Help, I'm dying

[Sage]

Hah nothing like a plea for help from a dying man to get a persons attention. I actually do need a bit of help because I can't figure out which type i am.

I've taken numerous tests and i either get INTJ or INTP. I have also looked at both the personality profiles and they both give a somewhat accurate description of me. I know that the MBTI test isn't an exact science and it focuses a lot on a person telling the truth but I'd still like to know what i am. Therefore i will give a not so brief account about myself.

Ahem

I'm often speak my mind and am often considered insulting though i don't mean to be. I can be a bit antagonistic especially in a debate, if a person shows weakness or becomes defensive i will pounce on them and sometimes strip away the illusions they have about themselves. I believe that truly objective criticism is never a bad idea even if it can lead to upsetting someone. I dislike it when people don't speak their minds, i find little more annoying that a person who has a problem with me and won't speak up. I'm not a very social person and need a lot of time to myself. I'm also a bit emotionally repressed, when i was younger too many things happened to me at the same time and so i couldn't deal with it all and pushed it all away. I have been trying to rectify this.

I can be a little bit of a player, screwing around with peoples minds, presenting an image of myself thats not true then cataloging their reactions. This is something else that i am trying to change as i believe that i should be past it at this stage of my life. My mind often takes on a life of it's own and tends to never shut up or let me get some sleep. And finally after revealling all of this you'll probably never see me again as i hate to divulge so much about myself.

Wow that was long

 

[loveofreason]

I had a problem at first figuring out whether I was P of J, so spent time on fora for both types to see how I related to each.

I can't believe now that I ever entertained the thought I could be an INTJ.

So lurk here if you feel you've put yourself in the spotlight, and just observe the rest of us at our play. You should be able to figure out pretty quickly if you 'fit'.

(Also take a good look at all you can find on the subjects of Ti-Ne and Ni-Te... Ti and Ni are rather at odds. Do you have an unassailable conviction of knowing, or are you constantly questioning the veracity of everything, including your own thoughts?... but there are others here with more knowledge on the subject and I should leave explanations to them.)

Welcome... even if another Sage from Ireland has my suspicion circuits flashing.

 

[Anthile]

Yes, at first glance INTP and INTJ seem to be quite similar, but the differences are huge. It shouldn't take overlong to see whether you are J or P.

I think it's a good idea to visit forums of the types you think you are. It helped me a lot.
Due to our chameleon nature and the constant doubt, we are prone to question our type often.

Also, welcome to the Halls of Madness. May you find what you are looking for.


PS: Lor, do you think they try to clone them? Hmm.

 

[dwags222]

when i read your first post i could see all the things you said being true or potentially true of myself. i don't know if that helps though :-P

 

[sagewolf]

Hello Other-Sage. Hope watching us do... stuff... helps you figure out your J/P preference. It might help to observe the INTJs as well on their forum-- compare the two and see what you think. Just like Lor and Anthille said. Either way, you're welcome to join in here.

Welcome... even if another Sage from Ireland has my suspicion circuits flashing.

You're just jealous because it's a kick-ass name and you didn't think of it. Although being a sageWOLF is marginally more impressive than just being sage...

 

[Da Blob]

I used to be a "J", but I kept "Painting-myself-into a-corner" Making commitments I couldn't keep, making decisions and sticking with them (only to find out after the fact I had chosen the Wrong option) etc. and etc. I prefer "P"ness, It actually seems to be the more intelligent preference - at least I feel I am marginally more intelligent by maintaining a "P"'s attitude of multiple perspective on issues and trying to always have an alternative plan...

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

I prefer "P"ness, It actually seems to be the more intelligent preference - at least I feel I am marginally more intelligent by maintaining a "P"'s attitude of multiple perspective

though IQ or whatever may be the same, we gain more from various sources so will collect more knowledge. and flogging a dead horse instead of going out and finding another horse

 

[QSR]

I used to be a "J", but I kept "Painting-myself-into a-corner" Making commitments I couldn't keep, making decisions and sticking with them (only to find out after the fact I had chosen the Wrong option) etc. and etc. I prefer "P"ness, It actually seems to be the more intelligent preference - at least I feel I am marginally more intelligent by maintaining a "P"'s attitude of multiple perspective on issues and trying to always have an alternative plan...

Interesting.... according to MBTI theory, you're either one or the other. If you aren't sure which, then you might want to re-read the descriptions. INTP and INTJ behave and think in very different ways. The reason I know I'm a P is that I tend to think first and consider the actions later. Here's something that should describe to you why I'm a P and not a J: I am reluctant to even respond to this post because I don't feel like I've researched this topic thoroughly enough yet.

I would say the equilibrium state of INTP is paralysis. We are terribly reluctant to commit to anything. For instance I will think about attending something, put it into a little slot in my mind, and then make a decision about it 30 minutes before I have to be there.

Another thing that describes P-ness. I am constantly context-switching. I will work on one thing for a few minutes then go to another and another. I'm the opposite of a nose to the grindstone kind of person. I dunno if INTJs have this problem, but I suspect they don't. I think this is one reason why XNTP's make good entrepreneurs. They are able to juggle many things at once. Unfortunately the scattered nature of my own mind can be irritating. I wish it were a little "quieter." I think the people having sleep problems are experiencing this when they go to bed.

da Blob says he had trouble painting himself into a corner. If an INTP did this, he probably wouldn't care, or wouldn't allow it to happen in the first place. We're very good at thinking of time in concrete terms, remembering due dates, etc, and keeping it all in our heads. I've tried writing things down to remember them, but I find it's generally redundant. If something is due 3 weeks from now, chances are that I've already formulated a plan to address the issue. This can lead to depression, though, because future events will weigh on me in a nagging sort of way.

Anyway, I've found that one good tactic we can use to be more effective is to do some real planning, rather than just reacting to situations. We tend to plan things subconsciously and amorphously. I suggest trying to plan things up front with a pen and paper or notebook. Anything so that we can guide our decisions rather than just reacting to situations as they arise. Basically INTJ is able to make decisions based on a sort of internal sense of direction that we simply lack. The hardest thing for me is figuring out what direction to go in.

 

[Da Blob]

I am fairly certain of my transition, because it was a transformation of preferences. Although I do not doubt that some aspects of personality are 'hard-wired, the MBTI is a list of preferences, not actual behaviors...

My preferences for some things have changed slowly as I have gotten older...

 

[Melkor]

Welcome and all that...


Lets see...how about the classic test for Intp.

Read my signature....

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Because it squeaks under preassure?

 

[Da Blob]

Because it squeaks under preassure?

because it quoth "NEVERMORE"?

 

[Artifice Orisit]

How does a table "quoth"?

 

[Jesin]

Poe wrote on both.

 

[loveofreason]

Jesin wins the prize!

Why did Sage never return I wonder???

 

[Melkor]

Jesin has read Alice in wonderland, and liked it.



That, or his internet searching skills are divine.

 

[Parodyofme]

I'm not going to greet this guy if he ain't comin back. Not that he's not welcome here, we take all kinds... but if a member makes a post on a forum and no one is around to read it, did the tree really fall?