me so much of how I used to get picked on in middle school it's scary.

Almost everyday at lunch for a few months, this group of kids would come up to me and ask me questions. The questions themselves were usually perfectly reasonable and "friendly", but I eventually figured out that they only asked them because they liked to laugh at how absurdly logical and well thought-out my responces were. I really didn't mind at first, but they wouldn't leave me alone when I asked, and they started to leverage their conversation topics just to make me look stupid in front of other people they would call over. It only ended because one day, I decided it was worth getting in trouble to hit one of them in the face. I gave him a bloody nose, and didn't get even get in trouble (my peer group all thought I was mentally unstable for the rest of the year though...).

To me, it's pretty obvious that this PollyIsAQueen (what does that even mean?:confused:) is a troll. I put great stock in at least considering each and every idea, but when ideas stop being ideas for their own sake, and start to be ideas only to provoke responces, blowing them off is not disrespectful.

I'm kind of new to the internet as a whole of course, but I think the best way to deal with this issue is to, when you (personally) see PollyIsAQueen's behavior as crossing from thoughtful discussion to trolling, use the ignore list or something. Don't discuss her(?) for 5 pages.

Reviewing this, I guess I sound kind of forceful, but that's not my intent. And someone actually said "please don't feed the troll" while I was typing this, but I wanted to elaborate anyway (I've been insecure about this for ages. I feel better now).
 

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I'm a little more optimistic. I think trolls are people who don't respect the community that's in front of them. They're also, usually, young adults trying to assert themselves in an anonymous way. It can be satisfying to outsmart strangers, but it's still childish (I used to pick on random people in the yahoo pool chatrooms when I was in junior high, so I can relate to this behavior). I'd like to think that there's a reason she created an account, and that if we give her a fair chance perhaps she'll find that she respects non-feministic ideas and grows as a person. If not, we can always ban her. Either way, I welcome her presence for the time being. :D
 
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